Waiting for confirmation to end so I can lynch you.Vote: Shadoweh
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O god never again
huhwhat am i allowed a retarded first minute namechange(Confirming that this is huhwhat. I'll probably have an avatar change in a bit because I am a tremendous faggot who enjoys facetious Mafia roleplaying.)
huhwhat harold wilson can wait, i want to be a cat troll
Chaore i uh
Chaore sure go ahead
YoU'rE jUsT JeAlOuS BrO. BuNcHa HaTeRs....
HeY hArOlD dO yOu StIlL hAvE a LiNk To ThE tRaNsLaToR tHaT MaKeS SpEeCh LiKe ThIs?
##Vote Shadoweh
Too annoying to read dem words!
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##Vote ActionDan
:33 < *although she thoroughly enjoys frivolous roleplaying, aC frowns at actionDan's choice to roleplay as coldCrow, which made her gut ache!*
:33 < *aC makes it clear that she s33s no reason that chaoreLance would not have informed scum about the set-up! it's pawssible, even purrobable, that they have trueclaims with special functions as well! aC thinks that aD is pushing faulty logic to sound like propurr anti-scum townkitty!*
:33 < *aC also thinks shadmeowzeeh is probably not scum and doesn't want to be on her jokewagon right now!*
Great, Shadoweh is town.
Dan: How do you know that every townie knows what trueclaiming is? Also, I already said that I brought it up because I wanted to know if people thought it was viable to have the preferred lynch from each day kill themself to give us another lynch. I was under the impression everybody's trueclaim resulted in seppuku, especially after Serela responded to me.
Because I'm Town ObvTown! Townie Obvtown!Go die, Youmu.
WILL you STOP rolefishing GOD.
Dormio officially has more sense then you. Dormio gets to be town.
No wait.
Sorry Dan, I'm an idiot.
I just re-read my role PM. It specifically told me that I have the ability to trueclaim like everyone else on town.
##Unvote
##Vote Hero999
If Hero is town, then Chaore is lying modscum.
Stop voting PX seriously.Why?
I greatly dislike Dans opening post for the blatant stabs at roles only to blow up on others when the are bound to be mentioned. The entire thing is a trap for me as well since he can make up anything once I respond. His empty Unvote while cheer leading Hero scum while at the same time ignoring PX for doing the same thing (hell he quoted Hero in his vote) is full of disconnect.
Is that really in your PmIt is. Also, my seppuku doesn't mention restarting the day.
Dan: How do you know that every townie knows what trueclaiming is? Also, I already said that I brought it up because I wanted to know if people thought it was viable to have the preferred lynch from each day kill themself to give us another lynch. I was under the impression everybody's trueclaim resulted in seppuku, especially after Serela responded to me.yet he claims (and still claims in the above post) that
I just re-read my role PM. It specifically told me that I have the ability to trueclaim like everyone else on town
I'd like it if the ones who know they kill themselves upon trueclaiming would mention that they do, though, so we know which people can function as extra lynches each day.
Even if the scum hadn't actually been the fake-claiming Bardiche,
I'm pretty sure Px is protecting Shadoweh in the same way I'm protecting Serela... I believe there is only town moitivation for such an action.I want hear the why of this right now.
Btw Px, suiciding restarts the day, so time should not be an issue. If I were about to be lynched, I'd use the special ability to in effect give town a double lynch. Anybody able to do so should do the same.Comments like this will blow up in your face for gaming the mod so stop doing it.
Schezo your hate against me is stretching. Like,This is a hilarious comment from someone who was going to open with a wall on
I'll go back to this because he was content to hop on Shadoweh as the 2nd vote while pointing out what could have been a Post Restriction for the lack of anything better to do. Affinity and Mavv's votes feel out of place as wellMy second post in the game had I not posted.
The way I parsed PX's vote for Dormio, he seemed to voting him not only because Dormio's vote was quick but also because it was weak. Considering that Dormio was voting for PX solely because he said that Shadoweh seemed town (which can be seen as somewhat weak), why haven't Schezo and huhwhat addressed this?That's amazing that you got something else from PX's vote. The way I read that was hypocrisy from a ladle and slinging it back in Dormio's face in the same way.
##Unvote
##Vote: Schezo
Schezo, if you find Dan so bad, then why are you voting PX? What makes Dan's 'cheerleading' worse than PX's hypocrisy?
Bardiche's opening post seems like being contributive without contributing anything. Yes, cool, HW's logic is dumb, Shadoweh is vague, you're voting her for it. What else is going on? Your actual 'stance' on <anyone> is nonexisent. A prod vote does not excuse you from this.
I want hear the why of this right now.How do you know I'm town? O.o
I only see scum motivation to buddying up to and defending town this early in the game.
Are you seriously suggesting people should suicide themselves so Town gets "an extra lynch"? What the actual fuck. You're going to have to explain why you think any scum should willingly murder themselves, why any TOWN should willingly murder themselves and why this won't horribly backfire on Town when a Townie refusing to suicide becomes the next day's lynch and thereafter? No, I cannot see benefits to this approach. It sounds wholesomely dumb.WoAh tAkE It eAsY BrO. Let's use say, Dormio as an example. Dormio is at L-1 and is about to be lynched, within the hour. There aren't enough people around to change the lynch. Dormio is town with the ability to claim to be awesome and kills himself. It IS beneficial for the townie to reset the day by effectively modkilling himself. It skips the scum kill. Of course scum wouldn't kill themselves, they prooobably don't have the ability to as we've seen that not all true-claims have the same wording. I quirk a brow at how YOU wouldn't see the benefits in scum suspects taking themselves out of the picture. If they don't suicide there is nothing stopping them from being lynched.
Stop jokevoting this late into the game. Your contributions thus far are "Person X is Town", and most egregiously you vote Dormio, later declare him Town, keep your vote on him until you swap to Schezo with the words "Wasn't jokevoting him yet!" and "Schezo is scum, die!".PrEtTy sUrE I CoNtRiBuTeD MoRe tHeN ThAt aCtUaLlY BuT SuRe. Dormio is town for being the one to say people should stop mass-claiming on Day 1, a very townie sentiment. It's much better then vote because lolDormio.
Explain why Schezo is scum for those of us who aren't inebriated, if you'd please, and stop playing the game like some lunatic who broke out of an asylum. Telling us "Person X isn't scum, stop voting him" is nice and all, but you're not exactly providing any reasoning for your reads much. Words to content ratio is too low.HeY I DiDn't lIvE In nO AsYlUm. I'M HiGh cAsTe hErE BrO. aS FoR LuNaTiC, yOu dOn't kNoW MuCh aBoUt gAmZeE Do yOu? You can rail all you like but I don't have to give a reason for that one. PX isn't scum and voting someone for saying someone is town is so five games ago. The votes come down to 'OMG YOU SAID SOMETHING WEIRD LYNCH IT'. Tell me why PX is scum since I went through the trouble of explaining twice now for you who the townies are.
I didn't fake-claim, damnit.NaH YoU WeRe aLl lEgIt. NoT AlIgNeD WiTh tOwN LoOkS LiKe a zOmBiE AnD CaN KiLl pEoPlE! wHeRe's mY GuN..
why this won't horribly backfire on Town when a Townie refusing to suicide becomes the next day's lynch and thereafter?When did I say that "anybody who doesn't suicide is automatically scum"? Some people don't even suicide when trueclaiming, as shown by Shadoweh.
How do you know I'm town? O.oPoint in question. You're just poking at stuff to start shit.
You can rail all you like but I don't have to give a reason for that one. PX isn't scum and voting someone for saying someone is town is so five games ago. The votes come down to 'OMG YOU SAID SOMETHING WEIRD LYNCH IT'. Tell me why PX is scum since I went through the trouble of explaining twice now for you who the townies are.Because the game suddenly went to "Everyone explain your townreads and vote scum but don't tell us"
I'm not getting a good vibe from how you're pursuing Dan. You gave him the benefit of the doubt before because he "could be derptown". You're now digging through his posts to accuse him of faulty logic and, somehow, this is a scumtell and definitely not derptown-ish. To me it seems like you're just pressing every part of his posts you can find in order to build your case, which implies that you're desperate to do so, or just focusing on him in specific, either of which aren't the townie way of doing things.Really, digging you say?
You know, 3 people ostensibly have the same ability to prevent a lynch while you "botch" your ability and are unsure of what happened. Going "STOP ROLEFISHING" while you are unaccountable for your own role is jarring to me.All I can say is: wat.
Let me go over the thought process.
"O god Dan is exposing my role that I don't even know wtf it did, O GOD STOP IT NOW!"
When did Px not understand the concept of 'true claims'?
With Schezo/:VShadoweh/Affinity/Hero/Px clueless.
How was it kneejerk?"Whee, somepony said somepony was town, LET'S VOTE HER!"
PX is heavily exaggerating Dormio's vote while at the same time defending Dans actions when he put Shadoweh to L -3 vs Dormio's what, 1st vote on you PX?What? I vote Dormio for voting me for stating somepony is town, while two other ponies asked without voting. And what about me putting Shadoweh to L-3, RVS wagons never take off to a lynch. And defending Dan? I'm just taking huhwhat's logic and explaining my thoughts on why it's wrong. Otherwise, wouldn't I be able to say you're defending Dormio for the exact same reasons.
