Generic F11 Mafia - Game Over

[Shadoweh]

I'm asleep right now, can't you tell?
Doing what you have to do is one thing. I'm saying I wouldn't go out of my way to do it.

I accept your argument but I respectfully disagree with your viewpoint. About the wording, I realized it was awkward just after posting it. I couldn't really think of another way to put it, the gist is I'd prefer to choose neither.

You would have been better off phrasing it like that JOB, it would have been much less scummy. I need a break is much different then lol nowords4u.jpg. I just don't see his words as maliciously as you do.

[J.O.B]

So knowing that Shadoweh, how do you feel about lynching me over PX now?

[Shadoweh]

Choosing between them from my perspective is choosing between two town, someone strong (what is wrong with this group) and the troll (who isn't PX I AM EATING SOAP RIGHT NOW).

[J.O.B]

Still, what do you think of me know that you know I didn't do it to troll?

[J.O.B]

EBWOP: Now that you know.

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Tally VII: The Votecount of the "Grape Garden"
Komeiji PX (3): MySTKing, J.O.B, Tamamo no dorMae
WHMZakeri (3): Shadoweh, ActionDan, Serela
J.O.B (2): Schezo, Komeiji PX
Shadoweh (1): WHMZakeri

Not Voting: None!
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. You have about 5 hours remaining in the day! Better hurry up! Remember, no majority means No Lynch, and two No Lynches means that everybody loses.

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4 hours remain in the day!

[Conqueror]

Uh so.
I don't know if I'm going to be around at the end of the day.
Where did everyone go?

[WHMZakeri]

So I take it my only choices are between PX, JOB, and myself?
with such a wonderful selection, I might as well pick myself.

Shadoweh going "SCHEZO IS TOWN, SCHEZO IS TOWN" Annoys me to hell and back, because even though every single instance she says it is at least partially justified, I still can't see it as anything other than "DON'T LYNCH ME, DO I LOOK LIKE TOWNSHADOWEH YET? SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME I'M OBVTOWN."
Also annoying is that the case on me largely translates to "Remember that game Zak was town and Shadoweh was scum in? Let's pretend that Zak doing the same thing again means that Zak is Scum and Shadoweh is Town!"
I've already said I didn't realize I made the same post. Shadoweh seems to be insisting in post 142 that I would, as scum, intentionally copy a reasoning that
a. Didn't convince people to vote the person I was trying to lynch.
b. Caused people to believe I was scum.
and
c. caused me to think and utilize my role in a way as to preserve the victory of the other team.
Why would I intentionally make parallels to this post? Why would that make more sense to people than maybe the fact that I made the same post because I'm the same person with the same line of thought?

I just want to delete the post, and pretend I'm not playing this game, but then I'd have to write another post, and it'd just be an even less thought out post than this.

Between Job and PX? Well, I'd pick PX basically because he's tunnling on a single person. JOB is much more useful because he's always here and asking questions from everyone, and stimulating discussion amongst the people he thinks deserve more talking time. He's annoying because he's somewhat aimless, but That's what gives town it's edge. If everyone tunneled on three people, we'd only have decent reads on three people.
##Unvote
##Vote: Komeiji PX

[WHMZakeri]

L-1, in case no one is reading HW's posts.

[ActionDan]

Shadoweh, my thoughts on conq are as follows: I liked his initial vote on schezo and I liked his later switch to Px.  Both votes felt natural to me due to the reasons he cited for voting.  i.e., Schezo early aggression towards Dormio and Px's embellished reasons for the job vote.  His further posts addressing Px are consistant and agreeable to me.  The dialogue between you and him recently only gives me good feelings.  In short, he's my strongest town read.

One thing while you are here Conq.  Zak was the one to say he had a 100% town read of Dormio.  But as far as I can tell, that's ONLY based off Scum!Shadoweh.  considering the evidence he provided is weak to prove Scum!Shadoweh, I don't see how he could possibly consider Dormio 100% town unless he is sure shadoweh is 100% scum, which I simply can't imagine.  Besides "Shadoweh is weird" do you see anything coming from Zak which gives credence to his claim of shadoweh scum?  If so, is it weak or strong?

Shadoweh, I am getting the feeling that some of your reads are starting to come from left field. No, that's not exactly it.  I hesistate to use the word "disconnect", but I can't see your pattern of reads in any other way.

