Author Topic: Adorable Game of Mafia (Everyone wins!)  (Read 100447 times)

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #540 on: August 08, 2012, 05:27:56 PM »
Koromo's back/shoulders are probably burnt, hurt like hell, and just woke up to post walls. It'll be hard to read through these and reread but Koromo shall try my best.

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #541 on: August 08, 2012, 05:48:58 PM »
@BT: About that...my role PM said I was a Vanilla Townie. At the point I thought the Vanilla part was part of the role name, not the flavor descriptor. The wording was because I didn't want to claim VT outright and wanted to pretend to be a PR to bait NKs. At this point there's no longer a point in doing that though :\
[08:23 pm]  Aristocrat -- Raitaki on a scale of 1 to 10 your current mafia game play is annoying as fuck
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- Raitaki, if both of us ended up as mafia
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- I would be so angry
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- that I will snap and give into my rage

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #542 on: August 08, 2012, 06:06:41 PM »
frumg dork we are experiencing technical difficulties
Rai was counterclaiming a Vanilla Town claim. I do not understand how that could parse as a PR.
I'm also not sure if I want this to be 'huh what vs Shadoweh' because there are three just as suspicious people. Want to see what PX and BT have to say. Also rereading Midnight Crew to see how huh what treats baby buddy Serela


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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #543 on: August 08, 2012, 06:39:23 PM »
It could parse as a PR if it looked like he was confused at <custom> as opposed to "Vanilla". Which, he was, but that makes sense if his flavor is actually "Vanilla".

Reading and such.

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #544 on: August 08, 2012, 07:39:48 PM »
Regarding the post walls:

Kilga, stop watching detective shows :V
All in all, pretty good case on Shadoweh and much of it makes sense to me. Also, it reminded me of Case Closed and was a fun read :V

Shadoweh's response was likewise good, but Kilga's was better. Still need to check out people to see who are the scums.

Neko: Your wall is more information instead of analysis. It doesn't do much convincing, and doesn't really explain why he is scum. Try analysis his posts and say why it makes sense for him to do it as scum.

All in all, a little convinced of Shadoweh scum. Looking for Kilga's read of huh what, Shadoweh's reads, huh what's reads, and BT.

Also, incoming 8 hour van ride driven by Wahaha so do not expect much of me until tomorrow or later tonight. No computer really sucks. Also, still reading.

Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #545 on: August 08, 2012, 08:03:24 PM »
Okay, yeah, I misunderstood Rai's vote on Rex. With that in mind the switch actually reflects on him as eager newbtown.

Can we massclaim Vanilla names just because? I'm a pile of baby otters, Cookies & Cream Townie.

So I obviously don't buy into a HW/Shadowh false dichotomy. I'm not sure where scum would have gotten the impression IHNN is the cop, and the kill would still make sense for a scumpair that realized he couldn't be lynched and found him a threat - BT/PX, for example. It's also possible that while scum didn't suspect cop-Nameless with such confidence they'd kill him on that along, it was a combination of power role hunting and him being an actual threat for whatever reason. As for why Shadoweh and I are alive, I obviously wouldn't have been killed either night because I looked lynchable after the end-of-day wagons. No explanation for Shadoweh though, but it's possible scum has been looking for PRs the most since PRs are basically unlynchable if they claim before LYLO. Also, I'm not sure why Kilga is completely dropping PX in favor of this.

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Last two days, he's been in positions where he can coast on (presumable) town wagons near deadline because he was on them early, then let other people take the heat.
D1 Rex rises up as a counterwagon to Serela. PX comes back, but avoids posting and taking a stance when it mattered the most because he's "too tired". I believe this excuse is legitimate, but based on my past experiences as scum I also think scum are more likely to take advantage of physical state to not bother attempting to post at all. Also interesting: Neko vote comes right as IHNN wagon is falling apart, possibility of leaving sinking ship that had no chance of becoming a counterwagon.
D2 PX doesn't pursue any lynches or consider options other than Affinity. As scum there's no reason for him to if he thinks he can get by on minimal content - Affinity was the counterwagon to him so obviously he can't switch to anybody else.