Pot, you are black much more than the kettle you accuse.
Btw what is OMGUS"Oh my God, you suck."
That vote was way too kneejerk, trying to get a quick mislynch wagon?Do you not see your own disconnect calling a 1 vote wagon a "quicklynch" or what?
Either way, on my PoV, suiciding IS a bad idea. I'd prefer to lose a VT and get a clue on who can be scum than try another lynch. Every nightkill the mafia does gives us clues on who can be scum (due to their previous actions), so it sounds fair to let them kill someone, giving us new leads, on most cases.sdgdfgfdgh *gargles*
Serela, you're going to contribute something that isn't setup speculation later, right?It was the only thing going on ed1 for me to talk about anyway :c Plus sleepiness. At least at the end I went "Hey let's just stop because it's probably NOT going to help" but anyway post time!
everyone here should know by now etcetcetcokay maybe not the new people, but
Stop acting like you deserve to be slapped in public.
If you want to attack me for being useless, I can easily name several being more useless then me right now but are simply less obvious about it, so it'd be barking up the wrong tree.You should probably do this actually. People who are being useless in a less obvious way are good scum candidates.
You should probably do this actually. People who are being useless in a less obvious way are good scum candidates.well sure fine, but while I know what you mean, the problem is it's happening in ways that are, well, you decide for yourself
I'm just not making pressure on people because I don't have uncovered topics to go on.How do you expect to find scum without pressure, broskies? Pressure them until the scum slip up.
Not gonna pair up with anyone, because that's just my playstyle.Nobody's telling you to do this, broskies.
@ActionDan: 50 feels like something thrown out there to get something going. But I get this feeling that I can't explain when I look at it while considering Schezo's words.Later you say this, which sounds like you believe Dan's claim is true (that's about the only thing I can draw from it since I have no idea what the hell this is suposed to mean. The posts concerning making townies suicide are connected because Dan brought it up and we were talking about his and huh what's claims.
If we consider ActionDan's claim from his role PM, that seppuku resets the day. From what I think of it, this connect to some of the other posts in the game concerning making townies suicide or letting a lynch go off.
dodging. Hold me to post in ~2 hours.
:D A Dan post should be hitting the topic right about now.... :(
@Serela: Abusing meta tells?not really, everyone seems pretty content to think I do it as both town and scum anyway (honestly I'd have just voted Maav if I was scum because I could get away with it without looking really questionable but :shrug: I could totally be WIFOMing if I was scum now, I guess?)
Thing is that he ignores other people who have done one or two of these actions as well (e.g me), leading me to doubt his intent behind his Dan case. Will keep my vote on him.With more examples if what I'm doing is such a prevalent and scummy thing.
BT is misinterpreting my post, which is more along the lines of "The reason I'm not really saying more is because if you do it will be like last game where I posted like a whole mafia game page worth of STREAM OF CONSCIOUSNESS BLAH BLAH BLAH RANDOM DRIVEL" and irritated the hell out of a lot of the players :V Not really trying to convince anyone I'm town, they don't have any particular reason to think that right now!What I was referring to:
I'm voting PX because I got nothing and everyone here should know by now that the most you can get out of me right now is a repeat of last game's D1.So you want people to not press you because you'll do bad, the example being: last time. What I didn't like about this, and still don't like about this, is that you're basically expecting people to excuse your bad play, based on former games. "Don't press me or I'll do bad just like last time", when what happened 'last time' was a confused town flip, basically translates to "don't press me or you will get a wrong scum read on me". Pressing you turned out to be bad last game, because you were town. It is unknown if pressing you will be bad this game as well, because we don't know if you're town or not.
Now does anyone -really- want that?
@BT, if this is a repeat of last game who besides serela do you think is scum?What?
Also FYI i was naked posting thisWhat?
I dont like how youre actively lurking. All ive seen from you is that you want to avoid everyones reads by flying solo and not bringing up actual cases. Your vote on huhwhat, either im still so bad or you didnt post a reason for your vote. If its me being bad, could you clarify why you voted huh what?
Would you please add some input to the Dan/PX/Dormio/Schezo thing going on Maav?
@Huh what: I do not see where I actually attacked Shadoweh, rather then just state my opinion on the matter.HI HERO YOU DO REMEMBER YOU'RE VOTING FOR ME RIGHT?
I also do not see where I disagreed with Maav, and was just asking for clarification on his vote on you.
Where are you pulling some of these..."information" from?
@Shadoweh: Your words, are they trying to be serious or humorous?When it comes to voting you right now I'm DeAd mOtHeRfUcKiNg sErIoUs aNd sHiT. You're asking questions to try and sound like you're looking for answers because you have no idea what to say. As scum. Your questions don't have anything to do with pursuing scum suspects, you're only asking why people are attacking you. Because that's all you're interested in. As scum.
Let me guess, most of your thought process was based on the last sentence of my last post wasn't it?
@Huh what: I do not see where I actually attacked Shadoweh, rather then just state my opinion on the matter.Your vote was on Shadoweh and you did not state any other scum suspects, so I assumed the disagreement was your reason for voting her. If it isn't, then who is scum and why the hell do you still not have a serious vote down? There's no excuse for not scumhunting this far into the day.
@shadoweh couldnt hero just be lazy, and just wanted to get a post out. Its how i see it from reading your post. Also why hero over shezo?Lazy, yes. Just wanting to get a post out? Yes. The second is exactly why I believe him to be scum. He's not suspicious of anyone, he's just asking questions to sound that way. There is no 'just' in this, he's getting a post out to sound like he's thinking.
Also FYI i was naked posting thiswhy would you do this
Making some pressure on someone in L-4 or under is just too dangerous. (The mafia probably wouldn't speedlynch out of LYLO, though)Uhh, what.
Still not happy with Schezo. His case on Dan is a cocktail of disconnected reasons (defending PX, spouting bullshit in his vote for Schezo, rolefishing). Thing is that he ignores other people who have done one or two of these actions as well (e.g me), leading me to doubt his intent behind his Dan case. Will keep my vote on him.
Let me clarify my post a bit.waaaaaat
Assuming that huhwhat is scum and noone did any pressure on his partners yet. If there's a L-1 for a suicidal, he suicides, and there's some time for the scums to manipulate town into lynching another townie. If they got the night, there'd be:
1 - A dead townie (unless any of the protective roles did their job right);
2 - A investigation/track attempt, which could clearly spot one of the scums, and that leads the town closer to the other scums.
With another day they'd have an almost sure-fire dead townie.
@Huh what: I do not see where I actually attacked Shadoweh, rather then just state my opinion on the matter.well you -are- voting her
@shadoweh i will never understand why you voted shezo then :XThat's cool, you don't need to understand how Gamzee trolls. Is this worrisome to you?
@Shadoweh: You say that you think that Schezo, PX and I are townie, what do you think of Dan in that case? Do you hate anyone that isn't Hero at this point?Dan feels eh. I know he's lurking too. I just don't hate him enough. The level of venom I feel towards Hero superseeds all others at this moment. You do not understand the depths of my locked on scum hatred. I do declare I would threaten to no-lynch in preference to voting for someone else right now. Don't play chicken with me, I'll crash before letting this one go. @_@
I guess it would depend how long he wants to troll-case me.
I don't think his case is trolling so much as looking for somebody he can push a mislynch on.
BT is right about your stances, your attacks on me are a faulty PoV argument and that Shadoweh vote is a prod which becomes worthless if she does explain her vote. None of your attacks have any real lasting power, it's all just pressure on people for playing in a manner that can be construed as "weird". It gives me the impression that you're looking for bad town play to pick at instead of hunting scum, and that's a scum approach to D1.
Bard: I don't recall promoting refusing to suicide as scummy, or even saying "all good townies would suicide under pressure", so while I have a better understanding of your objections to what I proposed now, it seems like you're putting words into my mouth.
I don't get why Schezo is scummy, need explanation.Me either, but I'm using to thinking people are scummy without being sure why, so! :3
It was either naive Town or sneaky Scum, and in any case I do not automatically default to naive Town with players of Huh What's calibre.This is like the third time you've overhyped me as a player while attacking me. I'd think you'd have come to the conclusion that I'm Serela levels of bad at this game by now after saying stuff like this. :ohdear:
As for the BT case, I'm having a hard time following it, since from what I can tell it doesn't boil down to "Serela is useless" so much as "Serela is smokescreen by abusing his meta"."As for the BT case, I'm having a hard time following it, since from what I can tell BT's Serela vote doesn't boil down to "Serela is useless" so much as "Serela is smokescreening by abusing his meta"."
So Shadoweh, you're saying that you have absolutely no other comments in regards to the game until Hero is dead?Are you claiming I've said nothing about anyone else in my previous posts? That's what it sounds like you're doing.
