Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Game Over)

[Pesco]

Lynch Zak and clear up this farce then.

[Raikaria]

Maybe later, there are still some loose ends I need to tie in my head before I decide exactly what I want.

As I explained before, Dormio and Edibibl acted in ways I find suspicious, Zakeri we've gone over many times, and there's also the issue of Polaris jumping out of his lurk hole shortly after Raitaki showed up and said 'If someone puts him at L-1 I'll hammer', with no reasons at all. Not to mention the usual lurking.

Speaking of, what do you [The town in general. Not just Tewi] think about my theories on Dormio and Edibibl? I would like the rest of the town's feedback, in case I missed something, both that would make the case stronger, or something I missed that blows it apart.

[Schezo]

##Vote: Dormio

Claims heavy scumread on Zakeri here but follows up with a vote on his much weaker-sounding IHNN logic two posts later.

This is probably the most damning thing ever.  Because at the time of his vote

Serela (2): Raitaki, Polaris
Raikaria (3): BT, Dormio, Affinity
I have no name (3): Shadoweh, Edible, Zakeri
Zakeri (5): Pesco, Schezo, Raikaria, Serela, IHNN (L-2)
Not Voting (0)

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 votes to reach a majority.
Just under 4 hours left until the end of Day 1

He was still voteparking Raikaria until the utter last second of the day and made IHNN both a viable alternate wagon and potentially saved Zakeri scum but either way I want Dormio gone before Zach even if I'm fine with them both dying.  Though if one is town it's probably Zakeri because his day 2 case on Zach doesn't take into account we had already gotten past Zakeri's early day 1 case and why is was lame but Dormio makes these stale points the bulk of his case when a lot more legitamite and better points could come from his behavior at the end of the day.  Which is HUH not mentioned at all?  Not a genuine case as the other better points like the voteparking could have been made but nosireebob.

Raikaria is gay for backing off Dormio after his big case which consisted of quoting Edible.  but not as gay as me  He also doesn't bring up how bad Dormio's Zach case is when he decides to push Dormio scum anyway so this is the stuff I'm coming back to when Dormio flips scum.
"I am taking lessons from Pesco."scumslip omg

I did like Polaris's opening day 2 case but if that's going to be all haha let's get him tomorrow.

[Polaris]

Why the heck are people pressing me for getting the lynch through at ten minutes to deadline >_> It's a null action and you can't call me scummy for it. Choose something else to nitpick.

Personally I don't see how Serela and Edible are "the similar kind of scummy" at all so I dunno what you want from me Pesco? I'm sorry that I don't have the same opinions as you do, gosh.

Serela hasn't done anything new so far (and no, going back to Zakeri is not anything new) and we're all still waiting on Affinity's replacement, so give me some time to look at other things. I want to look at Raikaria's other scum game and also reread everyone who I said was null.

[Raitaki]

@Raikaria: About Edible's #176 which you quoted, while Edible did say he agreed with Shadoweh's points against IHNN, he also added thoughts of his own. And I'm pretty sure hypocrisy (which Edible didn't really commit) isn't a scumtell, at least until someone just keeps going to town with it; I've seen quite some townies who fall into it, accidentally or otherwise. You're right about the scarce amount of content though. But that doesn't make Edible more likely to flip scum than any other active D1 lurker. The same goes for Dormio I guess, but to a less extent since he cited even fewer reasons. Haven't paid much attention to him, will reread.

You've been flopping between quite a few people today, Raikaria. Are you only putting pressure, or do you have a real scumread on any of them?

Meh I guess I'll just make multiple small posts instead of big ones as they hurt my mental coherence...

[Raikaria]

You've been flopping between quite a few people today, Raikaria. Are you only putting pressure, or do you have a real scumread on any of them?

I've been following up my scumreads, by applying pressure. Unlike everyone else so far today, I'm actually searching for more information, and pressing people. More info on the table, the better.

