IMP MAFIA - TOWN VICTORY

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

I'm not voting PX for calling you town, as tempting as it is to scold him for shilling the obvtown-turned-obvSK-by-role.

I asked Chaore if he could clarify that part of my role PM. I have not yet received a response.

[Shadoweh]

After reading about Gamzee I was a little worried that would happen! If I honestly thought I was going to become an SK though, I wouldn't have done it. I'm getting tired of being quicklynched yellow. >_>

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

I assume the mod didn't tell you what your trueclaim did or something? I'm guessing everybody's trueclaim is described differently, since I was informed about how mine functions. I'd like it if the ones who know they kill themselves upon trueclaiming would mention that they do, though, so we know which people can function as extra lynches each day. The reason I haven't been listening to stuff like "don't talk about people's trueclaims, it hints to scum what kind of PR they are" is because I'm a Vanilla Townie aside from my trueclaim's effect, so I have no idea how it would. :/ Probably best not to explain how I guess.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Have I said that I dislike how PX just OMGUS'd me?
I guess I'll be waiting for another response from him.

Why are we voting Schezo again?

Now, having said that, where is the rest of the playerlist? Would be nice if they checked in.

I'm going to go drown a loli in a swimsuit repeatedly now. Depending on how this goes I'll make another post later.

[Shadoweh]

Because he's scum.

Any other questions?

[Bardiche]

I'd like it if the ones who know they kill themselves upon trueclaiming would mention that they do, though, so we know which people can function as extra lynches each day.

Are you seriously suggesting people should suicide themselves so Town gets "an extra lynch"? What the actual fuck. You're going to have to explain why you think any scum should willingly murder themselves, why any TOWN should willingly murder themselves and why this won't horribly backfire on Town when a Townie refusing to suicide becomes the next day's lynch and thereafter? No, I cannot see benefits to this approach. It sounds wholesomely dumb.

For that reason, why did you feel the need to fish for trueclaims?

##Vote: Shadoweh

Stop jokevoting this late into the game. Your contributions thus far are "Person X is Town", and most egregiously you vote Dormio, later declare him Town, keep your vote on him until you swap to Schezo with the words "Wasn't jokevoting him yet!" and "Schezo is scum, die!".

Explain why Schezo is scum for those of us who aren't inebriated, if you'd please, and stop playing the game like some lunatic who broke out of an asylum. Telling us "Person X isn't scum, stop voting him" is nice and all, but you're not exactly providing any reasoning for your reads much.  Words to content ratio is too low.

Even if the scum hadn't actually been the fake-claiming Bardiche,

I didn't fake-claim, damnit.

[Bardiche]

For that matter, etc*

Also, confirming in.

[Schezo]

I'm pretty sure Px is protecting Shadoweh in the same way I'm protecting Serela...  I believe there is only town moitivation for such an action.

I want hear the why of this right now.
I only see scum motivation to buddying up to and defending town this early in the game.

I'm glad you finally elaborated on why Hero was scum because it was pretty glyph.  Now I can also refer to you as waking up on the wrong side of stupid for wanting to lynch someone for not having role information in an informed minority vs uninformed majority game.   That or scummy you and HW are both guilty of it.

Btw Px, suiciding restarts the day, so time should not be an issue.  If I were about to be lynched, I'd use the special ability to in effect give town a double lynch.  Anybody able to do so should do the same.

Comments like this will blow up in your face for gaming the mod so stop doing it.

Schezo your hate against me is stretching.  Like,

This is a hilarious comment from someone who was going to open with a wall on

I'll go back to this because he was content to hop on Shadoweh as the 2nd vote while pointing out what could have been a Post Restriction for the lack of anything better to do.  Affinity and Mavv's votes feel out of place as well

My second post in the game had I not posted.

