Labyrinth of Touhou 8F

[I have no name]

I would revive the thread, but there are no revive effects in this game.

So what's a good level for ***WINNER***?  I have Reimu at 560-570ish and he's destroying me, still.

[Pesco]

That level looks doable. How are your SKP levels?

[I have no name]

That level looks doable. How are your SKP levels?

Highest skill level on everyone is 200.

[DarkAtma]

Hello,new here =3, i am currently at 16f grinding for yukari,however i was reading other threads and i see there is no love for okuu,is she so bad even at NG+?, also what do your think of my party? (once i get them all of course,note these are picked due to them being my favorite chars)  meiling,mokou,tenshi,okuu,yukari,ran,flandre,manosuke,sanae,iku,marisa and komachi

[Pesco]

Utsuho is low tier because her spells are expensive, commonly resisted element, not so great durability and slow (I think).

:Generally accepted good party characters:
Meiling
Iku
Ran
Yukari
Tenshi
Rinnosuke
Flandre
Sanae
Komachi
Marisa
Mokou
Utsuho
:Generally accepted not so good party characters:

The top 4 are solid additions to any team. Tenshi down to Marisa are pretty situational characters. Mokou and Utsuho suffer from someone else being able to do the same things as them with far more efficiency.

[DarkAtma]

i see.....even if those are weak i must find some use to them,even full MAG utsuho is bad?

[Parallaxal]

Okuu is usable, just like anyone else in the game. It's just that even with a full MAG build, her damage output is only around average, but suffers from having poor elemental coverage, a low level up rate, crippling SP costs in the early game, and fairly low utility. She has one of the few DEF/MND ignoring spells in the game, but it has fairly low multipliers compared to the likes of Shikieiki or Kaguya. Okuu does have the niche of being able to self-buff while attacking, similar to Aya. It's just that if she does, her defense drops even lower, plus her self-buff spell is also her weakest (unlike Aya's). Curiously, she's probably at her best in teams that lack ways to buff yourself offensively (so no Iku, Sanae, Ran, or Kaguya). I can't really see why you'd want to cast Uncontainable Nuclear Reaction if you can get an even bigger MAG boost from Iku with no penalty to your DEF/MND.

She's not bad enough to actually discourage you from ever using her (I've used her for a playthrough before; that's why I can say what I'm saying), it's just that there are better choices for the role. But she can still fill the role if you want.

[DarkAtma]

Currently at 16F, best is meiling lv69, Bosses left to defeat: Kaguya foe,Flandre,Yukari, all three keep wiping the floor with me, what i should do? :<


EDIT

Yukari down, was kinda easy now that i buffed suwako, suwako doing 70k per nuke took her down pretty fast

EDIT 2
Reached mannosuke at lv71 meiling, i feel i am severely underleveled......if so, where to grind?

[Parallaxal]

18F is fine for grinding, so long as you can handle the enemies there. I actually think 18F is a little easier than 17F, as far as enemy mobs are concerned. The only things I really have issues with are those squid-like things with high speed and like to cast Dark Hole/Destroy Magic.

If you haven't taken the time to explore all of 18F, do so. It's pretty huge with lots of nice items. I usually end up at a good enough level to take on the boss simply by exploring everything first. Mannosuke is beatable in the 80's, but most wait until the 90's to make it more comfortable.

[Raikaria]

Utsuho is low tier because her spells are expensive, commonly resisted element, not so great durability and slow (I think).

:Generally accepted good party characters:
Meiling
Iku
Ran
Yukari
Tenshi
Rinnosuke
Flandre
Sanae
Komachi
Marisa
Mokou
Utsuho
:Generally accepted not so good party characters:

The top 4 are solid additions to any team. Tenshi down to Marisa are pretty situational characters. Mokou and Utsuho suffer from someone else being able to do the same things as them with far more efficiency.

There's quite a few characters missing...  Reimu, Remillia, Wriggle, Cirno, Reisen, Sakuya... pretty sure I missed some

[Zil]

He was rating that guy's team, not all of the characters.

[DarkAtma]

been considering to replace mannosuke with orin, how good is she and at what stat she is good at?

[Serela]

Orin is a fairly nice character, since her nuke is composite, as long as her offense buffs are high it should do good damage on bosses despite being normally non-nukey on randoms. In randoms she has high speed and Blazing Wheel can be used to great effect (Or if you need a non-magical attack, then needles.). Cat's Walk can be used to help manage switching sometimes.

She has nice MND and high speed, and the offensive stat to concentrate on is ATK (But keep in mind that her nuke is composite; it's just that since ATK has the higher growth, it should get the levelup bonuses and a little more attention in general)

[Parallaxal]

Pretty much what Serela said. Blazing Wheel is probably one step below the really big nukes like KO in 3 Steps or Croaking Frog Eaten by Snake, but it's about on par with Fujiyama Volcano and maybe Royal Flare. However, given its delay and Orin's speed, it's notably more spammable without switching her out, unlike all the other spells I just listed. Its composite nature is both a drawback and an advantage. It's a drawback in that enemies with really high MND or DEF (or even both) are able to resist it (as opposed to only one or the other), but it's also an advantage because the damage formula benefits more from buffs that raise both ATK and MAG, like Thundercloud Stickleback. It's a great trash clearer and a solid nuke for boss fights.

