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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #240 on: November 24, 2011, 01:21:06 AM »
That's cool JOB, but you should put your vote on someone else before you go.  :derp: We're wagon hunting today. Although I don't exactly disapprove of your target since he's forgotten we're playing mafia. <_< And I appreciate you being refreshing and actually disagreeing wiht people, but the comment about plz make cases for me makes me cringe. None of those things you pointed out were questions for me, except for ones I already answered, so if you want something ask again. They sure look like things I did though.  :derp:
Shadoweh: I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say. If I'm not going to get my scum reads lynched I might as well not play mafia. Suddenly you're acting all righteous since you "got" PX's alignment right before the flip and you "knew" Schezo was town.
And thou shalt know my name is SHADOWEH when my townie vengeance strikes upon thee.
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Alright, you get credit for being right, but I don't like the attitude that now PX was obvtown and "doing good" and his wagon was built to troll him. If that's what you really think well then fuck you. Are you scum, Shadoweh?
I don't know Conq, am I scum? You seemed to be okay with that notion when it was popular. Let me see what you said here... OH it's you that said it, not Dan no wonder I can find it in his posts. This line.
Anyway, I'm kinda wary of Shadoweh. I don't like this soft defence of PX for reasons that no one is going to buy either. It reminds me too much of stuff scum!Shadoweh has done in the past. Still, I think Shadoweh gets easier to read as the game goes on so.
Can you explain to me what exactly you meant by this? Because it looks to me like you're attacking me for not defending PX well enough. Which would be a crime if he'd already flipped town and you weren't trying to lynch him. As for the attitude, this didn't come out of nowhere. I told you this is how I felt about PX yesterday. You also told me my questions to Serela felt slimey, and now you're voting him while still throwing stones at me. I feel like your priorities are skewed. Do you believe PX's entire wagon was town?

Paging Action Dan, we are doing this thing called mafia, it requires you to post in the thread, please actually do this so I can accumulate reads against you.

Dormyon, why is that weirdo townie to you? -.- Just look at his face, wouldn't you lynch that? I do seriously wish to hear your reasonings beyond seems townie/towner/townest.

My brain is not dethawed enough to read Serela's post.


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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #241 on: November 24, 2011, 01:44:42 AM »
Shadoweh I asked you to clarify what you meant by them. And I'm asking for cases because with limited time, I don't have the time to read all the posts, so I asked if people could summarize the cases against certain people.

Also I'm going to be here the whole day, the reason why I have limited access is because my laptop charger is getting fixed and my laptop battery sucks and only works for about an hour. And I have just under half of the battery left atm.

So tl;dr I'm here but not :V

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #242 on: November 24, 2011, 01:45:24 AM »
Also  I won't move my vote just yet, I've learnt not to take free candy from you :V

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #243 on: November 24, 2011, 02:09:31 AM »
I don't know Conq, am I scum? You seemed to be okay with that notion when it was popular. Let me see what you said here
I dunno Shadoweh, are you? I can never seem to read you properly, especially when you put on the "big-headed town" act you fake so well as scum. I was never pushing for or supporting your lynch yesterday, so stop trying to misrep me to say I was.

Can you explain to me what exactly you meant by this? Because it looks to me like you're attacking me for not defending PX well enough. Which would be a crime if he'd already flipped town and you weren't trying to lynch him.
"Not defending PX well enough" is a nice spin that doesn't even make any sense when you actually think about what you're saying, but no. I pointed out that it was a shoddy defense, and shoddy defenses are suspicious because they could be defenses of scumbuddies or whiteknights for townies. I can't parse the third sentence in this block. What the hell?

As for the attitude, this didn't come out of nowhere. I told you this is how I felt about PX yesterday.
That's cool. Congrats for being right for whatever reason THAT I STILL CAN'T UNDERSTAND AFTER THE FLIP. And now we sheep you to lynch all the people who were wrong, right? lolnogetout

You also told me my questions to Serela felt slimey, and now you're voting him while still throwing stones at me. I feel like your priorities are skewed.
My vote on Serela has nothing to do with you. Your questions to Serela were slimy because it felt like you were leading him on somehow, like you were trying to get specific answers out of him. Questioning people is townie sure, but questioning people with the intent to get them to respond in a certain way is suspicious at best, scummy at worst.
Why are my priorities skewed?
I'm throwing stones at you because this line of attack you're pursuing is making me go :psyduck: and I'm seriously considering you might actually be scum instead of just :paranoia: on my part.

