Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F  (Read 221177 times)

Ghaleon

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #390 on: April 23, 2012, 09:10:27 AM »
Eh? I find renko's defensive stats scale reasonably enough via skillpoints. Yeah maybe she's not a proper tank, but she can take a hit or two in slot two if you don't neglect her defense completely. Even a steel slasher. But yeah, don't need offensive skillpoints at all. Or offensive items. Really though, I do the same thing with kaggy. Yeah her mag growth is good, yeah defense ignoring attacks are good...But there are like a dozen characters with really good attack formulas on high attack stats, and there's only a few fights where defense IGNORE is truly more important than say, just a really big hit like Nitori, yuugi, youmu, patchy, etc. So basically, I just find she's still perfectly great if you focus on her being a buddha's stone bowl bot, and pour the vast majority of her skillpoints into mnd/spd. I mean I know she's good as a nuke too, but other than yukari, there really isn't anybody else who can replace the bowl (and even then yukari's eats up her sp much faster, plus the delay on it is brutal).

But anyway, it is indeed pretty cool to have a few characters with no need for any offensive stats (or at least little), it really makes you be able to have really powerful items that truly compliment each character perfectly much better. Not to mention allows you to make your entire party mostly status immune (though the actual stat debuff one tends to be a tough one to reach naturally, qq).

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #391 on: April 23, 2012, 06:18:29 PM »
27F boss.
Rankain.
I don't even know how to beat this thing, Rankain would be a TPK even 100 levels up.  So what do I do, other than use Master Spark and defense ignoring moves?

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #392 on: April 23, 2012, 06:26:55 PM »
Debilitate.

That and SPI affinities.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #393 on: April 23, 2012, 06:35:53 PM »
I ended up just Master Sparking it to death after losing Shikieiki+Kaguya to Quantnum Dissonance Form.
and Komachi could apparently survive one anyway.
Somehow.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #394 on: April 23, 2012, 07:13:34 PM »
Ok, so after being a lazy twat I decided to go with Random.org and see what I got

2, 4, 7, 9, 10, 11, 20, 22, 24, 25, 26, 36
(Marisa) (Sakuya) (Meiling) (Minoriko) (Youmu) (Alice) (Nitori) (Reisen) (Tenshi) (Mokou) (Flandre) (Kanako)

...I ain't seeing any dedicated buffers on this list.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #395 on: April 23, 2012, 07:25:31 PM »
Reisen is going to be your MVP since she can selfbuff. Otherwise Sakuya's SPD buffs are the closest you'll have to boosting your damage. And you have zero defensive options other than base tankers. Levelling is your only way to play.

draganuv15

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #396 on: April 23, 2012, 07:29:31 PM »
Reisen is going to be your MVP since she can selfbuff. Otherwise Sakuya's SPD buffs are the closest you'll have to boosting your damage. And you have zero defensive options other than base tankers. Levelling is your only way to play.
...So reroll :D?

Ghaleon

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #397 on: April 23, 2012, 07:37:23 PM »
you don't actually need damage buffers per say, they are really just a time saver more than anything. I think it'd be harder without a reimu/yukari/ran for group defense buffs but you have Mino at least.. I don't particularly want to use a random group myself, but if I did, I'd be pretty open to that one.

draganuv15

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #398 on: April 23, 2012, 07:39:53 PM »
you don't actually need damage buffers per say, they are really just a time saver more than anything. I think it'd be harder without a reimu/yukari/ran for group defense buffs but you have Mino at least.. I don't particularly want to use a random group myself, but if I did, I'd be pretty open to that one.

...Well I would like a group defense buff, I WILL USE MY LOLI POWAHS TO SWAP TENSHI FOR RAN OUT OF PURE BOREDUM

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #399 on: April 24, 2012, 06:42:17 AM »
That group seems decent enough.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #400 on: April 25, 2012, 08:33:13 PM »
So I just beat the V2 boss rush.
By overkilling Rinnosuke's SPI form with a 360 SP Master Spark.

I don't think I was supposed to do that.

EDIT:  Ok...at what point does grinding on 30F become more effective than on 29F?
and at what level should I think about fighting the V2 Bloodstained Seal bosses/Serpent of Chaos?

