Ten Desires Mafia - Game Over

[Ryuki]

Cut by Reimu continuing to be silly :V I have no words.

I fail to see how I'm being silly. I'm being ambiguous, because I don't want to softclaim anything.

As it was, we were going around and around in rings. If we did not spark something, we would have all voted randomly and used our No Lynch.

Someone had to do something, so I laid a trap. Knowing we only had one No Lynch, I suggested I thought it was a good idea, looking for someone to jump on this as a reason to lynch, looking for the hastiest person to lynch someone, especially someone attempting to organize the town in one direction. A ripe choice for the scum, the one attempting to guide everyone to a unified decision.

Saigyouji Yuyuko took the bait. This doesn't prove she's scum, but it's more to go on than everyone else has given me at this point, just like my trap has probably given people reason to suspect me.

That is my logic. While it may not be the best plan in the entire world, it's a plan, which is more than most people have presented. I'm attempting to get the ball rolling, if you don't like the direction, just bounce it back. I never said 'Let's NL everyone!' I said that I was leaning towards the NL option because we had no evidence.

Or, you know, jump on the bait I set so we do have something to go on.

TL;DR: I just wanted to get the town focusing on one committed direction, so we don't just random lynch everywhere and achieve nothing except wasting our NL due to split votes randomly cast. I did this with a trap.

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The way I see it was now have several options:

Lynch me for suggesting NL to get the ball rolling.
Lynch Yuyuko for jumping on my bait
Lynch a lurker [We'd need to wait and see who's actually lurking to do this, timezones]
NL, which, as most people have said, is a bad idea. Unless we get some nightmare senario overnight which leaves us at D2 MYLO or LYLO or even losedue to some joint win scenario.
Keep waiting and seeing.

[W]

Okay, I'll explain my thought process here  :3

If Reimu sincerely thinks NL is a good idea, it's entirely reasonable for her to suggest it as either alignment. If she already knows it's a bad idea, she's not going to suggest it as town... and being scum isn't going to make her go "I should suggest this bad idea!  :]" because she knows it's bad and that it won't help her to suggest it.

At worst (In terms of town/scum reading from the action) it shows she's a liability, more reasonably it's what Soga said, and at best it shows... still completely null, and it's not any more likely she's scum then someone else.

tl;dr your vote is for "Bad idea that isn't any more likely to come from scum then town", which means it pretty much isn't scumhunting.

Hooray overanalysis!

Cut by wait are we suggesting lurker lynches now? :V In the duration of 48 hours it's not even possible to properly tell who's actively trying to lurk from someone who hasn't managed to get time for posting and/or hasn't come up with anything decent to say because :barely into d1:. We don't need to resort to stereotyping/policy/whatever to make a d1 lynch. All we need to do is decide who we currently think is scummiest and vote on that >_> It works itself out. Granted it'll be influenced by consolidation for the sake of being short on time, but, whatever.

And cut by... it'd take way too long to explain everything silly here >_< I'll just go with the quick version and say your list of choices we could do is "Thinking too far ahead", and you might be trying a little too hard. Heh.

[Kick Hopper]

@Reimu
So you layed a trap by making a reason for you to get polciy lynched in hopes of catching scum?

[Ryuki]

@Reimu
So you layed a trap by making a reason for you to get polciy lynched in hopes of catching scum?

The gist of it, although I didn't expect it to be a PL, just someone jumping on me.

As I said, Batman Gambit.

[Den-O]

Miss Reimu, now would be a good time for me to advise that you read some archived games. Running around in circles leads to a lynch sooner or later. Have patience.

Oh, and I disagree with having town focus on 'one comitted direction'. Consolidation is nice, but diversity is nice too.

[Punch Hopper]

Kogasa: You do realize there -is- scum benefit in making the NL suggestion even if you already know it won't happen, right?
And no, we saw last game how wonderful lynching without giving any clears worked on D1. If we happen to have a blatant lurker towards the end of the day, I'd be all for lynching him.

[Den-O]

If we are going to lynch lurkers, it would be on D1, yes.

[Ryuki]

Miss Reimu, now would be a good time for me to advise that you read some archived games. Running around in circles leads to a lynch sooner or later. Have patience.