Needle Hill is not only non-elemental, but also has fairly decent DEF-piercing properties. I used it to kill those really high DEF crabs on 27F when level grinding there. Cat's Walk is very situational, but is great for micromanaging turns in boss fights (something I absolutely love to do). Finally, while people tend to forget her last spell, Vengeful Cannibal Spirit is noteworthy for its very strong DEF debuff (-50%) and the fact that it's SPI elemental, ensuring that Orin isn't a one-trick pony element-wise compared to some other characters. And hey, it's damage formula isn't really that bad; it's composite, so it has the same benefits from buffs as Blazing Wheel. It'll probably outdamage Blazing Wheel on bosses that are weak to SPI or resist FIR.

Stat-wise Orin has great SPD and remarkably good MND for a character that you'd normally expect to be a glass cannon. Her natural MND growth is already very good, plus she has a slightly above-average level up rate. However, her HP and DEF are both kind of sub-par, so don't really expect her to be that tanky. It just means she can take a decent spell or two and still survive comfortably.

[DarkAtma]

finally,flandre and kaguya foe down at meiling 75, its normal for flandre to have 10,000 attack at around those levels?

[I have no name]

Yes.

Flandre's attack will be much much higher than everyone else's, like Komachi with her HP.

Does anyone know if every 30F encounter has the same chance of coming up?  Because I mostly seem to get Nitori and Orin.

[Pesco]

It depends on the area.

[DarkAtma]

do i am the only person that replaces the portraits with non-touhou characters? :<

[Pesco]

There was some talk about doing that a few pages back or in the last thread. You can post what you have and someone might want it.

[SuccinctAndPunchy]

do i am the only person that replaces the portraits with non-touhou characters? :<

You're definitely not the only person.

Hell, I made an entire portrait pack that replaces the characters with the cast from Friendship Is Magic, you know, just to fulfil my brony quota.

[draganuv15]

You're definitely not the only person.

Hell, I made an entire portrait pack that replaces the characters with the cast from Friendship Is Magic, you know, just to fulfil my brony quota.

I would love a link to this pack, I would love you forever.
Even my avvy is interested.

[SuccinctAndPunchy]

I would love a link to this pack, I would love you forever.
Even my avvy is interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVP45Pu5Ptc

The vid's got the download link in the description.

Keep in mind there's very little in the way of rhyme or reason for most of the character swaps. There's only so much I can do to draw parallels between these lot.

In hindsight, I really should've done Shining Armour as either Youmu or Rinnosuke. Prolly Rinnosuke. But I did make this pack before that episode even aired, it's not like I possess the ability to see into the future.

[DarkAtma]

i keep getting this urge to replace shiki with shinki....

[Nerv-Faktor]

Started a new playthrough some time ago and I noticed that Eirin has the same DEF growth as Meiling, albeit with notably lower leveling speed, so I tried using her (and Yukari) as my "slot 1 characters" in this playthrough. Every single level up bonus went into her DEF, since her MND and HP are naturally good enough to survive spells and rasetsu fists. I'm actually surprised how well she does she job. I've yet to encounter anything she can't tank comfortably and I just beat Bhaal Avatar at level ~200 where she could take the demon slashing dances just fine. Also having a tank who can debuff ATK and MAG is nice, even though both of those spells generally do 0 damage. But god damn, Hourai Elixir is a terrible heal. The delay, the SP-cost, the amount healed, everything about it is terrible. Even when healing Komachi, Minoriko and Sanae probably produce better results than Eirin. At least she can use it to overheal herself the turn before a boss unleashes a predictable, powerful attack, like the demon slashing dance every 5 turns.
This made me like Eirin a bit more in this game.  I actually think that she does the tanking job quite a bit better than the MAG-attacker job. Though she's still not even close to being as good as Meiling at tanking.

Edit: Just lost my 25F savefile due to being incredibly retarded and accidentally overwriting it with a 2F save. So I guess Eirin won't be able to tank the winner then...

[Parallaxal]

It's summer. I've just finished my first year of medical school.

Time to waste time on computer games.

I'm tempted to do another run-through of LoT, although I think I'm going to replay Etrian Odyssey 3 first.

[SuccinctAndPunchy]

I'm tempted to do another run-through of LoT

How many runs of LoT would that put you at in total? I'm interested because I swear you've played this game through with just about every character at some point.

Do a Nuzlocke. I fucking dare you.

[Pesco]

Nuzlocke is way too boring. Could say speedrun rather.

[SuccinctAndPunchy]

Nuzlocke is way too boring. Could say speedrun rather.

Or how about solo character runs?

SOLO RENKO DO IT DO IT DO IT

[I have no name]

Nuzlocke is way too boring. Could say speedrun rather.

Funnily enough, there was a race to beat Alice a couple days ago on speedrunslive.

SOLO RENKO DO IT DO IT DO IT

uhhh...how do you get past Rinnosuke?  Assuming you can even beat the bosses you can't PAR-lock.

[SuccinctAndPunchy]

uhhh...how do you get past Rinnosuke?  Assuming you can even beat the bosses you can't PAR-lock.

It was a joke. I don't think it'd be reasonably possible.

I mean, technically speaking you could just grind for several months for her Galaxy Stop to do enough damage to kill.