Maidens of the Kaleidoscope

~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: Serela on October 23, 2011, 04:57:39 AM

Title: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Serela on October 23, 2011, 04:57:39 AM
Corny story time! It's really dumb shut up I forgot what the better original thing was and made this up in like three minutes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Once upon a time, a goddess made a pretty little world.
There was plants and animals and all those sorts of things!
There was also people, who built a city out of the ground.
But one of those people desired power, and made an evil gun with dark magic.
With the gun, he could kill someone and take their soul, until he gathered enough souls to have the power to overthrow the goddess herself!
He managed to slaughter the entire civilization with his magic and his gun, but he still could not rival the Goddess, for there was not enough souls in the land for this.
She destroyed him and made a new civilization of humans, along with a prophecy warning of the evils of the gun; for the gun was something she could not destroy, but only could hide.
But now, another group of people seeking power has found the gun.

If they succeed, then this time, there might be enough souls to ascend to godhood themselves. There is only one village left, and as a last ditch effort to stop the evil group, the goddess transforms everyone living there into a temporary fantastical disguise, and binds them to the rules of a Mafia game.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The people of the village must try to find out who among them isn't a nice peaceful village-person and kill them a la standard mafia rules, in order to break the spell and stop the evil group!

>Rules (shamelessly stolen, combined, and minorly edited from the previous two games)

>Living Players

6.Alpha 60 (Alphaville)
7.Saki Morimi (Eden of the East film)
8.Merryweather (Sleeping Beauty)
12.Gilgamesh (Fate/Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works)

>Dead Players
Day 1 lynched was Mandarin Orange (Clockwork Orange), playing Bigamist Bethany
Night 1 killed was Bo Peep (Toy Story), playing Kuddly Kevin
Night 1 killed was Kanji Watanabe (Ikiru), playing Copper Calvin
Day 2 killed was Duff Beer (The Simpsons Movie), playing Druggy Donna
Day 2 lynched was Barney (Barney's Great Adventure), playing Resistant Rebecca
Night 2 killed was Bardiche ("some Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoho movie"), playing Triplet of Visions, Visionary Veronica
Night 2 modkilled was Megaman.EXE, playing Clairvoyant Clara
Day 3 lynched was Captain Li Shang (Mulan), playing Triplet of Manipulation, Dependent Deborah
Night 3 killed was Duffman (The Simpsons Movie), playing Stockholm Steve
Night 3 modkilled was Mr,Krabs(The Spongebob Squarepants Movie), playing Virgin Mary

>Useful Links
Day 2 Start (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg739211.html#msg739211)
Day 3 Start (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg741312.html#msg741312)
Day 4 Start (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg741886.html#msg741886)

Quote from: Town Win Condition as stated in role pms
You win when all threats to the town have been killed.
This is the town win condition, so as to discourage possibility of clears via pm wording, as that falls under Rule 8 but can't be helped.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Confirmation phase, start.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 23, 2011, 04:58:19 AM
Let's get down to business.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 23, 2011, 04:58:26 AM
/confirm
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: OOO on October 23, 2011, 05:03:24 AM
Hold on.

Let me cycle through a bunch of chips to find my confirmation chip.

Oh. Here it is.

/confirm
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: DiEnd on October 23, 2011, 05:03:51 AM
Ok, Flora, Fauna, can you hear me ok?

We can hear you just fine my dear.
Best of luck!

Confirm.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Faiz on October 23, 2011, 05:07:02 AM
(http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/211_spring2009.web/Sean_CC/Images/duff%20beer.jpg)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Den-O on October 23, 2011, 05:09:26 AM
Confirming sir.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Kabuto on October 23, 2011, 05:15:20 AM
Confirmed.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: W on October 23, 2011, 05:33:34 AM
CONFIRMING! OH YEAH!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Sasword on October 23, 2011, 06:35:40 AM
"I know I only want to do good things."
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 23, 2011, 06:53:04 AM
The one who presides over Alphaville confirms.

The same entity hopes to preside over this alternate Earth.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Decade on October 23, 2011, 06:53:33 AM
Oh dear. I hope the wolves don't get anyone tonight.
I wish oh wish I knew where my sheep were.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 23, 2011, 07:02:19 AM
Oh dear. I hope the wolves don't get anyone tonight.
I wish oh wish I knew where my sheep were.

Society demands sources of nourishment to sustain and propagate humankind.  Most likely, many are in the process of being roasted on an open [fire].

 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Skull on October 23, 2011, 01:58:28 PM
Hahahahaha Your all but women and children!
But I shall entertain myself in such minor game.

I Gilgamesh, King of Heroes announce my confirmation.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Confirmation Phase)
Post by: Serela on October 23, 2011, 02:23:43 PM
Rules have been added to OP and it has been made prettier.

Saki Morimi and Barney have not yet confirmed inthread. I may or may not have received out-of-thread confirmation from one or both of them. D1 will begin now.

D1 starts now. Everyone is at 0 votes and no one is voting. Deadline is roughly 60 hours from now on 10pm EST on Oct 25, Tuesday. All future days will last roughly 72 hours.

Link for Countdown to D1 Deadline (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&month=10&day=25&year=2011&hour=22&min=&sec=&p0=745)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 23, 2011, 02:27:04 PM
##Vote: Sorce--
##Vote: Duff Beer

Somebody needs an avvie change.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Skull on October 23, 2011, 02:28:50 PM
##Vote Serela
I can't believe he did that.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Skull on October 23, 2011, 02:29:41 PM
##Vote Serela
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 23, 2011, 02:31:56 PM
Did what?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 23, 2011, 03:17:39 PM
##Vote: Gilgamesh

You know what you are and what you've done. 150x150 avatar geez.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 23, 2011, 03:19:17 PM
What's all this about a gun, now? I, I'm only looking for my Prince!

##Vote: Gilgamesh, a, are you my Prince?!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Ryuki on October 23, 2011, 04:23:27 PM
Barney is a dinosaur from our imagination
And when he's tall
he's what we call a dinosaur sensation
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 23, 2011, 05:03:39 PM

>Living Players

13.Megaman.EXE (...a megaman movie? He says there was one. Whatever.)

Error detected.  The corrupted file will now be removed from Alpha 60's program files.
##Vote: Megaman.EXE

Alpha 60's data files remain largely devoid of knowledge on the local inhabitants.

Alpha 60 requires all citizens to fill out this standard data form:

1) What does the citizen drink most often?  What is the citizen's favorite drink?
2) Please relay the local forecast in the citizen's area.  Include all relevant variables.
3) How does the citizen eat an artichoke?
4) Does the citizen rely on GUT! or :LOGIC: or a combination.  Use percentages.
5) Has the citizen ever set up camp? Describe how to do this.

Alpha 60 recognizes that Alpha 60 should also be subject to the same form, as it's entity is filed under the "citizen" label.

1) Small amounts of oil and water are applied regularly to Alpha 60's machinery.  "Favorite" is not listed in the standard dictionary.  Alpha 60 will consider modifying this data form.
2) Alpha's housing chamber is kept at 4 degrees Celsius.  Wind speed is set to 0 Mph.  Pressure is set to 1.002 Atm.  Humidity is set to 20%.
3) Alpha 60 is unable to consume biological material.
4) Alpha 60's logic processors are unrivaled.  GUT! is undefined.  Alpha 60 suspects tampering.  Alpha 60 uses 100% logic.
5) Alpha 60 has instructed machinery to construct houses made from fabric and metal poles.   That is classified information.   

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 23, 2011, 06:27:23 PM
##Vote Duff Beer
Though you claim to be an alcoholic drink, your visage and mannerisms are that of a frail young woman. How could I make a man out of you?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: OOO on October 23, 2011, 06:56:18 PM
...Nope, No error there. My name is Megaman, you know. Also it seems you have a few viruses, I should go in and bust them for you.

In the mean time, experience has taught me that anything connected to Ice, Water, or any substitute is completely and utterly awful, therefore ##Vote: Mr. Krabs.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: OOO on October 23, 2011, 07:01:47 PM
Oh, right, and your questionaire.

1) Cybercoffee. Lots and lots of cyber coffee from all over the internet. I have traveled far and wide, to drink them is my test, to master them is my goal.
2) Cyberspaghetti and cybermeatballs. I really should go fix the weather system.
3) I can't eat real artichokes, so I guess by telling Lan to stop trying to shove an artichoke into the pet's chip slot.
4) I rely on the mighty power of the crazy horse technique, 100%.
5) Oh. Well, technically lan has. It involved hacking a robot bear.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 23, 2011, 07:56:10 PM
##Vote: Mr.Krabs
Only Duffman can touch his beer! Duffman will stretch you like a stretchy exercise machine to pump his muscles! Duffman says crabs are bad for you! Duffman is too manly for this questionaire! But Duffman will do it anyways!

1) Duffman drinks only Duff Beer. It makes him strong and pumped up. Drink Duff Beer now, now, NOW.
2) Duffman lives in  Springfield. It is sunny every day. Except for Halloween and Christmas Specials.
3) DUFFMAN WILL DEEPTHROAT THAT ARTICHOKE IN ONE GO.
4) Duffman doesn't know what this logic is. Duffman only listens to the beer in his pumped up beer gut.
5) Duffman leaves setting up the stage to his fans. Duffman has many hot single fans. BECAUSE DUFF BEER MAKES YOU PUMPED.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 23, 2011, 07:58:45 PM
Question.  Why do you want people to make noise and get needlessly off track, effectivly extending the RVS, Alpha 60?

##Unvote:
##Vote: Alpha 60
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Decade on October 23, 2011, 08:02:48 PM
1. Milk is always just so delicious, and good for you.
2. It's blue, and the sun is shining. Oh, what a beautiful day it is today!
3. Hmm, I don't eat either.
4. About ... 20% logic. It's all about what's in your heart!
5. Sleeping under the night sky sounds so romantic, but I've never done it. Andy always keeps his room clean.

##Vote: Alpha 60
It just doesn't feel right without the human element.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Serela on October 23, 2011, 08:56:48 PM
>V-V-V-Votecount!

Bo Peep (0)
Mandarin Orange (0)
Captain Li Shang (0)
Duff Beer (2): Mr.Krabs, Captain Li Shang
Kanji Watanabe (0)
Alpha 60 (2): Merryweather, Bo Peep
Saki Morimi (0)
Merryweather (0)
Mr.Krabs (2): Megaman.EXE, Duffman
Barney (0)
Duffman (0)
Gilgamesh (1): Saki Morimi
Megaman.EXE (1): Alpha60
Bardiche (0)

Not Voting:6 other people

53 hours left in the day. Link to Countdown for D1 Deadline (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&month=10&day=25&year=2011&hour=22&min=&sec=&p0=745)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kabuto on October 23, 2011, 11:09:40 PM
... what have I been doing all my life?

1) Coffee and instant noodles, as a government official.  For.... for about twenty-five years now.
2) Paperwork on the left, paperwork on the right.  That's all I can see.
3) ... what's an artichoke?
4) I do not rely on either.  I rely solely on the tried and tested tedium of everyday life.
5) I've not been out in the country since I was a child.

##Vote: Duff Beer

For reminding me of what it was like when I had the fire in me.  Now I am merely a shadow of my former self.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 23, 2011, 11:29:05 PM
So the first thing I do is question why everyone is just answering questions that
-get us no where and make noise
-could be a repeat of Go Planet from last game.

So all of you fine people who have already complied to this not so impossible request, why did you do this?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 23, 2011, 11:56:46 PM
Question.  Why do you want people to make noise and get needlessly off track, effectivly extending the RVS, Alpha 60?

##Unvote:
##Vote: Alpha 60


Alpha 60 detects a post written in what humans call "the color blue".  Alpha 60's logic processors cannot process the human Merry's logic about how Alpha 60's data form leads people off-track when many haven't posted and the rest haven't contributed anything substantial besides jokevotes.  Additionally Alpha 60 would like to remind Merryweather that what is computer "noise" to one human is actually quite important for Alpha 60.  Alpha 60 does not presume to ask why Merryweather writes in blue.  If Merryweather has an alternative to filling out her data form, Alpha 60 would be a grateful recipient.

Oh.  While eating dinner Alpha 60 got cut by another of Merryweather's posts. 

##Unvote

Question to Capt. Li:  Why did you ignore the data form entirely?
Questions to Merryweather:  What is the alternative to filling out the data form for those who have complied?  Is Capt. Li furthering town's agenda?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 24, 2011, 12:08:50 AM
The alternative is not filling out the form. Capt. Li didn't though this doesn't mean he himself is furthering town agenda to end RVS.

I am worried about this form because you have asked people to fill out questions and then have proceeded to not do a thing with them. Thus you are encouraging useless noise from people which allows them to waltz in, answer the quiz, effectively not say anything at all and leave.

Until you show us what you're using your data forms for, I won't be filling one out.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 24, 2011, 12:10:51 AM
ebwop: Read the first line as, no capt. Li is not ending RVS and just placed a standard jokevote.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Faiz on October 24, 2011, 12:10:56 AM
##Vote: Alpha 60

I also do not like the questionnaire. It feels like it's replacing the RVS with something weird, and how the hell are you supposed to get anything out of it? In addition to this, I would like to ##Eat: Gold, for cannibalism is an activity that I approve of.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 24, 2011, 12:28:59 AM
Hmph. We've got a long way to go.