I'm glad you think that one person screaming "OMG this one vote is a quicklynch wagon" is taking it out of context and that he is not guilty for doing the same thing. (knee jerk reaction while voting someone for a knee jerk reaction)
It shows how scummy your logic is because you are swimming in hypocrisy and that makes you scum.
##Unvote:
##Vote:Action Dan

[Schezo]

The way I parsed PX's vote for Dormio, he seemed to voting him not only because Dormio's vote was quick but also because it was weak.  Considering that Dormio was voting for PX solely because he said that Shadoweh seemed town (which can be seen as  somewhat weak), why haven't Schezo and huhwhat addressed this?

##Unvote
##Vote: Schezo

Schezo, if you find Dan so bad, then why are you voting PX?  What makes Dan's 'cheerleading' worse than PX's hypocrisy?

That's amazing that you got something else from PX's vote. The way I read that was hypocrisy from a ladle and slinging it back in Dormio's face in the same way.
No, I didn't think of it your way because of how disjointed the vote looked.

If I thought Dan was worse then I would have voted him.  I was giving him the chance to be derping town like HW was earlier.  So where did I say Dan was worse at that point?

[Hero999]

Oh there it is, so no Chaore is not mod-lying scum, I'm just a blind person.

On another note,
@Huh what: are the explicitly saying that your role PM tells you that all townies have true-claims?

I agree with Bardiche's opinions about the true-claiming plan. One of the main follies that I can see is that scum can easily just say true-claiming will kill them and it will end up as wasted time.

@Actiondan: You seem to be singling me out multiple times. Is there any reason why you seem to single a specific person out when you were talking about townies in general?
and
How exactly do you know that using true-claims will reset the day?

[capt. h]

And on the seventh votecount the mod rested

Dormio: PX
Shadoweh: Hero999, Bardiche
Huh What: NeoSerela
Schezo: Shadoweh, ActionDan, Affinity
Action Dan: Schezo
PX: Dormio, Huh What
Hero999:

Not Voting: BT, Dr. Rawr, Headcrabs, Maav

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

~60.5 hours remaining in the day

[Schezo]

@Mod: there's enough voting that I wish to know who everyone else is on the votecounts please.

[BT]

Hi I am Rose Lalonde and was there even a RVS this game??

Opinion on the TCs (true claims, from this point onward) shenanigans is that almost (?) everyone has them, including scum, otherwise this game would turn out to be quite the let's-clean-everyone-in-the-whole-wide-world shitfest and i don't want to believe the mod designed the game in such a way.

On a different note, you people are impossible to read.

Bardiche's opening post seems like being contributive without contributing anything. Yes, cool, HW's logic is dumb, Shadoweh is vague, you're voting her for it. What else is going on? Your actual 'stance' on <anyone> is nonexisent. A prod vote does not excuse you from this.

##Vote Schezo

I'm not getting a good vibe from how you're pursuing Dan. You gave him the benefit of the doubt before because he "could be derptown". You're now digging through his posts to accuse him of faulty logic and, somehow, this is a scumtell and definitely not derptown-ish. To me it seems like you're just pressing every part of his posts you can find in order to build your case, which implies that you're desperate to do so, or just focusing on him in specific, either of which aren't the townie way of doing things.

[Maav]

I don't see how being desperate to lynch someone can be scummy (unless one's doing that to keep attention out of himself).
I mean, not in Day 1. There aren't many leads of potential threats to go all-out on, I don't think that it'd be worth it just to lynch, for example, a VT.

[Bardiche]

Bardiche's opening post seems like being contributive without contributing anything. Yes, cool, HW's logic is dumb, Shadoweh is vague, you're voting her for it. What else is going on? Your actual 'stance' on <anyone> is nonexisent. A prod vote does not excuse you from this.

Shadoweh is scum that needs to die and Huh What's logic looks scummy given it's more beneficial to scum if people suicide themselves. What else is unclear?

[BT]

It wasn't clear from your post if you're just noting their faults or actually see something scummy in them. This elaboration was needed.

I assume you think everything else that's been going on so far is fine at best, passable at worst, then?