Do you believe PX's entire wagon was town?
Are you pushing the idea that there has to be at least one scum on the PX wagon? This ties in with what I said a few lines above.


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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #244 on: November 24, 2011, 02:11:06 AM »
Also my avatar is totes moe and if you don't agree you don't understand the power of DEVOTION and TRUE LOVE.  :*


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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #245 on: November 24, 2011, 02:35:13 AM »
Why yes, I'm pushing the idea that scum were on the town wagon lynching town Day 1, because this is what scum do Conqueror. If you're not the scum, then one of them latched onto your amazing case and jumped in after you. If you're not scum I suggest you put some thought into looking for them.

You are correct, you were not pushing for my lynch that day. Attacks on reputation especially when they involve the guy about to flip town last longer then a day. It's similar to why Dan's statements that I was scaring him while voting Zakeri with him put me on edge. I will admit my defense of PX wasn't as strong as for Schezo, simply because I wasn't as sure. I wouldn't call it shoddy there, nor when I continued to voice that feeling.
I'm not sure what you mean by leading people on with questions. There are always certain answers I'm looking for. I'm not trying to rig the questions other then to see if the person responds the way I think they would as a townie. That includes the 'trap question' you pointed at earlier.
About PX being TOWN: Look on the bright side, you can add this to your ways to read him. It's not like I've never been hideously wrong before. Let me enjoy a day of believing I know how to play Mafia.

Your avatar scares small children. You have a problem. @_@

But JOB my candy is so delicious. :<
Again JOB,  I already answered these. I really just can't be bothered to care about my own opinion. Meta is not the horrible reasoning you're making it out to be, and since you've been telling people it's your meta to be like you I don't get why you're so quick to discount me using it. And uhm. Schezo was town. For good reasons that you shouldn't discount so easily. Yeah, that covers everything.


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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #246 on: November 24, 2011, 03:56:13 AM »
The thing is, you used Schezo's meta to clear him and it seemed like you weren't going to budge from thinking he was town.
When people clear me with meta, they still have a possibility of reconsidering my alignment.

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #247 on: November 24, 2011, 04:13:54 AM »
No they don't. :V
Well they shouldn't. I certainly wasn't going to budge on Day 1. I wouldn't say it's beyond me to decide everyone I see as town is scum.


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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #248 on: November 24, 2011, 04:43:29 AM »
I have about 7minutes of battery left, so I won't be on anymore.

Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #249 on: November 24, 2011, 05:37:48 AM »
Tally VIII: The Votecount of the "Vanilla Chocolate Swirl"
WHMZakeri (2): Serela, Tamamo no dorMae
ActionDan (1): J.O.B
Serela (1): MySTKing
Shadoweh (1): WHMZakeri

Not Voting: ActionDan, Shadoweh
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
About 42 hours remain in the day.

ActionDan has been prodded. Apologies for dragging my feet on this.

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #250 on: November 24, 2011, 05:55:02 AM »
I've been around for a while now actually, like ~5 hours or so of actually being to look at the thread and do another re-read.  Before that my hands were tied :/. 

##vote: Shadoweh

Reads:

Scum: Shadoweh
Scummy: Zak, Dormio
Null: Selera
Towish: Job (this read is volatile, I'll explain later)
Town: Conq

Shadoweh is obvscum.  Now that you heard this ground-breaking news that I'm sure is a complete surprise, where are you going to put that vote missy?

Don't lynch me.

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #251 on: November 24, 2011, 06:02:15 AM »
Haven't decided yet. I heard there's this Action Dan dude that could use a smacking. I'll decide in the morning if I'm going to vote Conqueror or look at someone else.
I'd love to hear you explain some of those reads, like Zak and Dormio at the same time.


