Author Topic: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Game Over)  (Read 96353 times)

Raikaria

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #450 on: April 07, 2013, 06:07:32 PM »
OK, I'm not even going to bother explaining how your inactivity and total lack of contribution makes your actions and timing of your vote look worse anymore. I don't expect you to agree anyway.

Anyway, mulling over, I think we need Zakeri gone to clear up about three threads, and he's frankly either scum or dead weight right now. From what I've seen lurky Zakeri is generally scum Zakeri anyway. It would make figureing out Shadoweh and Polaris' defense of Zakeri a lot easier.

##Vote: Zakeri

well if we no lynched then scum would get an extra nightkill, and that means a guaranteed town kill vs. a possible scum kill so it is always optimal for town to ensure that a lynch happens every day.

I had said several times I would have voted IHNN if I utterly had to. I even just said I was about to. With reasons explaining why I thought IHNN was still lynch-worth too. However, the key point is how you popped out of your lurk-hole.

also pesco I am afraid I cannot provide you with what you want from me, so there you have it :L Zak just seems town to me.

You also keep avoiding any questions on why Zakeri is town.


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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #451 on: April 07, 2013, 06:08:25 PM »
Note I am equally happy with voting Polaris at this point.

Oh, and forgot

##Unvote
## Vote Zakeri


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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #452 on: April 07, 2013, 06:08:45 PM »
Well I didn't see your post, so there you have it :derp:

And I didn't avoid the question, since I just answered it by saying that I couldn't answer it. That isn't avoiding it. Avoiding it would be "and why do I have to answer that question, huh???"

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #453 on: April 07, 2013, 06:10:29 PM »
Well you've been asked why IHNN over Zakeri as well, and why IHNN. Both times you didn't answer.

If you are lynching people over people for no reason, you're playing the wrong game.


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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #454 on: April 07, 2013, 06:11:42 PM »
Uh nobody asked me why IHNN over Zakeri, unless you want to show me. But IHNN was closer to lynch and Schezo told me to lynch IHNN `_`

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #455 on: April 07, 2013, 06:13:07 PM »
Hey Schezo! Tell Polaris to vote himself pls.

Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #456 on: April 07, 2013, 06:14:32 PM »
>______>

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #457 on: April 07, 2013, 06:15:40 PM »
You claiming that you voted IHNN because someone told you really makes it clear that you have no intertest in finding scum.

Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #458 on: April 07, 2013, 06:19:06 PM »
That's true, I had absolutely no interest in finding scum between Zakeri or IHNN. I would have much preferred if we lynched Serela, but obviously that wasn't going to happen at the time! So I decided to consolidate! And it was IHNN who I decided to consolidate on! Can we move on now???

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #459 on: April 07, 2013, 06:21:39 PM »
My error, I asked Edibibl, not you. Still, it's implied giving reasons would have been pretty useful when I say multiple times that you gave no reasons, and should have at some point.

I never said it outright, admittedly, but it's still pretty heavily implied with the amount of times I mention you never gave any reasons at any time during D1.

So, as Pesco also implied, why did you not take Zakeri to L-1 to force him to claim and help us make a better decision? Why did you not contribute? Why did you only pop up at the perfect time, as Pesco says?

Yes, you wanted Serela dead, but you didn't exactly give much in the way of why there either! Nor did you push Serela, or do anything.


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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #460 on: April 07, 2013, 06:25:00 PM »
Because I couldn't care less about claims? I didn't see any reason for IHNN to claim, either.

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #461 on: April 07, 2013, 06:26:13 PM »
Well, claims are a double-edged sword, but they are another clue for the town, are they not?


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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #462 on: April 07, 2013, 06:29:09 PM »
You're asking for a whole lot when you give just fluff in persuading town to see your scum.

Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #463 on: April 07, 2013, 06:32:02 PM »
Ugh whatever, we can discuss claims postgame. Pesco and Raikaria are going into confirmation bias mode and I'm not going to waste my time arguing with them so I'm going to go take a break.

Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #464 on: April 07, 2013, 06:32:13 PM »
oh yeah, and let's lynch serela.