Oh, and I disagree with having town focus on 'one comitted direction'. Consolidation is nice, but diversity is nice too.

Hmm, maybe it's just my impatience getting the better of me. After all, I can get back to sleep once this is all done.

I'll try to calm down and bide my time more in the future.

[Kick Hopper]

The gist of it, although I didn't expect it to be a PL, just someone jumping on me.

As I said, Batman Gambit.

So you would have voted anyone for any reason if they jumped on your bait?

[Ryuki]

So you would have voted anyone for any reason if they jumped on your bait?

Better reason than no reason, is it not?

[W]

@Reimu
So you layed a trap by making a reason for you to get polciy lynched in hopes of catching scum?

*Facedesk*

If someone actually got policy lynched for suspecting that I'd have to start hitting people with my umbrella. Implying she did something that carried risk of getting her policy lynched is a little melodramatic.

Yuyuko:No, I don't realize.  :ohdear: Maybe if there was one or two people who might actually go for it (even though it didn't actually happen), but there isn't.

As for the matter of lurkers, D1 going-after-lurkers is too situational of a topic for me to address, as there's no blanket answer there. Moving on.

Mamizou now you're just being weird. >_> You're asking somewhat-loaded (but mostly silly) questions at this point.

[W]

I think the matter of dealing with lurkers is handled weirdly a lot here.

The truth of the matter is it's generally not a policy lynch when we lynch a lurker, because they usually actually look, y'know, scummy, for some explainable reason. It's not just "this person is lurky so #vote". Rather then saying "If there's a lurker we should lynch it!" we should just leave the matter to when something like that actually, uhm, happens. Anything else is just getting ahead of ourselves, which isn't useful.

[Decade]

And why would you think other players would join you and vote that same player?

Getting a reason to vote someone is still pretty far from convincing people to vote the same person.

Also, wanting to have a policy lynch isn't an exclusively scummy trait. Especially if the lynch is unlikely to follow through.

-cut-

[Kick Hopper]

Because apparently i see silly people making silly votes. Both reimus vote and yuyuko vote just seem incredibly weird.

Reimus vote has no indication of wanting to lynch scum at all

Yuyukos vote is just an excuse to not scum hunt, id rather save policy lynchs for later in the day. If this continues id lynch it

[Punch Hopper]

Better reason than no reason, is it not?

Shows more concern with justifying her vote than doing something useful with it.

Kogasa: Leaving last game aside, we have a long going meta of giving out clears for bad play. That and as shown above, it gives her a reason to vote someone so she doesn't look like she's doing nothing.

Not contributing is scummy. Lurking means not contributing. Hence lurking is scummy unless the posts made say otherwise. Not the other way around.

[Kick Hopper]

My other post was directed at kogasa

[Ryuki]

Shows more concern with justifying her vote than doing something useful with it.

Well, the whole idea of my gambit was to try and reveal the scum.

Besides, better a vote with a reason behind it than virtually throwing a dice.

If you're seriously going to suspect me for attempting to find a reason before I lynch someone seriously, then you make no sense to me. Random Lynches tend to be very, very dangerous, and have a habit of backfiring horribly.

Yes, it shows concern about justifying my vote. Because if you want someone lynched you have to convince the other townies that who you want lynched is scum. It's the whole idea of the game. Showing concern about justifying your lynch is the name of the game.

[W]

Yuyuko:urg this is going in circles now. That's not what I'm saying. That in itself is a support of what I just said; if they're not contributing (e.g. rawr in that recent game) then it's totes scummy, for that reason. So basically we're agreeing, it's just that you're assigning it as a blanket trait of all lurkers. But, when it comes down to it, we uh, sorta agree? We just have different ways of thinking about it. But yeah not actually clearing, as I said earlier, that's taking what I said out of proportion. But yeah I guess we're about on understanding with eachother now?

Anyway I see where Mamizou is coming from now and it makes enough sense so alright (Even if I don't 100% agree, as in I still have no interest in lynching Reimu)

[Kick Hopper]

Showing concern about justifying your lynch is the name of the game.