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #401 on: April 26, 2012, 07:53:08 PM »
IHNN:It's hard to tell, but I'd recommend using Yukari/ (iku or keine or rinnosuke for quick offensive buff) / Nitori / Kaguya and giving Nitori a million turns to buffed murderbeam with whenever you start doing 30F. Iku is arguably best since Rinnosuke means going back to Gensokyo after every fight, but Rinno also buffing defensive stats (and Kaggy's MAG) makes him safer at first, and it takes a lot of speed gouging on Iku to make her get a turn quickly.

Bloodstained Seal bosses vary, although Bloody Papa's debuff weakness makes him doable earlier I think (Especially if you use Renko), and the ridiculous long named butterfly-ish one is probably the next or most easy. SoC is lv400~450. Dual Hibachi v2 is... well, "after SoC".

If you can take the butterfly's startoff needle parade, you should be able to do that one, pretty much. Since the subsequent parades you'll have buffs up for.
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #402 on: April 26, 2012, 09:29:07 PM »
Beast of Centaurea V2 is on a whole different level from the other 3 Bloodstained Seal bosses on 21F. If you can beat one of three, you can probably beat them all (or close to it, anyway). But Beast of Centaurea V2 requires another 50 levels or something. I suppose you can cheese its first form with PAR hax, but that takes way too long and I lack the patience for it. For the most part, you just need lots of defensive buffs and enough sustain to survive an extended barrage of attacks. Unlike the other Bloodstained Seal bosses, it doesn't have any insta-wipe desperation attacks, so if you can withstand its offense, you can grind it down.

Zil

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #403 on: April 26, 2012, 09:46:20 PM »
Shouldn't you be on 27F if you're not on 30F?

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #404 on: April 27, 2012, 01:18:27 AM »
Shouldn't you be on 27F if you're not on 30F?
oh dear, yeah, I just noticed IHNN said he was grinding on 29f.

Because of liliths having a bajillion SKP, yeah, 27F is definitely the best; plus all battles can be finished very fast, unlike 28 or 29f. The exp increase on 28 and 29 is very small as well, and the extra time/going back to gensokyo puts them at a loss in exp as well as skp.
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #405 on: April 27, 2012, 03:18:38 PM »
I just recently did Beast of Centaurea V2 at about Reimu level 402. The recommended level is 440+ though.  Was going to wait till the recommended but I was soooooo tired of grinding levels I said screw it and fought it and then Bloody Papa. 

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #406 on: April 27, 2012, 04:24:45 PM »
Yaaaaaaay!!!  :toot: :toot: :toot: :toot: :toot: :toot: :toot: :toot: :toot:

Just beat the main game's final boss! I think that battle went rather well, as she was finally nice in not spamming magic drain early on and not using her self buff more than twice and never using Djinn Storm. I probably needed the good luck, since I was apparently under the recommended level for the boss (I was at Reimu 124).

So now that the main game is finished, what part of the post game should I start with? Or should I grind some more on 20F?

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #407 on: April 27, 2012, 07:52:24 PM »
Grinding more on 20f doesn't hurt. After all, 170 is like a minimum level you'd want to hit before doing actual plus-disk floors, with 200 being more of a goal if you don't want to return to grinding awhile later. (It's nice to break up grinding with some floor exploration, though. Overall though, you'd want to be around 210 finishing 21f, 220 finishing 22f, and this trend continues all the way to 30f.)

There's also the v2 bosses that appear all over that you can go after. Two more bloody seals (One on 9f) have become available, along with the rest of 20F to be explored, and the two bloody seals you found before fighting the final boss should be easy now.

Around level 170~180 you should have defeated everything before the plus disk floors (Such as Boss Rush, which I hadn't mentioned previously) and hopefully have gotten all the 20F exclusive drops (Since getting all 100 initial items gets you a star)
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #408 on: April 30, 2012, 06:11:21 AM »
Ok, I've cleared all the V2 bosses up to and including Eientei, except Alice. Is it me, or did the bosses that consist of multiple targets get even more tougher than the other V2s? Also, is Reimu Lv around 153 enough to take on the 3rd blood stained seal boss?

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #409 on: April 30, 2012, 03:49:46 PM »
Also, is Reimu Lv around 153 enough to take on the 3rd blood stained seal boss?
Which is "third"? There's Hibachi, Bloody Papa... :o I think that should be fine, though.