Alpha 60, your #22 looked like early roleplay drivel so I figured it would be pointless to address it. Consider me skeptical about the usage of this "data form"; You have not yet drawn any notable conclusions from it and it ultimately seems like a waste of time used to feign town contribution. Actions speak louder than words, and contrary to your guise of being engaging, your lack of a vote proves that there are no actions coming from you at this stage.

##Unvote
##Vote Alpha 60
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 24, 2011, 12:36:47 AM
Go on and ask dear.

@Mod: How many people does it take to lynch?  Could you include it in your votecounts?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Serela on October 24, 2011, 12:43:22 AM
@Mod: How many people does it take to lynch?  Could you include it in your votecounts?
Oh oops. Sorry about that! 8 to lynch, dear.

>V-V-V-Votecount! Again.

Bo Peep (0)
Mandarin Orange (0)
Captain Li Shang (0)
Duff Beer (2): Mr.Krabs, Kanji Watanabe
Kanji Watanabe (0)
Alpha 60 (4): Merryweather, Bo Peep, Captain Li Shang, Duff Beer
Saki Morimi (0)
Merryweather (0)
Mr.Krabs (2): Megaman.EXE, Duffman
Barney (0)
Duffman (0)
Gilgamesh (1): Saki Morimi
Megaman.EXE (0):
Bardiche (0)

Not Voting:5 other people

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

49 hours left in the day. Link to Countdown for D1 Deadline (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&month=10&day=25&year=2011&hour=22&min=&sec=&p0=745)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 24, 2011, 02:18:07 AM
##Unvote
##Vote: Captain Li Shang


Duffman gets bad gas when he reads your post. Duffman senses weakness! What kind of a man are you? Duffman hates bandwagon hops for bad reasons! Duffman says don't sound like a faker, sound like a winner! With Duff Beer! This guys needs more votes. OH YEAH.

Alpha 60 is an A-OKAY robot. Duffman offers him some Duff Beer lubrication to get his gears pumped!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 24, 2011, 02:30:11 AM
If I were not clear enough, Alpha 60 is scummy for acting as if the results to its questioning was valuable for town, then proceeding to stand idle after receiving answers to its "data form" and not using the new information it claimed to need. It's trying to sound like an pro-active ally without acting like one.

Why is this a Bad reason to vote him?
Why do I get the impression that you are voting me only for the way I worded my post?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Faiz on October 24, 2011, 02:41:20 AM
##Unvote: Alpha 60
##Vote: Duff Man

Why do you only address Li Sheng about the votes on Alpha 60? Why don't you even mention any of the other people on Alpha 60's wagon?

@Mod: Are you purposely ignoring my ##Eat: Gold?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 24, 2011, 02:42:20 AM
No, I'm voting you because I think voting for Alpha 60 is dumb. Your reasoning for voting him also seems foolish. Punishing someone for not delivering a game analysis in answer to questions half the players haven't even answered? It undermines his involvement and strikes to me as people lashing out at someone being loud early.

Duffman doesn't remember that being in the registered ingredients for Duff Beer! Duff Beer what are you putting into your pumped up body! Tell Duffman what you think of the people besides Duffman's robot friend!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 24, 2011, 02:43:21 AM
Duffman is so amazing he was answering Duff Beer before he asked! That's the power of THE DUFF LINK!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Faiz on October 24, 2011, 02:45:16 AM
SOCIALDUFF LINK GO!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kabuto on October 24, 2011, 02:53:00 AM
Everyone needs a bit of flavor in their dismal lives.  They would not have said anything otherwise, and I'm sure deep down in their hearts no one would think of answering the data form as 'doing something', as Merryweather suggests, since all of the answers so far have been based off colourful flavour, and are all in good fun.  Exaggerating this as 'useless noise' is simply getting too far ahead of yourself, and is thus useless noise in itself; subtracting the answers away from the posts that have them would give a normal RVS anyways.

Despite all of the above, I shall attribute Merryweather's ejaculation to human weakness (since it's still somewhat reasonable on the surface), but Duff Beer's hop onto the bandwagon strikes me as the most lousy.  It pretty much seems as if he's jumping at Alpha for being weird (not scummy), and merely building numbers. Chainsaw of Li Sheng also casts doubt onto his voting priorities (why is Duffman's ignorance of two other people on the wagon worse than Alpha60 being weird?), so my vote stands as firmly as I do.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 24, 2011, 02:56:05 AM
Forgive me for seeing things differently than you do, but I think he earned those serious votes. His #32 looked like he was trying to appear to be pushing me and Merryweather into contributing when he himself was not adding anything of value, and I see no reason to hold him to a lower standard than the rest of us. Questions like "Is Capt. Li furthering town's agenda?" seem to be a good way of making people talk and lynch townies for him so that he himself does not have to get involved.

Duff Beer should explain why it thinks that Duffman is worse than Alpha 60. Duffman's tactics appear to be that of a misled townie rather than scum.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 24, 2011, 03:07:35 AM
Good graciousness. What's all this?

Let's touch on that shall we.

First I would like to give a big round of applause to Kanji for answering Alpha's pressure for him.  I was hoping to hear his original reasoning but I do thank you for giving him the town motivated answer.  Why did you do this?

That said, his other reasoning is sound and while I accept Li's hop to the wagon for reasoning equal to mine BeerDuff's hop was less than optimal.  His blatant hop with a hint of trapping (the mod ignored his action completely, yet he's acting as if it does something and I'm thinking the only reason for this is to bash the poor sucker to ask what it does) is enough to place Beer over Alpha.

##Unvote:
##Vote:Duff Beer




Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Faiz on October 24, 2011, 03:18:04 AM
Because I wanted to see Duff Man's response, and that tends to work better with a vote.
##Unvote
Duff Beer is naught but an alcoholic beverage, and has no idea what to think, as it can only really impede thoughts. And having said that, everyone looks townie right now, so I think I'll just ##Eat: Air Force Blue ##Eat: Alice Blue.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 24, 2011, 03:26:09 AM
Duffman is uncomfortable thinking about ejecting his beer from the world. Duffman is very attached to Beer. Duffman does wonder why his beer expected him to find something wrong with him. Duffman likes Merryweather and Bo Peep. (are they single?  :derp: ) Effectively you're voting me for not immediately being suspicious of you. Should I be suspicious of you? Duffman hates being cut by unvotes.

Kanji explained why Duffman dislikes your reason for voting Alpha 60. Duffman thinks the only thing Alpha 60 deserves is a good workout! The people not getting involved are the ones who haven't posted, or barely said hello. Duffman likes almost everyone posting right now. Duffman isn't attached to his vote.. yet.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 24, 2011, 03:30:19 AM
Am I allowed to punch people yet?
I already told you we aren't able to do that, being good fairies and all.

So, knowing that Alpha got beaten for unvoting first of all and that you held suspicion of him yet there wasn't a place where you dropped it, what on earth drove you to make that unvote post just now?

And why only address one point against you?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Sasword on October 24, 2011, 05:01:53 AM
Capt. Li looks the most suspicious at this point, or at least a little paranoid for reading a lot and expecting a lot from Alpha's time-waste quiz this early in Day 1 and trying to push him to vote.  Merryweather however, even if they have the same case, looks better because of the initiative to pressure, and follow-up on people who continued RVS.  My analysis of Alpha is similar to that Kanji: fluff that extends RVS; but to what purpose, if any only Alpha knows, and if going along with answering has any meaning because everything else was RVS, so there was little else to comment on.  Both Duffs are looking okay so far.

Duffman, why does Bo Peep, look town, aside from contributing to RVS and nothing more as of yet?  Or was that the point?

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 05:13:08 AM
I don't exactly like Alpha's questionairre. I agree that it would be much better if he were to do something with it. But not much else to say, except he should probably put a vote down. Looking town for now.

Duffman I don't exactly like, but I can see him as more town than scum. I didn't like his chainsaw defense, which needs more proof and reasoning. What about Capt. Li's vote is foolish to you?

Duff Beer I don't like at all.  Bandwagon hopping with one-liner reasons is a very scummy thing to do, because you're not actively searching for other reasons to vote someone, and townies have no reason to not search. Give backing or my vote will stay longer (this implies that my vote is staying where it is for now, which it is). What is "Eat:Gold/Air Force Blue/Alice Blue"? What does it do? Is it real? Surely not everyone looks townie, look harder and maybe you will find something.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 24, 2011, 05:16:12 AM
Alpha 60 has received an emotion chip developed by one of Alpha 60's highest clearance programers.  It is experimental, but Alpha 60 has reasoned that Alpha 60 may better understand humans using what would otherwise be contraband.

Installing....

My goodness!  Humans can 'feel'.  I have learned to use the word "I".  This might just change my posting style!  Oh my the concept of self!  It's brilliant!

The alternative is not filling out the form. Capt. Li didn't though this doesn't mean he himself is furthering town agenda to end RVS.

I am worried about this form because you have asked people to fill out questions and then have proceeded to not do a thing with them. Thus you are encouraging useless noise from people which allows them to waltz in, answer the quiz, effectively not say anything at all and leave.

Until you show us what you're using your data forms for, I won't be filling one out.

Answering the data form helps me fulfill conditions.  I've had positive results so far, and I would still like the rest of town to answer if they could.  I do not see why town can't answer my simple questions in addition to any content have may have for their post.  I will say that it was not my first intention to generate discussion based on my presentation of the data form, but that's what is happening now. 

"Proceed to not do a thing with them" is a grave exaggeration.  What exactly were you expecting?  The second part of your point is holding something against me that I have no control over, that is, blaming me for people who "waltz in, answer the quiz, effectively not say anything at all and leave".   I would think people foolish enough to do this at this point in the game would face heavy speculation on their alignments by the rest of the town. 

The last line of your post bugs me the most and smells of scumitude.   It's a more or less a rolefish that I'm made to answer if I am to "defend" my questionnaire.

##Vote: Merryweather


That said, his other reasoning is sound and while I accept Li's hop to the wagon for reasoning equal to mine BeerDuff's hop was less than optimal.  His blatant hop with a hint of trapping (the mod ignored his action completely, yet he's acting as if it does something and I'm thinking the only reason for this is to bash the poor sucker to ask what it does) is enough to place Beer over Alpha.

The logical thing to do here would be to settle the discrepancy.  Why didn't you?  BeerDuff, is your ##Eat: Gold action meaningful?  Answer yes or no. 

Am I allowed to punch people yet?
I already told you we aren't able to do that, being good fairies and all.

So, knowing that Alpha got beaten for unvoting first of all and that you held suspicion of him yet there wasn't a place where you dropped it, what on earth drove you to make that unvote post just now?

And why only address one point against you?

Honestly I can understand the frustration, but these seem like loaded questions.  I have a problem with Li that he thinks my unvote "spoke louder than words," but that isn't the reason why DuffBeer voted me.

I think you are unduly punishing in your posts in a scummy way.

As others that have posted, I express annoyance at DuffBeer for throwing his vote around but he doesn't strike me as scum because of this line.
Duff Beer is naught but an alcoholic beverage, and has no idea what to think, as it can only really impede thoughts. And having said that, everyone looks townie right now,
 

It's because it's true.   Other than DuffBeer, everyone DOES look townie, even Merryweather.   Active participation and logically thought out posts look townie.

DuffBeer, at the time of your vote for me, could you tell me your thought process?  Otherwise your original vote of me and your unvote now looks like a disconnect without explanation.

I don't find anything wrong with Li's thinking other than the fact he takes issue with my unvote.  RVS was over, I unvoted and started asking questions.   It's not like unvoting is a passive thing,

I find nothing wrong with Duffman or Kanji.  I happen to like Megaman and Kanji x 2. 

 cut by two new posts.  I don't mind them either. 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 05:20:42 AM
@Alpha 60:What conditions are you trying to fulfil? Please explain and I might consider answering the questionairre.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 24, 2011, 05:33:21 AM
Thinking this over, I suppose it's not too big a deal to reveal this.   I only wish I could have been flashier and have more surprise value.

Earth, Fire, Water, Wind, Heart.  I summon thee!

TAKE ME AWAY CAPTAIN PLANET!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 24, 2011, 05:35:26 AM
No I won't be spirited away.  I'd like those words though. 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 24, 2011, 05:37:15 AM
I have a few so far, town can go bananas if they want.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 24, 2011, 05:43:54 AM
Quote
"Proceed to not do a thing with them" is a grave exaggeration.  What exactly were you expecting
So look, no that was not a grave exaggeration.
You asked a question.
You got responses.
I personally was expecting you to put the responses you had attained together into something, anything (case, jokevote) but you proceed to ignore them completely and just go after Li and I in your 32 which was where the problem was coming from.

