Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)

[Kiva-la]

I'm going to have to go soon, there's a thunderstorm outside, and I don't want to charge my laptop in case of a power surge.

[Kiva-la]

@Mod: Can we have a votecount?

[Kiva-la]

Thunderstorm has passed now, I can stay on for much longer.

[Kitten4u]

>V-V-V-Votecount!  Serela, I said to post one every page! >:| edition

Captain Li Shang (1) Bardiche
Duff Beer (0):
Alpha 60 (0):
Saki Morimi (0)
Merryweather (0)
Mr.Krabs (2): Duff Beer, Barney
Barney (3): Merryweather, Mr. Krabs, Captain Li Shang
Duffman (0)
Gilgamesh (0):
Megaman.EXE (0):
Bardiche (2): Saki Morimi, Gilgamesh

Not Voting: 4 other people.

38 hours left in the day. With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch. Barney is at L-3. Link to Countdown for D2 Deadline

[OOO]

I want to see Barney lynched today. I'm pretty sure I was premature in my initial assessment of him getting better- It seemed like he was actually scumhunting, but... That's not really the case. His opener today seems like a lackluster attempt to rehash the Krabs case, and from there he doesn't actually further elaborate on why Krabs is bad, but pays more attention to Beer. His D1 cheerleading still stands, for the record, the reason he posted with no change in interest should be obvious- he got called out for it and threw a vote to try and smooth it over. I was willing to give him a benefit of doubt due to him having a large inactivity time, but it doesn't seem like he's doing actual scumhunting here.

I'm pretty sure Gilgamesh hasn't actually changed and I'm not sure why we're litting him sit pretty and high because of role-shenanigans. Seriously. He's still doing the same crap as yesterday, and I'm not exactly pleased to see my expectation he'd start to target the dead coincidentally came true. I suppose it isn't his fault, but I'd like to ask why he targeted who he did as well as politely ask him to say something so we can atleast get something out of him.

Elsewise as stands, Order of scum-> Town is

Barney>Gilgamesh>Beer>Bardiche>Merry Weather=Alpha>Saki=Duffman>Li=Mr.Krabs

Beer feels worse than Bardiche to me mostly due to degree of role shenaniganry to actual content, though they may just be a player relying on shenaniganry too much and I can't really pinpoint any bad feelings on them. Bardiche is above rest due to general D1 and omgus response to wagon. Alpha and Merry weather are seperated from Saki and Duffman due to a few odd kinks, but I'm mostly sure they're town.

If you excuse me, I now have around 2 hours to do work I haven't been doing because you people wanted me to mafia.

##Vote: Barney

[Kiva-la]

Now that means Barney is at L-2. If I got my numbers right.

[W]

Duffman is going to RIGHTEOUSLY SUMMARIZE THIS PAGE!
 :wikipedia: :wikipedia: :wikipedia: :getdown:
 Barney --->  :flamingv: <--- Mr. Krabs

Dudes be slapfightin'

Marrymeweather, I think we went over this yesterday about Li. He hasn't coincidentally targetted the dead duder according to him, and if he were scum he'd have a dude ready to say they were totally talking. He is probably not faking. Duffman has to run but he'll be very upset if Alpha tries to take a shot at Duff Beer like it looks like he wants to because that would be booogus.

[Kiva-la]

Duffman, who do you think is the scummiest so far? Because it appears you have no vote down.

[Kaku Seiga]

... I feel like my brain has fried.

On the current debacle I side (shock!) with Krabs here, in that he seems to come off as more reasonable than Barney and Barney's accusations leveled against him seem a stretch.

... ohgod I can't do this why. I keep reading but nothing comes to mind.

[Ryuki]

OK, apparently I was absurdly unaware during the morning. Let's try this again.

I am not buying that logic for one second that you couldn't comment on any of the other wagons when you were the sole supporter of your lynch.

# Votes =/= # Supporters. I hope this isn't new for you, since it shouldn't be. Now... #184, #193 and #196 should be enough examples for you. You had arguably the most influence over the voters at that point (proving this against me, Orange and even the early Alpha vote, all of which had turned into wagons). You were strongly approving of my Beer case, and it was pretty clear to be your second lynch, after Orange. Now, tell me, with Orange (and Beer) not posting yet, and with a vig in the air, how impossible was a Beer vote? Yeah, it was perfectly plausible. I was the only vote, yes. It didn't look like outrunning the Orange wagon at the time, yes. But I really did believe that a Beer lynch was perfectly possible, something that made me feel fine with how I left the day. That didn't end up being true, and I would have noticed this were I not gone. Unfortunately, I was gone, and now I'm facing CONSEQUENCES that I honestly did not see coming.