You have reminded me of something I want to ask BT: Why did you randomly name claim?uhhhh (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11974.msg787414.html#msg787414)
Are you claiming I've said nothing about anyone else in my previous posts? That's what it sounds like you're doing.What I'm saying is that you have no scumreads other than Hero999.
Is that suposed to link to me nameclaiming? It links to Serela randomly saying stuff. I do not retract the question!posts per page differences i....
But anyways, the point is they didn't do all of these things in conjunction and or were doing other things that give me a town read to them. Just because I hold these reasons against him doesn't mean it should end all be all who I'm going to fos because scum can easily dodge me if that were the case.
Also its really hard to push a case on someone who hasnt really posted much or answered anyones questions"This person is not posting much and when he does post he's not answering anyone's questions."
HI HERO YOU DO REMEMBER YOU'RE VOTING FOR ME RIGHT?
When it comes to voting you right now I'm DeAd mOtHeRfUcKiNg sErIoUs aNd sHiT. You're asking questions to try and sound like you're looking for answers because you have no idea what to say. As scum. Your questions don't have anything to do with pursuing scum suspects, you're only asking why people are attacking you. Because that's all you're interested in. As scum.
@Shadoweh: In post 240 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11974.msg788737.html#msg788737) you're practically just fluffing around now. "Oh I think affinity is a kinda scummy"thatsthejoke.jpg
If I am so blatantly scummy. Why the hell are you not searching for others?This is a dumb question.
If I am so blatantly scummy, why are you seemingly "unable" to search at others?This is the same question asked in a different way. It's also a question that I answered already and you never needed to ask.
I feel as if you are just throwing bullshit out now to answer questions.I think you're mistaking my name for Hero999.
I fail to see what Shadoweh's jump off of Schezo has to do with BT: BT clearly states he finds both Schezo and Shadoweh worthy of mention as scummy, but it is not clear why he sticks to Serela and votes Serela for the exact same reasons Serela is voted every game: being annoying and self-depreciative.
As for Dormio, I defended PX because I thought what huhwhat and Schezo were pushing on him were potentially scummy with regards to the 'kneejerk' thing. Turns out that it is somewhat so for Schezo's case.I wasn't even sure this was a shot at me the first time I read it but you're just passively attacking me.
The PX thing happened long enough ago that he's content to pin it on me now for the sake of having "fresh reasons" to give on me every time he posts.
I think he slipped before with the discussion of true claims. Considering my Pm, I highly doubt Hero found it after having to reread his role. It's also kinda one of those those things were you see your ROLE NAME. Considering he knew these existed, I sensed he had potentially long scum flavor and some sort of sample town role pm which might include the formatting for a true-claim.Because I'm going to say it once again my PM had none of the details what so ever that most of you all started the day yammering about. And calling Hero bad for it is why I don't feel comfortable on this wagon because my scum suspects are getting on in less than desirable ways.
You have reminded me of something I want to ask BT: Why did you randomly name claim?I find it ironic that... *notices HW's #236* Oh. Hi5.
I find BT scummy for latching onto an all-too-easy case.'Latching' implies that I've stuck to that case for who knows how long, which is hardly the case at all. This is also where your 'tunneling' accusation comes from, which is almost the same thing and is wrong for the same reason. Also, there's the whole point that I could have easily gone for an easier case, were I looking for one. Hero was awkward, Maav was scumhunting badly, not to mention how Serela is widely considered town (and was considered town even then). Point being, this is just a bad attempt at twisting the rationale behind my vote.
He is pursuing an obvious problem, which is present at each game, and pretends this is so novel all else deserves no mention.Are you still pretending that my case is "you're useless" and not "you're abusing your past meta to make people not scumhunt you?" This line makes no sense otherwise. Unless you're telling me that this abuse of meta is part of his meta. I really, really do not want to believe that.
The newbie/Serela circus is too uninteresting to really comment on.Uh? So, what's worse? Prodding lurkers or disregarding them outright?
##Vote: BT, for being actively scummy by latching onto an easy case and refusing to do anything else with his time, while pretending to keep an active check on all players.So, let's look at this case again. Points #1 and #2 are exaggerated at best, false at worst. Point #3 is just there to make the case look better, seeing as you can't prove it. All it boils down to is baseless mud-slinging.
Maav's active lurking while ignoring questions directed at him is worse than Serela's random bullshit mainly because I find the person pushing Serela is scum to meActually, about this. What exactly is your read on me and how strong is it? The latter quote suggests full commitment to Scum!BT while everything else that you do suggests otherwise. Or, if I word that differently, everything you do suggests that you want me to improve, therefore no full conviction, while your read on Serela (and Serela in specific) suggests otherwise.
everything you do suggests that you want me to improve, therefore no full conviction, while your read on Serela (and Serela in specific) suggests otherwise.
Dans Hero case was fine until this BS started:Because I'm going to say it once again my PM had none of the details what so ever that most of you all started the day yammering about. And calling Hero bad for it is why I don't feel comfortable on this wagon because my scum suspects are getting on in less than desirable ways.Yeah but Hero actually backtracked and implied it was in his PM.
Guys, stop trying to use Role PMs to game the game. Seriously, stop it.
Dormio: Who do you think is scum?Dislike Dan, Affinity, Serela, and Hero.
You seem to be obsessed with questioning me to the exclusion of pursuing your case. :VIT'S KIND OF HARD TO PURSUE A CASE WHEN YOUR TARGET OF INTEREST JUST DISAPPEARS FOR THE ENTIRE DAY.
His first post was a bad attempt at contributing, as I've noted in the past. Aside from that, all he's been doing is this ill-thought case and... meaningless back-and-forth with HW? Really, the scum motivation behind his behavior has already been covered by other posts and I'm in agreement.
The whole tunneling point he presented against me also becomes hypocrisy here, seeing as I could directly compare my 'latching onto a case and not doing much else' to what he's doing right now. Other things I've pointed out in this post only add to my scum read here.
I have no idea if it removes their vote, and it was only one time use.You're claiming to be a Vanillizer? >_> Not a roleblocker, but someone with the one-shot ability to remove all of someone's powers?
I think shadoweh and rawr are scum, personally. their focus on hero was quite odd, and rawr said he "found [hero] to be the scummiest"
Actually, skimming Hero's posts, I don't see anything on those matters anywhere! You sure haven't attacked Shadoweh, considering your vote on her is your jokevote from page 2. He seems to have forgotten entirely that he has a vote and that he should be decide who he thinks is more likely to be scum.^serelas reason for hero, it doesnt even look like a reason or case on hero999 .then later comments about being 3rd on the wagon .Why does your position on the wagon matter? too look less scummy?
##Vote Hero999
Affinity: Why did you give in so easily? You commented on how outrageous I was being pushing my wagon, but you don't sound like you care enough to give a reason besides 'I have to and it looks good enough'. I would argue you didn't have to at this point if you'd wanted something better.
Refer to #251 for some :words:.
In addition, for one that was getting highly involved in the quadrangle thing, what with you defending PX and arguing Schezo scum, how come you don't mention yourself?
Want to avoid the spotlight?
Yesterday, I did focus on Bardiche as well.Why can I never remember your posts?
Also, I'm not sure what you mean by 'mentioning myself' in the quadrangle, which was already obsolete midway into D1; who mentions himself in a Mafia game outside of a roleclaim except as defence?I dunno, guess I'm just saying that I disliked that thing with the "look at X, Y, and Z".
Also, what happened to your beef on ActionDan from yesterday?It's still there. I just want him to freaking post first before I do anything.
I've to say that huhwhat's D1 content has been unsatisfactory ever since his vote on Hero999, due to him mostly defending himself and picking low hanging fruit in the form of newbie questioning like these (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11974.msg788678.html#msg788678). With his rather underwhelming vote on rawr coming into today, I'm not sure how his admirable questioning on others ED1 has influenced his reads on others, such as his prior scumread on PX, which seemed to have disappeared into today. These require explanation, especially given that despite all the above, the only substantial opinion I could see from him towards the end of D1 was a suspicion on rawr and a vote on Hero999.I may have only had two scum reads at the end of D1, but I'm pretty sure that's enough for D1 (or any early day, really) in a 14 player game. My other stances were clear from my posts - I stopped considering Bard after his response to me which was IMO reasonable and disagreed with the BT/Serela/Schezo/Dan cases for various reasons. I'd point you to re-read the bottom of this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11974.msg788631.html#msg788631) for the first three, and this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11974.msg788170.html#msg788170) for why I didn't support the Schezo and Dan cases. As far as I'm aware, none of the cases evolved to the point where I should have had to bring up why I didn't agree with them a second time, so they still stood even later in the day.
##Vote: Huhwhat
I unvoted maav because his lynch wasnt going anywhere, so i used my not-reason reason to vote hero999. I cant tell if you are blaming me for the hammer on hero999, but if you are fuck off i didnt expect headcrabs to vote him. I cant see why youre only getting on me because of no reason. What about serela and headcrabs? did you not find it weird how serela counted his position on the hero999 wagon? I also like how you try to appeal to people or seemed to have pressured me into voting hero999, but next day decide to question me about it... was this some kind of trap?"What about Serela and Headcrabs" comes off as "Why me and not them?". I haven't blamed you for anything. Why do you assume the worst? If you believe Serela and Headcrabs are suspicious, why aren't you pursuing or voting either of them?