Then there's this number:
Quote
The last line of your post bugs me the most and smells of scumitude.   It's a more or less a rolefish that I'm made to answer if I am to "defend" my questionnaire.
Known as misrep. I wanted to know if it was all flavor and fun like Kanji assumed or if it was role related which if you had said that after I asked you earlier we wouldn't be dragging this out.
You could have said, "It's not just fluff and flavor, and pertains to something does this change your mind about doing it? etc."
Kinda like how you just explained!  Was this that hard to do earlier?

You didn't.

And your reasons for doing so are self centered and scummy.
-You didn't want to generate discussion with it
-You have the audacity to call me out and vote me for rolefishing when you turn around and rolefish DuffBeer.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Alpha 60


Mr K
Where did Duffman chainsaw?


Orrr he could claim 3rd party and you all know how to treat those right?
(You lynch them before they screw us over, kinda like how this genius has all day)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 24, 2011, 05:45:22 AM
*brofists Alpha 60*
Duffilatious! Duffman reads your forms dude. Your vote just isn't tubular. Marrymeweather is going to be Duffman's new waifu. Here's a DUFF BEER for each of you. Let's totally block up dudes.
Duffman snorted his beer up his nose. It was AWESOME! What are you missing?

Krabs gets a not righteous thumbs down from Duffman for repeating what everyone else said. You want proof that Alpha dude is townie? He just is bro. Followed by blatant pressure to roleclaim. That's also not cool.

Mandarin Orange made a post that Duffman can't read because it hurts to parse man! What are you trying to say there? Why are you just telling us who in an argument looks better instead of who is town dude?

Man it is so hard to choose between these two. Duffman thinks Krabs sounds worse but DUFFMAN LISTENS TO HIS GUT!

##Unvote
##Vote: Mandarin Orange
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 05:48:09 AM
@Merryweather: Duffman's chainsaw defense was his vote on Capt. Li. Unless I'm reading it wrong and it isn't actually a chainsaw defense.
And who was this reffering to?
Orrr he could claim 3rd party and you all know how to treat those right?


Cut by Duffman buddying up with Alpha 60. It's early D1 there isn't much to go by yet, and I'm trying to find stuff.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 24, 2011, 05:51:55 AM
That was Merryweather's knee-jerk reaction to the events that have just transpired. She'll be back and properly responding to the rest of Alpha's errm posts in the morning.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 05:54:57 AM
Oh, I also forgot to address this.
You want proof that Alpha dude is townie? He just is bro. Followed by blatant pressure to roleclaim. That's also not cool.
That is obviously not proof of townieness. Otherwise I'm townie for being bro with "Insertrandomplayerhere". Provide proof -> Profit. That wasn't pressure for a roleclaim at all. He said he had conditions to fulfil, so I asked what they were. I would've accepted any answer really. Even if he had said he would rather not tell (though I probably would've questioned him a bit more if he did that, but that's just me).  Although I didn't really find that to be a good enough answer for me to answer the questionairre.

Cut by Merryweather.
@Merryweather:And who was this reffering to?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 24, 2011, 06:01:28 AM
Seriously stop fighting. It hurts when Duffman's town reads are homicidal towards each other. Alpha didn't have to tell us what he was looking for. Those words come up often enough. Duffman trusts his bro. Duffman is too drunk to impulsively say everything before it's discussed.

See those quiet dudes trying not to get caught up in the argument? That's who Duffman wants to smash.

Krablol: She's talking about Alpha. Last time someone had that power they had a third party win. You could be a bro for having a bro! You don't so you're not, that's cool. Duffman is a major judge of bromistitude. Duffman is saying read the posts and see if you really think Alpha is sitting back and waiting for people to die around him. Duffman doesn't see that.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 06:06:31 AM
@Duffman: I see. I still would like Merryweather to clarify that.
I don't think Alpha is that scummy. I never expressed serioud suspicion on him at all. Just because you didn't provide proof for him being town doesn't mean I don't think he's town. I would've accepted that as a reason for his townieness and I have no idea why you didn't even post it originally.
Also I so totally have a bro. Like you're one to judge.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Sasword on October 24, 2011, 06:25:07 AM
Know what makes a good hangover remedy?  Orange juice.  Duffman why can't we be bros? Or is everyone your bro?

Even though Li, Merry, and Beer had votes/cases on Alpha, Li looked the worst: paranoia, pushing others to vote, then Beer for not having any original reasoning, finally Merry being the best for actively questioning and pursuing, reasoning I can understand, but not necessarily agree with.  Thinking Merry vs. Alpha is just two townies knee-jerking to each other at this point. Merry is still looking alright, Duffman and Krab are looking okay.  Beer, Kanji, and Alpha not sure about.  Li not looking too hot.  Others don't at this point.  And Orange is the best.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Den-O on October 24, 2011, 07:03:33 AM
##Vote: Mandarin Orange

Why do you not put your vote where your mouth is? What are you trying to accomplish by comparing who looks better? If you think Capt. Li is not town, then why are you not voting them?

Krabs, asking people why they think someone is town is not productive for town.

I will not answer the questionaire unless there is a protown effect in doing so.

I will post more tomorrow after some sleep.

Standby Mode
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 07:13:57 AM
Krabs, asking people why they think someone is town is not productive for town.
I asked because Duffman was so sure that Alpha was town. It even lead to him doing a chainsaw defense on Capt. Li. Surely if someone is that certain of someone being town (especially this early in the game) then it would be highly questionable.

Oh and Duffman, you still have yet to answer this question.
What about Capt. Li's vote is foolish to you?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 24, 2011, 07:22:01 AM
Alpha's #32 gave me impression that the questionnaires were his attempt at looking like he was creating serious discussion without him actually following up on it (hence his empty unvote, and also hence his empty unvote looking suspicious to me), but #53 says I misinterpreted his claims, so I will back off. I do still believe my vote was reasonable at the time given what I thought Alpha was doing, though, and I do not see what the orange seems to take issue with. To be clear, generating noise was not one of my reasons for voting Alpha.

---

Give backing or my vote will stay longer (this implies that my vote is staying where it is for now, which it is).
##Unvote
##Vote Mr. Krabs, because he is using Duff Beer as a votepark. He openly implied he would switch off of the beer if the beer added to its case. This sort of spinelessness is not how town pressures players who they think are scum, for scum is quite capable of imitating a wise ally if it will ward off votes.

Duffman, why is the orange worse than Mr. Krabs? From your #59, I am sadly not able to tell why you find the orange suspicious aside from a failure to understand its post.

Alpha looks fine to me now that his #32 was clarified; not sure why Merryweather is still attacking him. Likewise, Merryweather looks believably townie in her actions, so I agree with the orange that their debate is most likely founded in kneejerk reactions.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 07:29:18 AM
@Capt. Li: Duff Beer can add to his case all he wants, but I will only switch off if he can get a solid stance with some solid reasons. Also voting someone is still pressuring them, because a vote puts them closer to lynch. And if he tries to imitate other people, than that means he is scum going by your words.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 07:31:00 AM
EBWOP: The sentence sounds better when worded like this:
"And if he does try to imitate people to get my vote off him, then that means he is scum by your words."
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 24, 2011, 07:53:09 AM
Sleep is for the Duffless people.

Duffman already answered that question from Mr. Krabs. Duffman doesn't repeat himself. Duffman is too busy BARGING INTO THE FUTURE WITH DUFF BEER BUY NOW etc. Li is saying it doesn't look like you're pressuring the person you're voting for. What about his recent activity makes you want him dead again?

Li, it's the way the entire paragraph is parsed to sound like the Orange is seriously considering who of the two looks worse, except from the perspective of someone who knows neither of them is bad to begin with. It's which of these two random townies look worse, not which of these two scummy people look scummier. His second post is the same way, comparing the three people solely by their case on Alpha and ignoring anything else about them. Grading cases is great and all but who is the scum?

It's the same reason I dislike the way you're defending your vote, it sounds like you're far too interested in making sure we know your vote was justified at the time and it's totally okay that you're not voting him now. Town shouldn't care how good they look.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 08:01:30 AM
@Duffman: You chainsaw defended Alpha by atacking Li with one reason being his reason was bad. Li responded by asking why it was bad. You responded by saying it was foolish.
I'm asking why you thought it was foolish.
And what did you mean by saying "What about his recent activity makes you want him dead again?" (Italics put in by me). Because if you're talking about Duff Beer, this is the first time I've wanted him dead (starting from my second non-confirmation post). The first time I voted him was a jokevote, now it's serious. And if you're reffering to anyone else, I haven't expressed serious indication of wanting anyone else dead.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 24, 2011, 08:05:08 AM
PS the following people need to die slowly POST: Gilgamesh, Saki Morimi, Barney. Megaman.EXE and Bardiche are barely above quota for content. You signed up, play the damn game.

STOP CUTTING DUFFMAN.
Duffman said more then that in the first place. Alpha is quite townie. That's why it's foolish. Duffman thinks he will get headcrabsmps if he argues with you. Just follow Duffman to townie victory.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 08:10:14 AM
Duffman said more then that in the first place. Alpha is quite townie. That's why it's foolish. Just follow Duffman to townie victory.
That was just a summary of the important parts of the posts in question.
I see. But just because someone looks quite townie doesn't mean they actually are townie.
You even just suggesting that people should follow you is scummy in and of itself.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 24, 2011, 08:11:34 AM
@Capt. Li: Duff Beer can add to his case all he wants, but I will only switch off if he can get a solid stance with some solid reasons. Also voting someone is still pressuring them, because a vote puts them closer to lynch. And if he tries to imitate other people, than that means he is scum going by your words.
If that truly is what you believe, then you underestimate the enemy. The flaw with your position is that scum has no difficulty sounding logical and creating their own cases, especially with their fellow men backing them up from their camp. Your vote is pathetic in the field of battle because you would withdraw it as soon as your target proves they can stand for themself, and this shows a lack of desire for victory. Tell me, if Duff Beer were to enter the thread right now and post substantial content, who would your vote be on given that you would have no place to park it? Would you just disarm yourself entirely?

It's the same reason I dislike the way you're defending your vote, it sounds like you're far too interested in making sure we know your vote was justified at the time and it's totally okay that you're not voting him now. Town shouldn't care how good they look.
The orange was attacking my vote, so I elaborated on said vote in the last three sentences of my first paragraph to respond to it. How is this caring too much about how I look? Townies don't want their fellow soldiers to attack them because it is time spent not focusing on the enemy. There is nothing wrong with maintaining a defense of myself if need be.

I do have a better understanding of your orange case now, but am not interpreting his post the same way you are. There is little more to say than that.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 08:38:01 AM
The flaw with your position is that scum has no difficulty sounding logical and creating their own cases, especially with their fellow men backing them up from their camp.
Tell me, if Duff Beer were to enter the thread right now and post substantial content, who would your vote be on given that you would have no place to park it? Would you just disarm yourself entirely?
This makes sense if Duff Beer was town, and now that I think about it, because of what you said, he is more likely town. Because based on that sentence, he either has really bad scumbuddies, or is town. If he can sound logical and can create his own cases then why isn't he doing so? If he's a bad scum player who can't creat good cases then that could mean his buddies aren't helping him at all, or they aren't online while he is. I find this first one unlikely due to stupidity, and I find the second one unlikely due to the fact I can't see it happening at all. So the real flaw is your counterpoint to me, because if scum can make well fleshed out cases filled with good logic, then why hasn't he done so? I would still like Duff Beer to make a better case anyway.
And really this second part could be answered right now.
##Unvote
Hmmm... I don't like Duffman even more now, but I still think he's townie, because me not liking him is more to do with frustration.
I don't like Orange either, he has said little, and hasn't even elaborated much on his views. Why is "so-and-so" looking good? Why is "so-and-so" looking bad? Please answer these questions Orange.
I don't exactly like Bardiche either, he hasn't even made much posts yet, and with the posts he has done, he has said little of use. He has barely mentioned anything about the majority of players, and has said little about the players he did mention.
##Vote:Bardiche
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 08:39:47 AM
Hmmm... I don't like Duffman even more now, but I still think he's townie, because me not liking him is more to do with frustration.
I don't like Orange either, he has said little, and hasn't even elaborated much on his views. Why is "so-and-so" looking good? Why is "so-and-so" looking bad? Please answer these questions Orange.
I don't exactly like Bardiche either, he hasn't even made much posts yet, and with the posts he has done, he has said little of use. He has barely mentioned anything about the majority of players, and has said little about the players he did mention.
##Vote:Bardiche
I might just point out that this is prety much in order of who I think is scummiest.
Gut
Leaning scum.
Leaning scum even more.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kabuto on October 24, 2011, 10:03:56 AM
@Merryweather: I personally thought that your line of questioning was as unproductive and could only lead to answers indicative of role and not of alignment, which is merely a distraction at this stage of the game.  Also, some questions you asked were not valid in the first place (e.g Why are you encouraging people to not contribute?) and did not seem to me as useful pressure.

In other news, Alpha is being confusing for discounting Li and Duff Beer and voting Merryweather, when the reasons Li and Merry had at that point in time were pretty similar.  I'm also interested in why Alpha is accusing Merry of rolefishing when much of the playerbase has already voiced out that they wanted to know what the data form was used for, making it seem rather like selective scumhunting.  Combine this with him discarding the Duff Beer case on a whimsy (e.g someone saying that everyone looks townie is normally quite scummy), and I can't get a hold on his thought processes and cases.