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #465 on: April 07, 2013, 06:35:04 PM »
Okay, so after one session of rereading that somehow felt like fumbling furniture around a new house, I agree that Zakeri looks scummy. He still hasn't produced any additional reasons for thinking Schezo is scum (and somehow the "I think Schezo pushed Raikaria for bad intents" degraded into "I disagree with everyone he said" overnight :\). The Schezo case now looks like "Ohey here's a good opportunity to pretend to scumhunt-- Oops I messed up better act committed." He's been turning to the NNR wagon for stuff to say a lot, and his ED2 post and vote was a tunnelvision on Pesco rather than analyzing the NNR wagon. #Vote Zakeri

As for the Dormio case, I'm not really convinced. His early D1 WAS subpar, but his IHNN vote was telegraphed, and his #386 is pretty solid and reasonable, so I think he's leaning town.

Gonna read Polaris next

EDIT: Is there any reason for you to vote Serela besides lurking and voting Affinity, Polaris? Because voting Affinity wasn't unjustified, he was lurking pretty hard and pretty much didn't contribute, and that was before he said he would replace out, so it's null for the most part imo.
[08:23 pm]  Aristocrat -- Raitaki on a scale of 1 to 10 your current mafia game play is annoying as fuck
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- Raitaki, if both of us ended up as mafia
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- I would be so angry
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- that I will snap and give into my rage

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #466 on: April 07, 2013, 06:37:42 PM »
Let's lynch Dormio instead.  Schezo agreed, don't bother him about it.

Pesco: Is an acceptable substitute to lynching Zak today getting him to claim?  This wagon's at L-1 and it hasn't even been 24 hours since the day started.

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #467 on: April 07, 2013, 06:38:20 PM »
wat
#Unvote
[08:23 pm]  Aristocrat -- Raitaki on a scale of 1 to 10 your current mafia game play is annoying as fuck
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- Raitaki, if both of us ended up as mafia
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- I would be so angry
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- that I will snap and give into my rage

Raitaki

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #468 on: April 07, 2013, 06:39:09 PM »
Since I'm running out of stuff to scumhunt by and my motivation bar runs empty every night phase
[08:23 pm]  Aristocrat -- Raitaki on a scale of 1 to 10 your current mafia game play is annoying as fuck
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- Raitaki, if both of us ended up as mafia
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- I would be so angry
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- that I will snap and give into my rage

Raikaria

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #469 on: April 07, 2013, 06:41:58 PM »
As you can see, Zakeri, the town is willing to put you at L-1 now.


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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #470 on: April 07, 2013, 06:46:30 PM »
Claims heavy scumread on Zakeri here but follows up with a vote on his much weaker-sounding IHNN logic two posts later.  Extremely sketchy.

I challenge anyone who is wavering on Dormio's scum status to attempt to find anything but scum motivation behind the above point, explained further by Schezo here.

This is an open and shut case, people.

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #471 on: April 07, 2013, 06:50:53 PM »
I challenge anyone who is wavering on Dormio's scum status to attempt to find anything but scum motivation behind the above point, explained further by Schezo here.

This is an open and shut case, people.

As much as I want to vote Dormio, I think we can get more down to the bottom of Shadoweh's D1 and Polaris in general by lynching Zakeri.

If the Zakeri lynch falls through, Dormio is a good lynch still, with solid reasons.


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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #472 on: April 07, 2013, 06:54:57 PM »
...Oh.
I'm assuming "scummy as hell" isn't some phrase Dormio casually throws around then?

#Vote Dormio (but ofc still perfectly happy to switch to Zakeri)
[08:23 pm]  Aristocrat -- Raitaki on a scale of 1 to 10 your current mafia game play is annoying as fuck
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- Raitaki, if both of us ended up as mafia
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- I would be so angry
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- that I will snap and give into my rage

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #473 on: April 07, 2013, 06:58:00 PM »
Pesco: Is an acceptable substitute to lynching Zak today getting him to claim?  This wagon's at L-1 and it hasn't even been 24 hours since the day started.

No because his claim is too stale now.

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #474 on: April 07, 2013, 07:12:04 PM »
Sooo after rereading Polaris, all I saw was some tiiiiiny nidbits on Serela, the IHNN thing LD1, and a lot of fluff. He's barely contributing at all and doesn't have any specific opinions, but nothing really stands out as scum, as I don't think scum would really want to actively lurk with that overwhelming level of uselessness. Pegging him as null now, no interest in lynching.

gosh if Dormio and Polaris both flip scum I'm going to get lynched so hard
[08:23 pm]  Aristocrat -- Raitaki on a scale of 1 to 10 your current mafia game play is annoying as fuck
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- Raitaki, if both of us ended up as mafia
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- I would be so angry
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- that I will snap and give into my rage

Raitaki

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #475 on: April 07, 2013, 07:19:22 PM »
Wait how the hell did I trick myself into thinking there was a case against Polaris
[08:23 pm]  Aristocrat -- Raitaki on a scale of 1 to 10 your current mafia game play is annoying as fuck
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- Raitaki, if both of us ended up as mafia
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- I would be so angry
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- that I will snap and give into my rage

Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #476 on: April 07, 2013, 08:17:35 PM »
Yeah, I handled the claim situation yesterday super poorly. I'm not sure what I could have done to change it, though.