Regarding Krabs... ugh, my head hurts. I honestly do not know how I missed those. Now for what I can answer:

Why are you insistent that I used your lacking activity D1 as a reason for suspicion? I did not. The only reason I mentioned that is because it made it so my opinion on you didn't change. Your D2 seemed like a repeat of D1 so I was inclined to continue the pressure but apparently that was unjustified. I ISO'd Bardiche, and like I pointed out, I found stuff that I didn't like, but these seemed more town-plausible mistakes than what I pointed out in your D1, which was pretty much what made me press on. So, yes, I made a mistake. Can you explain your absurd capitalization on this mistake? I think it was... a 'tad' too extreme, like Duffman showed nicely with very nice emoticons.
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Gilgamesh cannot continue like this. The only thing I see from him is his Bardiche post which really lacks in content. Actually, he only talks about Bardiche. You've got people fast and furious about me and you can't even comment on it? How's this going to look when I flip? Ditto on Saki.

Duffman is extremely vote-light. Also, your last post 'summarized' Krabs' rebuttal without actually sharing what you think about it. You've been making a lot of opinions and little actions all game. What's your course of action right now?

Can Duff Beer please stop constantly disappearing? You're almost making me sorry for stopping the pressure. You still have yet to answer any of my questions, too.

I feel like the day -stopped-. Why is no one answering questions? Why are people hesitant with their opinions? To top it all off, I can't think straight. I need rest :L

[Kick Hopper]

Question to everybody.

I have a vig.  It could be used on Barney. 

The thing is, if it was, I don't have a good idea about who the rest of you want dead.  In the back of my mind I hear instances of "you're worse than Bardiche" which sounds like scum trying to focus Barney/Bardiche kill day.

Thing is even in the little time I have to read this game, Barney sounds town and his posts make sense stepping into his shoes.

Let me say that kanji targetting Li or Duffbeer was incredibly likely in the case that both are town.  Li because he soft cced twon!orange and scum might check him to want to push this and say all the right things for example.  Scum might very likely have targetted Duffbeer to find out all about the billion pills/crayons he carries.

I DEMAND DUFFBEER FULLCLAIMS OR I WILL SHOOT HIM IN THE FACE.

Li should name his confidant.  I don't buy his "strong town read" because unless he got the guy who shot kanji last night, I don't find anyone to be a strong town read for me anymore.

Barney's wagon looks like my D1 wagon in Vanilla Mafia II, and I distinctly remember being absolutely livid at half the town.

I am extremely livid at half the town this game as well.

[Kick Hopper]

Also pass the blue pill.

[Kick Hopper]

He's still doing the same crap as yesterday, and I'm not exactly pleased to see my expectation he'd start to target the dead coincidentally came true.

Yes Gilgamesh is doing crap, but his role is useless anyway and your filling up your post with Gilgamesh hate with that kind of thing included by saying "he'd ... target the dead" is pretty awful.

Btw I think your post says a whole lot of nothing and if I had two vigs you'd be the 2nd.

##Vote: Megaman

That's the least I can do. 

Your doing a smashing job.

[Kick Hopper]

Btw, when will we mass claim.

I say no later than tomorrow.

And I don't admire Bardiche not being here during this, although I really don't know what I'd want him to say. 

[Kaku Seiga]

'3' Mass claim doesn't seem like a good idea to me, personally.

I can sorta understand Megaman's frustration with Gilgamesh though who seems to just be LOL BLINDERS and then votes on whatever seems convenient at the time. I just happen to think he's an idiot and waste rather than scum though.

[Skull]

I thought about roles for a sec, and then I remembered about the soft counterclaim by Li over Orange.
What are the chances of two communication specific role specifically for townies?
Unless someone can claim true for Li Shang, I highly suspect he is scum.

##Unvote
##Vote Li Shang

Looking at it this way makes me believe Bardiche much more then Li Shang.