His D2 looks really awful in hindsight, though. He had multiple suspects D1 (Rai, IHNN) who he dropped completely without a word so he could tunnel on Affinity. It's as if he decided they weren't lynchable anymore after Serela's flip, but the rest of the people Serela's flip made lynchable were either difficult for him to attack (Kilga and I) or a quickwagon he wanted to oppose for towncred (PX).

Re-reading D1: I'm realizing that Shadoweh bussing Serela doesn't actually look too probable, since she had a solid case on IHNN which she could have kept pushing even after his unvote if he wanted to. Had she left Serela alone it was entirely possible people would give him a pass on "well, it's Serela". Basically see what Kilga said about scum having to be suicidally moronic to slam their rolecop with such a good case in this set-up, only make it "suicidally moronic to slam their rolecop with such a good case in this set-up when they had a townie they could push easily with little retribution".

Affinity vote looks subliminally telegraphed from her D1 posts where she talks about him too, but not in the blatant "My thought process is linear and consistent, please don't vote me" scum way either. I don't find the "scum pony" point very strong, either - I get the impression it was just rhetoric to convince BT to switch. After Serela flipped scum a townie would want to re-assess whether they thought he was being bussed or not instead of just assuming.

So I'm not as sold on a Shadoweh wagon as I thought I'd be. At the moment I'd be more interested in lynching Kilga for ~PUSHING A FALSE DICHOTOMY~ while failing to consider options that would make it invalid, and other oddities like giving Rai towncred for being on the PX wagon when we don't have PX's flip. The false dichotomy just looks too much like a bullshit saving throw for scum coming out of a day where they were likely to get PoE'd for me to buy into it. If Shadoweh is town and scum!Kilga gets her and I mislynched back to back, he wins.

Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #546 on: August 08, 2012, 08:09:21 PM »
a quickwagon he wanted to oppose for towncred (PX).
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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #547 on: August 08, 2012, 08:18:36 PM »
Also, if Kilga's town reads were legit, I'm curious how the Omba case getting shot down and Affinity flipping scum made him jump from "PX and BT both look bad on process of elimination" to "the scums are between HW / Shadoweh" when the IHNN kill makes sense for PX/BT and Kilga was on PX at the end of D2.

Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #548 on: August 08, 2012, 08:19:14 PM »
Affinity flipping town*

I really cannot into words today I guess.

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 1 start. FROLIC)
« Reply #549 on: August 08, 2012, 08:26:18 PM »
Vote Count: Yakko's World edition

Shadoweh (1): Kilgamayan
huh what (1): NekoNekoRex
PX (1): huh what

Not voting: BT, Omba, Raitaki, Shadoweh, PX

You have ~28 hours remaining.  With 8 in play, it takes 5 votes to launch.

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #550 on: August 08, 2012, 08:35:05 PM »
Vote BT :comedycentral:

His D2 mostly consisted of mostly of fighting with IHNN and defending of Omba. However, nobody bites the case and he is forced to throw it away towards the end of D2 and jump on one of the two town wagons at the end of the day. At the end of the day, he starts waffling between the two wagons, and jumps on the Affinity wagon AFTER I claimed vanilla. This is a good spot for scum as he couldnt decide which wagon to stick on until after I claimed, thus making the Affinity lynch much better as he is usually regarded as a better player and scum hunter than me, as well of odds of being a PR compared to my vanilla. On top of this, his position on Serela is perfect for bussing scum, as he gains massive credit if Serela was lynched, and there was still opportunity for NNR or Omba to get lynched as well. To top it off, the IHNN NK makes perfect sense coming from him regardless of if he suspected PR or not.

Cut by huh what, I'll get to that next.

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #551 on: August 08, 2012, 08:49:48 PM »
Okay. Omba is town. Raitaki is town. NNR isn't shining town but his lynch isn't happening either way, and for good enough reason. Would like him to name his reasons for voting HW in a way that isn't post-by-post evaluation, though.

