Author Topic: Ten Desires Mafia - Game Over  (Read 91933 times)

Kiva-la

  • Kiva-la
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #330 on: August 17, 2012, 10:01:48 PM »
The 'meta' that calling for a NL D1 is bad. The meta the defending the newb is bad.
YoSHIka tHInk NoT lyncH First day aLso BAd!
TowN Only weaPOn lYncH! WhY GiVE up tOwn weaPON?
DeFEnDIng bad pLaYer AlSO goOd For scum SinCe KnoW TOwn aND gET cReD!

Kiva-la

  • Kiva-la
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #331 on: August 17, 2012, 10:02:31 PM »
If my reasons are taken as excuses then so be it.  It's also kind of hard to make cases D1, especially on those with little to their names.
CaSE DaY fiRST EaSY!
EVen yoshIkA do IT anD YoshiKA noT BraIN!

Kabuto

  • Kabuto
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #332 on: August 17, 2012, 10:03:26 PM »
My cute servant, just because I don't mention you doesn't mean I don't want to adore you so~
Impertinence.  Scum can try to hang on until the last second if there is a chance of them not dying during the day.  There is no tactical advantage in quickhammering day 1 anyway.

I have almost no experience playing as scum so I didn't know that.  At the time I was pretty much completely dead though.  Maybe not a tactical advantage as it puts the scum down a member early on, but it could carry a strategic advantage for the long term. (and puts an end to the discussion)

Kiva-la

  • Kiva-la
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #333 on: August 17, 2012, 10:11:57 PM »
I have almost no experience playing as scum so I didn't know that.  At the time I was pretty much completely dead though.  Maybe not a tactical advantage as it puts the scum down a member early on, but it could carry a strategic advantage for the long term. (and puts an end to the discussion)
YoshIKA thINk NyanNyan meAN ScUM LurKEr keEP luRK BecAUSE nOT LYncHED LurkING!

YoshIKA hUNgry...

Faiz

  • Faiz
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #334 on: August 17, 2012, 10:47:49 PM »
Quote from: Miyako Yoshika
YOSHika not HEart or BRAin bUT yoSHIka moRE unDErstand meaN ladY thiNKING AFter New PostINg!
BuT YoshiKA sTILl see NO caSe so ONly UndersTAnding noT likE!

Ok. I wasn't sure if it was this or that more people would understand your reasons for voting Kogasa.


Youmu trying to clear her Sanae vote as a mistake is ???, scum are capable of making mistakes also.

Nue's recent big post has a lot of :words: just to say that most people are town/null and she's good with sheeping on Youmu. Would like her to elaborate on what changed to make Youmu worse than Mamizou between these two posts, since most of her reasoning is about posts that were made before her Mamizou vote.

And as a super late comment about NL, we actually don't have a "free" one or whatever because of the even player number, since Kyouko will be exploding when D2 starts.

Kabuto

  • Kabuto
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #335 on: August 17, 2012, 11:01:30 PM »
Youmu trying to clear her Sanae vote as a mistake is ???, scum are capable of making mistakes also.
Did I ever say scum couldn't make mistakes?  The reverse is also true, town can make them as well.  So by that logic, does the make my Sanae vote null?  That's the 1 move I've made this game I wish I hadn't done (yes, this means I'm fine with having stuck on Yoshika for as long as I did.  At the time I thought her scum, though my reasoning was flawed I learned from it)

Ouja

  • Ouja
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #336 on: August 17, 2012, 11:13:15 PM »
I'm here again. Considering we're all sitting here waiting for Youmu's flip, I guess I should take the time to explore other possibilities.

Reimu's actions are really silly. From the early Day 1 gambit to her defensiveness to her overcautiousness in voting to stating the obvious about the VT claim looks a lot like she's only trying to look like she has town's best interests in mind without really knowing what town's best interests are. The "random lynching is bad" and the "it's ok if we lynch VT" insistences are especially stupid, because nobody implied that we were going to random lynch or that we were not going to lynch because of the VT claim, and thus make Reimu look helpful while not being helpful, i.e. active lurking, which is pretty scummy. I personally think newbtown is just as prone to active lurking as newbscum is, so I'm still a little ambivalent, but Reimu should still go under more scrutiny.

Also, the tone 'If for some reason you're town' makes it sound like you highly doubt Youmu being town in the first place.

Seiga already responded to this but I have to say "uh, duh". If anything this implies that you're not convinced Youmu is scum and are only halfheartedly voting her after being pressured to.

As for why I voted, when nothing developed a more solid reason, it's simply because no more solid reason has been made. The best reason to vote for anyone was still Youmu jumping on Sanae. As it is nearing the end of the period, and majority was almost reached, I decided to vote with who I currently felt was the most scummy. There is no rule that I cannot change my vote later if someone changes my mind, however, since between those two points, I have not got a better reason to vote anyone, I decided it was time to place my vote.

This specifically looks a lot more scum-motivated than town-motivated. "I'll vote this person because there's nobody better to vote" is implied more than "I think this person needs to be lynched for being scum".