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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #252 on: November 24, 2011, 09:01:57 AM »
So, uh, I knew I was forgetting to do something.
That Dan and Mr. Shadow reread is a thing that I should be doing.

Although Dan hasn't posted that much, I can't really see anything that I dislike in his posts. He should do that thing where he explains why he sees the people he thinks are scummy the way he does, though.

Now, as for Shadoweh, so like. Your D1 activity.
There was so much of it, right? Why does it feel like I'm reading nothing?
Seriously, what has she done D1?
She argues about gameplay and stuff a lot, but contributes almost nothing herself.
What is her major contribution to the game?
"Zakeri is scum because he's making the same case against me when I was scum and he was town." :V
The others?
"Conq is scum because."
"Schezo is town because."
Also of note:
#117 "JOB is too derp to be scum"
#142 "JOB is someone I would vote for"
:V

Shadoweh kept going on D1 about how she disliked Conq, yet failed to actually explain it until today.

I just get this weird nagging feeling that he's attacking others for going after people he knows are town and therefore knows they will look bad after the flip.
Also, as Conq mentioned, Shadoweh emphasizing that she thought that both Schezo and PX were town is a thing. #219 gives me especially bad vibes. I mean, #219 kind of embodies the thing that Shadoweh is accusing Dan of in the quote above, doesn't it?

#240: Again, why should I bother explaining my town reads? Especially when you vehemently defended Schezo D1 with no reason given. :V

Yes, upon this proper reread, I'm reversing my opinion of Shadoweh.
##Unvote
##Vote Shadoweh


Also, on an unrelated note. Conq's current avatar. Moe. That is all.

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #253 on: November 24, 2011, 09:58:48 AM »
O_o Dormio, that quote is about DAN. Not Conqueror. The difference is the willingness to actually defend your town friends instead of letting them get lynched first.

And this is why you should explain your reads. You've just gone from 'Shadoweh is townish for reasons I will not explain' to 'Shadoweh is scum'. I gave multiple reasons why Schezo was town throughout the day.

Let's see, Day 1 I interfered with people trying to lynch Schezo, started a wagon on Zakeri, and got ignored because I was scum with Schezo and people wanted to lynch PX because PX was scum because hell if I know. That's twice now, by the way.  Twice you've hopped onto a growing town wagon in the Official Scum Spot. What did I do D1? What didn't I do Day 1? Lynch town, that's what. This is still avoiding the actual wagon and trying to lynch someone unrelated. Yesterday I had bad feelings about Conq. Today I started off with extremely hypertensive feelings towards Conq. And yet I haven't felt confident enough to vote for him. I can't figure out why that is. But hell, live by the gut and die by it. And if Conq isn't scum the scum driving the PX wagon is you.
"Zakeri is scum because he's making the same case against me when I was scum and he was town." :V
I thought it was scummy to use reasoning stolen from another game. I have since apologized for assuming Zakeri was trolling me. We're townie friends now (even if he's likely to help you with this charade.)
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The others?
"Conq is scum because."
"Schezo is town because."
The first one I give you. The second is incorrect after about 48 hours. Schezo was town for involving himself directly in the game instead of letting the action happen around him and adding comments between ducking under rocks. This is something I stated repeatedly. I stated exactly why I felt PX was town as well.
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Also of note:
#117 "JOB is too derp to be scum"
#142 "JOB is someone I would vote for" :V
Let me ask you something. If you were given JOB as a scum partner, what would you advise him to do during the day? I would tell him to be as annoying as humanly possible. If someone asks why you think they're scum, say it's because they did scummy stuff. Give people the runaround! I couldn't decide whether he was doing it on purpose or not. I don't think so now. I was really hoping he was scum though. :<

Status of Shadoweh's Current wagon:
Zakeri: Shadoweh is still scum I'll reread the game brb 1 week
Dan: Shadoweh is obvscum because BUNNIES!
Dormio: I'm allergic to having consistent town reads and I heard this wagon was picking up steam <-- I'm aware he didn't actually say this but this is what I'm hearing.

Why do all my wagons always sound like you guys were eating freaking paint chips before posting?

##Vote: Dormio
You're floating through this game. This attack is the scummiest of all.