[Shadoweh]

Oh hey Bardiche. I'm not jokevoting right now. I can see where'd you be confused about that.

SoRrY AbOuT GaMbItTiNg bEfOrE YoU CoUlD YOU mad BRO? ha HA ha HA.

[Shadoweh]

Suddenly the words 'honk HONK' will never mean the same thing to me again ;_;

I want hear the why of this right now.
I only see scum motivation to buddying up to and defending town this early in the game.

How do you know I'm town? O.o

Are you seriously suggesting people should suicide themselves so Town gets "an extra lynch"? What the actual fuck. You're going to have to explain why you think any scum should willingly murder themselves, why any TOWN should willingly murder themselves and why this won't horribly backfire on Town when a Townie refusing to suicide becomes the next day's lynch and thereafter? No, I cannot see benefits to this approach. It sounds wholesomely dumb.

WoAh tAkE It eAsY BrO. Let's use say, Dormio as an example. Dormio is at L-1 and is about to be lynched, within the hour. There aren't enough people around to change the lynch. Dormio is town with the ability to claim to be awesome and kills himself. It IS beneficial for the townie to reset the day by effectively modkilling himself. It skips the scum kill. Of course scum wouldn't kill themselves, they prooobably don't have the ability to as we've seen that not all true-claims have the same wording. I quirk a brow at how YOU wouldn't see the benefits in scum suspects taking themselves out of the picture. If they don't suicide there is nothing stopping them from being lynched.

Stop jokevoting this late into the game. Your contributions thus far are "Person X is Town", and most egregiously you vote Dormio, later declare him Town, keep your vote on him until you swap to Schezo with the words "Wasn't jokevoting him yet!" and "Schezo is scum, die!".

PrEtTy sUrE I CoNtRiBuTeD MoRe tHeN ThAt aCtUaLlY BuT SuRe. Dormio is town for being the one to say people should stop mass-claiming on Day 1, a very townie sentiment. It's much better then vote because lolDormio.

Explain why Schezo is scum for those of us who aren't inebriated, if you'd please, and stop playing the game like some lunatic who broke out of an asylum. Telling us "Person X isn't scum, stop voting him" is nice and all, but you're not exactly providing any reasoning for your reads much.  Words to content ratio is too low.

HeY I DiDn't lIvE In nO AsYlUm. I'M HiGh cAsTe hErE BrO. aS FoR LuNaTiC, yOu dOn't kNoW MuCh aBoUt gAmZeE Do yOu? You can rail all you like but I don't have to give a reason for that one. PX isn't scum and voting someone for saying someone is town is so five games ago. The votes come down to 'OMG YOU SAID SOMETHING WEIRD LYNCH IT'. Tell me why PX is scum since I went through the trouble of explaining twice now for you who the townies are.

I didn't fake-claim, damnit.

NaH YoU WeRe aLl lEgIt. NoT AlIgNeD WiTh tOwN LoOkS LiKe a zOmBiE AnD CaN KiLl pEoPlE! wHeRe's mY GuN..

[Shadoweh]

I imagine the suicide claims are there precisely so we can't just have everyone true-claim. That might mean all the vanilla townies can do it! It would also explain why the days are so short. It's an artificial shortening if we can just play the same day over and over.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

I asked Chaore about the "all townies can trueclaim" part of my role PM and he said he can't confirm or deny that information. Mod backpedaling. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

why this won't horribly backfire on Town when a Townie refusing to suicide becomes the next day's lynch and thereafter?

When did I say that "anybody who doesn't suicide is automatically scum"? Some people don't even suicide when trueclaiming, as shown by Shadoweh.

I'd cite Sana Spice for why suiciding isn't a particularly bad idea, though I suppose trueclaims don't also include alternate wincons. Alternately Shadoweh could cut me and explain everything better than I can, okay.

