Ten Desires Mafia - Game Over

[W]

I realized I just gave two completely conflicting opinions on how I feel about Yoshika. Oh whatever I need to start rereading rather then bothering with stuff that really isn't all that important right now.

[Ryuki]

No more of this for the rest of the game. It's WIFOM-y and wrong to say the least.

I believe you should direct this at Yuyuko, and not me. Every argument she has made thus far is based on meta. I was simply using it against her to show how bad of an argument and reasoning she had for voting Kogasa, using her own source against her.

The 'meta' that calling for a NL D1 is bad. The meta the defending the newb is bad. That's all her arguments all game, no, more than that, virtually every post she has made, are based on, experience from prior games.

Now then, unless Yuyuko insists on using that as a basis for her arguments in the future, it's the last you'll hear about that topic from me.

[W]

I agree that Youmu's #131 looks like a hop onto the growing bandwagon on Yoshika. She calls it... trolling? And I don't see how "she keeps pushing" is scummy, at all, which is the only reason for the vote.

And then later.

The roleplaying comes off as kind of troll-y to me, and the content is the same point repeated over and over, almost as though she's trying to convince herself that Reimu's appeasement is scummy.

It shocks how this sounds almost exactly like the case I made on someone last time I was scum. "The roleplaying comes off as troll-y" <--- Troll =/= scum, someone's not going to actively adopt an annoying posting style just because they're scum, and the other reason is pretty damn reaching.

##Vote Yo-UHHHH actually with all the votes on her you can just pretend I'm voting her while I'm not actually doing so.

It doesn't help that as the Yoshika wagon goes down, she suddenly goes "Yoshika is better after reread, and oh, Miko/Marisa are lurking, so those are who I think are scum right now" (super lazy) followed by blatant sheep onto voting Sanae (No reasons are provided, just a general "I think her earlier posts are bad, and what you said means she needs to die #vote"). P.terrible.

I feel like I should stare holes into Nue, but I want Youmu's flip first before I reaally delve into her posts, for various indirect-but-completely-related interactions between the two. Yell at me if I don't actually do it tomorrow from being lazy or something.

Apart from Yoshika/Nue, I have zero interest in lynching anyone else who currently has a vote on them, and I want Youmu's flip before deciding more how I feel about either. Would be sunshine and happiness if Yuyuko was lynched, but I'm also totally happy with Youmu lynchings, so sunshine and happiness anyway! Hooray! I also think that Marisa is town and Youmu's Raw Potato claim is bs for :reasons:.

[Decade]

I also think that Marisa is town and Youmu's Raw Potato claim is bs for :reasons:.

Uh, why do you think Marisa is town? And what's your reason for refuting Youmu's claim?

[W]

But yeah, Yuyuko feels like she's still stuck in ED1, and her posts/cases/etc are about as :quality: as you'd expect her to be... if it was still ED1. :T

She'd have to be pretty darn fabulous D2 for me to change my mind on her at this point. Her d1 has been more lackluster then a soggy piece of notebook paper.

Nue:TBH I really probably should have just kept it to myself until later, because it'd be pretty bad for me to explain now, and Youmu's getting lynched anyway.

[Kabuto]

It shocks how this sounds almost exactly like the case I made on someone last time I was scum. "The roleplaying comes off as troll-y" <--- Troll =/= scum, someone's not going to actively adopt an annoying posting style just because they're scum, and the other reason is pretty damn reaching.
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Youmu's Raw Potato claim is bs for :reasons:.

So because you did something as scum if anyone else does it they're scum?  Sounds like a meta reason.
What might those reasons be?  I claimed vanilla then gave flavor after being prompted.  just because you don't believe what was in my role PM doesn't mean it's not what's actually there.

[Kabuto]

But yeah I can see there's no way I'm not getting lynched today because of 1 read that people don't like my explanation for and 1 half asleep post.

[W]

Youmu, don't get hung up over it. I have a ton of actual reasons I'm voting you. Or, well, pretend-voting you. It's like a little pebble on a hill.

So because you did something as scum if anyone else does it they're scum?  Sounds like a meta reason.

Way2misrep. The very next sentence is explaining why it's bad.

[Ryuki]

But yeah I can see there's no way I'm not getting lynched today because of 1 read that people don't like my explanation for and 1 half asleep post.

That and you're claiming nilla town, which is no massive loss over a possible PR.

[W]

Also, it's not one read. I think all your reads are bad :V

All your explanations on the Yoshika vote are terrible, you get off it as the wagon dies with "Well I reread her and I changed my mind" and your followup suspects are two people purely for the fact that they haven't posted much instead of any actual reasons, and then the vote you do along with them is 100% sheeping to someone's Sanae vote.

[Kabuto]

So you're all content to lynch me because I claimed vanilla town and not a power role.

Well, if I'm going down, might as well be as useful as possible.

Kogasa, why exactly don't you trust my claim?
I wasn't misrepping, even re-reading I see it the same way.

(Kogasa goes from 'null' to 'scum' here).
Mamizou has posted a lot, as I said.  BUT, there's not much in the posts.
I don't think you're reading the game, and would be voting me for being an easy vote if I wasn't already so close to being lynched.