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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #254 on: November 24, 2011, 10:17:49 AM »
Your entire case on Zakeri is based on defending me.
No really, that's what alot of #160[/quote] boils down to. The word Shadoweh appears more in that paragraph then Zakeri. He's attacking Shadoweh for an invalid reason, see thinking I'm going to get lynched. He has no case and is just saying Shadoweh is scum because she read Schezo as town. Zakeri's attacks on Shadoweh feel off. These posts can't be taken correctly in context because the entire argument falls apart the minute you consider Shadoweh as scum.

Regarding reasonings in [url=http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg751875.html#msg751875]#237
. First point is more linking Zakeri to Shadoweh.
Second point seems like you're asking if people found the option scummy. Zak was obviously expressing that between two town reads and himself he was frustrated he might be the best lynch between them. You call it AtE, I call it townie frustration. It's a towntell.

At the moment this case allows you to just throw your case on Zakeri out the window until tomorrow when gasp Shadoweh is the town! :o Not that you explained anything about why you've dropped Zak. It would be hard to since he literally hasn't posted.


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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #255 on: November 24, 2011, 10:19:08 AM »
I know how to link posts. Shut your filthy mouths.
#160
#237


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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #256 on: November 24, 2011, 10:22:31 AM »
Sup guys, I'm posting from my sister's laptop :V

Dormio: I'm allergic to having consistent town reads and I heard this wagon was picking up steam <-- I'm aware he didn't actually say this but this is what I'm hearing.

##Vote: Dormio
You're floating through this game. This attack is the scummiest of all.
Ummm... In your #219 you said you thought Dormio was town.
Now you're voting him.
That doesn't look like consistent town reads to me.

Cut by Shadoweh.
:V

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #257 on: November 24, 2011, 10:34:57 AM »
To be honest I hadn't been reading Dormio's posts since the beginning of the day. He just felt town so I've been ignoring him.


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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #258 on: November 24, 2011, 10:39:44 AM »
Come to think of it that's probably because of the constant defending. This is textbook buddying combined with chainsaw defending in order to make cases on town attacking town. This is a reminder to myself to stop ignoring people being scum in front of me and actually reread people based on things besides likes/hates Shadoweh.


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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #259 on: November 24, 2011, 10:53:21 AM »
Aww yeah, let's get this mafia ball rolling.

O_o Dormio, that quote is about DAN. Not Conqueror. The difference is the willingness to actually defend your town friends instead of letting them get lynched first.
And? I'm referring to Conq's #230. The following, to be specific.
Suddenly you're acting all righteous since you "got" PX's alignment right before the flip and you "knew" Schezo was town. Alright, you get credit for being right, but I don't like the attitude that now PX was obvtown and "doing good" and his wagon was built to troll him.

And this is why you should explain your reads. You've just gone from 'Shadoweh is townish for reasons I will not explain' to 'Shadoweh is scum'. I gave multiple reasons why Schezo was town throughout the day.
You were townish because I only skimmed through your posts. Upon actually reading them, I find a lot of your content to be absolutely meaningless.
Your "He posted a lot earlier, even though he isn't posting much now."? Because you can magically glean alignments from inconsistant activity levels, right? :V

Let's see, Day 1 I interfered with people trying to lynch Schezo, started a wagon on Zakeri, and got ignored because I was scum with Schezo and people wanted to lynch PX because PX was scum because hell if I know.
Yeah. Interfered. "GAIZ SCHEZO IS TOWN. JUST LISTEN TO ME K?"
PX is always scum, just look at DtB. :V

That's twice now, by the way.  Twice you've hopped onto a growing town wagon in the Official Scum Spot.
Two is my favorite number.

What did I do D1? What didn't I do Day 1? Lynch town, that's what. This is still avoiding the actual wagon and trying to lynch someone unrelated.
Hahahahaha. Most sus statement ever, bro.