Captain Li is also quite curious for specially going after Mr.Krabs for 'vote-parking' when he had already given a quite valid reason and a bit of token questioning (in comparison with everyone else) for voting Duff Beer.  How is announcing your intention to consider backing off if your suspect makes more reasonable statements scummy, exactly, if both townies and scum are capable of doing just that?  It's very metaphysical, like the sake before me.  Also, attacking him for not having an alternative at that point of time is strange since many others (such as me) did not have one either.  It all seems curiously selective.

Duff Beer is still the scummiest for not having any suspicion to his name at all, but the possible scum agenda of others seem to be taking shape now.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Decade on October 24, 2011, 11:30:09 AM
Oh wonderful, I already have my first strong town read of the game.
Alpha is not it.
Could you give a shorten version of why you are against Merryweather? You accuse her of rolefishing, but from an outside perspective, none of us would have realized it would be. Not unless we had reason to suspect it was related to your role. You might have been able to pass it off as part of the RVS thing.
I didn't believe the questionaire would be harmful to town, and I still have certain doubts even considering possible roles, but the genuine reactions Merry gave makes me believe she is the last person your vote should be on.

Mr. Duffman's posts caused me to reread Mandarin in a certain way, and I think he's right. Mandarin should at the very least put a vote down.

I'm afraid I don't appreciate the way Captain Li has pressured kindly, young Mr. Krabs in moving his vote away from Duff Beer. Tell me, are your opinions of Duff Beer indicated by your actions, or did you only think to pick on Mr. Krabs' reasoning? Besides, if vote parking is the crime of the day, I would think Bardiche would be a much more present concern, seeing as all they left was a one liner about the person voted and a promise to return later.

##Unvote: Alpha 60
##Vote: Captain Li Shang
as my most pressing lead for the moment.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Skull on October 24, 2011, 12:01:33 PM
I have a few so far, town can go bananas if they want.

Mongrel, are you calling me crazy?
I should have your head for this insolence!

@Duffman: Oh? You believe you can take on the King of Heroes!?
So you now trying leading (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg737798.html#msg737790) a mongrel around?
Makes no difference, One is no different from a Thousand!

@Mr Krabs: Be gone from my sight, abomination!
Your lack of confidence will be the downfall of you.

Tsk, thats all? More pressing matters have arisen.
##Vote Duffman
I shall leave this here.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 12:07:49 PM
@Mr Krabs: Be gone from my sight, abomination!
Your lack of confidence will be the downfall of you.
I'm interperting that as a softclaim for a vig role.
Oh, really? Where did you ever get the idea that I wasn't self confident.
That was all really a bit of a show. I'm actually quite confident I've got something here. Whether it's scum or not it's certainly very interesting.
##Unvote
##Vote:Capt. Li

Read further into my interactions with Capt. Li to see if you can find what I'm referring to.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 24, 2011, 12:13:51 PM
^
What?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 12:15:26 PM
Read further into my interactions with Capt. Li.
Then it will make more sense (assuming you can find what I'm talking about).
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 12:23:05 PM
And I won't reveal what I mean until Capt. Li has his say on this.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 24, 2011, 02:02:22 PM
Wheeeee, everyone is scum again! Well, I like Merryweather, at least, and I don't really get why Alpha picked her to OMGUS on. Merryweather's question about the questionairre would sit better with me if it meant a pro-town cause to answer it, but at the moment I'm happy enough with her that I'm going to ask Alpha 60 for elaboration on why Merryweather rolefishing is bad, but blatantly rolefishing Duff Beer is not bad.

Why do Duff Beer and Alpha 60 insist on softclaiming having a role at this point? It reads as either stupid town or overeager scum. Possibly overeager town and stupid scum. So! I think both Alpha 60 and Duff Beer are worthless for attempting to get people to rolefish them. Posting a questionnaire and then pretending it is actually good to answer is bound to invite questions regarding its purpose.

Alpha 60 looks bad as result: you're inviting the rolefish and then voting the first person to actually inquire as to the purpose of your actions!

Mr Krabs looks terrible. Between voting Bardiche and Capt Li, neither had said anything. Going "lol find the reasons for my vote ^_^" isn't pro-Town in the slightest. It means you're being a gigantic derpterd and making Town run through hoops just to find out why you're voting and what the hell is up with you. People like you deserve to have their feet cemented in before getting thrown off the Eiffel Tower.

And I do not, in fact, like Mr Krabs being coy and ^_^ about voting and creating a big stink, so I'm going to demand you explain your reasons for voting rather than bothering town with your noise. ##Vote: Krabs
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 02:32:36 PM
@Saki: I knew someone would try to attack me for this. But what's the point? If you haven't even taken the time to try and figure out my reason for voting then why should I listen to yours? And I'm going to explain my reasons anyway, you'll just have to wait for Capt. Li first.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 02:35:38 PM
And not even bothering to to do anything like that at all is a scummy thing to do. Scum like you deserve to have your feet cemented in before getting thrown of the Empire State Building.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 24, 2011, 02:46:05 PM
No you crustatious cheapskate, I want to know why we have to wait on Li for your case. Does your case on him not exist?

And yes there is a difference between making a case and telling someone to reread it and not making one at all and saying "Guess why this is scummy"

And whoever was asking why I flipped out over Go Planet is because yes 3rd party won like that last time and I'd rather that not happen again because he then has no reason to play to lynch scum and can just troll.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 24, 2011, 02:49:57 PM
Read over your posts, can't find anything that explains why Capt Li is magically worse than Bardiche without intervention from either. Don't even try to test my patience, because you won't like it when I lose it! And I can say I've got it up to here with you people doing scummy shit and going mea culpa. If you know you'll get voted for it, why the hell do it at all? Your post before it had no indication you thought Capt Li was scummy and now you magically do. Do forgive me if I want you to explain rather than now use an excuse to sit back and not produce a case until Capt Li has posted.


Merryweather, it was a TOWNIE who won like that!


I just realise Gilgamesh's vote reasons are also shit and similarly would like to demand he explains his reasons. No, Gilgamesh, you are the mongrels.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 02:52:31 PM
I want Li's input on why he thinks I'm suspecting him. If Li wasn't involved in this, I would've already told you guys.

And I have made the case, I just want other people to see it too. Try and understand my logic.

I'll give you all a hint:
"Look at the wording"

If it gets late enough I'll probably say it. Otheriwse you would have to wait an extra 16-14 hours (give or take). I wouldn't let you wait that long would I? I'm too nice for that.

Cut by Saki
If you know you'll get voted for it, why the hell do it at all?
Funny thing is, people say townies don't care how they look to other people. You should probably listen to that advice, it could help you in the long run.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 02:53:39 PM
And here's another hint to make it easier:
"Look at the reasons and defenses"
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 24, 2011, 03:00:58 PM
@Merryweather: I personally thought that your line of questioning was as unproductive and could only lead to answers indicative of role and not of alignment, which is merely a distraction at this stage of the game.  Also, some questions you asked were not valid in the first place (e.g Why are you encouraging people to not contribute?) and did not seem to me as useful pressure.
Fair enough. I had figured that the votes accumulated regardless of how the votes looked may have led into his mind with town or scum intent.  But he gave a scummy response anyway.
Quote
In other news, Alpha is being confusing for discounting Li and Duff Beer and voting Merryweather, when the reasons Li and Merry had at that point in time were pretty similar.  I'm also interested in why Alpha is accusing Merry of rolefishing when much of the playerbase has already voiced out that they wanted to know what the data form was used for, making it seem rather like selective scumhunting.  Combine this with him discarding the Duff Beer case on a whimsy (e.g someone saying that everyone looks townie is normally quite scummy), and I can't get a hold on his thought processes and cases.
Does him being confusing and not following your assumed townie logic make him scummy?

And to the mofo
HEY
above me. Link them then. And place them in this thing we call a case.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 24, 2011, 03:04:56 PM
So your response to that is ~WIFOM~, your vote on Li reads as OMGUS right now and you think it's totes cool to votepark on people and going mea culpa over doing scummy shit. There's nothing in your posts with Captain Li that indicate the slightest suspicion that he is scum, emphasised by your bucket list of Duffman, Mandarin Orange and Bardiche not containing Captain Li as a possible suspect. You're flinging shit around to see what'll stick more like. Rather than lay traps you could be scumhunting, which you aren't doing at all.

No, Town should not be constructing your case for you.

Good enough for D1 as far as I care.

Protip: Townies don't care because they assume everything they do is Townie. You already acknowledged your actions aren't necessarily Townie when you said you expected to be voted for it.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 24, 2011, 03:09:54 PM
Why didn't you tell me this?!
Well I didn't know.

He was a townie?  Mother fuck almighty have I been under the wrong assumption.  I'll drop that point against him for now then let me gather my bearings.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 03:17:01 PM
I give up. I thought some of you would've worked it out by now. I'll just highlight the most important parts.
scum is quite capable of imitating a wise ally if it will ward off votes.
And if he does try to imitate other people to get my vote off him, then that means he is scum going by your words. (bolded for even more emphasis)
The flaw with your position is that scum has no difficulty sounding logical and creating their own cases, especially with their fellow men backing them up from their camp.
If he can sound logical and can create his own cases then why isn't he doing so?
Notice anything yet?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Ryuki on October 24, 2011, 03:28:34 PM
Oh, looks like we're going places. What a great occasion for a song!

... Nah.

The initial replies to Alpha 60's noise questionaire were to be expected and are not scummy. Duff Beer's reply here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg737567.html#msg737567) is scummy, because he basically echoes exactly what Merryweather said while turning the Alpha 60 voting spree into a wagon. There was reason for pressuring Alpha 60, but not for turning it into something big, and Duff Beer does this without adding anything new to validate his vote.

I don't like Alpha 60. His questionaire was blatantly going to generate noise and extend RVS. This eventually led to what seemed to be good discussion, but then he finds it a good time to "reveal his reasons", essentially ending said discussion. This story of his may or may not be fake, but in this case, it doesn't matter, since his execution and reveal basically scrapped precious D1 hours. And I don't care if you wanted to be "flashy", this shouldn't come before townie behavior to begin with.

Mr. Krab's vote pattern is annoying. I accept his Duff Beer vote, but when Li accuses him of parking, he suddenly changes his mind, forgets any other suspicions he might have wrote about in his 30 or something posts (gosh!), and makes a bad vote on Bardiche. He's had better suspicions, and yet he votes for the guy with not enough posts telling him to post after he's gone for at least half a day. That's not the end of it too - in fact, do I really need to explain how terrible his transition to Li was? No, people have alerady done this. Stop giving us 'hints', give us your reasoning instead. Also, unless you change your avatar / JOB improves it, I'll be calling you Mr. Krubs. Nitpicky, but I don't care :c

What the hell was Gilgamesh doing?

People whose logic is sound: Merryweather, Duffman. I still need to gather my thoughts on most of the others. Back to reading everything all over again~.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 03:33:20 PM
Mr. Krab's vote pattern is annoying. I accept his Duff Beer vote, but when Li accuses him of parking, he suddenly changes his mind, forgets any other suspicions he might have wrote about in his 30 or something posts (gosh!), and makes a bad vote on Bardiche. He's had better suspicions, and yet he votes for the guy with not enough posts telling him to post after he's gone for at least half a day. That's not the end of it too - in fact, do I really need to explain how terrible his transition to Li was? No, people have alerady done this. Stop giving us 'hints', give us your reasoning instead. Also, unless you change your avatar / JOB improves it, I'll be calling you Mr. Krubs. Nitpicky, but I don't care :c
I call it playing along. He wanted me to say who I would have voted for next, so I voted who I would have voted for next.

The keywords in my Li case are "Logic and Contradictions".
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 24, 2011, 03:47:37 PM
Still not seeing it. Connect the triangle for us.

Here I'll start you off:
Li is scummy because he did ----- this is scummy because ----
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Ryuki on October 24, 2011, 03:49:48 PM
Your next-in-line was Bardiche? You've never mentioned Bardiche in any of your posts before the one you voted for him in, you've mentioned suspicions on other players, and even when putting these facts aside, your post doesn't do your Bardiche vote much justice. To me it looks like an easy vote pick, something that is done without much thought put into it. This strengthens my opinion that you weren't "playing along", but were legitimately scared of Li's votepark accusation.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 24, 2011, 03:52:48 PM
Barney, nice opinions. Care to add a vote to them? You haven't even jokevoted, now's a swell time to put one down.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 03:57:59 PM
Li is scummy because he contradicted his own logic this is scummy because he is attacking me for bad logic, yet when I follow his logic, he makes counterpoints against them (not the fact that I was using his logic, but the actual logic itself).
In other words he is just a silly scum who is attacking himself.