>_> It isn't Kilga/Shadoweh, that's safe enough. Aside from huge amount of effort, basically makes the day center around them which would be nonsensical.

Hrm. Shadoweh. Bussing allows for super-strong cases, and that's what her Serela case was, but throwing your rolecop buddy off a cliff after half of D1 is over like that doesn't sound like a worthwhile gambit at all.

PX paid no attention to the Serela wagon in LD1. He did say he was going to defend Serela but that never happened. Sole push on Affinity D2 looks worse after the flip and the Omba wagon distancing remains relevant. Latest post is "Shadoweh is good, Kilga is better, therefore Scum Shadoweh". Could be more convinced, liked parts of D1, but would support this lynch.

... I'm actually not done, because I was going to make a big post-summary hybrid and literally ran out of time in the process. Stuff about HW and Kilga tomorrow, because there are things I want to say. Technically I'm not done reading those two, but I can get behind my reasons regarding PX so

##Vote PX  :wat:

cut by "scum motivation for Affinity lynch, therefore BT scum" >_>

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #552 on: August 08, 2012, 08:58:53 PM »
##Vote huh what :getdown:

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #553 on: August 08, 2012, 09:01:03 PM »
I did take a stance on Serela when his wagon was rising, as I declared him as a town read. I went on NNR because I legitimately thought he was scum, as well IHNN was looking better for me as well as Rai, I'm sure I've brought that up before. Next point, can't refute that. As for Affinity, I had suspicion on him D1 and followed that D2 as everyone else was looking town/null. I brought up about Rai and IHNN already, as for the others, I don't really like wasting words to spam unneeded town/null reads, only of they were bring attacked/under threat of lynch. Even more so since I was left to phone posting and was in a vehicle for a good of D2.

Cut by BT: That's not all I have for why you're scum, it's a combination of timing, the NK, wagon position, and all you did of D2 >_>

Cut again wut

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #554 on: August 08, 2012, 09:02:57 PM »
My rereading was just interupted badly. I will not go into details but I seriously don't remember what I was reading anymore.

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huh what: Why PX and not BT?


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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #555 on: August 08, 2012, 09:04:28 PM »
Also for HW: What makes you think BT is scum as well? Are you pushing me/BT or me/Kilga?

Cut by Shadoweh saying something the same.

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #556 on: August 08, 2012, 09:08:20 PM »
Okay, phone is dying too fast, so I'll be gone until at least later tonight. Don't expect much else from me.

Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #557 on: August 08, 2012, 09:38:58 PM »
huh what: Why PX and not BT?
Because I don't think BT is scum?

PX/BT was mentioned because it was an example of a non-HW and non-Shadoweh team that would kill IHNN, not because I believe it to be the scum.

If I thought BT was scum I would have talked about why I thought BT was scum.

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #558 on: August 08, 2012, 09:52:22 PM »
I'm Maru, Vanilla Town. And I have absolutely no idea why my role was named Maru >_>
By the way folks Godfather right here nah I'm jk
Currently undecided between the cases brought up. Kilga's case against Shadoweh isn't very concrete imo, and some parts of it were meta, and unless many other people agree I'm going to ignore player-specific meta arguments. Also, is the following quote the result of some sort of behavioural analysis or meta, and if the former please give me an elaboration:
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I don't see two non-Shadoweh non-HW black names reaching that conclusion with such confidence that they'd kill him.

Neko's case does make some sense (assuming he didn't exaggerate/misrepresent HW's D1 stances). This by itself is not enough to convince me to vote HW right now however. Will do some reread on HW later.

PX's case....Well I'm not really buying this one, since the timing of his posts suggest that he doesn't have a lot of time each day to post, so it is possible that he simply couldn't get on the forum and post before PX claimed. I'll check later to see if BT ever posted near the time PX claimed.

HW's case against PX's Day 2 seems reasonable. This is the case I'm most inclined to believe in at the moment.