On the Barney note, it looks like Barney is backing off on Mr.Krabs because he found out Mr.Krabs can bite him back.

Duffman...a skim through his posts looks more to me like answering, random rebukes and defending people other then hunting.
As well as the wifom in this where he uses "scum would be yapping away about being contacted". When town should have no fears of it either.

[Ryuki]

I can't find any signs of my backing off. The only thing I can see being mistaken as that is when I admitted my mistake. Should I not admit mistakes next time?

Is there any actual reason for Li's supposed talk-buddy not to reveal themselves? I don't see one.

[Kick Hopper]

Bardiche needs prod.
Duffbeer needs to show up or get one too.

Gilgameshes vote makes 1/2 sense.  There may be two communication roles for town, especially given that kanji can find out the indentities of people who linked other's in a QT.  However, the soft cc was justified given that the role was confirmable.  I'd like Li to confirm it.

Barney is obviously on the defensive since 1/2 of town is voting him/wants him dead.  And yes, Barney is still town to me.  Krabs/Barney (town/town) looks like a proxy fight for people to focus on rather than think about other things.  LIKE DUFFBEER AND THE PILLS OF INDETERMINATE STALLING.

[Kick Hopper]

Btw, H- I mean Gilgamesh, can you indentify Orange.  He's the only one whose identity is not obvious.  This would confirm your role.

[Kick Hopper]

I have 1 1/2 hours until 24 hours in the day remain.

Since Duffbeer has another 3 hours until his prod I'll wait till then.

My targets are MEGAMAN,BARDICHE,DUFFBEER.

If DuffBeer doesn't post until his prod, he's a dead man.  If he does post but doesn't full claim, he's a dead man.

If he does full-claim, I'm asking for the claims of Megaman/Bardiche, unless I make a decision to shoot DuffBeer immediately.     

[Serela]

Bardiche is being prodded

[DiEnd]

I'd be down for a Megaman LYNCH (not vig) since you know that smoke never happened and his post is less than desireable just because of the stones from the glass house.  He has literally been non existant so this list needs some explaining.

Barney>Gilgamesh>Beer>Bardiche>Merry Weather=Alpha>Saki=Duffman>Li=Mr.Krabs

Especially the Krabs part.
Full claim if you would.

The reason I would prefer his end of day lynch is so we can talk about what happens after someone more active and with those connections get shot.  Shooting an active then lynching a lurker would be better.

I knew it was a cop of some sorts, hmm? The whole point of what I'm doing is because I have no idea what he's up to. Yes, it's some sort of rolecop. Is it purely a rolecop? What the hell is he doing with it, considering he hasn't given his result for Alpha yet? The fact that Duff Beer refuses to explain any of this is just annoying. I'm not trying to milk him for info, I'm legitimately curious. I obviously don't have a problem putting myself to such a test. Actually, yeah, apparently what I'm doing is stupid/scummy or something, so whatever, I'm doing it.

Since Barney's explaination for not wanting to get copped is, "it's annoying how he's doing it" I really don't like it.

# Votes =/= # Supporters. I hope this isn't new for you, since it shouldn't be. Now... #184, #193 and #196 should be enough examples for you. You had arguably the most influence over the voters at that point (proving this against me, Orange and even the early Alpha vote, all of which had turned into wagons). You were strongly approving of my Beer case, and it was pretty clear to be your second lynch, after Orange. Now, tell me, with Orange (and Beer) not posting yet, and with a vig in the air, how impossible was a Beer vote? Yeah, it was perfectly plausible. I was the only vote, yes. It didn't look like outrunning the Orange wagon at the time, yes. But I really did believe that a Beer lynch was perfectly possible, something that made me feel fine with how I left the day. That didn't end up being true, and I would have noticed this were I not gone. Unfortunately, I was gone, and now I'm facing CONSEQUENCES that I honestly did not see coming.

First of all, because I have strong voice you expected me to flip the wagon?  I don't see what you mean by linking my posts.
I do not like that you want to say a beer lynch is plausible with LESS time in the day?  I mean what?

To the lovely dear that suggested mass claiming, you had better be joking before she finds the stick to hit you with.  If and when the time comes to do that we will.

TO THE PERSON SHARING A NEIGHBORIZE WITH LI SHANG, CLAIM RIGHT NOW.