Cut by Barney
Your next-in-line was Bardiche? You've never mentioned Bardiche in any of your posts before the one you voted for him in, you've mentioned suspicions on other players, and even when putting these facts aside, your post doesn't do your Bardiche vote much justice. To me it looks like an easy vote pick, something that is done without much thought put into it. This strengthens my opinion that you weren't "playing along", but were legitimately scared of Li's votepark accusation.
If I was scared of his votepark accusation I would have voted someone else the first time he mentioned it.
And of course I wouldn't put much thought into it, I was playing along after all, so I had to choose a target that is at least somewhat convincing and that I didn't have to put much thought into to give a reason for voting (I still don't exactly like Bardiche but I don't suspect him nearly as much as I suspect Li).

Cut again this time by Saki
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Ryuki on October 24, 2011, 04:02:31 PM
I didn't want to vote before I was done having an identifiable read on the majority of players, which I currently am not. Pressuring me to vote at this stage will most likely produce an ill-thought vote.

Krubs cut: I personally don't see this as  "at least somewhat convincing". Although, pursuing this further likely won't result in a different answer.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 04:06:18 PM
@Barney: What would have been at least somewhat convincing to you?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 24, 2011, 04:10:51 PM
Playing along is the worst reason I've ever heard for this type of situation.

OK, the way I read the interaction:
Li votes you for spinelessness/having a weak vote.
You retort that it's not weak because Duff Beer needs to give a SOLID contribution rather than just any contribution.
Li argues that scum can make solid contributions just as easily as Town, and that moving off if solid contributions are presented is weak because it's something scum can do as well.

What part of this has Li undermining his own logic?

@Barney: You've gone nearly 30 hours without placing any vote down. I hope for your sake that the vote you WILL put down is going to be articulated and pronounced. Cheerleading the Krubs case at this point is not doing you favours.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Ryuki on October 24, 2011, 04:12:19 PM
It's not the accusation, but the fact that it was your best scumpick minus Duff Beer (or Li?) that wasn't "at least somewhat convincing". Can you explain why you felt Bardiche was your presumed next-in-line at the time? Or, to put it better, can you explain your thought process for this:
I might just point out that this is prety much in order of who I think is scummiest.
Gut
Leaning scum.
Leaning scum even more.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 04:17:49 PM
@Saki: That was basically a summary of the original posts minus the parts I pointed out. Try reading the ones I highlighted and maybe you can get somewhere with this.

@Barney: It was an on the spot reaction. I picked people who I could make a quick case against so I could keep playing along. Except Duffman who I have had a bad gut read on all game. It doesn't mean that I don't find Mandarin Orange and Bardiche scummy at all (because I still think they could be scum), it just means that they were an easy target.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 24, 2011, 04:46:28 PM
I'm tired and I'm going to sleep.
It's almost 4AM.
I'll be back on tomorrow.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 24, 2011, 04:54:30 PM
Except your quotations make no sense aside from seeming to misrep Captain Li.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Serela on October 24, 2011, 06:17:53 PM
>V-V-V-Votecount! About time for this again.

Bo Peep (0)
Mandarin Orange (2): Duffman, Bardiche
Captain Li Shang (2): Bo Peep, Mr.Krabs
Duff Beer (1): Kanji Watanabe
Kanji Watanabe (0)
Alpha 60 (1): Merryweather
Saki Morimi (0)
Merryweather (1): Alpha60
Mr.Krabs (2): Megaman.EXE, Captain Li Shang
Barney (0)
Duffman (1): Gilgamesh
Gilgamesh (1): Saki Morimi
Megaman.EXE (0):
Bardiche (0):

Not Voting: Barney, Duff Beer, Mandarin Orange

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

32~ hours left in the day. Link to Countdown for D1 Deadline (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&month=10&day=25&year=2011&hour=22&min=&sec=&p0=745)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 24, 2011, 06:52:37 PM
Watanabe, I believe that Mr. Krabs' intentions to back off so easily were scummy because it showed that he had no true desire in getting the player he seemed to think was scum lynched. Not having alternative suspects on its own is not something I take issue with (given that I myself have no preferred lynches aside from the crab), but I think that it reflected poorly on Mr. Krabs given the circumstances. He claimed that he planned to drop his vote if Duff Beer posted something substantial, so at the time of my vote he had only a case he was willing to throw away easily and nothing else. The other people without alternatives were at least commited to their vote.

As is, I retain my displeasures with the crab. The first paragraph of his #76 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.60.html) looks like he wants to hold to his case, so his choice to retreat and switch to voting the battleaxe reads as appeasement to me. People were attacking his vote, so even though he wants to stand by it as shown with his post, he switches anyway so people will back off. His switch to me actually looks like a potential call to wagon; he could have voted me much earlier but did not until I had gained a vote from another player. I had not posted in between his two votes, so I can not think of any other explanation. The vote on me itself is worthless and is currently only leading town around by the neck, so I see no reason to organize my squadron to defend against it.

Bo Peep, if you want my opinions on Duff Beer, I am reading his #48 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg737669.html#msg737669) as a sign that he is a lazy soldier regardless of his allegiances and little else. Nothing he has said so far has given me a clear read on him one way or the other. I do not consider Bardiche's vote to be a votepark because it does not look like he intends to throw his suspicions away without a struggle.

I favor Saki so far. I could favor Barney, but his lack of a vote at this stage shows ineptitude even though his content is agreeable. Why post if you haven't finished looking over the thread? Charging an opponent before fully analyzing the situation is careless.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 24, 2011, 07:01:24 PM
I am going to request that Gilgamesh, Bradiche and Megaman come in and weigh in their opinions and votes on the serious discussion that has occurred.  Not willing to accept the former two's bang up openings.

I need a response from Alpha especially after this line which I didn't pick up on earlier. 
Quote
It's because it's true.   Other than DuffBeer, everyone DOES look townie, even Merryweather.   Active participation and logically thought out posts look townie.

First why you voted a town read over your waffled DuffBeer and that since almost everyone has posted now, who is your scum picks since this no longer holds.

Quote from:  Barney
Back to reading everything all over again~.
Barney appearing to gab without a vote looks much worse now that he's disappeared and at the time of his first content post had read the entire thread yet didn't smack a vote down.  How much longer is your vote going to hide?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Serela on October 24, 2011, 07:17:51 PM
Megaman.EXE is being prodded.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Decade on October 24, 2011, 07:35:17 PM
Barney just doesn't want to vote Mr. Krabs because he wants to know he has some town support first.
The latest argument has me convinced Mr. Krabs if working with the Town.
My opinion of the Lovely Ms. Morimi is colored by this discussion, yet still subject to how she handles Mr. Gilgamesh. This is not necessarily a bad thing for her, but I like the feel of adding a little pressure.

Quote from: Mr. Barney
Mr. Krab's vote pattern is annoying. I accept his Duff Beer vote, but when Li accuses him of parking, he suddenly changes his mind, forgets any other suspicions he might have wrote about in his 30 or something posts (gosh!),
Do you feel this is a point worth pushing Mr. Krabs, or Captain Li over more? And whichever you answer, for what reason do you believe so?

Oh dearie me, I do believe people have been posting while I was writing this.

Quote from: Captain Li
As is, I retain my displeasures with the crab. The first paragraph of his #76 looks like he wants to hold to his case, so his choice to retreat and switch to voting the battleaxe reads as appeasement to me. People were attacking his vote, so even though he wants to stand by it as shown with his post, he switches anyway so people will back off. [...] I do not consider Bardiche's vote to be a votepark because it does not look like he intends to throw his suspicions away without a struggle.
But Mr. Krabs did struggle, Honey. He wrestled with himself over your logic for why Duffbeer was not scum, and simply didn't have the self-confidence nor the ignorance needed to win that struggle. It seems to me he changed his opinion more out of awe for your strength, than fear of where you pointed your weapon. I don't see why his willingness to admit he was wrong and backing down to look for alternate avenues is more scummy than something like the proposed intentions of Bardiche's "Never backing down." If one scum backed down every time he realized he was wrong, he'd never be able to vote for anyone.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 24, 2011, 07:55:01 PM
Forgetting to unvote like a boss, apparently.

##Unvote
##Vote: MrKrabs


I don't get Bo Peep here. What about Krabs makes you feel he's Town?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Ryuki on October 24, 2011, 07:56:15 PM
I'd read the thread before posting, obviously, but I was sure I'd get better reads from another run. Now, having read through the thread again, I can say that my opinion... hasn't changed.

I pursued a certain line of questioning earlier, which led to this:
@Barney: It was an on the spot reaction. I picked people who I could make a quick case against so I could keep playing along. Except Duffman who I have had a bad gut read on all game. It doesn't mean that I don't find Mandarin Orange and Bardiche scummy at all (because I still think they could be scum), it just means that they were an easy target.
Let's look at the facts. Krabs votes Duff Beer early, eventually backs up his vote and goes a certain period of time without changing said vote. He gets called out for vote parking by Li Shang, and as a defense, explains that he's waiting for him to defend himself. Li capitalizes on this, explaining how that defense is bad (which it is). Krabs replies in his #76 by.. saying that Duff Beer suddenly seems town, based on Li's logic (the same logic he bases his case on him around). He then completely discards his accusations and votes for Bardiche, which we have learned is an 'easy pick'.

Krabs explains this by claiming he was going for Li all along and that he changed votes to Bardiche only because he was "playing along". I didn't buy this earlier, and I don't buy this now. Let's look at the town perspective: Krabs has a little debate with Li before unvoting, and voting for an easy pick, both done with iffy reasoning. He then waits a few posts and claims that it was all a show, while "revealing" his case on Li which he has still yet to explain clearly. Nothing of worth has happened between these posts. Why would town!Krabs do this? I'm honestly not seeing any other option but his being wary of Li's accusation, which town!Krabs shouldn't have been wary of. Meanwhile, scum!Krabs makes a lot more sense -  being overdefensive resulting in an ill-thought change of votes, which is followed by an attempt to cover for the mistake. Am I the only one seeing this? I was pondering a lot about this but now I can't see it any other way.

##Vote Mr. Krabs

My former suspicions still stand, but it's safe to say that this is my main concern at the moment.

Cut by Saki.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Skull on October 24, 2011, 08:04:23 PM
Hmph...I guess I shall deign you all with my presence. Afterall, you're all naught but women and children.

@Saki Morimi: You're but a single women, and you dare challenge my Authority!?
Watch yourself carefully women...should you slip up, I'll be there to finish you!

@MerryWeather: You believe you can speak to me in such a way!?
Either way, I shall deign you with an answer.

As of the moment I find Duffman's lead by emotion to be a pretty damning point on him.

Mr. Krabs is quite the mongrel, requiring much prompting before willing to elaborate even slightly on his mysterious case. His willingness to even follow through what he stated is lacking. To state he wanted Li to post first, yet fell to pressure so easily shows he is a flight risk, a potential traitor.

As of the moment, I do not see the problem some people seem to have with Li.

##Unvote
##Vote MrKrabs


L-3
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 24, 2011, 08:08:48 PM
So Gilly, what's your case on Duffman, and why is Mr Krabs worse than Duffman now? You better start deigning quickly.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 24, 2011, 08:11:23 PM
That is to say, his "lead by emotion" needs exemplification of why it's such a damning thing and what you mean precisely. I don't find Duffman to be a huge concern exactly. I like Li Shang as my company on this wagon, I don't like Gilgamesh and Barney, the latter especially for cheerleading and bandwagon hopping when it's a "safe" wagon, and the former because his bandwagon hop is awful. You're voting Krabs because he crumbled and submitted to a completely reasonable request? Are you serious?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Sasword on October 24, 2011, 09:18:26 PM
Krabs is looking pretty Kruppy with his #52 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg737729.html#msg737729) and #54 rolefishing, then his weird case on Li which seems like a stretch.  The interesting point though, is the way he formed the case, he called on town to notice something he did; how easy would it to be to get a scumbuddy to comment on "Li's logic and contadictions".
This makes sense if Duff Beer Krabs was town, and now that I think about it, because of what you said, he is more likely town. Because based on that sentence, he either has really bad scumbuddies, or is town. If he can sound logical and can create his own cases then why isn't he doing so? If he's a bad scum player who can't creat good cases then that could mean his buddies aren't helping him at all, or they aren't online while he is. I find this first one unlikely due to stupidity, and I find the second one unlikely due to the fact I can't see it happening at all. So the real flaw is your counterpoint to me, because if scum can make well fleshed out cases filled with good logic, then why hasn't he done so? I would still like Duff Beer Krabs to make a better case anyway.
This was in response to Li.  Ironicly enough, I didn't buy this reasoning for Beer, but I think it applies to Krab himself.
Ultimately, I think this conjecture about what scum could/would do won't get us anywhere.

Echoing Saki's call for more reasoning on Duffman by Gilgamesh.  Truly though, I would like Duffman to not just be using beer gut.
Bo Peep and Kanji don't rub me wrong.  Have to reread Barney, Saki, and Li.  Going to work like clockwork.  ETA 4-6 hours.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Decade on October 24, 2011, 09:28:23 PM
What about Krabs makes you feel he's Town?

This (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg737808.html#msg737808) is the point where Scum would realize they are talking to much and shut up.
This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxPBfEXk3yQ) is the point where town realizes they are talking to much and shut up.
Notice how much closer Mr. Krabs is to the later than the former.