Yesterday I had bad feelings about Conq. Today I started off with extremely hypertensive feelings towards Conq. And yet I haven't felt confident enough to vote for him. I can't figure out why that is. But hell, live by the gut and die by it. And if Conq isn't scum the scum driving the PX wagon is you.
"Conq is obvscum but I won't vote for him until someone else can build a proper case for me." :V

I thought it was scummy to use reasoning stolen from another game. I have since apologized for assuming Zakeri was trolling me. We're townie friends now (even if he's likely to help you with this charade.)
#219. Uh huh, townie friends. Totes.

The first one I give you. The second is incorrect after about 48 hours. Schezo was town for involving himself directly in the game instead of letting the action happen around him and adding comments between ducking under rocks. This is something I stated repeatedly. I stated exactly why I felt PX was town as well.
:V
Oh yeah, 48 hours later, and because he defended himself? I'm pretty sure that most scum don't just give up and die the moment that they're accused of being scummy on D1. :V
I assume that you're referring to #174 when you say that you explained your town read on PX. And it's basically "I like PX's AtE.", isn't it?

Let me ask you something. If you were given JOB as a scum partner, what would you advise him to do during the day? I would tell him to be as annoying as humanly possible. If someone asks why you think they're scum, say it's because they did scummy stuff. Give people the runaround! I couldn't decide whether he was doing it on purpose or not. I don't think so now. I was really hoping he was scum though. :<
Ragequit. Uh huh. So you couldn't decide whether or not JOB was scummy? I don't know, man, you sounded like you had already made up your mind by #117. Except apparently you had actually meant to say scum, as you say you would have voted for him in #142. Then you had no idea what you thought of him in #219. And now apparently you say that he's town again in #253. :V

Dormio: I'm allergic to having consistent town reads and I heard this wagon was picking up steam <-- I'm aware he didn't actually say this but this is what I'm hearing.
Kind of like you? I like the 180 on me as soon as I made a case on you. :V

Why do all my wagons always sound like you guys were eating freaking paint chips before posting?
What the fuck do you have against paint chips? I don't have any more crayons, okay?

##Vote: Dormio You're floating through this game. This attack is the scummiest of all.
Scummier than your OMGUS?

These posts can't be taken correctly in context because the entire argument falls apart the minute you consider Shadoweh as scum.
Yep. I reread you properly and therefore think that Zakeri is town now. Problem?

To be honest I hadn't been reading Dormio's posts since the beginning of the day. He just felt town so I've been ignoring him.
:V That's kind of exactly what I did to you yesterday.

Come to think of it that's probably because of the constant defending. This is textbook buddying combined with chainsaw defending in order to make cases on town attacking town. This is a reminder to myself to stop ignoring people being scum in front of me and actually reread people based on things besides likes/hates Shadoweh.
Could you explain this to me?