Raikaria is gay for backing off Dormio after his big case which consisted of quoting Edible.  but not as gay as me  He also doesn't bring up how bad Dormio's Zach case is when he decides to push Dormio scum anyway so this is the stuff I'm coming back to when Dormio flips scum.
"I am taking lessons from Pesco."scumslip omg

I was focused on the suspicious activity I've noted, rather than repeating what other people have said. Get more information, and establish more patterns. I've not backed down. I even outright stated I'm not happy with Dormio still, and said multiple times I am mulling between four people, Dormio being one of them.

Why the heck are people pressing me for getting the lynch through at ten minutes to deadline >_> It's a null action and you can't call me scummy for it. Choose something else to nitpick.

Not when you've been non-existent and happen to pop up at that time. If it was someone who was actually contributing at that time, it would be null.

[Polaris]

oh yeah I forgot to mention this

Events happening at the time in general. You and Zakeri just became more important lynches. You for lack of contribution, and Zakeri for the same point, as well as a couple of things in your behaviors throughout the game as well that I found odd.

do you have any specific reason for dropping serela y/n
like, you showed how zak and I were scummy, but that doesn't explain why serela became less scummy.

[Raikaria]

oh yeah I forgot to mention this

do you have any specific reason for dropping serela y/n
like, you showed how zak and I were scummy, but that doesn't explain why serela became less scummy.

Serela didn't become less scummy.

You and Zakeri became more scummy.

[Pesco]

Not liking how people are dodging the curvy laser that is Zak's scummyness.

Schezo: sure Dormio can be scum, but why is Zak town for it? You've said yourself that giving town clears freely is bad, so why do you clear Zak as town based on an unflipped Dormio?

Polaris: I want you to explain why Edible isn't scum, why is Serela scum other than lolmeta and why you are adamant Zak is town.

[Raitaki]

@Raikaria: Speaking of which, what do you think of Serela now? She just sort of dropped from your radar, it seems.

[Raikaria]

@Raikaria: Speaking of which, what do you think of Serela now? She just sort of dropped from your radar, it seems.

Serela has gone from being 'You look the scummiest in the town because no-one else has really done anything fishy yet', to 'Meh'. Simply because Serela hasn't done anything else that looks particularly scummy, or particularly town, while other things have come up that look like worse scumslips. Serela is just a big ball of 'meh' right now. About 5th or 6th lynch priority.

And as paranoid as I can be, I'm not going to suspect 3/4rs of the town at the exact same time. I'm fairly certain where at least one scum is [The 4 primary suspects in my mind], and if Zakeri is scum that likely means Shadoweh is scum due to the heavy defending and shielding D1, and you might also be worth suspicion at that point, for reasons pointed out by others.

[Kilgamayan]

Prayer of Confession

Pesco (1): Zakeri
Dormio (2): Edible, Schezo
Serela (2): Polaris, BT
Zakeri (4): Dormio, Pesco, Shadoweh, Serela
Edibl (1): Raikaria

Not voting (2): Raitaki, Lecithul

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are 55 hours left in the day.

Mod request: Please do not use "gay" as a pejorative. Using it on Day 1 in reference to NNR I deemed okay at the time as I figured it was a joking reference to his HW "imitation" from the previous game, but I don't want it used in a serious capacity in reference to any player.

[Polaris]

Serela didn't become less scummy.

You and Zakeri became more scummy.

You changed your vote in response to Serela's post and not to either of our posts.
I mean, serela becoming less scummy is literally the same thing as us becoming more scummy, so w/e

Like I said, Serela has never had any strong opinions this game `_` I would like Serela himself to address my lurking accusation
I still don't understand how me explaining the nonscumminess of Edible is going to get us anywhere. I'm not even really sure how to explain the absence of scumminess in a person's posts?
I don't think I've been "adamant" that Zak is town either :wat: I just personally think Zak is cool beans.

replying to people distracted me, now I forgot what I wanted to do >_>

[Pesco]

There's no such thing as cool beans. Either he's town or scum. Or gay. (Kilga can't touch this because it's true :V)

[Polaris]

Not when you've been non-existent and happen to pop up at that time. If it was someone who was actually contributing at that time, it would be null.