Also, I'm about to disown Duffman since he has said all of jack diddly doodly today when we need it more than ever with a scum flip.  Seriously what the hell?  They're slapfighting.
Cool.
So is it a townxtown scumxtown slapfight, what?  It's just a blowaway comment.  Please produce like yesterday.

And why isn't Barney in the to shoot: list?

(The players are obvious Merry?)

[Faiz]

Still don't feel like saying what blue and red do. I will, however, ##Pass Blue Gilgamesh.

Anyway.

Just like everyone else in this game (well, mostly everyone else). So it's not really a good point.

Except for the part where, out of everybody that Kanji mentioned, you were the only one he felt the need to label as "town". Everybody else he had marked as scummy or neutral, so that he could jump onto them later.

Your jumps onto other wagons were much much worse.

And if my jumps were so bad, then why would you stop voting me?

I didn't consider Orange as scummy as Bard at that point.

Yes, but this contradicts your previous behavior with votes, where you justified keeping your vote on me because you wanted to pressure me into giving a response. In this case, you found both Orange and Bardiche scummy, but had things that you wanted answered from the Orange. Why did you not vote for Orange to pressure him into answering? At what point did your though process on how votes should be used change?

I thought it might not be the best thing ever, but it was arguably the best I had.

Moreso than the two people you said that you were leaning scum on, and the person that you said that you had disliked in most of your posts up until that point?

I never said I thought Duffman was scum, I only said I had a gut read on him.

Yeah, a gut read of scum. I fail to see the difference, here.

Did you think Bardiche was an easy target then?

I meant that as in why the hell would you just be going after easy targets, instead of scum.

As I said, gut read. I feel no need to express my gut read more than a couple of times unless it changes.

But you seemed to be providing a read of everyone else that you found suspicious. Well, whatever.

Both parties involved in the Krabs vs. Barney look terrible, but I think that Krabs is worse.

[Punch Hopper]

I don't stab my allies in the back. I don't know why they don't want to be named, but going ahead and outing them when they said they wanted to keep quiet is kind of a dick move.

I have no idea what to say to Gilgamesh because his vote on me is founded in something I can't defend. Though, why do you think I would fakeclaim a communication role to secure the lynch of a townie whose lynch was already essentially secured when it would cast doubt on me later?

Barney and Bardiche are both good shots targets. Barney looks scummier for the Duff Beer interactions, in my opinion, but I kind of figured Alpha wouldn't be willing to shoot him. Bard might deserve it more at this point for suddenly lurking out the current discussion, but I think Barney has been more polarizing and is probably the best vig target for the day.

Alpha why would you shoot Duff Beer asdjhdskgfkhjkj that is really fucked up. Do you think Kanji wanted to tunnel on his buddy and make said buddy the ED1 mislynch target!? I realllly can't imagine Duff Beer as anything but scum's initial intended mislynch for D1.

I don't think Duffman has deserted us and stopped reading the game even though he hasn't voted yet. Doesn't mean I don't want him to post his reads and vote, though.

[Punch Hopper]

but I kind of figured Alpha wouldn't be willing to shoot him.

...which is why I was saying "shoot bard, lynch barney" earlier. If Alpha is willing to vig Barney then I am entirely supportive of that.

[Kick Hopper]

DuffBeer you are about to get vigged.

Now is the time for last words.

Specifically try to answer all of this:

Your personal questionnarie

[Kick Hopper]

You know what's fucked up?  Leaving me in the fucking dust.  This entire town is fucked up. 

[DiEnd]

As in, fullclaim everything none of this "I don't wanna reveal-" no fullclaim everything. Now.

What do you mean, leaving you in the dust?

[Faiz]

Why would I cop you instead of Barney? Because if I wanted to check Barney's alignment, I think that death would be a better method. This also applies to Krabs and Gilgamesh.
If you're town, then you kind of do this thing where you're not dead.
Still not revealing blue and red, whoever is holding them can eat them whenever. They won't kill you is all I'll say.
Oh yeah, every color that isn't Blue, Red, or Yellow is a crayon. Crayons are tasty.
I didn't realize that Yellow would take longer to get the results because I didn't read the description where it said that I would get results at the end of a night phase.

[DiEnd]

What is so hard about fullclaiming it?  One more try.