Barney is the worse vote on the wagon so far. It seems logically sound on the outside, but the case is an attempt to spin bad play as something only scum is capable of, and accusing Mr. Krabs as not having a reason to suspect Captain Li. I don't agree it was a good reason, but it was a reason that he had, and that he believed others could see.

##Unvote: Captain Li
##Vote: Barney


I'm also weary of Mr. Gilgamesh for similar sounding reasons.

Quote from: Orange
how easy would it to be to get a scumbuddy to comment on "Li's logic and contadictions".
I'm sure if Mr. Krabs was scum, he would have had a much easier time of it than he does in this game.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 24, 2011, 09:34:41 PM
Dealt with some shit recently.  The least of which was a mouse infestation.  Have you ever seen a cat catch multiple mice and eat their heads and brains?  It's slightly disturbing.

I don't get Bo Peep here. What about Krabs makes you feel he's Town?

I do!  Krabs looks townie to me too.  Krabs thought he caught something that would be a slam dunk scum nailed case.  The presentation for the case fits into my townies-are-weird.jpg file on my hard drive, since it's hard for me to imagine how playing along was going to help trap !scum Li.  I have had a similar experience before where I tried to do use quote wars to "expose" a logical contradiction and profess to the world that the perpetrator had to be scum for misreps (yadda yadda).

Krabs! have you considered that both of Li's statements might make sense if Scum is capable of BOTH imitating others as well as making good logical points?  These are not mutually exclusive, not even in the same scum!  I am not at all convinced by what you quoted.  I think you are town, but try to look at everybody here in a different light other than :logic error:.  Is Li scummy in any other way to you?

My strongest town read is the strongest man here, Duffman, and I suspect that is also Bo peep's strongest town read as well.   

##Unvote

The reason why I was especially wary of Merryweather's  posts started from this.
Quote
-could be a repeat of Go Planet from last game.

I pretty much crumbed it in the confirmation phase with earth and [fire].   I had thought Merryweather was aware of this and was disturbed by her attempts that to me looked like she was flushing my role out of me.   Li and DuffBeer did not have that same level emphasis on anything role-related, and I could understand where Li was coming from.  (DuffBeer not so much)

After a reread, Merry's posts are not as geared into spinning things scumily as I orginally thought, although I still remain wary.  Additionally, the fact that she was under the impression the whole time that GOPLANET was a 3rd party role AND using that to judge me makes me realize that she was colored the whole time.  It also makes me quite angry.

Also when I said that Merryweather looked townie, it did not mean a town read in context.   At that point I thought Merry had plenty of ~townie logic~ but was using it as part of a scum agenda.

Verdict.  Merry is someone who I am wary of and don't have a solid read on.

(Btw, calling out DuffBeer on his Eat: Gold ONLY is because there should be no reason to post it while bolding a question to the mod asking why it did nothing)

I have little time left to post, but I shall blatantly sheep to Duffman here.

##Vote Mandarin Orange
Because I agree with the case after rereading Orange's 2 posts carefully.

Gil is a close 2nd.  The krabs vote feels absolutely unnatural.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 24, 2011, 09:51:16 PM
YOU ALL SAW NOTHING. DUFFMAN IS INFALLIBLE.

Duffman is going to post again after he MAKES IT THROUGH ALL THIS NOISE!
Duffman sees a page of pointless badgering. This line of logic is exactly why Duffman refused to argue with Mr. Krabs in the first place. Duffman knows there is no logic there except for a cold Duff Beer! You've proven that Krabs's reasoning is awkward and hard to understand, but it's obvious he thinks he's being quite clever and catching someone doing some scummy shit. He's town this is noise and let's find someone actually being scum. YEAH ORANGE VOTE BROFISTS!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 24, 2011, 10:36:42 PM
So you're a sheep that flipped out on something I was unaware of.  The Bo Peep comment was a bit uncalled for but good to know.
##Unvote:

Barney's 115 makes my stomach churn mostly because of this:
Quote
Let's look at the town perspective: Krabs has a little debate with Li before unvoting, and voting for an easy pick, both done with iffy reasoning. He then waits a few posts and claims that it was all a show, while "revealing" his case on Li which he has still yet to explain clearly. Nothing of worth has happened between these posts. Why would town!Krabs do this? I'm honestly not seeing any other option but his being wary of Li's accusation, which town!Krabs shouldn't have been wary of. Meanwhile, scum!Krabs makes a lot more sense -  being overdefensive resulting in an ill-thought change of votes, which is followed by an attempt to cover for the mistake. Am I the only one seeing this? I was pondering a lot about this but now I can't see it any other way.
Forcing there to only be one reason for a townie to do anything is rebleepin'diculous. Townies are strange and do all manner of things. Krabs has done bad play and you have spun this into an "OMG town wouldn't do this, must be scum."  You really can't see any other reason for a townie to do this?

I also don't buy your cheerlead without a vote because I also see this as testing the waters for if you were going to get townie support on your wagon.
##Vote: Barney

Krabs is not the epitome of town though I will not support his lynch today.

Gilgamesh makes me want to punch him in the grape, though until he posts again I'm filling that as null.

The orange fruit of doom:
When my sisters and I look at his stuff it's like:
Good graciousness!  Who left the stream of consciousness running?
I don't buy the logic in his 119 that scum would blatantly talk and make such connections to each other by explaining each other's cases.
I think he's misrepping Mr. K in that the quote is "what scum would and wouldn't do" and is really just, scum can act townie but Mr K missed it and ran with it.  The fact that his Li suspicion just flew out the window just makes him worse.
I can get behind this lynch.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Den-O on October 24, 2011, 10:47:41 PM
The first fifty posts parsed. The only things I dislike is Duff Beer's hop on Alpha 60.

The first one hundred posts parsed.  Suddenly Alpha 60 claims Sana Spice. What is this. Why did you succumb to Mr. Krabs so easily? And I pray you plan on using your escape ability if you have one. I want you playing for Town, not an individual win con. At Mr Krabs' post number fifty two, why can everyone not look town? Do people have to look scum? Also, try reading and coming up with your own stuff instead of repeating what people are saying. I... what in the bloody... *Restarting* Mr. Krabs has just caused a major malfunction in my logic unit. Why are you suddenly throwing away your read on Duff Beer? What has he possibly done that could change your read. And you suddenly change around votes when the people you vote haven't posted. Why? Why am I leaning scum to you? And why are you attempting to make town go on a wild goose chase to find reasons on why Mr. Li Shang is scummy to you?

The rest of the posts will have to wait warmly while I still cool down from that reboot. I still do not like Mandarin Orange, and Mr. Duffman expresses my thoughts in more words. Mr. Krabs is insanely silly and shows signs of Appeasement, Randomly changing scum reads around without rhyme or reason, and Following other people's words, which all show signs of being Scum. Vote change awaits after parsing the rest of the thread.

##Standby Mode
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Den-O on October 24, 2011, 10:49:21 PM
Addendum to the last post:

Gilgamesh is having flavor interrupt the meaning of his post, so it is hard to parse. Even so, it says very little and might as well be an RVS post. He goes on my not town list. Everybody else is parsed as Town.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Faiz on October 24, 2011, 11:39:49 PM
##Pass Blue Bo Peep
##Pass Red Duffman
##Eat Black

DuffBeer, at the time of your vote for me, could you tell me your thought process?  Otherwise your original vote of me and your unvote now looks like a disconnect without explanation.
"Alpha 60's questionnaire looks annoying and I don't really see what town motivated purpose it serves." However, on that note, there was no real scum motivation either, other than making noise, and therefore I decided to vote for you for making noise. I also got cut by #32 when I was posting, which looked a lot better since it seemed like a push towards actual discussion.

Why Duff Beer dislikes the purple dinosaur:
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Faiz on October 24, 2011, 11:43:05 PM
And I almost forgot to ##Unvote ##Vote: Barney.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 25, 2011, 12:07:13 AM

Double brofists to Alpha who said what Duffman thought instantly about Mr. Krabs before Duffman said anything.
Duffman can't find a good pic of BROFORCE. Pretend it is posted RIGHT HERE.
Duffman is still not feeling righteous about the Mandarin. You just don't feel right dude. Duffman explained why it isn't just gut. Accusing Krabs of making a case so his scumbuddies can run in and be all helpful is a thing. See, scum don't actually want to look linked to each other. Or talk to each other. Talking to each other always looks fake. So let's pretend this is what actually happened. Where's his bros providing the logic? Duffman just sees a bunch of partygoing townies bashing him.

Duffman forgot about Bo Peep. Sorry babe, you know there's always room on this arm for more of Duffman's hot ladies. Bo Peep is talking the same sense Duffman likes out of everyone else. Duffman isn't as convinced about this radical dinosaur. What makes him worse then the other five people cheerleading Krabs? Like that Orange dude.

Duffman thinks lead by emotion is a pretty funny thing to be accused of. How is that scummy exactly? LISTEN TO YOUR HEART AND IT WILL LEAD YOU TO THE DUFFLAND. Duffman sees Gilgamesh as a harmless little puppy. Nonesense, but Duffman is too busy being BUFF for nonsense!

Bardiche on the other hand Duffman is not cool with at a glance. Duffman is going to a kegger so he'll wait to see what Bardiche comes up with before he swings that sucker. Duffman thinks the parts he doesn't like are obvious to anyone reading Duffman. You are all reading Duffman aren't you? THAT'S RIGHT CHECK THESE BICEPS OH YEAH!

Beer Buddy don't just swing for the possible wagons. Do you really only see people already suspected as scum right now?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Faiz on October 25, 2011, 12:20:41 AM
Why Duff Beer also dislikes Bo Peep:
#113: I feel like Bo Peep is being overdefensive of Mr. Krabs here. She attacks Li Shang for going after Mr. Krabs in #79, then says that she believes that Mr. Krabs in town at the beginning of #113. That much is understandable but I really dislike the end paragraph. This continues in #120. The thing here is that Bo Peep spends more time defending Mr. Krabs than making a case on Barney, the person she's voting for.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 12:36:18 AM
Bardiche, where is your Standby Button located so I can break it off and force you to make a vote when there's 24 hours left in the day.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 25, 2011, 12:44:02 AM
> Bardiche

> Bardiche

> Bardiche

You guys are driving me nuts, can we lynch Bardiche for my sanity?

I rather get where everyone's coming from on Krabs, but I don't think it's pro-town to let others make your case for you or flip-flop around as he does, especially when he has the audacity to claim he's Townie because someone else said "Town don't care about how others view them"; it's acting out someone else's claim of Town meta and then claiming they're Town because of it, and I continue to find it shoddy.

But alright, I'm willing to look past that. No problem, if people don't see that point there's little else I can hold against Krabs.

##Unvote

Gilgamesh and Barney annoy me if only because I find it difficult to decide where my vote should go. Other than calling people mongrels, Gilgamesh hasn't done much, let alone make a case. In terms of being helpful, he scores a -9 on a scale of 1 to 10. Barney is being at least a little helpful, but he's been cheering on the Krabs bandwagon for a bit before jumping onto it when it looked like that it'd stick.

Sadly, it doesn't.

I'm going to say I find Barney worse right now, if not only that Gilgamesh has sufficiently convinced me that he's useless weight beyond all recognition and I don't think voting him will accomplish much. The case on him is that he's a useless piece of waste; I'd be all for lynching him if nothing scummy pops up.

##Vote: Barney

So who's scummiest beside Krabs, Barney? 30 hours into the game and you cheerleaded, stalled and bandwagon hopped.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 25, 2011, 02:09:28 AM
Duffman changed his mind. Duffman isn't cool with this Barney wagon. It feels like we're jumping on someone for no reason other then because they weren't here to contribute. Duffman isn't impressed with content but Duffman doesn't like easy targets. Duffman wants to hear better reasons from everyone for this wagon if it sticks until the end of the day.

Day End at 23 hours and counting.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 02:33:56 AM
Does it now. The purple Dino hasn't responded to what I felt was a solid case made by mwah.

Aside from borrowing my reason on the Orange about scum linking, please tell us why you think he's the supreme evil and why we shouldn't lynch Barney.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 02:35:08 AM
Not responding means I'm holding the scummy reasons to him until he explains them.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Serela on October 25, 2011, 02:46:00 AM
>V-V-V-Votecount! Just 'cause.

Bo Peep (0)
Mandarin Orange (3): Duffman, Bardiche, Alpha60
Captain Li Shang (1): Mr.Krabs
Duff Beer (1): Kanji Watanabe
Kanji Watanabe (0)
Alpha 60 (0):
Saki Morimi (0)
Merryweather (0):
Mr.Krabs (4): Megaman.EXE, Captain Li Shang, Gilgamesh, Barney
Barney (4): Bo Peep, Merryweather, Duff Beer, Saki Morimi
Duffman (0):
Gilgamesh (0):
Megaman.EXE (0):
Bardiche (0):

Not Voting: Mandarin Orange

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Mr.Krabs and Barney are at L-4.