Like I said, I'm fairly ambivalent because these sort of mistakes are common for newbies, but I'm not sure if I want to give Reimu a pass just for newbie mistake. Since I want to see Youmu lynched more than anything, I'll just hold off until later (i.e. after Youmu's lynch).

Thinking about Nue at the moment. Considering her blatant relations with Youmu (voting Yoshika and then voting Mamizou), does scum Youmu imply scum Nue, or does it imply that Nue cannot possibly be scum with Youmu? I should probably look at Nue alone without thinking about her relation to Youmu, so give me a moment to think about it.

Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #337 on: August 17, 2012, 11:32:51 PM »
It stopped being newbie mistakes a long time ago Sanae.

I'm actually really tempted to just swing this wagon onto Reimu.  I really want Youmu to die but Reimu's entire attitude and reaction towards killing Youmu almost seem worse to me.  Sanae just laid out some of the major points but I need someone else to confirm if they would lynch Reimu in 5 hours with me.

W

  • Heat Joker
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #338 on: August 17, 2012, 11:34:22 PM »
Sanae:There's a reason I'm saving my Nue reread until D2 :V It's just affected too much by Youmu, who is going to die.

And Seiga, yes, I do totally think Youmu is gonna flip scum :c As my case about her and stuff implies.

Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #339 on: August 17, 2012, 11:34:53 PM »
>V-V-Votecount!
Konpaku Youmu (6): Kirisame Marisa, Kaku Seiga, Kochiya Sanae, Toyosatomimi no Miko, Kasodani Kyouko, Hakurei Reimu
Futatsuiwa Mamizou (2): Houjuu Nue, Konpaku Youmu
Tatara Kogasa (2): Miyako Yoshika, Saigyouji Yuyuko
Hakurei Reimu (1): Futatsuiwa Mamizou
Houjuu Nue (1): Mononobe no Futo,
Not Voting: Soga no Toziko, Tatara Kogasa
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. You have 5 hours left in the day!

Youmu is at L-2!

Kabuto

  • Kabuto
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #340 on: August 17, 2012, 11:39:57 PM »
Sanae, does town!Youmu imply town Nue, or does it imply we can't be town together?  Or can neither of those be determined?

I'm obviously willing to switch to Reimu to survive, I doubt enough others will though.

Kogasa: a lot of time you'll be convinced someone is scum and then it turns out they aren't.  Omba from last game is a good example, he only evaded a lynch due to claiming a power role.  As I don't have that out, I have only my words, which clearly aren't sufficient to convince you otherwise.

Punch Hopper

  • Punch Hopper
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #341 on: August 17, 2012, 11:45:54 PM »
I need someone else to confirm if they would lynch Reimu in 5 hours with me.
Sure thing.

##Unvote
##Vote Reimu

Ouja

  • Ouja
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #342 on: August 17, 2012, 11:51:14 PM »
Sanae, does town!Youmu imply town Nue, or does it imply we can't be town together?  Or can neither of those be determined?

"Town together" is almost an oxymoron. :V
You flipping town doesn't imply anything about Nue's alignment. In that case I'd just have to look at Nue on her own.

I'm against switching to a Reimu lynch if only because, from what I understand about her timezone, she's likely asleep by this point and won't have a chance to claim.

Ouja

  • Ouja
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #343 on: August 17, 2012, 11:54:18 PM »
In regards to Nue, I'll agree with Marisa about Nue's post-reread big post about it being pointlessly big. I don't see why Nue felt the need to indicate that Miko/Seiga/the likes weren't scum, since it changes virtually nothing. Also agreeing with Marisa about Nue's change in views between her post where she votes Mamizou and the post after her reread?in the former she indicates Mamizou is scummier than Youmu, but in the latter she says she would vote Youmu over Mamizou. Nothing really happened on the Mamizou and Youmu fronts except for more people putting their votes on Youmu, which makes Nue look more like she's bandwagoning.

Kabuto

  • Kabuto
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #344 on: August 17, 2012, 11:56:33 PM »
Sanae, what about the other way around, should Nue die before me for whatever reason?

I looked back in the thread, yesterday she left at around 2.5 hours ago and got back 4 hours after deadline would be.

Kabuto

  • Kabuto
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #345 on: August 18, 2012, 12:02:53 AM »
She referring to Reimu of course.
Suppose I might as well back up my words with a vote, not like it's likely to change anything.

##Unvote
##Vote Reimu


...the irony of my last vote matching my first vote is not lost on me.

Ouja

  • Ouja
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #346 on: August 18, 2012, 12:07:38 AM »
I don't understand the point of the question ???

In any case, if one of you and Nue flips town, that doesn't necessarily say anything about the other's alignment. It's only when one of you flips scum does the relationship become something to consider.

Ouja

  • Ouja
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #347 on: August 18, 2012, 12:09:42 AM »
For whatever reason the smiley isn't working which makes me sad because it's an accurate representation of me going "???".