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #260 on: November 24, 2011, 11:32:47 AM »
It is on like Donkey Kong.
Aww yeah, let's get this mafia ball rolling.
And? I'm referring to Conq's #230.
And this explains why you were quoting Dan how?
Regarding the quote from Conq: That's right. How does that make me scum, in your own words?
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Your "He posted a lot earlier, even though he isn't posting much now."? Because you can magically glean alignments from inconsistant activity levels, right? :V
Misrep. The frequency of his posting combined with his actual content was gleamable. Though I'm flattered you think I'm a magician.
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PX is always scum, just look at DtB. :V
Deflection of guilt. This isn't DtB. I evaluate people by their current performance, not the mafia of however many games ago.
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Hahahahaha. Most sus statement ever, bro.
I don't even know what this is suposed to mean. It's mafia 101 to use flips to gain knowledge on players. By people ignoring the wagon the flips become useless.
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"Conq is obvscum but I won't vote for him until someone else can build a proper case for me." :V
Pulled out of nowhere. Also extremely hypocritical. Or through exchanging questions, accusations and beer bombs my belief in his scumminess has shaken. Speaking of building proper cases, when are you going to do that instead of following the droppings of other players?
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#219. Uh huh, townie friends. Totes.
It's not like I mentioned him after that or anything right.
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Oh yeah, 48 hours later, and because he defended himself? I'm pretty sure that most scum don't just give up and die the moment that they're accused of being scummy on D1. :V
More misrep when did I ever so much as imply Schezo was town for 'defending himself'? That reasoning wasn't used once. It was [urlhttp://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11367.msg750251.html#msg750251]24 hours[/url] by the way when I told people why I thought Schezo was town. Which you would know if you were actually rereading me instead of flinging crap.
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I assume that you're referring to #174 when you say that you explained your town read on PX. And it's basically "I like PX's AtE.", isn't it?
Well, besides saying I thought he was town in my first serious post and having generally stated that PX's points felt town to me before that, it would seem so. However saying it's because I liked his AtE is misrep still, I expressed my belief he was obvtown long before any AtE existed.
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Ragequit. Uh huh. So you couldn't decide whether or not JOB was scummy? I don't know, man, you sounded like you had already made up your mind by #117. Except apparently you had actually meant to say scum, as you say you would have voted for him in #142. Then you had no idea what you thought of him in #219. And now apparently you say that he's town again in #253. :V
Do not doubt the ability of the wild Shadoweh to waffle over reads. I would say JOB was the least likely of the people on my list in 142 to be voted, as denoted by how I didn't bother mentioning him. Why is my inability to make up my own mind followed by townie suport when the important lynching times came scummy?
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Kind of like you? I like the 180 on me as soon as I made a case on you. :V
You made me notice you. Congrats.
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Yep. I reread you properly and therefore think that Zakeri is town now. Problem?
Hugely. This means you're still linking our lynches together instead of evaluating us seperately as players. Scum Shadoweh does not denote a Town Zakeri, especially if I were looking at it from the outside, noting how I stopped supporting a wagon on him today.
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Could you explain this to me?
Do you need a dictionary? I'm saying your constant buddying, IE "Shadoweh is town" + "Zakeri is scummy for all these attacks he's doing on Shadoweh", and chainsaw defending, IE "Zakeri's attacks on Shadoweh are off therefore Zakeri is scum", especially combined with hopping onto me at a perceivable mislynch turnabout, make you a scummy kitsune.


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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #261 on: November 24, 2011, 12:45:33 PM »
Shadoweh, I hate how you format quotes. Also, you are too good at this URL linking thing.

And this explains why you were quoting Dan how?
Regarding the quote from Conq: That's right. How does that make me scum, in your own words?
I wasn't quoting Dan. I was quoting the statement that you made in regards to Dan. Like I said in #252, I thought that you yourself were guilty of the thing that you accused Dan of.
In my own words? I find your need to remind us on multiple occasions that you thought that both PX and Schezo were town and the attempts to use this as leverage to get what you want to be highly suspect.

Misrep. The frequency of his posting combined with his actual content was gleamable. Though I'm flattered you think I'm a magician.
I don't particularly like the reasoning, but whatever.
Of course you're a magician, for you've just cast a spell on my heart.

Deflection of guilt. This isn't DtB. I evaluate people by their current performance, not the mafia of however many games ago.
Yes and evidently people, including myself, thought that PX was scummy in this game. I don't really see how it's a deflection of guilt.

I don't even know what this is suposed to mean. It's mafia 101 to use flips to gain knowledge on players. By people ignoring the wagon the flips become useless.
The first part, where you say "What did I do D1? What didn't I do Day 1? Lynch town, that's what." is doing that thing again where you're emphasizing how you weren't on PX when he was lynched, and that your words should carry that much more weight because of it.

Pulled out of nowhere. Also extremely hypocritical. Or through exchanging questions, accusations and beer bombs my belief in his scumminess has shaken. Speaking of building proper cases, when are you going to do that instead of following the droppings of other players?
This is what I'm feeling. Throughout D1 you accused Conq of being scummy, yet failed to provide a case. You poked at Conq today, but without a vote, it doesn't amount to much. However I feel that, had somebody made a case on D1, or if they had made one today as well, you would have been all over that as fast as you could. Yes, this is speculation on my part. What of it?

It's not like I mentioned him after that or anything right.
Where are my glasses... Oh here they are. And somehow, I missed that post.
Okay, I'll concede that. Regardless, it still means that your D1 push on Zakeri was bad.