That and you're claiming nilla town, which is no massive loss over a possible PR.

It's still town over possible scum.  Is that worth it to you?

I've explained myself fully, *MoTKTown* hates my reasons/refuses to change their mind, fine.  @everyone voting me/would be voting me, when I flip town how does that change your gameplan?

[Ryuki]

It's still town over possible scum.  Is that worth it to you?

I've explained myself fully, *MoTKTown* hates my reasons/refuses to change their mind, fine.  @everyone voting me/would be voting me, when I flip town how does that change your gameplan?

Well of course you wouldn't claim scum. Your actions have suggested that you are scum, and your claim means lynching you is also a low-risk situation.

So no, if you flip town, it doesn't change my plan, nor, I doubt, anyone else's plans, since I know it is the most sensible option available at this point. It's Day 1, going for a low-risk lynch on someone who acted very scummy seems logical.

If you flip mafia, brilliant. If you flip nilla town, we shrug and move on.

[Kabuto]

Also yeah as of right now I don't expect anyone to actually listen to me while I'm alive, but I know once I'm dead (and confirmed town!) my Last Ramblings will hopefully gives the town a leg up on D2.

If my previous post reads as angry at all it's only slightly due to the game, I got in a fight with my dad over something trivial that escalated into a huge blowup in a parking lot.

-cut-
I don't entirely see how my actions suggest I'm scum outside of the Sanae vote, which I've admitted was a mistake I made while half-asleep.

[Ryuki]

Kogasa's latest post explains it better than I could.

As I said at one point, however, you've also done some things which I read town. Which is why I was hesitant to place my vote on you.

[W]

Since I'm not doing anything else I suppose I can go ahead and keep talking; it keeps me busy. :3 Honestly though, it's practically going around in circles at this point.

So you're all content to lynch me because I claimed vanilla town and not a power role.

Stop acting like we're lynching you over your claim. You had a big wagon before claiming for a reason.

I wasn't misrepping, even re-reading I see it the same way.

Meta reasons made me take notice of it. I then proceeded to explain, in completely non-meta-related terms, what about it was actually scummy. If you still don't see it that way, :shrug:, there's just not really anything else to say about it. o_o It's pretty cut and dry.

It's still town over possible scum.  Is that worth it to you?

acting like you're confirmed town is silly, scum can and do claim VT p.easily

when I flip town how does that change your gameplan?

Analysis of D1 in light of new flips will go a little differently, that's about it

Anyway, I think I'll probably stop refreshing the mafia page for a while. I feel like I'm berating a dying animal and it makes me feel mean :c

[Kaku Seiga]

If for some reason you're town it means Reimu is probably scum for constantly justifying your death as "It's only a vanilla townie". 

So no, if you flip town, it doesn't change my plan, nor, I doubt, anyone else's plans, since I know it is the most sensible option available at this point. It's Day 1, going for a low-risk lynch on someone who acted very scummy seems logical.

This line is actually pretty terrible.

Kogasa, is Youmu going to flip scum or not?  I get from your post that you want her flip for what I assume you think she's flipping scum but there's no conviction.  Like you know she's going to flip town.

[Kabuto]

Sure, my lynch is low-risk, but it's also no-reward.
Lynching another would be higher risk, but also carry a higher reward.

All your explanations on the Yoshika vote are terrible, you get off it as the wagon dies with "Well I reread her and I changed my mind"

I did re-read her and change my mind-I will admit to having confirmation bias despite not having confirmation (which seems to be happening with me but whatever).
The timing was in the middle of the night and I really should have been sleeping, but I saw she wasn't getting lynched and knew my vote would be more useful elsewhere, so I put it somewhere where I thought it would be more useful.

acting like you're confirmed town is silly

To me I'm confirmed town.  Tomorrow, I will be to everyone else.  I've realized I can't convince anyone else of this now so as I said I'm trying to be as useful to everyone else.

-cut-
and it seems to be working  :V

[Ryuki]

If for some reason you're town it means Reimu is probably scum for constantly justifying your death as "It's only a vanilla townie".

I also justify it as she jumped on two bandwagons for no apparent reason, which is a massive scumtell.

In case you have not noticed, I voted long before she claimed blue. At this point, we have little better option, except maybe Yuyuko for her unfounded, IMO flawed meta-based voting, but I've already tried to get a Yuyu lynch and it's too late to try again, when half of the players probably won't even be awake to change their votes before the deadline.

Youmu claiming vanilla townie is just icing on the cake, meaning we're losing the least valuable town role possible if she indeed is town. I fail to see how stating that simple fact makes me scummy, when I voted long before the claim, and when it's relevant.

[Ryuki]

Also, the tone 'If for some reason you're town' makes it sound like you highly doubt Youmu being town in the first place.

[Kabuto]

I also justify it as she jumped on two bandwagons for no apparent reason, which is a massive scumtell.

Which 2?  Sanae was a mistake, so I'm assuming that's one of them, but who's the other?  Mamizou?  Neither of them were really bandwagons at the time. (Mine was the second vote)
Also, why didn't you mention that sooner?