Dan, whenever you feel the need to grace us with your presence, I'd like the following from you:
- A claim
- A list of who you think is scum
You never addressed my qualms with you in #115.
Affinity in #317 points out a lot of issues with your #264.
That first paragraph is all sorts of "wtf". So by sheer virtue of ED1 setup-gaming, you're going to conveniently clear Serela, HW, and, more importantly, yourself?
What made Hero scummy for asking Shadoweh to provide alternate scumreads but not me?
What made Hero not scumhunting scummy when compared to people like Maav and herdcarbs, who you listed as probable town?
Just to clarify, kidnapped is not related to the game, right?
i gUeSs iT'S NoT A TrEe-sTuMp lIkE I ThOuGhT, sO I'M A LiTtLe sAd fAcEd.
Stop voting PX seriously. Also I think Schezo is scum this game! For real reals!
As far as I know, Affinity is the only person to have said I was really scummy beyond the D1 post. What do you feel is the scum motivation behind my D1 actions?Let's see... you prodded Shadoweh and argued that HW is scummy only from the logic he's been using. Basically, voted for something you'd have no need to commit yourself to later on (and, indeed, you seem to be reading Shadoweh as town now) and showed dislike on someone over things you disagree with. I see no scumhunting here and only fake productivity.
I dunno, I think I made a pretty big deal out of how I think You and Huh What are scummy.And, like I said a few lines above, the thing is that your 'accusations' against HW were your disagreement with him, nothing to follow up with a real lynch effort. The only one you've showed true "let's lynch this man" conviction against is me.
You call my case "exaggerated at best", citing my accusation of tunnel-vision. However, up to that point you had devoted most of your posts solely to Serela and complaining that Serela is scummy and smokescreening. How is that an exaggeration of your tunnelling?I fail to understand how pursuing a lone scumpick in a timeframe of 12 hours (at worst, as I haven't actually counted) is as horribly tunnel-ish as you present it, even until now. In addition, I wasn't the only one being "horrible tunnel-scum", in the way you presented it, at the time. Why am I, and only I, on the receiving end of this accusation?
Why do you feel it is an exaggeration to assert that you are not actively scumhunting and just flinging shit at Serela for things he always does?Help I'm still lost on how this is what he always does. Is horribly scum-like smoke-screening something he always does? This is unreasonable/illogical because you expect me to know that this is part of his meta and, therefore, take it as a good idea to pursue him for his meta, and it is exaggerated also because I had easier people to fling mud at if that was what I was aiming to do. You fail to consider the 12 (now 10) other players itg in contrast to what you're accusing me for, and this focus on me is why I accuse you of being just bad as you claim I am.
Why do you feel that asserting your case on Serela is weak is "a clean defence of Serela", which more than anything just seems to reek of OMGUS? "I think Serela is scummy. These people think my suspicions are bad, so I think they are defending someone I think is scummy". It's just one step further to call me scum for finding your push on Serela to be bogus and tunnelling.Wrong. The case isn't "they think I'm scummy --> they are defending Serela". The case is that "they're defending Serela only due to the fact that they think I am scummy". This is a scummy sort of defense. I don't understand how you completely misinterpreted what I was saying here.
Everything I said the day previous still stands. Add to that a lengthy OMGUS and a refusal to say anything on the Hero train save for some role-related speculation (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11974.msg789065.html#msg789065).About this. I noted in one of my posts that I find Hero excessively annoying to read. And, to be frank, I didn't want to read him so much that I delayed it for as long as I could. I had started rereading a few minutes before Headcrabs conveniently hammered the wagon, which was a thing. I see no need for your exaggerated use of the word 'refusal' here when I clearly stated that I would read Hero. May I also remind you that you were the one who was conveniently away for late-D1 while supporting the Hero wagon beforehand?
I dislike how BT jumped off the Schezo wagon for negligible reasons after it lost Shadoweh's support, only to vote unlikely lynch targets for the rest of the day without having any particularly strong opinions on other players or pushing his reads.A few problems with this.
On a re-read of the Hero wagon I am nothing wiser. Schezo and Serela seem to have jumped on Hero solely to secure a lynch, which prompted Rawr and Affinity to jump on Hero to secure a lynch and in the end it doesn't really seem like the best use of our majority. Entirely excusable in that Hero made no attempts to ever do anything vaguely resembling Town activity, making it clear to me that this Day 1 was a useless pile of dung."Guy had it coming, we should totally forget about D1 and whatever else might've happened in it". What is this, anyway?
I didn't actually count the timeframe either, I just looked at your posts and saw the majority were devoted to Serela, with a few throw-away lines on how others need to post and Shadoweh and whatshisface were scummy. It's tunnelling because you don't really mention anyone else in any other capacityLet's stop being dodgy and answer this, shall we? Let's assume that town ol' me had a bad read which was improving (Schezo) and another bad read that really bugged me (Serela), everything else being foggy. What was the best I could do but pursue that second read and prompt others to post more?You need to explain why this is obviously scum-driven and is not acceptable for town. You also need to explain why I'm the only one at fault for doing this.
It's a misrepresentation to say that I am discarding your case on Serela because I think you're scummy: I'm discarding it because your case comes down to "Serela is Serela: that is scummy".You keep disregarding my argument that this is not Serela's usual activity (for what I know with the limited time playing here) and I would have no reason to suspect him if I felt that was the case.
If you're going to use the fact I had family problems to state I was "conveniently away", I think you really need to learn what arguments to pick and which not. Right now, I think levelling such an argument has all the makings of being an arsehole and an inconsiderate dick. Having real life problems should never be grounds to lynch someone or accuse them of scummy activity.Surely I'm a big dick and I wanted to show this to everyone so I thought it was a good idea to say you were gone for the crystal-clear reason that you had 'family issues' and obviously encourage a lynch for that reason, and surely it was a good idea and was very appropriate for you to showcase itg how big of a dick I am. And in case it wasn't blatantly obvious, this is sarcasm.
Surely I'm a big dick and I wanted to show this to everyone so I thought it was a good idea to say you were gone for the crystal-clear reason that you had 'family issues' and obviously encourage a lynch for that reason, and surely it was a good idea and was very appropriate for you to showcase itg how big of a dick I am.
You keep disregarding my argument that this is not Serela's usual activity (for what I know with the limited time playing here) and I would have no reason to suspect him if I felt that was the case.
Let's stop being dodgy and answer this, shall we? Let's assume that town ol' me had a bad read which was improving (Schezo) and another bad read that really bugged me (Serela), everything else being foggy. What was the best I could do but pursue that second read and prompt others to post more?You need to explain why this is obviously scum-driven and is not acceptable for town. You also need to explain why I'm the only one at fault for doing this.
What is this, anyway?
Perhaps you can elucidate what about Serela makes you feel he is not being his usual self. Serela talking about how useless he is is fairly normal to me.Stuff like this:
I'm voting PX because I got nothing and everyone here should know by now that the most you can get out of me right now is a repeat of last game's D1.In which he explains that he is useless and that is a reason to not pressure him into contributing. Self-discrediting is one thing, but doing so for the wrong reasons is another thing and reeks IMO, even now.
Now does anyone -really- want that?
You pursued Schezo after you started homing in on Serela? I am continuously missing this. Please point out where this is the case.It isn't the case. 'My second read' is the second read I've mentioned, not my second most scummiest read. So, it's Schezo, then Serela. Not the other way around.
It is scum-driven to focus on one person because you will have a reasonable excuse to avoid commenting on others. It is scum-driven because asking for people to post more looks reasonable on the surface level but in actuality does not achieve much if anything, does not make clear what your thoughts are and does not exhibit an interest in the content they have provided already, only a decree that they need to post more, which is an act they would naturally follow given opportunity. Since scum love looking active and pro-active, calling out people for not doing the obvious is a good way to seem that way.This is only one half of the explanation. Why, in the situation I have explained, is it not understandable for town to be acting in this obviously scummy manner?
It's just an action that does nothing.
That I gleaned nothing interesting from examining the Hero bandwagon: I only note some people jumped on it for the sake of acquiring a majority lynch, which at the same time was understandable and not something I'd hold against them as a chief point of scumminess.Yes, this is one thing. However, going "Hero's wagon sucked, therefore this day sucked and is completely worthless" is another thing.
##Vote: Shadoweh.Historically when you get a role that says 'claim in thread' and you think you're the only one that has it, it means you become a tree stump. I didn't find out what my true-claim did, at all, until I used it. Which is why I have to ask, when you used your power, did you get to choose Schezo directly? Gamzee is a serial killer flavorwise, and there was only one death last night.
Tree stump my ass. Didn't like your D1 antics. The two people you rallied against on day one were town. Gamzee is scum flavorwise, too. That's all I have to say.
So huhwhattles is Kanaya? Coolbeans!>_> Serela, I started reading Homestuck as of this game starting. How could you possibly not know who Huh what is.