In lack of a better vote target at this time...##Vote PX :3c

The only thing that I've noticed by myself so far is the reason why I survived 2 nights straight after the bait D1. Pesco only scumhunted a bit D1, and even so part of his effort was already spent on pushing me to produce content. About IHNN, his voting pattern was similiar to mine, and he was producing not a lot more content than me, so if scum noticed my seemingly PR claim D1 I can't think of any reason they'd NK Pesco and IHNN first before me (unless IHNN crumbed about his role and scum noticed...). So, the most logical conclusion is that scum had not noticed my implied PR claim in D1. This would eliminate HW and BT, as they both acknowledged that my post hinted at having a PR. While it is true that there is the possibility that they might have thought that the post didn't necessarily mean that I had a PR, I don't think scum would prefer to NK a player that might pose a thread to them later during the Day over a player that has made a post that they realized can be implying the possession of a PR.
(Got interrupted a few times typing that paragraph, I apologize if it turned out incoherent >_>)
[08:23 pm]  Aristocrat -- Raitaki on a scale of 1 to 10 your current mafia game play is annoying as fuck
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- Raitaki, if both of us ended up as mafia
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- I would be so angry
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- that I will snap and give into my rage

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #559 on: August 08, 2012, 10:27:34 PM »
Why not? You point out that it's possible the nightkill was because Nameless was a legitimate threat. IHNN's biggest persual was after BT. He's someone that all three of us, you me and Kilga haven't been pushing. He's the only person on the wagon who isn't me or obvious doofus town. I honestly believe he is capable of being scum.

I've also had serious issues with BT's reasoning ever since this post:
Oh, that's why. I read his (Serela's) post as "don't wanna lynch IHNN, oh wait this post changes my mind, now I want him dead".
Understanding of Serela's thought patterns, explaining why he doesn't think he's scum.
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I'm the one that called people out for clearing people because their scumread is voting them in #123. :V Scum/Scum is actually a possibility I'm considering plenty. Both would be seen by scum as meaningful (and easy) wagons at time of voting (Serela on IHNN, IHNN on Serela). Notice that I never said I disagree with Serela's lynch; IHNN's jump could easily be a bus, also considering the inconsistency. I guess I just prefer IHNN if it happens that one of them are town.
His reasoning for voting Serela is because he's scumbuddies with his suspect who is bussing him. The only thing he ever throws in support of that lynch is the vote. He doesn't ever spare a word to why Serela is scum. He also disappears after he votes Serela.  Also, if this is reasoning that BT believes I don't understand why he's willing to agree with the masses and clear Neko. I feel like his votes are safe.

asghndhgdg I still can't make up my mind. Huh what defending BT so hardcore feels like suspicious steering. Every time I reread I keep finding more spots where Kilga has been subtly trying to set me up all game. And PX has some real oddities concerning how he asked some questions near the end of Day 1 then dropped IHNN completely for Affinity. ..Actually there's alot of gonna get to it later in his iso. I'm gonna go out and get dinner and let the house air out. I will vote when I get back.

Rai: I don't mean to be offensive, but you obviously survived because you're the newest in the group and a little sheepy. Scum probably thinks it has you in it's pocket.


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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #560 on: August 09, 2012, 12:08:58 AM »
I've re-read BT multiple times and waffled on it. The gist of it is that his Serela vote seems too anti-scum and non-telegraphed to be a bus.

Will expland later, head feels heavy and I don't want to post in mafia.

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #561 on: August 09, 2012, 12:20:24 AM »
Hum hum hmmmm.

I was going to open this with the following...

- I don't buy into a PX/BT team offing IHNN on the grounds that he's a threat. IHNN was not really a threat, he doesn't have the silverest tongue in this game by a fairly wide margin (with all due respect). He also wasn't as unlynchable as Omba or NNR. And really, if he was killed purely because he suspected BT, even then that would need to be signed off on by PX and I don't think PX would

...and it was about there that I stopped and thought and realized I wasn't sure PX wouldn't sign off on such a kill. I will admit that Shadoweh's #559 has also weighed on my mind over the past hour and a half.