Sasword

  • Sasword
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #348 on: August 18, 2012, 12:16:06 AM »
YAPON~!

How many of these five new pages are Yoshika? I'm going to guess alot. Interesting that everyone on this wagon is a townread for me, save Marisa Lurksame. Despite that, the lack of hurry for any sort of counter makes me discouraged at a guilty result. Why are there two blank unvotes? I supose I'll try to reread and post before the day is over.

Kick Hopper

  • Kick Hopper
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #349 on: August 18, 2012, 12:24:17 AM »
I'm against switching to a Reimu lynch if only because, from what I understand about her timezone, she's likely asleep by this point and won't have a chance to claim.

gdi =/

Punch Hopper

  • Punch Hopper
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #350 on: August 18, 2012, 12:59:16 AM »
So how about we just run Reimu up instead of talking about why we're chickening out of it?
It's not like claims are this magical thing required for a lynch. They can help decide whom to lynch. But we can very well lynch someone without a claim, too.
And who knows. Maybe she'll magical appear if we get her to L-1.
Please to be voting Reimu.

Decade

  • Decade
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #351 on: August 18, 2012, 01:06:03 AM »
@Marisa, Sanae: Yesterday when I voted Mamizou I was doing other stuff, and so I didn't read the thread too closely. I just happened to notice Mamizou keeping on pressing the Reimu vs Yuyuko case in an unrelated, non-contributive way, and recalled that she had been posting but never really produced real content, so I started on her. Today I did a proper reread and saw Youmu's scummy behaviours, so I decided to agree with the bandwagons. I usually just start a new reply and jot down things I notice while I read, so sorry for cramming my unnecessary town/null reads in there.

Sasword

  • Sasword
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #352 on: August 18, 2012, 01:11:36 AM »
Reimu is still a derp and Yoshika is actually getting clearer over time. They're both still town btw. Mamizou is approaching the same conclusion for me, but she's putting in alot less :effort:.

If anyone wants to run up Yuyuko you have my full support.

OOO

  • Taka! Kujaku! Condor!
  • TaJaDor
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #353 on: August 18, 2012, 01:16:51 AM »
just got here, will try to reread before end of day
right now i prefer a reimu wagon to youmu though. not feeling scum!youmu from her latest posts. feels more like flailtown.
##unvote
##vote reimu

this is reimu's self-stated reasoning for voting youmu
reimu says her main reason for voting youmu was his weak vote on sanae, but youmu's since dropped the vote and apologized for it, moving on to another suspect. (fmpov it looks like he just saw a point i made and rolled with it thinking it was slam dunk without really thinking it through.) so reimu's vote on youmu has no basis now beyond blatant sheeping; looks more like scum bandwagoning than whatever the fuck youmu's doing right now.
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I feel others, such as Miko and Sanae, covered this issue enough, and I didn't bring it up since Yoshika was pushing on me, so at the time, I was suspecting her naturally.
this is golden because you can claim anything you want and say "oh i thought this too but i didn't want to bring it up" when there's no evidence of that in the thread.

willing to run up nue for basically the same thing
Today I did a proper reread and saw Youmu's scummy behaviours, so I decided to agree with the bandwagons.
xfd

cut by kyouko. the day people realize that being a derp doesnt make you town i will be a happy camper. unfortunately that probably means i will die sad and alone.

W

  • Heat Joker
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #354 on: August 18, 2012, 01:18:24 AM »
Derp doesn't = town but there's ways to tell whether the derp is actually town or not, too >_>

W

  • Heat Joker
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #355 on: August 18, 2012, 01:19:25 AM »
I feel bad because now people are looking at nue and bringing up things I wanted to say myself :c I guess it's my fault for wanting to be lazy and wait until tomorrow. Whatever.

OOO

  • Taka! Kujaku! Condor!
  • TaJaDor
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #356 on: August 18, 2012, 01:19:46 AM »
oh ofc. but i haven't seen anyone give a convincing case for why reimu's derping is town. from what i see people are just going oh this guy is a derpnewbie oh he's town.

if you guys want to call it gut then just say it stop pretending it's any more than that.

OOO

  • Taka! Kujaku! Condor!
  • TaJaDor
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #357 on: August 18, 2012, 01:22:03 AM »
Right now I'd rather see Youmu lynched above everyone else, but I'd rather wait some time for all the lurkers/inactives to posts something instead of ending day early, so I'll vote Youmu later.
some of the lurkers/inactives have posted; do you have anything to say about them?

OOO

  • Taka! Kujaku! Condor!
  • TaJaDor
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #358 on: August 18, 2012, 01:41:17 AM »
dinner calls. i have one question to ask though because i saw something interesting.
I feel like I'm berating a dying animal and it makes me feel mean :c
kogasa, do you think youmu is scum?

OOO

  • Taka! Kujaku! Condor!
  • TaJaDor
Re: Ten Desires Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #359 on: August 18, 2012, 01:41:59 AM »
pedit: rather, if you think youmu is scum why do you care?