Also... yeah, huhwhat got the revival role again, it seems :V Well then! I'm all for it, sounds pretty awesome.
Dormio does this thing where he voices his dislike of Hero but does not vote due to not having a strong enough read, and then because Dan doesn't respond to him. The latter, even if true, is a bad excuse for not manning up and joining a wagon you're fine with. What I find odd about this time period of passiveness is that he continues to act as a plank between Hero's and Shadoweh's accusations, often commenting on good points Hero or Shadoweh have made or questioning either of them on -stuff-. When he doesn't actually take a stance while doing this, he's only making the whole Shadoweh vs Hero thing take a bigger spotlight than it should, and almost effortlessly at that, and this is fishy.Before I finish reading, just came across this.
Lastly, for someone who dislikes lurker prodding, you have certainly done so here, possibly to masquerade content on others, by your reasoning.
who mentions himself in a Mafia game outside of a roleclaim except as defence?Quoting for irony.
Shadoweh is town for picking up town reads on Serela + Huhwhat and in general getting town to focus in the right directions.Where the first part reads as "Shadoweh is Town for having the same views as me", which reads as buddying up.
If I were about to be lynched, I'd use the special ability to in effect give town a double lynch. Anybody able to do so should do the same., however, today he claims,
(after a lynch occurs during twilight, that's why there was a pause before Hero flipped. I chose not to save him.)... so there's no "about to be lynched", there's only "WHEN I am lynched".
The only thing remotely resembling a lurker prod there is... my comment that Rawr is useless. Which more expresses my idea that he is, in fact, useless than anything, as far as I care.
Again, I would like him to explain what his case on me is, and why he feels that I was prodding lurkers by asking for specific answers.
There's also the problem where you downright state you'd lynch Hero not for being scummy but just opaque and bad, which you later change to minor justification in "reactive scumhunting". Why did you first state you'd lynch him for being "a liability" and then later come with a more legitimate reason to agree to his lynch?
Affinity, every comment you've made in the BT vs Bardiche fight has said they're a load of bull, and that BT sounds worse. How does this equate to your vote on Bardiche and the fact you haven't listed BT as a suspect?
Anyway, Dan. Dan does this thing in his first post where he rolefishes immediately for Shadoweh, And unless we outguess the mod, this seems a thing, first line, since why would the mod tell some Townies that "all Town can true-claim" but not every Townie? That just seems weird. At the same time it seems tantamount to suicide for scum to outright claim so, so I'm willing to chalk it up to Bastard Mod, while at the same time I find it worthy enough to mention and think about. My gut tells me it's scum and logic dictates that it's possibly just Chaore is a Bastard Mod. (And given we have a Vanilla who True-Claimed as Vanilla, it seems Role Madness also includes "lolfakevanilla", so...)
But at the moment ActionDan's discrepancy in claims, his interest in rolefishing and his case on Hero is basically "Hero couldn't possibly have made a mistake", which is a bogus reason to lynch someone, take precedence over Affinity.
=.= No, you'd be trying to kill me if you were, I think.##Vig Shadoweh ❤
>_> Are you seriously threatening me? Right after I said you're probably town? You're welcome you ungrateful *****
If I don't come back, tell Dormio it's okay to hydra without me, he deserves a good partner..But it's you I want, not someone else! Do you think that I would settle for some replacement instead of the real you?!
Dan suspicious for bad read on Bardiche
Bard, this is what Dan meant by giving the town another lynch, he thought he could govern himself and die to reset his lynch.
I'd rather confirm myself by suciding than be lynched.
So lets try to play, after reading through Dormios and Dans posts I found some points that could use some clarification.Hi Dorian!
@Dormio: I have seen you asking a lot of questions but to be honest I find it quite difficult to tell where you have your priorities. As far as I can see is your currently order Dan is scum, PX is scummy and his flip ?provides information?, Affinity is scummy too and Sarela is useless. Is this correct?
I can agree with the first one, mostly cause Dans case on Bared don't strikes me as true and his attempt to justify his distracting setup speculations is just beyond good and evil, but I'm not sure if I see how PX flip would be ?helpful in helping you to organize your thoughts?.
Dan is suspicious for other reasons. Any reason you choose to misrep it as that?Shadoweh's Summaries(TM) Do not promise to be as accurate as your wall of text. If you feel you're being misrepresented include a summary of the reasons you think are correct for your money back.
id put dormio for being town day vig, but i would be suspicious if he vigged the wrong person...Uhh... wat?
If Dormio does not want to entertain this vig, he should explain in detail as to why.Because I'd rather shoot PX or Dan. That, and I'm inclined to agree with Shadoweh in that his role looks town.
The idea would be that he doesn't govern the primary lynch, but a secondary person that we don't mind losing if he is lying scum. We had the same argument about capt.h's claim. I keep wavering over this because of how risky proving a governor could be,, but I think I'm going to stand firm.
The idea would be that he doesn't govern the primary lynch, but a secondary person that we don't mind losing if he is lying scum. We had the same argument about capt.h's claim. I keep wavering over this because of how risky proving a governor could be,, but I think I'm going to stand firm. Dan isn't scum. He claimed to be able to die too early, and he claimed he can prove it to us when people were looking to lynch him.
That said I am thinking Bard is scummier than Schezo and I'll put this into words shortly. (Also Schezo voting for Hero is pro-town)This is actually the first time you mention Bardiche at all but more important do I find the fact that you think he is scummier as Schezo for doing the same thing.
Other town people but not as confirmed town as HW/Serela/Shadoweh: BT, Affinity (I was debating this read, but calling Schezo and Bard's scumhunting methods "1+1+1" is true for Schezo certainly and is applicable to Bard's BT case), Dormio (doesn't sit on his hands while his vote is on me, yet constantly bringing my name up shows he has a geniune vested interest in my response to the case he made on me). Possible additions to town list: Headcrabs, Maav, Px.
I just got a pm from capt.h discouraging our line of discourse. Suffice it to say I about 1/2 - 2/3 the amount for each category.Interesting is here that you are willing to let you top scum pick fall for your second and that for something that you call yourself an potential fake claim one post later. That wouldn't be that bad on it's own but ...
Considering your roleclaim, we could lynch someone else, go to night, have you suicide. I'd hope your ability takes priority over everything in that case. Do you have to claim it during the day in thread before the lynch resolves?
If we plan on doing this, I'd want to lynch Bard.
Hero was by far my strongest lead, and I was dissipointed when I read the D1 lynch scene again to realize he was not actually a serial killerIt don't fits together with that amount of emphasis you put here into Hero being your ?strongest lead?. I also have to assume that this rereads never happened.
Yes, unmigated claims confirming the validity of other claims is towns way of trying to disseminate information given our limited knowledge.
Asking her about others without specifying which others exactly and why those others.... looked like a blatant attempt to distract her tunnel for even a second. Hero was incapable of giving anything to shadoweh because he had no suspects or reads, barring weak gestures towards me and shadoweh.
Headcrabs claimed what I thought was a vig while all the while abusing his power with glee e.g. "I'm GONNA DESTROY YOU!". Sounds like a happy townie. Maav is mostly gut. His votes for Hw didn't look like any Scum Push, and he talked enough that I wasn't thinking it was a votepark.
Gonna re-read Rawr and Bard.
Bard the wording "about to be lynched" refered to twilight if I reached a lynch threshold. It doubled as a meaning for the others who could suicide before day end to confirm themselves also.
It's true I haven't made a case for you Bard, I never liked you after you attacked Shadoweh and BT with bull-shit logic. I simply haven't taken the time to pit-bull you as D1 I was busy and today Hero's flip was a downer (and I was kidnapped).And what surprise, it really isn't you case cause you have non and you never had one at all. All you have is an dislike of his ?bull-shit logic?, needles to say that I find this plain inacceptable for a scum pick you already suspect since midday one.
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\o/ Hi Schezo!
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##Vote ActionDan
As Huh What said somewhere earlier, still expect PX to respond whenever he decides to actually reappear.
I also expect Shadoweh to actually do that thing where she posts a case on who she thinks is scum. Something that she seems highly averse to for some reason.
For someone who said that talking about trueclaims was on a need to know basis only and that it only served as role fishing (#50), you sure seem to be happy to speculate about it all you want later (#61).
#71 Why is Schezo voting Shadoweh at that point in time significant? Why not me, Hero, or PX?
Also in #71: All I can say is: wat.
Here's a thing. You yourself said that this shit was on a need to know basis, asking about it was like rolefishing.
So why are you calling someone out for telling people to stop talking about something that you yourself said we shouldn't discuss (even though you proceeded to blabber on about it anyway)?
Hypocrisy much?
And how the hell does buddying up at this point in the game make someone look townie? Why are you using this as justification for yourself buddying up to Serela? You know, you're kind of just trying to cover your own ass along with PX's here, which is suspicious as hell.