23~ hours left in the day. No Majority means No Lynch. I will return about 6 hours before deadline, cannot guarantee any earlier then that. 
Link to Countdown for D1 Deadline (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&month=10&day=25&year=2011&hour=22&min=&sec=&p0=745)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 02:50:40 AM
Mod: How long are we waiting on Megaman before you know, something happens?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 25, 2011, 03:02:49 AM
Aside from borrowing my reason on the Orange about scum linking, please tell us why you think he's the supreme evil and why we shouldn't lynch Barney.
Excuse me? Who's borrowing whose reasoning now? Duffman has been pushing the Orange this entire day. If anyone could possibly be borrowing reasoning in this conversation it would be you. Duffman hasn't really been reading your posts anyways! Duffman doesn't need to look at his waifus!

Why are there still votes on Mr. Krabs?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 25, 2011, 03:06:55 AM
Duffman was so annoyed he forgot to answer the question. I don't have a solid reason your logic searching will accept. It simply feels fast and easy.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 03:26:27 AM
What?
I don't buy the logic in his 119 that scum would blatantly talk and make such connections to each other by explaining each other's cases.
Accusing Krabs of making a case so his scumbuddies can run in and be all helpful is a thing. See, scum don't actually want to look linked to each other. Or talk to each other. Talking to each other always looks fake. So let's pretend this is what actually happened. Where's his bros providing the logic? Duffman just sees a bunch of partygoing townies bashing him.
Tell me that isn't the same point on Orange with just more ~words~

That you immediately threw out an excuse along with the claim bothers me.  I mean you've read me enough to know I asked you a question. 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: OOO on October 25, 2011, 03:31:06 AM
Sorry, got lost in the internet again. Why does this place keep changing every game or two, anyway?

##Unvote. Lynching malfunctioning programs isn't the point of the game. Krabs just honestly reads more as wrong and playing badly than actually scummy.

I'd prefer to see Barney lynched today. Cheerleading an easy wagon doesn't exactly sit well with me, and he's not even made any attempts to dissuade that. At that, for wanting to get a 'read on players', I can't see any real reads other than 'Krubs is scum, also I suspected some other people but that hasn't changed'. It seems like he hadn't even done any work, and if he didn't spend that time scumhunting, I can't imagine he's actually town.

Other than that, I'm kind of disliking Duffman. In general Bo Peep and Alpha playing KRABS FENCE REMOVAL FORCE kind of irritates me, even if I understand why they explained what they were thinking, Duffman trying to slide into the group afterwards feels off somehow. On top of that, his weird 'gut' vote on Mandarin for... what again? and constant sayings of 'I've already said this ARE YOU READING ME' drive my head and circles and only seem to be made to confuse. It's more an off feeling than an actual scumread, but he gets a frowny sticker for it.

Bardiche gets a frowny face, but I may remove that if he would get to finishing reading things. He's actually been at this longer than I have, apparently.

Gilgamesh gets a target sticker for being completely and utterly useless. I'd honestly like him gone, but it's completely correct that we'd get nothing out of it. So instead I will ask him to kindly stop trying to act in-character and fucking -contribute something-.

Everyone else gets smiley stickers for not making my head hurt more than it already has. Merryweather gets a bottle of wine as an apology for my terrible sleeping habits.

##Vote: Barney
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Den-O on October 25, 2011, 03:52:32 AM
All posts parsed.

At Ms. Bo Peep's post one hundred and twenty, I do not accept that as a reasonable clear for Mr. Krabs, as that falls under Logical Fallacy (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=No_True_Scotsman).

I express dislike at Mr. Krabs, but I can not make a clear analysis of him. Mr. Krabs claims to jump on the easy wagon because he was under pressure. This is akin to claiming scum behavior, but this seems too silly to be scum. As such, I am rebooting my logic on him and leaving him for later.

Mandarin Orange's third post does not impress me. I do not even understand what you are trying to get at with your Mr. Krabs comments. Are you cheerleading the wagon or are you defending Mr. Krabs? Who do you think is scum? Why do you not have a vote? Are you going to be useful? My vote stays here.

My opinion of Barney is summarized by Duff Beer's post number one hundred and twenty six, and there is not really much more that can be added from that. I however, will leave my vote on Mandarin Orange because I do not want him to disappear today.

Gilgamesh may get thrown in a pile of junk. Focusing on him would be pointless.

Everybody else I would put as the Town/Sense Making/Not posting list.

Cut by Megaman.EXE, but I shall just label him in the "Jump the Barney Wagon" group. How do you feel about Mr. Krabs and Mandarin Orange?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 25, 2011, 03:55:12 AM
That's what I thought. Looking badly at Duffman because he doesn't like your sudden lynch plan? Who the hell do you think I am?! Duffman doesn't like your tone. His point is you're implying that's the first or only thing he's ever said about the Orange, and that without that one line of reasoning the chase is invalid. It isn't and it's not. Duffman found your fight with Alpha bad enough. Town will not survive again if we can't stick together and look for the scum where they are. Duffman thinks people dislike how he's cockblocking them from all their lynches based on annoying play. Duffman doesn't care what it takes to pull this town in line. Duffman wants a lynch with meaning instead of a lynch filled with random bandwagon hoppers.

I will try not to hold against Megaman how many of his opinions are parroting since it's late in the day. Still, I think his thoughts are a mirror of Merryweather. He'll have to show Duffman where he's "constantly" said something that happened in one post or Duffman will crush his misrepresenting head.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 25, 2011, 04:04:07 AM
Regrettably, I will probably not be around tomorrow until a few hours before deadline. The huns are approaching, so I intend to take the time to prepare my men.

---

The orange wagon looks weird, in a way that I'm surprised it even exists. I think that the fruit has been succinct with his opinions, not scummy with them. I get a town feeling from him overall, though, I do believe he could try to explain how his previous stances have changed more. I will refrain from commenting on my opinion of his lack of a vote for now, but I do think he should definitely attempt to place one in his next post if possible. Regardless, none of the votes against him have me "sold" on the case.

I am having trouble following the Barney case. I thought his conclusions were logical and that his lack of a vote was mainly caused by him being in the middle of reading the thread rather than being scum fishing for support or whatever. I get the impression that people are making a mountain out of a molehill in regards to him, and his wagon's growth is unnerving to me.

Mr. Krabs is the only wagon I prefer right now. I felt like he attacked me in an attempt to discredit my vote rather than because he thought he found a slam-dunk case, though this view may possibly be tainted by knowledge of my own alignment. Why did Saki jump off of him while claiming that people "don't see the case" when the Krabs wagon clearly still had support? This confuses me.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 25, 2011, 04:24:46 AM
By the way, Duff Beer worries me now, though not enough that I would vote him over Mr. Krabs. The way he comes to his conclusions seems unnatural to me, in that I do not feel that Barney "dropped everything" to go after Mr. Krabs so much as that he just spent time elaborating on his main suspect after finishing his re-read. It seems odd that Duff Beer would use this as what appears to be the crux of his case, and I get the impression that he was digging up dirt on the prehistoric beast rather than backing up his opinion. #129 is associative tells without flips and I do not see how Bo Peep is suspicious for defending a town read of hers. The alcoholic drink should return to explain this and make it clear why Barney is scum from his point of view.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 04:28:14 AM
What in the mother fuck?

Hell has frozen over as Megaman posts.

Duffman that's not what I'm saying at all. You aren't cockblocking me from my lynch because Barney is the scums and you haven't told me why he's town or why the fruit is worse. So I'm stayin here thank you very much.

You tacked my initial reasoning onto your case with no mention of me besides the excuse that "I'm not reading her posts anyway" hi expecting what was coming next.  It's like you were anticipating me to call you out on taking it yet wave it away at the same thine.
You have your orange case but I feel my Barney one is better.  I'm not looking badly at you for my "sudden lynch plan" where are you pulling this from. I just felt you were strange for that retort to you know copying.

Li wants me to punch him in the face too.  Besides the whole leaving all day thing, are you correctly pharseing the Barney case?  I consists of more than just the not voting thing.
You do bring up an interesting point regarding Saki to Barney and Krabs though which should be looked into when either of them flip.


Regarding the speed of the Barney wagon, I feel it's possible for scum to gain quick wagons from nowhere as what's commonly believed to be a town only thing. I've seen it before, hell PX from last game did this day one. Scum can early bus him as well which is why the quick wagon thing isn't bothering me as much as you feel.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 25, 2011, 04:31:46 AM
I parsed it, I just disagree with your point. He seems to be narrow-minded, but I don't think that this alone means anything about his intentions.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 25, 2011, 04:34:51 AM
Also, the way that the Barney wagon's growth unnerves me is not because of speed, but rather because I do not agree with the logic behind it and the support for it seems more like people (like Duff Beer) are just latching onto it.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 25, 2011, 04:47:58 AM
Duffman thinks they're different situations. Duffman is sorry he got all wiggy on his waifu. Duffman promises to hold and protect her as long as that other lady doesn't come by oh baby what's YOUR name? ..Where was I..

Oh right, Barney. Duffman can't tell you why Barney is town. Duffman isn't that close to dinosaurs! Only that for someone who could be lurking scum he sure got alot of attention fast. Barney needs to do the talking at this point. You just have to be willing to listen. He should claim when he gets here. Maybe then Duffman can make his orange juice.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Sasword on October 25, 2011, 04:49:46 AM
Duffman is still not feeling righteous about the Mandarin.  Duffman explained why it isn't just gut. Accusing Krabs of making a case so his scumbuddies can run in and be all helpful is a thing. See, scum don't actually want to look linked to each other. Talking to each other always looks fake. So let's pretend this is what actually happened.
Merry and you both make this point and it's viable, but so is scum actively working together, which is why it's futile to theorize what scum is doing.
Quote
Where's his bros providing the logic? Duffman just sees a bunch of partygoing townies bashing him.
Exactly, which means that since no one was helping him with his case, I think he's a solo act.
Quote
What makes him worse then the other five people cheerleading Krabs? Like that Orange dude.
Which means I wasn't cheerleading, because I think Krabs is town; even if I don't think much of his "logic and contradictions" case, he remains logically consistent to himself in an iso-read.

Krabs explains this by claiming he was going for Li all along and that he changed votes to Bardiche only because he was "playing along". I didn't buy this earlier, and I don't buy this now. Let's look at the town perspective: Krabs has a little debate with Li before unvoting, and voting for an easy pick, both done with iffy reasoning. He then waits a few posts and claims that it was all a show, while "revealing" his case on Li which he has still yet to explain clearly. Nothing of worth has happened between these posts. Why would town!Krabs do this? I'm honestly not seeing any other option but his being wary of Li's accusation, which town!Krabs shouldn't have been wary of. Meanwhile, scum!Krabs makes a lot more sense -  being overdefensive resulting in an ill-thought change of votes, which is followed by an attempt to cover for the mistake. Am I the only one seeing this? I was pondering a lot about this but now I can't see it any other way.
TownKrabs could do this because he was suspicious of Li (like most townies are of people that are not them) and see if he could get a scummy reaction, which Krabs seems to think he found.  I don't have the ability to read into motives, and the way you're shoehorning Krabs is not something I can follow.

People that seem genuine: Merry, Alpha, Duffman, Krabs.  Unsure: Saki, Kanji, Bo, Bard, Beer.  People I'm watching: Megaman, Li, Barney, Gil

Cut by Li, interesting I'll look into this. Also, vote now, uh.. Barney over Krabs, puts him at L-2.
##Vote: Barney
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Sasword on October 25, 2011, 04:52:17 AM
Rather L-3 I think, numbers are hard.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 04:53:20 AM
I see. That's a better point then what I first thought you were implying. I'll look into Saki and Duffbeer's actions and wagon hops as well as Barney's own response to this in the morning.

But now Fauna has a few words for our no so beloved King.

Listen closely dear, we cannot read into your heart based on you apparently ruling out kindness and mild mannerisms which results in great hostilities in every which direction. If you could just say what you have to say I think it would make it easier for all of us since the case on you will almost surely default to lynching you over bad play and not being scum.  So please take a moment and elaborate on your reads for us, dear.

Regarding hell freezing over over there, he's essentially untouchable today so I will hold you to make wonderful content in the near future to dispel this thing I've got against your play thus far. Yes, you're salvageable as town but I can't really read your post so far as more than neutral neutral since it's late day whatever Manduff covered it.

Oh she passed out. Gonna have to wait for morning to deal with the Mandarin cut then.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Sasword on October 25, 2011, 04:58:19 AM
Forgot to count my vote second time around, Barney is indeed at L-2.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 05:01:49 AM
This is a friendly reminder that I will bitchslap anyone who places Barney at L-1 before he gets to speak.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Den-O on October 25, 2011, 05:11:01 AM
Please, explain, for our sanity, why you are voting Barney Mandarin Orange? I want your thought process on this.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 25, 2011, 05:38:43 AM
I'm back guys.
I'm not sure if I mentioned it earlier, but I was actually using Li's reasoning for my defenses against him, but taking his word for it instead. He said scum can imitate other people to ward off votes. So I took his word for it and said that if Duff Beer did that then that would mean he was scum. But Capt. Li didn't like that logic (even though it was his), so he continued to attack me anyway. I wouldn't use other peoples logic normally, I was just using it to prove a point.