First, Dormio is mysteriously crossed out from your "willing to vote" list.  Now when did you say you felt Dormio was a townie?  All I remember is you answering him with one liners.  Your recent emphasis on Conq seems just as founded as Serela's "Conq seems weird, dislike".  Your dialogue with Conq recently sounds like you are trying to fight using Px as a wedge.  You sound overdefensive, especially over something as WIFOMy as your own meta.  Is there something you distrust about Conq still? Because I have yet to see something materialize from your end.  Why isn't Job crossed out if you think he's town?  Even if you'd vote him over Px, would you vote him over everyone else you crossed out?  You haven't actually said much about me either way besides once when you said you wouldn't vig me.  What makes you say "I need to reconsider my read dan, he's being quiet."  when your "read" of me was barely expressed before and still only seems dependant on whether you have a slash through my name or not.  Do you think Schezo is being quiet?

Schezo I didn't fully consider this:

Serela's post now that he's started playing seems alright and brings up some nice points like the ones on Zak.  He's a null one.

Serela barely has anything to say on Zak expect that Serela doesn't know who Zak thinks is scum.  What do YOU think of Zak?  And Px?

Serela, saying you "sorta have a case on Zak" doesn't mean you have a case.  You have yet to support your opinions on Zak, Conq, or Px. 

Dormio, you now think Shadoweh is more townie than scummy.  Please explain why.

Px, Job isn't getting lynched today.  You expressed previously your opinion of Zakeri went downhill (albeit because of my case), recently the most you have to say is that you interpreted his #71 as jokish.  What about his #129?  It's strange to me that you are not addressing Zak as time whittles down.

Zak, I understand your feelings on Shadoweh.  I also understand your frustration with your #71.  I experienced similar exasperation in Vanilla mafia 2 when I tried to joke about "Px feels like he roled scum finally" in my first post and ate crow the rest of the day for it.  However, I certainly did not give up.  I raged, but I posted all I could to make up for it.  I do not see you doing the same (posting as much as you can with or without rage).  I'm scared because I do not trust Shadoweh at all, and Serela has not produced enough to merit his vote (on anyone really).

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Sleep is for the transient people.

Dormio, you now think Shadoweh is more townie than scummy.  Please explain why.

Why should I?

[Schezo]

Ok, so looking at the votecount, it seems that I can choose JOB PX or ZAK. 

Time to spit some hot fiery truth and I'm going to tell you right now, you're not going to like it.

I would not like to lynch any of these people and would place Shadoweh over PX and Zak.

I mainly am having a problem with Conq now and it struck me where this weird odd feeling floating around him is coming from.
Let's start with his thing about attacking people over play style and constantly moaning about it.

I'm reading your case on JOB and I'm not getting the gist of it because a lot of it seems to be based on refuting shitty logic.

First of all, is that not how you play mafia and find scum?  Find their shitty logic and throw it back in their face?  I personally think so.
Then, why do you get the right to stop reading us and find anything noteworthy about what is said just because you don't like the format?  Really?
This is after you made it a point on me for "A lot of his questions seem to be attacking playstyle"

in fact, I think he's likely to be more appeasing as scum as seen by his first game

I'm not taking this because he had Huh What and Kilga mentor telling him what to say.  Scum doesn't have that here.

I don't like the JOB vote. It basically reads as a massive OMGUS.

So you aren't reading me refute bullshit logic with my "OMGUSing" A B C.

I've basically stopped reading the exchange between the two of you because I'm not getting anything from it and it's a null tell to me until you two can stop posting in quote stripes that no one will ever read. Seriously.

Ok, this one gets me really hard.  You know what it tells me.  "I can ignore stuff I don't want to read, push it off as bad syntax and say stuff about others."

But in all seriousness, why don't you concisely summarize the scummy shit JOB has done? In a format that people can actually read.

Posting this first because I hate reading walls as a player; I'd rather read sextuple posts.

Why I have a problem with it is because you keep going on and on about it so you can later use it as an excuse to attack "Player Style"  No, read it how it's placed.  You don't get to ignore it just because it's not how you want to see it.

Meta defending JOB because he ISN'T acting like Kilga mentor Depore is bull shit,  bullshit.
All of the metagaming stuff is.  Why don't we go after people for their play now? 
So I'm heavily disliking Conq now.  And I truly feel that a JOB flip will not only reveal a lot about him but also all of you other mofos who have been meta gaming over I don't even know what, half the game?