More misrep when did I ever so much as imply Schezo was town for 'defending himself'? That reasoning wasn't used once. It was 24 hours by the way when I told people why I thought Schezo was town. Which you would know if you were actually rereading me instead of flinging crap.
Both of them are for him posting frequently in the early portion of the game. The part where he was mostly defending himself due to me and, later, JOB.

Well, besides saying I thought he was town in my first serious post and having generally stated that PX's points felt town to me before that, it would seem so. However saying it's because I liked his AtE is misrep still, I expressed my belief he was obvtown long before any AtE existed.
Because questions followed up by nothing are so townie. :V
Anyway, I suppose I shall concede this point.

Do not doubt the ability of the wild Shadoweh to waffle over reads. I would say JOB was the least likely of the people on my list in 142 to be voted, as denoted by how I didn't bother mentioning him. Why is my inability to make up my own mind followed by townie suport when the important lynching times came scummy?
The fact that you didn't mention him doesn't really matter much. After all, you still expressed willingness to lynch when his lynch was viable, after having implied that you believed him to be town earlier.

You made me notice you. Congrats.
It was nothing.

Hugely. This means you're still linking our lynches together instead of evaluating us seperately as players. Scum Shadoweh does not denote a Town Zakeri, especially if I were looking at it from the outside, noting how I stopped supporting a wagon on him today.
It does not, but I believe that he would be far more likely to be town than not if you were scum.

Do you need a dictionary? I'm saying your constant buddying, IE "Shadoweh is town" + "Zakeri is scummy for all these attacks he's doing on Shadoweh", and chainsaw defending, IE "Zakeri's attacks on Shadoweh are off therefore Zakeri is scum", especially combined with hopping onto me at a perceivable mislynch turnabout, make you a scummy kitsune.
Yes. I hate english.
All I can say here is bad timing, I was gone for pretty much the first half of D2 so oh well.

I'm still tired from yesterday and I want to go to sleep. Screw ya'll.

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #262 on: November 24, 2011, 04:42:14 PM »
LOTS OF DELICIOUS SHADOWEHCONQ POSTS TO READ

I will devour them heartily

the words not the people :c

They make me think they're both town. ...no wait that's Dormio not Conq what am I saying. At some point it went from a Conq-Shadoweh spat to a Dormio-Shadoweh spat and I didn't notice ;_; Well where's the Conq part again... oh there's only one Conq post and yeah he feels the same to me as he did before so

god but I can't actually find anything to make a case out of ;_; I mean I read his posts and "THIS DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT" but I can't pick out any reasons to actually say he's scummy.

Also WHERE ARE YOU ZAKERI. And Dan that post is so incredibly barebones and lacking in :wikipedia: that I don't even. Get your asses back here. Both of you. Before I go >:C and reconsider the town read I have on you Dan.

...it really feels like I should have more to say then this, but I can't think of things to say about my second suspect and my main suspect hasn't posted in a long time. And everyone else still looks town enough so far.
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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #263 on: November 24, 2011, 05:55:48 PM »
It's dangerous to post around here (in my physical location) but I'll try to sneak in some mafia time before 3 pm when I leave to eat thanksgiving dinner.  I've had to retype this post about 3 times now.

Current thoughts: Dormio looking more town and is no longer ignoring Shadoweh.

Don't lynch me.

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #264 on: November 24, 2011, 06:15:55 PM »
Yeah... I'm not too surprised that people aren't really posting on -thanksgiving-. There's not really much to be done about that, I suppose. Ah well, we're going to have a mess to round up on D3, but it'll be fun I guess!
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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #265 on: November 24, 2011, 07:46:44 PM »
I have about 2/5 th's of what I want to say saved on Notepad.  Expect the rest in about ~6-7 hours depending on how long dinner takes.   It will be night and I won't be under anyone's thumb then.

Don't lynch me.

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #266 on: November 24, 2011, 09:52:24 PM »
Busy with Thanksgiving atm. Will post afterwards.


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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #267 on: November 24, 2011, 11:43:03 PM »
I keep being informed it's some form of holiday in your silly country.

@Huh what: Although there isn't room for one in the rules I would like to request a one day extention for Thanksgiving. Or the game being on hold or something. Yes.