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Eugh. Zak - capitalizing on NNR taking a break after he submitted to "your fault" deserves scrutiny but I don't think it's something I haven't seen before. Considering this is your only point, what about the rest of Pesco's play? Why is Edible less scummy for tagging along and why is he "definitely" not scum if Pesco is? Why did you focus on the NNR wagon and not the IHNN wagon (at all) when the same people ended up on it / for it anyway? Do you think it was town-motivated or not?
The rest of Pesco's play is just pushing for my lynch, which I commented on as much as I could yesterday. They way he gets a read on me is weird, but it's Pesco Flavor-weird, so it's a nulltell.

As for the logic, it's just a gut feeling from how Edible was more passive than pesco but more active than IHNN (Who yesterday I also thought was scum for the same reason). It's also the fact that I seriously doubt the scum would try to doubleteam somebody in such a way.
The reason I feel like most of the scumteam are lurking is because everyone that was Nameless's wagon were town. They were either on my wagon or flaffing about at the end of the day.

Dormio's case on me looks blah. It's just all "I think this feels fake." Which is a bad point in general because even as scum I try to put more emphasis on going with my genuine reads since those are easier to explain.
I was against Schezo yesterday because he looked like he was trying to take a lynch out on somebody who wasn't scum for reasons that are too easy to push on newbies. I know Raikaria isn't exactly a newbie, but that case wasn't one that was looking for scum.

Quote from: Raikaria
1: Raitaki says he will hammer IHNN if need be. Polaris then shows up and votes IHNN for no apparent reason. Could be scum hopping on a townie lynch which a 'If I have to hammer...' was expressed. Of course, could be 'Last 10 mins' thing too, but worth pointing out. 
Looking at the last ten minutes of a wagon is pointless, since everyone is given equal reason to press the lynch onto a townie at that close to deadline- even people that were speaking up for their towniness beforehand.
Also, why did you back off of Dormio? I don't see the case on Edible (although I do get where you're coming from with it) but all dormio did was just substitute reasoning in later. It's a common thing for scum to give vague reads so they only have to explain them to appease people who catch that they're being vague.
I'll be willing to switch to Dormio lynch later in the day.

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If I hadn't been cut 17 times before the hammer told me to shutup I would have said not claiming until the next day is okay. It's the next day, and your starter kind of pretends that whole thing never happened,
I kind of want to pretend it didn't happen, to be honest.

Quote from: Pesco
Not liking how people are dodging the curvy laser that is Zak's scummyness.
I had four votes on me at the time this was posted (More than anybody else) And the reason I was being 'ignored' was because people were pressing their other scumreads.
Do you have a problem with people doing that?

Well, L-1, and I'm not going to be able to talk about Schezo at all today without claiming so here goes:
Once a night I can use my intuition to confirm a person's alignment. I can investigate anyone that isn't Dormio, Polaris, or Serela.
Last night I investigated Schezo, and he came back town.
The thing is without that confirmation, I'd probably be tearing into his vote on IHNN, especially considering half of his reason for the switch involved using scumflips that he didn't have in order to justify jumping off of my wagon.

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #477 on: April 07, 2013, 08:21:33 PM »
Once a night I can use my intuition to confirm a person's alignment. I can investigate anyone that isn't Dormio, Polaris, or Serela.
Last night I investigated Schezo, and he came back town.
The thing is without that confirmation, I'd probably be tearing into his vote on IHNN, especially considering half of his reason for the switch involved using scumflips that he didn't have in order to justify jumping off of my wagon.

Massive facepalm at copping the obvtown ;_;

Wait.  You -specifically- can't copy Dormio/Polaris/Serela?  That seems random.

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #478 on: April 07, 2013, 08:22:21 PM »
Re: Whatever Bledibleh is saying about me voting for IHNN over Zakeri.
So? I can't find more than one person to be scummy at the same time?

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #479 on: April 07, 2013, 08:22:52 PM »
I guess Raymoo hates the Moriya shrine?