Let me reconsider this.

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[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #562 on: August 09, 2012, 01:19:46 AM »
Still reconsidering.

Shadoweh, why aren't you voting BT right now?
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #563 on: August 09, 2012, 01:55:49 AM »
It doesn't have to be PX/BT. And it doesn't matter if you didn't think IHNN's tongue was silver enough, you aren't the scum right? He was relatively cleared due to :Serela: and he was pretty active in pursuing his target. It still makes the three of us living really suspicious but still.

I said why I wasn't voting BT. I'm currently rereading huh what and you since no one else seems to want to. Why are you still voting me?



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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #564 on: August 09, 2012, 01:57:09 AM »
Of all the times for my mouse wheel to start fucking itself up ;_;

You know, I wonder if Serela's slip in #319 was due to not having buddies around to bounce his ideas/posts off of before posting them.

I do now find myself wondering about BT's Serela vote. It came when the wagons were tied, but the NNR wagon was gaining momentum, and NNR had already voted Serela, so really NNR was effectively a vote closer to lynch. Raitaki was also on the Serela wagon and was probably the most unpredictable opinion/vote at that time due to being a newbie used to a different style of play while we're still on Day 1, so it was hardly a guarantee he'd stay on Serela. In retrospect, BT's vote-then-leave is less risky as a bus than it seemed at the time for these reasons. The one thing that bothers me is that I don't know why he wouldn't try to justify it more than he did if bussing was really his intention.

The End of Day 2 transition from #436, where he makes the case why PX is scummier than Affinity, to #444, where he keeps making points on PX but...unvotes him for ??? reasons, to #455, where Affinity is now voteworthy and PX "feels a lot more solid now" despite the fact that PX's only meaningful post between #436 and #445 was one BT theoretically didn't read before changing his mind. Wat? Where is the reasoning for why PX is better? I have to admit that the thing that makes the most sense here is BT spotting a chance to get rid of someone on his trail and taking it (looking back on it now, Affinity's #421 is actually a decent case - object to Omba lynch without really doing anything about it, sit on IHNN for the entire day despite it being pretty obvious that wagon was never going to go anywhere).

I'll also admit I forgot that IHNN's top two priorities in #428 were BT and PX.

I hate everything. :matsuriscowl:

##Unvote: Shadoweh
##Vote: BT :(

Man, egg on my face. This is what I get for trying to REVERSE SPEEDS on scumhunting style and do everything I always say not to do because I'm paranoid that I'm being played.

Another post coming after this; other things I have promised to address have gone unaddressed for long enough.

Fake edit: Then I guess the question is more why you aren't voting anyone. It's not like you can't change your mind if you have good reason to do so. BT just seems like the most obvious vote from your perspective.
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[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #565 on: August 09, 2012, 01:59:15 AM »
Also I was still voting you because I was still reading and still writing. Would you have rather I empty unvoted like you yelled at people for doing in #443?
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #566 on: August 09, 2012, 02:12:04 AM »
~Stuff for huh what~

- My primary focus was not on PX at the beginning despite it being there at the end of yesterday because I had two choices and deadline pressure to deal with at the end of yesterday. I saw a lot of myself in Affinity's play and figured both of PX's questions that I highlighted were bogus, which is why I pushed as hard as I did, but this didn't mean at all that my PX case were my pride and joy of the entire game. Getting two more flips and 24 hours of not being under deadline pressure gave me the opportunity to give everything another once-over.

- My issue with your issue with my #170 is (a) I at least tried to justify why I found people suspicious, and (b) NNR was at zero (0) votes when I wrote that. Claiming that my voiced suspicion of NNR let me "hop on any rising wagon" means claiming I was betting on NNR to go from zero to lynch danger when only you and kinda-sorta Pesco were suspicious of him at the time.