Alice IMO is easier because you have Kaguya to wipe all three dolls at once. She's also great for the 5th bloodstained seal. (5th I'd recommend more like 170+)
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Ghaleon

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #410 on: April 30, 2012, 09:10:08 PM »
I found Alice mk2 is indeed harder than most of the mk2s, but IIRC Yukari was the hardest for me, but...yeah, most other people seem to have this strange magical ability to make Yukari not troll so hard. For me she just LOVES deleting the action bars of my characters about to pull off important moves (like reimu's heal)  just as they're full, or destroying their mana (and I don't mean djinn storm). Maybe Flan was also hard, been awhile I forget.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #411 on: April 30, 2012, 10:17:04 PM »
Which is "third"? There's Hibachi, Bloody Papa... :o I think that should be fine, though.

Alice IMO is easier because you have Kaguya to wipe all three dolls at once. She's also great for the 5th bloodstained seal. (5th I'd recommend more like 170+)
My bad, I thought there was a particular one that was supposed to be fought third or something. Anyway, I beat Hibachi and Bloody Papa. Also cleared the Boss Rush, after a super trolling final boss fight. In fact, my first attempt went even worse at that battle, with the final boss using her self buff at least 3 times in quick succession in addition to 5 djinn storms throughout the battle. Anyway, I'm now wondering whether I should continue fighting V2s, or is there even anything else to do at this point since I'm clearly no match for the Hibachis together?

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #412 on: April 30, 2012, 10:22:49 PM »
nothing much else to do but 20F grind

you do need to get all 4 20f exclusive drops! (Scourge, Divine Spirit Barrier, Flower Kiykhaisdhogfudgs Blade, and Armads)
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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #413 on: April 30, 2012, 10:49:26 PM »
nothing much else to do but 20F grind

you do need to get all 4 20f exclusive drops! (Scourge, Divine Spirit Barrier, Flower Kiykhaisdhogfudgs Blade, and Armads)
Fortunately, I'm only missing Scourge at this point, so it shouldn't be too much longer.

Ghaleon

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #414 on: April 30, 2012, 10:50:56 PM »
Or you can intentionally avoid getting the ribbon on 13f, get one with the 5% bonus on 20 too, then get a 2nd via chest on 13f >=P. too late for you to do that though.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #415 on: May 01, 2012, 09:43:38 AM »
Can someone please explain why Rinnosuke V3 keeps dying without going into final form?
I've beaten 2 of them and...the fights went as follows:
Starting form-->SPI form-->CLD form (Last Judgement)-->dead
Starting form-->NTR form-->WND form (a lot of attacks)-->dead (+1 drop)

Zil

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #416 on: May 01, 2012, 09:53:59 AM »
Can someone please explain why Rinnosuke V3 keeps dying without going into final form?
Because you depleted his health...?

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #417 on: May 01, 2012, 10:12:55 AM »
Because you depleted his health...?
But I'm clearly not supposed to do that.

I kind of want to see what buffs his final form got, but if he's going to die every time on his second elemental form...

Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #418 on: May 01, 2012, 10:14:13 AM »
The big thing to note is that while each form does have a 'set' amount of health that you're supposed to deplete, Rinnosuke actually does have a total hp pool which you'll realize is spread across all forms. What this means is that it's possible to kill the v2 and v3 Rinnosuke bosses in far less form changes because the weakness of each form expand your related damage to that so much plus it shares a total hp pool across its form despite being scripted to change when you deplete the 'set' hp amount when the turn comes up for him and you'll note that the boss's hp doesn't scale very well based on the amount of damage you could possibly do at that point for v2 and v3, so by the time you get to the last boss of Plus Disk you can destroy that v3 boss in one shot and it won't change forms at all.

Which is why you won't see his final form so easily at all, because the game maker didn't scale his hp up very well.

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Re: Labyrinth of Touhou 8F
« Reply #419 on: May 01, 2012, 05:03:08 PM »
I don't think that's really what happens with v3. When I've fought v3, what's happened is that he goes into his first elemental form as normal and switches when I deplete enough HP, also as normal. But after that, he uses Form Destruction again on his next turn, even if I don't attack him at all. So it looks to me like his form HP isn't changing correctly. So if you want to see the v3 final form, I'd think it's as simple as just not attacking while he uses Form Destruction over and over.