Vote stays on JOB because one, I don't feel he's redeemed himself as much as the rest of you.  And two, I find the other two canidates other than him townier. 
Conq is my number 1 choice really.
JOB's just second.

That Action Dan:
I acted on the blank unvote for being bad because he had suspicion on another person and chose to not act on it.  If it was a blank unvote like you say after acknowledging he had PX suspicion it's no longer blank.  I didn't take his view seriously because of said expressed suspicion.  His point you fall back to, did not have much weight nor does it now because he expressed suspicion of PX.  Had it have been a blank unvote, I would let you say such things IF HE DIDN'T SAY HE DISLIKED PX.  He did though and that was the problem for the whole thing.  Asking someone to act on THEIR suspicion, not mine is not my fault since I wasn't "forcing" him to vote, I asked where it was.
After reading this post you still didn't get what happened or is that how you're going to close it on me, what?
Cut: by the Dan.
I don't feel Zak is scum like the rest of you do, PX is also townier than thou.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Anyway, I don't think I have much more to say, since not much happened while I was asleep anyway.
I will be here until deadline though, and reading until then.

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
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3 hours and 10 minutes remain in the day!
Komeiji PX (4): MySTKing, J.O.B, Tamamo no dorMae, WHMZakeri (L-1)
WHMZakeri (3): Shadoweh, ActionDan, Serela
J.O.B (2): Schezo, Komeiji PX

Not Voting: None!
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Komeiji PX is at L-1!

[ActionDan]

So.  Can you explain why you feel the way you do about Zak/Px?  And your vote at least shouldn't be on Job if you are serious about wanting Shadoweh dead.  Unless you think Job is viable and want Job to die more than Zak/Px.

I am willing to switch to Px at least to secure a lynch but will not do so until about 20 min before deadline.

Timeline for you vs Dormio is as follows:  Dormio unvotes ---> Px posts ----> you vote Dormio -----> Dormio asks you a question and says he dislikes Px. -------> says he wants to wait for you before deciding on his vote.  -----> you say you are voting him for his unvote and further query why he doesn't fix that by voting Px because of his suspicions. 

I don't see how Dormio is in the wrong here and I still don't see how you are justified in attacking Dormio on the grounds he didn't vote Px when he said he disliked Px.  If you are gonna link me a post of tons of point/quotes at least pick out the one or two that are revelant.  at the moment I have no idea what you want to me to see in there.

[Schezo]

JOB's just second.

What is it with people not reading my posts?

And I wanted you to reread my interpretation of the post in general.  But I'll take that interpretation of it since it was early day 1 and not the best of cases for voting for an Unvote and the PX express etc. 

[Schezo]

So.  Can you explain why you feel the way you do about Zak/Px?  And your vote at least shouldn't be on Job if you are serious about wanting Shadoweh dead.  Unless you think Job is viable and want Job to die more than Zak/Px.

Actually I can't bitch properly being on a phone right now but are you doing what you accused me of being in the wrong for in the Dormio thing?

[ActionDan]

Schezo, missed that reason for Job.  Also, no? 

It's close to deadline, Zak and Px seem like the most likely people who will get lynched, (I am not willing to lynch Job over either at least).  All of a sudden you are saying they are both town with no backing.  I haven't looked at all your posts to find out what you previously thought about Px but I know you said Serela made good points against Zak.  I'm asking what changed your mind knowing that you may be forced to vote for one or the other to break a tie.

[ActionDan]

Also, will you be on your phone until deadline?

[ActionDan]

@Dormio:  Because at the moment the only reason I can see that you are putting Shadoweh as townie is because you find Zak weird. 

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Again, why do you need to know why I find someone townie?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also, uh, PX doing that whole claiming thing would be nice.

[ActionDan]

Again, why do you need to know why I find someone townie?

Because you once thought they were scummy.  What changed?  It's for the purposes of having your thought process exposed, so the rest of us can check if it makes sense from a townie standpoint.

[PX]

Again, why do you need to know why I find someone townie?

Because that's one of the reasons why you're voting me?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

What does Shadoweh have to do with you?

[PX]

Namely, why did he consider ActionDan to be townie in his list of reads when Conq and Zakeri had actually posted more than Dan

I repeat, why do you need to know why I find someone townie.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Because I found it to seem like a double standard in your case.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Because you say, in #89, that Conq and Zak are null to you and require more posts, yet Dan who has less posts than either is townie to you.

[PX]

Also, uh, PX doing that whole claiming thing would be nice.

##Vig: JOB
##Vig: Conq