[Ryuki]

Which 2?  Sanae was a mistake, so I'm assuming that's one of them, but who's the other?  Mamizou?  Neither of them were really bandwagons at the time. (Mine was the second vote)
Also, why didn't you mention that sooner?

So, mainly for the massive lack of reasoning behind jumping on Sanae:

##Vote Youmu

Kyouko, I have some reason to suspect Youmu, my case being the jump onto Sanae for no apparent reason, as I have stated multiple times

My stances on people right now:

Youmu: Now, from my point of view Youmu's speaking correct things, at least when she is defending me.  However, I also have to agree with Miko on the matter that thinking someone is scummy for pushing on someone to be lynched for pushing on someone they think is scummy, is a little... weird. It comes across hypocritical.

The jump on Sanae seems completely unjustified to me. Everyone is 'looking for rope' to lynch someone with. I did it too.

I think I have stated it MORE than enough.

That other one is when you jumped on Yoshika. I feel others, such as Miko and Sanae, covered this issue enough, and I didn't bring it up since Yoshika was pushing on me, so at the time, I was suspecting her naturally.

I get distracted by a livestream and see Yoshika...trolling?
Either way I really don't see a problem with what Reimu did, seems like she realized she was wrong and backed down.  That's not a scummy trait.

Yoshika though keeps pushing, which is somewhat scummy.

-cuts cuts cuts-
Yeah.  I definitely feel comfortable with a ##Vote: Yoshika

[Kaku Seiga]

Yes, I think the person I'm voting is flipping scum.  Why else would I be voting Youmu?

I'm not saying that's the reason you're voting Youmu.  It's the reason you keep reenforcing the vote with that instead of responding to her content and not using role related reason to justify your vote.

[Kiva-la]

If the case is indeed that you are Vanilla Town, then lynching you is a better lynch than randomly lynching and hitting a power role.

YoShikA thINK HIt ScuM ALwAYs beTTEr thAN ANy toWN!

When you say "more understand" in the third line, what are you referring to?

YOSHika not HEart or BRAin bUT yoSHIka moRE unDErstand meaN ladY thiNKING AFter New PostINg!
BuT YoshiKA sTILl see NO caSe so ONly UndersTAnding noT likE!

I enjoy her posts.

NyanNyan nOT like YoshikA...?
NyAnNyaN liKe DoG Ear laDY mOre...?

[Kiva-la]

YOShika noT like keeP aPpeaL to EMotiON from halFbreEd...

[Kiva-la]

Whichmakes me likly town, albeit, dumbtown, following the meta and policy you cling to, and thus, Kogasa is right in defending me.

YoU NO BRaIN?
EVen yoSHikA SEe thIS WRonG!
SCuM LIkE deFENDinG bAD tOWN FOr GOod crEd!

[Kabuto]

The Yoshika post you quoted was typed up over the course of an hour.  The Yoshika wagon took off...during that hour.

(Rhetorical question time)
If I were scum, would I be trying to keep discussion going as much as possible or would I have quickhammered myself when I was at L-1 to end the day over a hundred posts ago?  I was around then and could have done it.

Yoshika, is an AtE inherently scummy?

[Kiva-la]

Yoshika, is an AtE inherently scummy?

YeS!
TOwn MakE caSE noT EXCUse!

[Kaku Seiga]

My cute servant, just because I don't mention you doesn't mean I don't want to adore you so~
I simply thought it was a splendid post but you're doing well too.

Impertinence.  Scum can try to hang on until the last second if there is a chance of them not dying during the day.  There is no tactical advantage in quickhammering day 1 anyway.

[Kiva-la]

I don't see any reason to vote Kogasa. If you, and, for that matter, Yoshika, could explain more clearly what makes Kogasa scummy besides standing up for me, I'd appreciate it. Because standing up for someone who is drawing tons of attention right at the start of D1, when there's a history of the vocal ones being lynched D1, seems foolish.

YOshika thiNK yoSHikA unDerstanD prINcess ThouGHT abOUt not Lynch...
TheN YoshiKA see Crazy UmbRellA kEEp try maKE noT LYncH IdeA Null!
NOT nulL! YoShiKa ThiNK AlwAYs AcCOunT acTION foR!
YoshIKA thINk cRAzy UmbreLla dEFend toO EAger!
YOshikA THink maybe craZy umbRellA WanT Only ReputaTioN foR deFENce!
CrazY uMBrellA dRoP PrincEss cAsE fAsT foR YoshiKA! ToO FasT?
CrAZY UmbRElla onLy givE meTA line for whY drOP PrinceSs!

YosHIKA not LIke prINcess AND crazy uMbrelLA foR nO Play!

Especially since your argument falls apart on the policy and meta you've been basing your own arguments off of, such as your reason to lynch me for even mentioning a D1 NL. Since the meta is that the vocal ones die D1, so why would scum want to draw attention?

YoshIKa tHInk thIS baD!
YosHikA seE WINE!

[Kabuto]

YeS!
TOwn MakE caSE noT EXCUse!

If my reasons are taken as excuses then so be it.  It's also kind of hard to make cases D1, especially on those with little to their names.