##Unvote
##Vote Bardiche because I seriously hated that post. BT is right about your stances, your attacks on me are a faulty PoV argument and that Shadoweh vote is a prod which becomes worthless if she does explain her vote. None of your attacks have any real lasting power, it's all just pressure on people for playing in a manner that can be construed as "weird". It gives me the impression that you're looking for bad town play to pick at instead of hunting scum, and that's a scum approach to D1.

@Maav and Hero999: Hey, we've been in :seriousmode: for a while now, when are you two going to actually attempt to scumhunt instead of hanging onto a no-vote and a jokevote, respectively? Hero, is Shadoweh still the scummiest to you at this point? Your left your vote on her in your most recent post.
@Shadoweh: What's your opinion on Bard? Despite you making a Quote Wall in response to him it's not very clear.
@PX: Why don't you exist? I still don't like your Dormio vote and I expect you to respond to my posts even though I switched to Bard.

Short days are obviously because Jesus is in the game.

[communist unity (comm-unity)]

confirming

hello gentlemen and gentleladies

give me one reason why i shouldn't DESTROY you

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Uh, I'm confused about these short days. What are you guys talking about? Chaore said he was editting the rules, and they say that every day is 72 hours now.
Anyway, making a post.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

First of all, here's why I think that putting so much focus onto your goddamn suicidal roles is bad.

• It encourages us to either target or avoid the people with those roles for lynching. Blah blah blah "We can still scumhunt normally", let's face it. On a subconscious level, at the very least, wouldn't you feel more comfortable chasing after them if you view them as an extra lynch?
• Asking people to self hammer is bullshit. Shadoweh cites the example where there aren't enough people to swing a wagon. Here's the thing, if you don't want them lynched, you think they're town. Why do you want them to die?

Of course, this is all situational, and I think that these suicide things should be left alone until we get to it. Seriously.

Now that I've said that, Shadoweh, would you kindly care so as to enlighten me about why you're voting for Schezo?
"Because he's scum" is not a proper answer.
When Bardiche asks you about it, you avoid answering the question by explaining why you see me and PX as town.
Not saying why you think someone is town is one thing, but not explaining why someone is scum is a thing.
Doesn't anyone else find this strange?

PX, exist please.

More poast when I eat breakfast and stuff.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

herdcarbs, you're going to post something of content later, right?
Hero999, you're going to contribute something that isn't setup speculation later, right?
Serela, you're going to contribute something that isn't setup speculation later, right?
DrRawr, you're going to do that thing where you post later, right?
You all suck.

Making another post because nobody else is here anyway.

[Schezo]

Shadoweh, I'm about to change your name to "Cow" and punch your lights in.
You've proven that you strongarm lynches on town when clear without talking it over.  You really think I'm going to let you just go ahead and say "Schezo is scum" and expect everyone to quicklynch me since just think so?
Hell no.

You keep going: "Ha ha fuck you.  But I can see why you can't see my reads lolz" and it makes me want to quicklynch you through the wall.
Let's make that case on me if I'm so ObvScum.

How do you know I'm town? O.o

Point in question.  You're just poking at stuff to start shit.

You can rail all you like but I don't have to give a reason for that one. PX isn't scum and voting someone for saying someone is town is so five games ago. The votes come down to 'OMG YOU SAID SOMETHING WEIRD LYNCH IT'. Tell me why PX is scum since I went through the trouble of explaining twice now for you who the townies are.

Because the game suddenly went to "Everyone explain your townreads and vote scum but don't tell us"
DID IT REALLY?

Ok, since people don't fucking get it, I'll go.

There.  is.  no reason whatsofuckingever need for town to know who the power roles are.  None.
What good can come from it?  None.
Watch:
Town sees persons X Y and Z claim PR.  They don't want to lynch them.
Scum can claim a power role and get off.

OK

Now what?
Oh, you gave scum a convenient night kill list so they can just go though these people who are claiming powers and we get fucked late game.