Read anyone saying "Hero was scummy so his wagon is useless to analyze." Do you remember when Affinity, who was scum last game, said this about Helepolis? That because he was scummy his wagon meant nothing? There's a reason the scum was saying it. It's because Hero was such an easy town lynch that there must be scum on his wagon. You better believe scum hopped on like there was a free candy sale. I fully believe if we lynch all three of the people left as suspects (four if you're willing to headcrabs) we'll find some scum there.
Bard, There is more than 1 scum. If people are dead set on thinking I'm scum and running me up, I don't get why town shouldn't be able to decide on a second lynch target that we think is scum. That way, if you think I'm fake-claiming scum and I don't govern the lynch, it should land on scum anyway and you could lynch me the next day for being lying scum. Otherwise I get to confirm myself without allowing scum an extra NK. What's so hard to understand here Bard?
While a 1-shot vanillizer vanillizing someone D1 and NK'ing them afterwards sounds like an inefficient way to play, I don't think it is that improbable. All they stand to lose is perhaps the chance to NK some townie role in exchange for some possible possible cred... so his role isn't really strong enough for me to discount him being scum.
Am in agreement with the Dan thing by Bardiche, BT and Dorian and would be willing to lynch/vig for the standard reasons. Not elaborating the case on Bardiche despite given over four days and a few sizeable posts to do it is really anti-town, regardless of his role which I don't believe seems town-affirming. Will try judging more clearly between headcrabs and Dan in their next two posts though.
Cut by Dan: We do not care about what defence you are offering yourself D1; who do you think is scum now and why? You have not answered that question well for over half the game now.
Do remember that last game, THERE WERE NO SCUM ON THE HELEPOLIS WAGON. Anyways, looking through your recent posts, WHERE DID SERELA GO?! And you're saying Dan is town, but you're saying that we should go after him?*goes back and rereads wagon* I thought I remembered Pesco being on there. Admittedly that disheartens me, but I think it's alright to assume Day 1 is going to be different then Day 3. Scum want to ride the town wagon. In that circumstance, all the scum were clustered on yet another town wagon. Where were the scum yesterday?
You're also assuming that his governing would be on Scum. Your entire argument is based around lynching Dan because he's going to stop us from lynching scum.
Your entire argument is based around lynching Dan because he's going to stop us from lynching scum.
If your vig doesn't reset the day, you need to use it now.Oh, hey, sweet. We're in the last 24 hours of the day. Let's make that the last 48 hours.
Misrepresentation. I clearly said that I worked under the assumption we'd pick a scapegoat to test with, and irrespective of their alignment, from Dan's perspective he would be murdering a confirmed Town (himself) in exchange for an unconfirmed alignment x. There's no profit and I don't see why Dan maintains that it is profitable to let him do this. Or why you maintain it is.Because the alternative is being lynched or using up our vig for being scummy and being murdered for no gain at all. Why would you want to be mislynched instead of vigging yourself? It doesn't matter if he knows his own alignment when other people are willing to kill him for it.
Until Chaore confirms Dan's claim would indeed reset the clock, I am not inclined to believe it will reset the clock: specifically because it resets the entire day, since his true claim would apparently have to be posted post-lynch.You're being unreasonable and asking for a condition that you know won't happen. This is you building a tunnel for yourself and refusing to believe there's an alternative. I've refuted you repeatedly and you refuse to acknowledge that.
Your speculation is silly in accusing me of going after Dan only because Dormio is expressing an interest in vigging as being somehow scummy. Even as Town, if a Vig says they'll vig person x or y, I'd want them to shoot the scummiest person. If I truly wanted to influence Dormio's shot, I would be taking responsibility also if the shot happens to be on Town. What exactly is scummy about pushing for a lynch on what I feel is scum?Why is it silly? Why aren't you suggesting that he vig BT? Why are you only interested in him vigging the popular guy of the hour instead of putting down reasons he should be vigging YOUR suspect. This is your chance to not have to argue with seven people, but to argue with one, to get your shot. Yet you want us to use it on Dan. Your changing of priority without thinking of how it applies to the argument you've been presenting is scummy.
Why aren't you suggesting that he vig BT?
Shadoweh, can you still refute my case based on the merits of Dan's content rather than go on some zealous nuttiness just because of his roleflip? I maintain that with the information provided there was no reason he would want to use his ability or should want to use it, and it provided no boon to Town.Dan's content wasn't that bad. At all. He was concentrating on trying to break the game open with assumptions about other people's roles based on his own. People saw his content as scummy because other people said he was scummy. I maintain that SCUM DON'T FUCKING CLAIM TO BE ABLE TO SUICIDE ON DAY 1. Do recall that I started pushing for you before the flip happened, yeah? With reasons why someone just might want to vig themselves instead of being vigged or lynched? When someone attacks a person I believe is town with bad logic that ignores reality and follows it up with an 'oh I still believe what I was saying despite that town flip right there' I assume that said person is pushing bad logic on a mislynch and aim my anti-scum cannons in their direction. You refuse to acknowledge that I've refuted your claim there was no benefit, repeatedly, and the fact you continue to refute it AFTER HE FLIPPED TOWN, DESPITE YOU WANTING TO WASTE THE DAY'S LYNCH ON HIM, makes me rage.
I never voted Dan with the hope he would be shot. I never even pointed to Dormio on who he should shoot save for BT's "how would you feel if Dan got vigged", as I never entertained the idea to influence the shot. If I have, then it means I am responsible for Dan's death, which still doesn't seem to jive with a Scum!Bardiche, as sacrificing myself for PX seems like a crazy thing to do. Especially if, as you speculate, I am Scum and you would hold me responsible to the extent of lynching me and then suggesting I was "defending" PX "in essence".This is in essence trying to claim that you were ignoring the game state as it was playing out. You don't have to say "Dormio shoot this dude right here" to be aware that by presenting reasons that someone should be lynched when the dayvig is deciding his shot is likely to result in their death. The fact that you're not trying to claim responsibility for it and are therefore not sacrificing yourself for PX would make that result more likely. You didn't feel the need to push anything on PX, but you went out of your way to push a case on Dan for being too dangerous to let live.
I don't see a case. Seriously, you came up with a list of crap Affinity did (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11974.msg790276.html#msg790276) and then proceed to /care until you get my flip. And you haven't even posted a case on me.Post #409 exists, you know.
Do you acknowledge that scum both probably wanted us to lynch Hero, and probably wanted Dormio to shoot town instead of chancing one of their townie buddies being shot?
If so, do you acknowledge that we should be looking for the common links between these two activities?
You haven't been looking for scum, you've been strolling around threatening people with a vig to get information out of them. This strategy makes a lot of sense if you look at it from a scum perspective, as he gets to threaten claims out of people and then move on to the next person. I don't see a town!vig acting like this.
...Chaore, you do realize that John's last name only has one g, right?
that was my bahpost i guess i had better go back to being dead since i died a while ago and am gone forever and definitely dead and not ever going to post in this thread ever again bye
... This is one of those things where you'll use my words as a reason to lynch me, isn't it. Yes, I acknowledge there is merit in examining the common link between those two activities.That, or someone else did it and it would be more beneficial to figure that 'it' out then to tear at each other. My case on you is that you were wrong and it's scummy to get townies wrong. Your case on me is that I was right and it's scummy to get townies right. It is possible for both of these cases to exist and be wrong.
You're proposing that scum would A) want to lynch Dan and B) direct Dormio's shot to Town. And because I A) wanted to lynch Dan and B) willing or not likely had a hand in directing Dormio to shoot Dan (now a confirmed Town), I satisfy both conditions for being Scum to you, yes?
Right now im finding it incredibly hard to believe serelas claim and is just setting up a night kill for BT right now. also his #330 and #348 were pretty much the same thing except the vote. Both those posts were "everyone is null so i dont have much opinions about them, but going by gut affinity looks weird." Which i guess ill wait and see his reasoning for voting affinity sometime before the day ends. Also you pretty much screwed over BT using your role to confirm him as town. Pretty much i find serelas role claim fishy, all his reads are null, and not scum hunting.Leads to you arguing that BT must be confirmed town afterwards, when you keep saying that Serela is lying? You think Serela is lying about his claim, therefore there should be an easy answer to why BT could be scum that you're avoiding.
id put dormio for being town day vig, but i would be suspicious if he vigged the wrong person...You thought Dan was town so what happened to this?
Shadoweh, this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11974.msg790340.html#msg790340) just made too much sense to me. When i said wrong person i meant if he vigged someone who wasnt on his list of people like affinity.
in fact if what serela is saying is true your vote on BT makes no sense to me :fail:
So it would actually help me immensely if a certain dayvig happened to flip Dan. His claim, if true, is stupidly useless anyway. Yeah, I know, saying this is pretty damn scummy of me, but I'm honestly torn and would bank on one of them (Dan or Bard) being scum.
I liked him before because of the way Schezo persued him.You... thought Dan was Townie because of the way Schezo pursued him? Uh. You judged his Townieness based on others' actions? Yeah, I really don't get how you can simultaneously agree with the Dan case, feel enlightened and add more ammo to the case AND say that if Dan somehow ISN'T SCUM, I must be.