- For your nitpick #3, I had put you and Affinity ahead of BT because I remembered meaningful stances you and Affinity took on D1 while I couldn't say the same about BT. Funny story: When going through potential suspects over Night 1, since I knew I usually forget at least one person playing the game, I made an active attempt to think of people I couldn't remember, and only PX came to my mind. It wasn't until after I picked through everyone on the player list that I remembered BT was in the game.

Pegasis next, though that will take longer to write.
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[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #567 on: August 09, 2012, 03:54:33 AM »
~Stuff for Pegasis~

This'll be more quotestripe-y due to the existing presentation. OH WELL. I've tried to cut out some stuff regardless; consider anything I don't address either dropped (such as the PX using RNG kills thing) or satisfied with the point that has been made due to the lack of a combative reaction (such as the Affinity not voting at L-2 thing).

Kilga you dope, I kill the person I think is townest Day 1. Considering what I said about you, who do you think I would have killed?

I may be generically high on your list from game-to-game, but I don't think there's any question that Pesco came out of Day 1 townier than I did. My initial reaction to the way the day planned out was to put you at #1 and him at #2, really.

For the record, it's highlighted because it's something I find suspicious but can't quite reason out why. Weird is a good word for it. I don't think I point out 'funny things townies do' in thread as scum.

See, the thing is that I can't really tell the difference, precisely because of the lack of accompanying "why". It could easily be scum highlighting something that looks weird without being 100% sure how to paint it in a negative light so they hope just dangling it in front of townies will make them take it and run with it. The "why" is at least as important as the "what", if not more so, and townies posting "what"s without posting "why"s gives scum carte blanche to do the same thing and it suddenly gets harder to pick out the bullshit justifications. You'll also understand when I don't take that last sentence at face value.

It's not a matter of amusement. I find it strange that you would go out of your way not to mark yourself as confirmed town but mark your near-100% town read as confirmed town. It's like you're downplaying yourself.

It did occur to you that I could just parse blue as confirmed town in my head as I read that chart, right? :V Since I knew I was the only blue name and I knew I was town. I'm going to assume you're not asking me why I didn't try to present myself as confirmed town to the rest of the game.

Let me put it another way. Why aren't you obvtown? Your play is alot like when you were the tracker last game, but you're just some vanilla, so why does it feel like you've been holding back?

I'm not obvtown because I voiced support of the scum wagon without actually being on it and my slam-dunk case completely fell apart in the middle of Day 2. If I were watching someone else do this in another game I wouldn't find them any sort of obvtown. Clearly, from the number of people that stated dissatisfaction with me near the end of D2, I'm not the only one that thinks this way.

The "holding back" thing is likely a product of me not posting a lot on Day 1 (which I always try to do) and work schedule simply not allowing me to be here as much as everyone else. It didn't help that I spent all but about three hours of my Day 2 online time on my phone instead of at my computer due to various environmental circumstances, so that likely added to any perceived lack of participation on my part.

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #568 on: August 09, 2012, 03:55:14 AM »
Is it really so hard to think I was hoping that maybe, just maybe, ramming a scum lynch and being obviously town for it might earn me a Night 1 kill? Do you know how absolutely maddening it is that they killed fucking Pesco instead? There is literally nothing I can do that comes off threatening. I've been refraining from commenting about my feelings this game. But I'm already getting tangental thinking about it.

You're not gonna get to me with that AtE, missy. :V I'm not a huge fan of this, any way I read it sounds more like excuse-making for the lackluster Affinity case than anything else. Please do at least realize how incongruous the strengths of your Day 1 and Day 2 cases are. (For the record, I do at least not blame anyone for wanting to get NKed, since I find myself praying for it more often than not regardless of the circumstances. >_>)

I spent the night looking over the Serela wagon to figure out who was at the rodeo, but.. well look at it from my perspective.The three original people who jumped Serela after my case came out various degrees of obvtown. Neko for the push, IHNN for Serela trying to push him like a donkey, and Raitaki for CATS. Pesco died. And I'm the town that sent that wagon off the cliff for you naysayers so suck it. Literally the only person on here to make sense as scum is the guy who made sure it happened in the end, so I thought perhaps it would be better to pursue off-wagon. On top of that, going into today, the scum aren't afraid to kill on-wagon. Either BT didn't think about it or the only scum on the wagon is Serela  and they froze the wagon to get us hunting for bussing scum that doesn't exist.