Now back to arguing with the Koralian.

I hate how you keep quoting me wrong so we're even?

I wasn't quoting Dan. I was quoting the statement that you made in regards to Dan. Like I said in #252, I thought that you yourself were guilty of the thing that you accused Dan of.
In my own words? I find your need to remind us on multiple occasions that you thought that both PX and Schezo were town and the attempts to use this as leverage to get what you want to be highly suspect.
I think of it more as removing control of the wagons from those who have proven they are not good at them. Not only did you lynch town, the general consensus of thought has been you lynched town and gained no knowledge from it.
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Yes and evidently people, including myself, thought that PX was scummy in this game. I don't really see how it's a deflection of guilt.
This in itself is a deflection of guilt. You're saying it's okay because other people were voting him. You were wrong. The lack of guilt from any of you for throwing a lynch away also angers me. We only have two mislynches before suddenly we're in LYLO.
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The first part, where you say "What did I do D1? What didn't I do Day 1? Lynch town, that's what." is doing that thing again where you're emphasizing how you weren't on PX when he was lynched, and that your words should carry that much more weight because of it.
And? That's a statement of fact. We should be hunting on the flipped wagon, not on random people who were voting possible scum. There IS scum there. I can understand why you wouldn't want to be confirmed scum though.
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This is what I'm feeling. Throughout D1 you accused Conq of being scummy, yet failed to provide a case. You poked at Conq today, but without a vote, it doesn't amount to much. However I feel that, had somebody made a case on D1, or if they had made one today as well, you would have been all over that as fast as you could. Yes, this is speculation on my part. What of it?
It is almost like I hadn't decided if I wanted to vote Conq or not. I honestly can't say if another's case would have changed my mind, I get nervous when people agree with me. But this also comes from the viewpoint of attacking me for possibly attacking someone who is a suspect from the viewpoint that they're town. The same thing as with Zakeri. So what if I had voted Conqueror? Maybe someone's case would have pointed out him spelling 'I am scum' with the first words of all his posts or something. 
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Where are my glasses... Oh here they are. And somehow, I missed that post.
Okay, I'll concede that. Regardless, it still means that your D1 push on Zakeri was bad.
It means I think I was pushing town now. I accept no guilt for unflipped suspect lurkers. You don't seem to either, despite having clearly stated you were also willing to lynch him yesterday.
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Both of them are for him posting frequently in the early portion of the game. The part where he was mostly defending himself due to me and, later, JOB.
Thank you for reminding me you spent the early game attacking Schezo with JOB. :V Your reasoning for voting him was he was trying to get you to vote for a townie named PX. Funny how that worked out in the end.
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The fact that you didn't mention him doesn't really matter much. After all, you still expressed willingness to lynch when his lynch was viable, after having implied that you believed him to be town earlier.
His lynch was viable all day. His lynch never stopped being viable. Yet by the end I informed PX that he was town and there was no possibility of lynching him for being scum in my mind. I will maintain he was a better target to get out of the game then PX was.

I don't think you think I'm scum. The amount of conceding you do to me in this conversation admits you think most of your points are misunderstandings on your part. Keep choo chooing that mislynch scum.

To Serela, just because you're being town doesn't mean you should keep posting nothing substantial. <_< Read Dormio again so you can find the parts where he's scum. Read Conqueror again. Point out the parts that don't seen right to you. Actually look at Dan instead of threatening to think of him as less townie which is like.. the most adorably ineffective threat ever.


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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #268 on: November 24, 2011, 11:56:59 PM »
@Huh what: Although there isn't room for one in the rules I would like to request a one day extention for Thanksgiving. Or the game being on hold or something. Yes.
Given that I myself have been rather busy lately and we also have one person on V/LA right now, this seems fairly reasonable to me.

The end of day 2 has been pushed back to 3:30 PM on November 26th (PDT). You now have about 47.5 hours remaining in the day.

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #269 on: November 24, 2011, 11:59:38 PM »
Given that I myself have been rather busy lately and we also have one person on V/LA right now, this seems fairly reasonable to me.
Wait.. who's on V/LA?


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