BT I believe has confirmed Serela's power? Shadoweh and Px have used their claims.Don't know where I implied this, but no; I have no way to 'confirm' Serela's power, and I never did. I only believe that his claim is town due to strong ~logic~.
I need more sleep before I can decide on this, but I note that I fully expect BT to vote me now and present why I am scum despite agreeing with my Dan case (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11974.msg790401.html#msg790401), since he said either Dan or I was Scum. In fact, make that a request to explain how you can both be drawn to my case enough to ask for the vig to shoot Dan, while holding that I am scum in the same breath.Yeah, that happened. I was still not settled down at the time (hence why I unvoted, left unclear opinions, etc.) so I am happily going to explain my thought process then and now.
Dorian: So I didn't have time to read your post when I was busy trying to stop the person you were voting for from dying. I don't have to look back to know your only contribution was to say Dan is scum. Please return with a new perspective.Of course, I make sure to let you know when I found one.
I'm too hung up on gaming the system by virtue of roles is boringYeah, it is if done in large amounts, but at the same time, using roles to aid scumhunting is something that shouldn't be ignored. I'm trusting what I think about BT because it's not something that would make sense to be circumvented in any manner by the setup, like how, say, even investigation and cop results can be by scum resistance to their powers or redirections or etc. The only logical solution is that Rose Lalonde is not a scum role, to me. I honestly feel that my flip is practically as good as flipping BT at the moment, plus I'm probably -way- more lynchable then BT now, so you'd probably have better results going after me in BT hunting efforts then him. I mean, if BT is scum, I'm probably lying my ass off right now.
Wait wasn't I talking about Affinity at some point? Aw I'll get back to that at a later date.This is because I can't remember where I was going with what I was saying on him, and then I hit post before realizing I hadn't typed that yet.
I like this case (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11974.msg787811.html#msg787811). Also, why are you asking me to elaborate on a town read when you gave some unexplained ones earlier? Also, don't stuff words. I never said I was protecting Shadoweh, she's just an early town read.Good you say that you like the case but never what you like about it. You said also that you still dislike Dormio.
So why Rawr over Dan or Dormio?
Anyways,
##Vote: Dr. Rawr
All you've been doing is chasing over easy targets and following with the general populous. You're not honestly trying to find scum, so die. Idk, but to me, you're looking lazy/newb!scum
Shadoweh, stop doing this thing where you act like you're the perfect confirmed town. Seriously, start finding scum, or I will be voting you. Scum already have a hard time trying to direct mislynches, they don't need somepony else to do their job for them.
Dormio, your D2 is highly unimpressive. You haven't been looking for scum, you've been strolling around threatening people with a vig to get information out of them. This strategy makes a lot of sense if you look at it from a scum perspective, as he gets to threaten claims out of people and then move on to the next person. I don't see a town!vig acting like this.
ActionDan, you're rather unimpressive. After all, you're rationalizing reads with ROLE PMs. Seriously, that is not how you play mafia. And all I've been seeing is set up speculation from you
Well Shadoweh, could you do me a favor and tell me why you think PX is town? Cause I really don't see it.Well, to reverse the question, what about one-liner posts is town to you? Don't you dislike the lack of content to read? After examining your PX case I don't see anything wrong with it, so I'm still willing to work with you. Even if it's weird when you're talking. :o
And about Rawr, my reread didn't brought me any new revelations. Maybe it's just too late or it's the amount of one liner posts, however I havent see anything that strikes me as summy.
That said, I'm off for now, good night.
FINAL VOTECOUNT+ Serela being obv town and heacrabs being another generic townie who's about to get modkilled =
Hero999: Shadoweh, Huh What, NeoSerela, Schezo, ActionDan, Affinity, Dr. Rawr, Headcrabs
FINAL VOTECOUNTMeaning one of them is high% scum. You don't have to trust the people I've narrowed down or myself, but this is the viewpoint I lean from. It's possible for them both to be scum. The way Affinity has been presenting good cases on townies instead of his buddies makes me believe in him more though. Except I think he made a case on Rawr somewhere? I do recall Polaris, but Dorian would be more likely to be his type of scum then Headcrabs, unless people think his scumteam gave him 'I will destroy you :V' as material. Anyways, to me it feels like PX is swerving off to hit someone quiet for the sake of hitting someone quiet. Rawr is the talky one in this case and PX is the swerve.
Hero999: Shadoweh, Huh What, NeoSerela, Schezo, ActionDan, Affinity, Dr. Rawr, Headcrabs
He admitted to sheeping hero999while you might have something there with the rest of it, wat@this
I'm voting PX because I got nothing and everyone here should know by now that the most you can get out of me right now is a repeat of last game's D1.
asically, I don't really -believe- in the Maav vote right now, while on some level I trust myself from almost half an hour ago to have had some sort of actual thought that PX might actually be scum, despite that I cannot justify it, which is possibly better as I don't really want to convince others on PX being scum as I don't feel that I have a strong enough read to be comfortable actually having influence on others opinions right now.
##Unvote PX yeah I'm not feeling anything there.
Okay, looking at this recent Serela/Rawr thing. Suddenly, Serela is scum again. What? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgLo_AW7Pb0) These recent posts look absolutely nothing like his posts earlier. Are you getting your scum partners to write posts for you? Because that's what it looks like.Uh, where did you ever call Serela scum? Or even mention Serela at all throughout this entire game?
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/MLP2.png)We have two confirmed doctors that work in the night phase. How would they stop a dayvig? And didn't you say Dormio was scummy because he was asking people to claim? How can you hold him not asking you to claim when he'd decided to shoot someone else against him?
SWADOWMEH: At that point, nobody was caring about Rawr. AT ALL. That said, Dormio's decision to shoot was scummy, as he never asked me to claim. Otherwise, you can sum it up to as gut, as I JUST know he's scum. Really, he wasn't using the day to figure out the best target to shoot, he just decided to shoot whoever Town wanted. And a scum dayvig would really make sense, as we have TWO confirmed DOCTORS.
what with so many being edgy about prying into him solely due to his roleclaim (e.g BT, Bardiche, Shadoweh, etc.),
Dormio first asked for Dan to claim.Yeah, what about it? That was also before I claimed vig.
Then he managed to get Serela to claim.I like how you're trying to pin this on me. All I asked was for content.
Then you happened to mention that Dan might have another ability on top of his governing.Who mentioned this and when did it happen, because I do not recall such a thing happening.
At this point, I imagine him thinking that I would be easier to mislynch than Dan and to avoid the chance that Dan actually does have another ability, so he doesn't even bother forcing a claim out of me to see which is the best shot.Uh, what?
If you were a town vig, you would want all your options to claim to have a better idea to decide which one to shoot, but he just decided to shoot with an incomplete view of his options.So, according to you, I was a scum vig waving around my gun to get information out of people. Right?
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: DR. RAWR
His D1 consisted on tunneling Maav, and then jumping on to the popular wagon Hero. Even he said he didn't know his position in the wagon, so that means that he wasn't actually paying attention to it and just decided to jump on the largest wagon. D2, he completely forgets about Maav and proceeds to do... nothing. Really, much of his content involves answering questions, defending himself, and other small pointless comments. A little later he votes Serela when people were looking at him. He just calls headcrabs scummy out of nowhere. Same post, he doubts Serela's claim, but after Dormio's vig, and right after, he goes to vote headcrabs and say Serela is town. Overall, he's done a lot of sheeping to other players, and spent most of the day doing nothing.
-Also do note i only said serela is town if hes telling the truth, which i really do doubt
...okay, I'm not sure I have anything insightful and productive to bring out right now to dissuade Dormio's vigging hand. What I can do though, is claim! So that I'm not riddled with holes soon.I havent seen much town in serela all game. I cant clear people just based on a role claim and then ignore the rest of there play... Which is why im voting PX and thinking his claim is bullshit
...okay, I'm not sure I have anything insightful and productive to bring out right now to dissuade Dormio's vigging hand. What I can do though, is claim! So that I'm not riddled with holes soon.
couldnt serela just be confirming someone else as town to make himself look town also?
why would scum confirm other scum as town and the set up a perfect reason to nightkill the scum they just confirmed as town?
When someone asks for your stance, you do not respond with questions: it's scummy to avoid giving your own opinion by having someone fill that in for you.
How does Scum!Serela speaking the truth result in Town!BT?
Well, to reverse the question, what about one-liner posts is town to you? Don't you dislike the lack of content to read? After examining your PX case I don't see anything wrong with it, so I'm still willing to work with you. Even if it's weird when you're talking. :oI don't think it is town but I also don't see it as scum. He posts one liners everywhere else too, and I just doubt that a role PM magically changes his posting habits regardless of its alignment. And yes his content is thin but you can say the same about PX and Headcrabs, so I see still no reason to put above PX.