Scum don't always think about that sort of thing. I remember watching you doing highlighted wagon analysis on Day 3 of Swords Girls Mafia and thinking "y'know, maybe we should have paid closer attention to the wagons when deciding who to kill and who to suspect." (For all that none of our kills were in our control in that game, anyway.) This is also at least part of the reason why I am surprised your vote is not on BT, because your opinion of his vote seems a lot less positive now.

I am not sure how much clearer I can make this. I thought Pesco was scummy. I thought him borrowing you as credit in an argument with me was scummy. My statement at the time stands, I had no reason to assume either of you were thinking of the town instead of hoping we would lynch the cop for being Serela. Because even if I believed in my case I couldn't be sure I was -right- until the flip.

Again with the lack of addressing the "why"s. I'm not going to speak for the dead rabbit but I at least tried to put forward my rationale on why the counterclaim was a bad idea, which you either didn't notice or did and didn't care. You could very well have discussed why my rationale was good or bad while still not having any reason to think Pesco or myself town. Not doing so and simply blowing us off in this fashion instead was not a townie approach to the situation.

Huh what's case on Omba in #341 is bad. Serela didn't have any irrational, unjustified hate of Omba. I'm surprised you didn't call this out considering your comment that Serela barely said two lines about Omba. Serela's best bet of survival was ignoring the Omba wagon and concentrating on getting the people on it to switch over to the guy he was immediately competing with, not to split voters who weren't taking the Serela option. Saying the dismissal was 'needless' when it was both true and correct is just denying what happened. It was the truth and I only regret that I didn't dismiss it hard enough.

Hoo boy, where to start.

- Considering my opinion on all Serela had said about Omba, I was at least inclined to agree with the sentiment that it was unjustified, because I, uh, hadn't found justification.

- Why did you not bring this assessment of the best Serela approach up at the time? It would have caused reasonable discussion and perhaps persuaded huh what to reconsider his stance. Y'know, the sort of thing that town wants to do with each other. Instead he got a blanket dismissal that I would assume (though he can correct me if I'm wrong) he didn't feel applied to him...

- ...one that you still stand by with plenty of needless rhetoric despite the fact that it was a discussion killer (and still inaccurate relative to my case). If Town Shadoweh really wants to be seen as a threat to scum she should dismiss things with discussion-stifling statements less and try to open dialogues about reasonings more. Why did huh what think his proposed best course of action for Scum Serela was the best one when you have this idea for a different one? Why was Omba's second-suspect-Serela approach to the wagon as scummy as I was claiming it was? Things like that. It's not as hard to do as your self-meta, AtE and rhetoric use suggest it is.

Riling up someone who is likely to write a giant wall post detailing why they hate you and want you to die is bad scum strategy. If you can explain how I benefit from making you want to vote for me I'll buy this as evidence.

This implies you were doing it thinking that my "likely" response to it would be to come out blasting you the next day despite the fact that my most recent stated opinion of you was that you were probably town due to the D1 wagon. I think it's entirely possible Scum Shadoweh tried messing with my head while I was obviously frustrated from my pride-and-joy case being blown up by a role claim, yes, because muddying my perception of the game would be good for a scum who has stated she holds my townie game in high regard. That it blew up in said scum's face was simply an unexpected result.
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[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
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[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

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Re: Adorable Game of Mafia (Day 3 start!)
« Reply #569 on: August 09, 2012, 03:59:06 AM »
Now, as for why my vote is still on BT after all that, it is because I think the things I outlined in #564 outweigh the issues I have with Shadoweh despite those issues being more plentiful. On the logical surface, his rather empty Serela vote looks more like a bus than hers, which was based on a very townie case.

tl;dr I still do hold Shadoweh as a suspect, just not as high as BT.
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"