I do not understand. Feel free to explain further.

Pesco i don't really think i have any evidence-related reasons for it but i doubt you'll let me off with that so i'll try to figure something out

[Pesco]

If there's no evidence then we can just flip you or Zak to create evidence. Pretty clear which order I want to see it happen in.

[Raikaria]

I don't think it's rocket science.

You lurk all of D1

You happen to pop up in time to lynch IHNN.

I'll draw more parallels to ActionDan last game. Lurked all of D1, popped up in time to hammer. Was scum.

[Polaris]

and why wouldn't town pop up in time to lynch IHNN?

[Raikaria]

Why wouldn't scum? Especially since he flipped town?

Your D1 is almost identical to ActionDan's last game, without the blatantly anti-town confusing babble and cooperativeness [Although you're being un-co-operative now]

The similarities are pretty extreme. It was even IHNN who got lynched! I'm getting such a feeling of Deja Vu.

[Polaris]

You're avoiding my question.

[Polaris]

I actually do have a reason why scum wouldn't lynch IHNN so I'd like to see the reason why town wouldn't.

[Pesco]

Town would have contributed long before only coming in at a convenient time. Even in my explanation of what it would take to get Zak to L-1, I had already discarded the possibility of you being helpful to the lynch.

[Schezo]

Noted mr mod.

The point I'm making Pesco is that Dormio's case is ml levels bad so if there's a chance Zach is town it's because of Dormio's bad case.  This isn't to say I think he's town now as he's #2 choice right now but I want Dormio gone first anyways.

[Pesco]

What's ml levels of bad supposed to mean?

[Raikaria]

You're avoiding my question.

It's not avoiding your question. Your question is invalid. How does saying why town would not pop up when the exact same logic applies to scum?

Which, when combined with the rest of your actions [And lack of them], and what happened last game...

I see absolutely no reason to answer your question. It's a distraction. Still, I will.

Now, if you were a townie, you would have either actually given a reason why you were at all willing to lynch IHNNat some point, or tried to make as counter-wagon. You just lurked and said irrelevant or unhelpful stuff, then popped up in time to lynch.

For example if I had voted, I had said several times I wasn't happy with IHNN, I just disliked Zakeri more. I had explained myself earlier. It would have been clearly simply for consolidation. In fact, I was writing up such a post, but was cut by the hammer. That is worlds apart from lurking all day and popping up just in time for the lynch, with 0 reasons and 0 effort to counterwagon.

Town would have contributed long before only coming in at a convenient time. Even in my explanation of what it would take to get Zak to L-1, I had already discarded the possibility of you being helpful to the lynch.

Cut by Pesco :V

[Polaris]

If you wanted me to contribute something like "I don't care for either lynch and I would rather lynch Serela" then, well, I did say that before and I would just be repeating myself. If you wanted me to say "oh hey I'll consolidate if I have to" then I'm sorry I didn't say it? It's town's implicit duty to make the lynch happen, even more so for this particular game, but then scum can do the same thing while pretending to be town, therefore it is null.

[Polaris]

It's not avoiding your question. Your question is invalid. How does saying why town would not pop up when the exact same logic applies to scum?

Because my point is that it's something that both scum and town would do. Even if scum can do it, it won't defeat my point until you prove that town wouldn't do it. But town would (since I am town) so it is ultimately a null action.

[Pesco]

Nope town's duty is to lynch scum, not just make any lynch happen. Town lynches scum by not giving them any space to hide.

[Polaris]

well if we no lynched then scum would get an extra nightkill, and that means a guaranteed town kill vs. a possible scum kill so it is always optimal for town to ensure that a lynch happens every day.

[Polaris]

also pesco I am afraid I cannot provide you with what you want from me, so there you have it :L Zak just seems town to me.