While the reasons for voting PX have more or less been said in different guises already, it worries me that none of the people on the wagon have actually delved into why PX over headcrabs, and to a slightly less extent, rawr, the first two of which are scummy for similar reasons. Would be nice if everyone could order those three potential lynches into some system of ranking. Dorian. G for me stands out as taking the path of least resistance so far, going for Dan and PX for elaborated but more or less standard reasons and taking the not so controversial town reads. He does not have the advantage of a history of side suspicions that Bardiche, BT, and others had, and so I'm quite wary of him. Might be something for tomorrow.Well I'm really sorry that I wasn't able to bring up new and innovative revelations but I stood under the impression that I would have only limited time to push the only scum read I had then against an established wagon on one of my town reads, so I may have rushed some things.
Dormio is possibly a scum vig. huh what, don't just shoot Rawr, look with your heart and make the right decision. Even if he's scum, he's not the only one.So now that PX is dead, you're picking up his (crappy) case on me that revolves purely around my vig? :/
herdcrabs might get modkilled and he seems more bad play than scummy play (and I frown at Affinity for pursuing bad play)I'm fairly sure this is where I had been going with what I was going to say about Affinity a few posts ago before I forgot what it was!
About BT, i thought about it and couldnt serela just be confirming someone else as town to make himself look town also?It doesn't make me town, though. Scum can clear some people as town without any detriment to themselves.
BT isn't confirmed town, the way Serela's claim works makes it possible that giving the scum the identity of whoever he picked is punishment for making Serela suicide.god dammit chaore
So now that PX is dead, you're picking up his (crappy) case on me that revolves purely around my vig? :/No, I'm pretty sure I was willing to do this while he was alive.
No, I'm pretty sure I was willing to do this while he was alive.You mean except for the part where I was a town read for you right up until now? :V
but not the kind of weird where I tilt my head and wonder if what you're doing is scum motivated or somethingor maybe ALCOHOL-DRIVEN SCUMHUNTING YEAHHHHHHHnotreallyyeah
Serela, that doesn't work out. If your role did what you claimed it did, we have a paired people, so two die instead of one. We have two lynches at worst, and that'd assume the paired people being both Town, and living to the end game. That's risky.Oh. I forgot about that. Still two lynches :c Plus HW's doc power might prevent a lynch and keep us with three remaining lynches, too.
Huh What, I think Dorian's Town because I am the Town Cop and got a Town result on him.
I got one on Affinity too.
The lovers are a problem, though. Best case scenario is that one of them is scum.I have a feeling scum were not available as lovers, especially due to the amount of objects I had to choose for shipping from. 9, which is the 13 alive n1 minus me and three scum. It also fits well with how I had no idea who I targetted to Lover-ify; it means the mod can do that with my role without revealing the scum. (The objects were not something that could definitely be paired to a character.)
And you die if your target is attacked? So a bodyguard....no? I never claimed this or tried to imply this.
There is one other part to my role that I never claimed. Shooting turns me into a miller.Final scum found.
To be fair, you did set up a pass for Rawr after PX flipped scum.Actually I was talking about PX flipping TOWN, remember. The town counterwagon wasn't Rawr though, it was Headcrabs.
Anyway, claim. Only two people are voting you right now, if you didn't notice.
Because the first time I claimed miller, people got all over me for it.Are you talking about Mafia Rules Mafia? I don't remember anyone getting all over you for claiming miller, and you were lynched for your completely unrelated day effect. The argument you had with Lambda in Jojo's Bizarre Mafia was about HER claiming miller.
Ever since then, from what I've heard it's better to either not claim miller at all or claim it immediately. I decided not to claim it. Go sue me.
I doubt Rawr and PX are scum together.This is irrelevant, though, because Dormio is the last scum and panicked as a result of Bard's claim. He had to claim miller now because it's his only way of surviving after Bard gets a scum result tonight.
Dormio why didn't you shoot PX?For NO REASON.
That alone makes a Dan lynch/vig more credible to me.
It will probably include lovers claiming, assuming they aren't scum, and lynching (hopefully a solitary person) who is left.see reasoning on this in one of my earlier posts where I base it off how my role works
- Affinity, Dorian, are either of you Miller?No, there is at last nothing in my role pm about it.
Dorian, who'd you target N1 and N2?
I can only use it at day and I don't like to think that it's just there to mess with the other town roles.Any other questions?
I still think Affinity is town in general for resisting bussing scum when there were two wagons for him to choose from.
Also I guess that I roleblockt Affinitty by mistake, sorry.^^;
Still think Dorian is scummy and worth pursuing tomorrow next due to his rather narrow range of who is scum throughout the game
Also, I made that switched yesterday to press Affinity for reactions thinking I could switch back. I did not expect Bard to vote him for a 'scumslip', huh what to vote him for what seemed like wanting another quicklynch and a Serela hammer out of nowhere. :/The number of times 'quicklynch' was used yesterday speaks badly about us in general. :ohdear: The reasoning on Dormio was okay because of the weird circumstances but.. this is weird for me to say. I miss cases. :<
I did think the way PX responded to my role at first was town, since he clearly noted getting something from me and that seemed like the townie way to respond. If it turns out you're the last scum, Dormio, I won't feel bad for being convinced by his truthful points against you. Do you believe he's going to be able to suicide?I'm going to assume that by "he", you're referring to Serela.
We could play hangmafia until he gets here :D##Vote Shadoweh
Or children's card games but Dormio hasn't made his deck yet. >:<OT: I have, actually.
Cut: 2/3 scum isn't bad for PoE. What were you looking for from PX? I don't think he gave you a case either.Existence. And responding to my posts. Unfortunately, I forgot about him whilst reading Dan for the whateverth number time.
You wanted him to exist, but you forgot about him because he didn't exist? :VSounds about right. :V
I don't send in kills while I'm drunk. That's not an actual motive for me to kill him. Can you come up with something that actually furthers me going for a scum win condition?The fact that you would have killed either Serela or I then?
[12:47:58] <Isono_dorMiwa> what the fuck is faygo anywaySHADOWEH I CAN'T MAKE OUT WITH YOU UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF NAUGHT BUT CHEAP DRINKS.
[12:48:29] <@Edible> Low-tier american soda
[12:49:02] <Kitten4u> I heard it's pretty nasty
[12:50:02] <@Edible> It's of similar quality to grocery store brand soda
Dislike Dan, Affinity, Serela, and Hero.That's right before the Day 1 lynch. PX was voting Dan with him at the time.
IT'S KIND OF HARD TO PURSUE A CASE WHEN YOUR TARGET OF INTEREST JUST DISAPPEARS FOR THE ENTIRE DAY.
Speaking of which, Dan made a post and some other stuff happened, so I'm going to be reading now.
He doesn't mention PX until his I AM THE VIG NOT YOU (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11974.msg790083.html#msg790083) post, after Huh what has left.I like how you forget the part where I stated repeatedly on D1 that I disliked how PX went about his OMGUS vote on me.
I'm going to assume that by "he", you're referring to Serela.Well then Dormio I hope you don't mind if I go ##Vote Dormio!
If he can't, he's scum. If he can, he's town.
Either you or Serela are scum, and I'm more convinced in your scumminess than Serela's, so I guess my answer would be yes.
Where is Serela? I mean he's on the IRC and everything.I never log off :V
Fucking millers. How do they work?Claim Miller as scum D1; find out afterwards you were copped N0.
If you did Dr Rawr would've ended up being lovers with Serela and working as a secret third faction to kill everyone else off and live alone.yes
They would've been bulletproof, and have six kills.
In seriousness, Yes.
So I take it I missed Shadoweh's reaction to her role. Was it, perhaps, ~MAGICAL~?FUUUUUUUUUUUCKASSSSSSEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
I'm in GMT +1, so at least I'll be able to get in slap-fights with BT :V
Oh yes. Congrats to Dorian for making his way through a game posting! \^_^/ See, it's not so hard once you try.
I second this! He played pretty well too IMO.Thanks but I'm not so sure about it, well my play wasn't that bad considering the circumstances but it was still mostly improvised. I cleared one half of the game based on gut cause I had no time to read it closer anyway and jumped to conclusions about the other half. That I caught a flu straight after replacing in didn't helped either. By the way Shadoweh, what was so weird when I talked?
Out of curiousity, Chaore, what would have happened if she picked my role?
Would she gain the godfather ability? :V
WHY IS SCUM THE ONLY FACTION THAT THINKS IT'S BAD THAT PX DIDN'T FULLCLAIM ON DAY 1 WITH A FAKECLAIM LIKE THAT.
I'm pretty sure this scum team doesn't even mind losing right now with how much fun they're having.
Eh Effort - Nearly change the entire game by just NOT COPPING SHADOWEH. Really man.
I just thought it was kind of bastard-y to give someone a full vanilla role in role madness, the rest I didn't really mind overmuch.Technically, he got Role Destroyed too, so even if he hadn't been vanilla... :V
In case you haven't noticed, I take this shit very personally
As for Vhaltz, I guess when I said that I was fine with being D3's lynch, I meant when assuming an outsider's PoV.
You can't be the windy boy as you're too busy being JOHN EGGBERT, HEIR OF BREATH. As the Heir of Breath, you are capable of doing windy things, but as a friend you are capable of knowing who your friends are! So, once per night, you may choose to ##COP: one of the other players and find out if they really are friendly! You guess this means you're a TOWN COP?