I thought it was catching scum :T

[Ryuki]

I thought it was catching scum :T

You can't catch scum if you can't convince others someone is scum.

[Decade]

Convincing others wasn't part of your trap. You just baited votes and jump on the first person that bites.

[Ryuki]

Convincing others wasn't part of your trap. You just baited votes and jump on the first person that bites.

Because giving people an actual reason to vote someone isn't a better basis than randomly voting someone and saying 'Hey guys vote this guy my gut says so!'.

[Ouja]

Hi, I'm here. ##Unvote

I'm pretty sure nobody that we would be lynching randomly, Reimu, so I think you're being cautious about nothing here. None of our random votes were made in an attempt to actually lynch someone.

More in a bit.

[Kick Hopper]

@kogasa because im having a hard time understanding why reimu is voting yuyuko and reason she thinks of her as scum >.<

-cut-
enough
##unvote
##Vote: Reimu

[Kabuto]

>come back to 30 posts
>see virtually nothing was accomplished in them

I'd say it's better to have a natural (read: not gambit-forced) reason to vote someone that to gambit to get a target, which in turn is better than a random vote.

Reimu, aside from jumping on the NL what has Lady Yuyuko done that is scummy?
Yuyuko, is the concern for having a reason for Reimu a scummy thing?
Mamizou, is 'silly' equivalent to scummy here?  Between the 2, which would you rather lynch?

-3 cuts-
Mamizou, what's the difference between Reimu's silliness and Yuyuko's silliness?
Personally I see no reason to lynch either right now.

[Kiva-la]

Uuuuuuuu~...
YoshIkA thinK MEan LaDy aNd PRINcess lAdy both siLLy!
YoShiKA THInk mEna LAdy Be toO cAUtioUS and ToO much tIMe selF JUstificATion.

Lynch me for suggesting NL to get the ball rolling.
Lynch Yuyuko for jumping on my bait
Lynch a lurker [We'd need to wait and see who's actually lurking to do this, timezones]
NL, which, as most people have said, is a bad idea. Unless we get some nightmare senario overnight which leaves us at D2 MYLO or LYLO or even losedue to some joint win scenario.
Keep waiting and seeing.

YoSHIkA THINk thiS in parTIculaR StupID!
YOSHika nOT like forCE 1v1 attEMpt on FIrsT dAy!

YoshiKA comPLEtly SERIAL!
##Unvote, Vote Reimu Hakurei

[Ryuki]

Evidently people are not agreeing with my gambit, so I'll back off. I guess jumping on a reason to policy isn't enough. Youmu's speaking the most sense here.

##Unvote Saigyouji Yuyuko

[Kiva-la]

YOshiKa noT LIke lacK of CONvictION mOrE!
YoShIKa thINK MeAN laDY TOo not meAN!
MEaN ladY tOO much tiMe apPEasMEnt!

[W]

*Facedesk*

Would vote Yoshika.

Out of the reasons to vote Reimu, I think "trying to force 1v1" is one of the most ridiculous someone could do.

Actually, given that Yuyuko is one of the people I'd find most likely to be acting like this and also town

##Unvote Yuyuko
##Vote Yoshika

Yes, Reimu's list and entire plan are way overthought and based on some faulty logic.

I fail to see how she's actually scum.

IMO Yoshika is scum capitalizing on the growing wagon on the silly newbtown. The list is horrible, but I can't see any scum motivation for it at all. >_> I especially don't see scum trying to force themselves into a 1b1 d1 like you're saying Reimu is. Gotta leave right now so I'll be back later to talk more.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

>V-V-Votecount!
Hakurei Reimu (3): Saigyouji Yuyuko, Futatsuiwa Mamizou, Miyako Yoshika
Kochiya Sanae (3): Kasodani Kyouko, Kirisame Marisa, Toyosatomimi no Miko
Miyako Yoshika (2):  Soga no Toziko, Tatara Kogasa
Futatsuiwa Mamizou (1): Houjuu Nue
Soga no Toziko (1): Mononobe no Futo
Toyosatomimi no Miko (1): Kaku Seiga
Not Voting: Hakurei Reimu, Kochiya Sanae, Konpaku Youmu
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. You have ~31 hours left in the day