GJ

Now for one last thing and you all shut the fuck up about it.
I cannot be awesome and trueclaim.  Yet I'm town.
This is another problem I had with Dan insta saying "I expect scum doesn't know what's going on guys."
No.  Town also didn't know what was going on so if you people keep acting like proscum tards then be my guest, I'll lynch you for it.
For the rest, reread this Dormio person and then, shut up about it.

Now to BT's "I don't even know what the fuck"

I'm not getting a good vibe from how you're pursuing Dan. You gave him the benefit of the doubt before because he "could be derptown". You're now digging through his posts to accuse him of faulty logic and, somehow, this is a scumtell and definitely not derptown-ish. To me it seems like you're just pressing every part of his posts you can find in order to build your case, which implies that you're desperate to do so, or just focusing on him in specific, either of which aren't the townie way of doing things.

Really, digging you say?
Pulling straight up hypocrisy and ignorance of it is not a scumtell to you?  Nice to know.  I see the Dan case as that, and you don't.
Big fucking whoop.
And it's not every part of his post I can, it's just the bullshit parts which, GASP are a lot.
No, I'm not desperate to make a case when PX is his wing man and just as bad.
No, I'm not just tunneling on him because I made one case.  Holy hell.  I talk about the people who are scum.  There we go.

Your case on me boils down to playstyle which (surprise) doesn't match yours.  Continuing this sort of case one me will lead to you bullshitting yourself and you know it.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Warning - while you were reading a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
\o/ Hi Schezo!

##Unvote
##Vote ActionDan
As Huh What said somewhere earlier, still expect PX to respond whenever he decides to actually reappear.
I also expect Shadoweh to actually do that thing where she posts a case on who she thinks is scum. Something that she seems highly averse to for some reason.

For someone who said that talking about trueclaims was on a need to know basis only and that it only served as role fishing (#50), you sure seem to be happy to speculate about it all you want later (#61).
#71 Why is Schezo voting Shadoweh at that point in time significant? Why not me, Hero, or PX?

Also in #71:

You know, 3 people ostensibly have the same ability to prevent a lynch while you "botch" your ability and are unsure of what happened.  Going "STOP ROLEFISHING" while you are unaccountable for your own role is jarring to me.

Let me go over the thought process.

"O god Dan is exposing my role that I don't even know wtf it did, O GOD STOP IT NOW!"

All I can say is: wat.
Here's a thing. You yourself said that this shit was on a need to know basis, asking about it was like rolefishing.
So why are you calling someone out for telling people to stop talking about something that you yourself said we shouldn't discuss (even though you proceeded to blabber on about it anyway)?
Hypocrisy much?

And how the hell does buddying up at this point in the game make someone look townie? Why are you using this as justification for yourself buddying up to Serela? You know, you're kind of just trying to cover your own ass along with PX's here, which is suspicious as hell.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

When did Px not understand the concept of 'true claims'?

With Schezo/Shadoweh/Affinity/Hero/Px  clueless.

:V

[Affinity]

@Schezo: Sorry, made a poor choice of words.  Wanted to ask why PX over Dan.

About your thing on Dan, I agree with his opinion that PX is okay for going after Dormio, so why aren't you going after me?  Also, if you are voting Dan for swimming in hypocrisy in that he agreed with PX's vote and that he had a bad case on you, then why aren't you voting PX for doing the actual hypocritical action?  It seems like a genuine OMGUS.

@Bard: What are your thoughts on the Dan/PX/Dormio/Schezo quadrangle?  That's more important right now.

[Schezo]

PX not talking yet so I can gage how bad it looks next to the defender of said hypocritical actions is the main reason.

Acting like it's ok to get away with and actually encouraging the actions by defending them is not something I approve of and worse in my opinion.

You haven't been rolefishing.

At least Dormio can see the Dan case.

[Dr Rawr]

Btw what is OMGUS

Also whats true claiming this whole suicide talk and second lynch, im way lost by this. So id rather keep my vote till i actually understand whats going on

@dormio ur not my mom! cant tell me what to do