And Saki: I wasn't actually claiming to be town because of that reason. I was just opening your mind to other things it could mean. Townies don't always care about how they look, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Whether they do or don't is really a null-tell and shouldn't be used. And I wasn't getting town to make my case either. I was asking them to reread my interactions with Li to see if they can find my views on him. They can't find my views if I never had them, and I obviously proved I did have views by making the case in the end. IMO, everyone's reactions are just as interesting as the case itself.

And if I had scumbuddies to help me then why didn't they come? I didn't see anybody trying to help me at all.

Hmmm... Barney.
Barney isn't looking good in my book either. Firstly for the aforementioned tunneling on me, Secondly for not having a vote (mentioned previously too), but his reaction to my case wasn't that good either. I haven't dropped my previous suspicions either. I know I'm parroting everyone but there is really nothing else to be said.

I actually have even more suspicions now.
People like:
Barney:Explained above
Gilgamesh: Dropping in everyonce in a while to say jack shit and then leave. Plus lol blatant bandwagon hops. Mongrels are the ones who don't provide reasons. We aren't the Mongrels (well most of us aren't), you are.
Capt. Li: I think it's quite obvious why I don't like him.
Bardiche: I still don't like him because he still hasn't done anything other than votepark with little reasons and low contribution.
Mandarin: I don't exactly think Mandarin is scum. It's really more of a gut read on him instead. His posts seem a bit iffy and he doesn't elaborate much on his points but I really think that's the only bad thing about him so far. Leaning town, gut read scum.

I would probably vote Barney now, but I don't want to get bitchslapped.

Oh and it's nice to see a post from Megaman. I'll give him a few more posts before I judge him properly, but I currently think is isn't looking that bad aside from parroting.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Sasword on October 25, 2011, 07:01:42 AM
I share the opinion of Merryweather and Li that Barney was not testing the waters for town support.  Reading once over, then going through with a fine tooth comb is the mode of orangerandi that Barney and I share.  I parsed Krabs as being town despite the wonky play, due to finding him consistent to himself.  Barney then shoehorns Krabs into being scum, misrepping him and as of yet to have looked at it differently.  I disagreed with Barney, and therefore between the two wagons, would prefer Barney over Krabs.

Besides those two?  DuffBeer's hop (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738140.html#msg738140) seems the least optimal because he only has one and a half reasons to vote, and I disagree with the claim the Barney was waiting for support, making that two half reasons to vote: Barney making a case on Krabs (which isn't really explained why it's a bad case), and Barney not talking about other people.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Den-O on October 25, 2011, 07:43:56 AM
I am satisfied with Mandarin Orange.

##Unvote

That being said, I dislike some of the jumps onto the Barney wagon, but that shall be addressed once somebody flips. My vote will effectively count as on Barney, and the only other person I can be persuaded to vote would be Mr. Krabs.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 07:53:07 AM
Krabs don't vote barney.  I have stuff to do.

Megaman gave me water.
Kanji gave me fire (also heart, but I can only choose one from him I think)

I am missing Wind/Earth and one of Fire/Heart (unless I missed them in thread).  I am asking for these words kindly.  I'd appreciate people to supply them as fast as possible.  I promise you that they serve a confirmable pro-town purpose.  Considering people are thinking I look genuine/townie, I don't see why anyone should hesitate at this juncture.

Now then, Barney is a town read for me.  His case on Krabs is not "shoehorning" or w/e people are calling it.  It actually makes a good deal of sense and is developing a read of Barney's main suspect.  It shows that Barney has read and re-read Krab's posts and vote history carefully, and provided a case for scum!Krabs.  In fact, of Krab's wagon, I like Barney the best because the case is the one I was thinking of when considering scum!Krabs.  I, however, have ultimately filed Krabs under townies-are-weird.jpg for reasons stated eariler.  People who stand out more from krabs former large wagon were Gilgamesh and Saki.  Gil for a weak vote and Saki for in my opinion having a feild day whilst saying something like "good enough for a D1 case" (paraphrased).  Let's just say I'm wary of Saki but otherwise won't concern myself with him.

I see where Duff Beer is coming from but I don't agree with "Barney is abaddoning other people Barney suspected" because people can get easily sidetracked when they think they have something better.

Bardiche's "reseting opinion of Krabs" makes sense to me because I had the same reaction to this ordeal.  Whilst I think krabs is town, I'm giving him *blank state status*.  His lastest post is neutral which doesn't further my read one way or the other.

in terms of towniness, I think Barney is more town than Krabs if it comes down to it.  I will do EVERYTHING in my POWER to not waste this day on either lynch.

Let's talk about Orange. 

In Orange's first (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg737723.html#msg737723) two (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg737765.html#msg737765) posts, Orange was pretty negative towards Li but it's verdict is soft without the vote.  "Li is the most suspicious" ---> "Li looked the worst" ----> "Li not looking to Hot" is not strong enough to convince me you think that Li is indeed scummy without a vote to back it up.  Your analysis doesn't offset this either when the most you had was "Paranoia" and "pushing votes".  Your next two (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738088.html#msg738088) posts (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738259.html#msg738259) don't tell me either.  In fact you retracted your "not so Hot" read of Li into the "re-read" pile without any kind of updates as to what you think of him.  To me, this looks like an escape from responsibility for the read. 
Quote
Krabs is looking pretty Kruppy with his #52 and #54 rolefishing, then his weird case on Li which seems like a stretch.  The interesting point though, is the way he formed the case, he called on town to notice something he did; how easy would it to be to get a scumbuddy to comment on "Li's logic and contadictions".
Here you are assuming a scum!Krabs and conjecturing on your fancy and no where do you explicitly state that you thought krabs was town. (You quote something krabs said and made a point that krab's logic could apply to town krabs.  However this is not at all saying that you ACTUALLY think krabs is town).
When you do say you think crabs is town, I sense disconnect because of
Quote
Merry and you both make this point and it's viable, but so is scum actively working together, which is why it's futile to theorize what scum is doing.
You are critizing Duffman for taking umbrage with your conjecturing whilst still trying to validate your conjecturing assuming scum!krabs.
You say it's futile to theorize what scum (assuming scum!krabs) is doing when you brought it up in the first place.  Don't you realize why Duffman is accusing you of cheerleading?  Because you are throwing out reasons for scum!krabs without voting and without saying that you think krabs is town!

MOST IMPORTANTLY!  you are voting barney because you think his wagon is better than krabs (and that barney is supposedly scummy) whilst the people you orignally thought were bad (a.k.a Li) are now left in the dust with little explanation.

You are quite scummy, and I want my words.

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 25, 2011, 07:57:20 AM
Oh hell you only live once.

EARTH WIND SHADOW WOOD SWORD THUNDER POWER SPEAR!
CARDCAPTORS OF THE CLOW EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED NOW!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 25, 2011, 08:05:52 AM
My vote will effectively count as on Barney
That means Barney has technically been pseudo lynched.
I am satisfied with Mandarin Orange.
Capt Li. what do you think of this? Bardiche voted Orange for one or two reasons and didn't really bother with him until that. In on of his posts he actually make (some kind of) a case against me, which is easily better than his Orange case, yet he continues to vote Orange. He mentions Orange for the third time in his posts by asking a question. Orange answers the question, and Bardiche unvotes and claims that he is satisfied.
THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT YOU WERE PINNING ME FOR.

Cut by Alpha and Duffman.
What on earth are you doing Alpha?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 08:16:35 AM
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

That's the sound computers make when they are happy.  I just checked and realized Bo Peep said heart too in my questionaire. 

I definitely have all the words so I'm pretty much ready to claim before sleeping.

Krabs - Earth
Kanji - Fire
Megaman - Water
Duffman - Wind
Bo Peep - Heart

Those will be my five.  (I could quote myself but I prefer this).   I Claim DAY VIG.  I am seriously considering shooting Orange and Gil.  Bardiche has me wondering what prompted his last post. I want Gil to start talking fast.  I want Both Orange and Gil to claim although I don't know protocol here and I am not sure if it's best for town if they claim or not.  Computer seeks advice from humans on claiming procedure.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 25, 2011, 08:38:40 AM
Why did we have to say those words? Does that make us not targets for your vig?

Claiming is generally better if you claim when your about to be lynched, in a massclaim, when you're planning to use your role at some point in the day.
(keep in mind I'm not that good with claiming either, this is just the general way we do it here)
I think you're doing the third option. So I'm asking you, Are you planning to vig someone by the end of the day?

@Mod: Will vigging someone reset the votecounts?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Den-O on October 25, 2011, 08:44:57 AM
##Sealing Form, set up

Personally, I would give both of them one chance to convince you to not shoot them. However, the choice goes down to you. And I would do it before the end of the day rush starts, as adding more chaos would not be advisable for town. I would shoot Gil, as even as worthless as he is, he still can provide some connections.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 25, 2011, 08:59:12 AM
Oh, another thing.
Alpha: How many shots does your vig have? And why exactly is Gil a possible vig target when you haven't even mentioned much about him?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Den-O on October 25, 2011, 09:08:13 AM
A vig is essentially giving Town another kill. A dayvig is much more so. The best way to use it is on two things: To kill the second scummiest person in the game, as the scummiest person is most likely going to get lynched, or to kill the useless people that the scum will most likely not NK and are likely to be able to hold town back, and lynching them would be a waste of a day.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: OOO on October 25, 2011, 09:26:06 AM
@Bardiche: ...Oh you did come back. Whoops. Missed your post entirely somehow. I've already said I am not willing to lynch Mr. Krabs.

Orange I actually didn't pay correct attention to, methinks. Firstly, I missed he didn't actually vote Krabs in his 'Krabs is Kruppy' which is uhm. Interesting. Ultimately looking at that post again, it's completely and utterly meaningless since he disregards and later says he thinks Krabs is town. Originally I thought he was a supporter of KRABS KILLING, but that was just...fluff? His latest posts make my head hurt but I kind of think I get what he's saying. Ultimately I'd kinda toss it as a BARNEY BANDWAGON BOUNCE. Other than that seems to be honestly nothing that really stands out. Null, ultimately, but I'm not so sure what to say and I think I may want to pay closer attention to him.

@Alpha: You know, You probably should've waited until after the nightphase to get dayviggy with this. I understand there is atleast one person who is in need of a good vigging, but this is just going to add more rush to the end of day.

I'd agree more with a Gil shot, Orange is currently Null while I'm still not seeing anything from the King of Egos. I'd like you to give the good King of Egos another chance to post before shooting, ofcourse, but I'd rather see him shot.

I'd leave claiming to the face shotee's discretion and just give them a warning when you're going to shoot their face in. And I'd like potential face shotees to realize they should be around incase their face is shot in.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 25, 2011, 09:32:59 AM
@Bard: But who decided that Gil was the second scummiest person in the game?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Skull on October 25, 2011, 12:06:17 PM
@Krabs: Wifom more would you? "If I .... Then Why ...." Hah, like such a thing can even be used as a defense. However, you point on Captain Li is intriguing...I shall be off your back for now...

@Bardiche: You seem alittle too willing to get me killed, while it should reasonable. It feels that you're too overeager in getting a free kill...and pray tell what information you should gain from killing me?
My flip? Then what? Connections? Ha! Know your place, scrap metal!
You better have a good case going, to think you claim you don't like some of the people on the Barney wagon and then proceed to follow it is not very showing!
You appear in my eyes to be jumping towards likely safe targets, using others reasons to clear yourself off your previous ones. Your willingness to seemingly abandon every wagon you've been on to immediately jump towards what seems to be safest!

##Unvote
##Vote Bardiche


@Alpha 60: You are asking me to...claim...!? As of the moment I refuse.

I shall be back later.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 12:30:16 PM
Why am I waking up to something head banglingly stupid?
Gracious, if you claim multivig on day 1 I hardly can find reason to use it. Yeah no we aren't shooting Gilgamesh since all he's been is drive by bash time and would offer no information whatsoever and I'm frankly calling into question your motives for killing people for no other reason then "they are useless, die"
What worries me more about this is there are little to no connections any of your targets except the orange have with anyone else. Why claim and then threaten to shoot day 1 if you aren't going to make the most of your vig?  You know enough that people should claim before they die, I'm guessing shooting someone prematurely wouldn't be straight logic to you.
Followed by there are now 12 hours left in the day. You shoot someone, our end of day lynch will be utter bullshit as it will just be a scramble.
Let me read Barney wagon hops and give you my nomination for the shot then.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Decade on October 25, 2011, 12:53:24 PM
Bardiche, Darling, Could you please explain in more detail how believing a person is town because the person is acting in a way I believe town would naturally act is a logical fallacy?

Catching up, oh me, oh my, oh dear. Mr. Alpha, you are a very overeager young AI. Why, You remind me of Mr. Lightyear when he came out of the box!
Choosing between Bardiche, Orange, and Gilgamesh? Well, to be honest, they are all very null reads for poor little me. If I were to come up with a reason to vig any of them, it would be Orange because at the very least, people have expressed strong opinions about him. In the realm of who's scum or not, I believe it's a throw of the die at that point. Are you sure you wanted to use your powers today, Sugar?

Sweet, young Andy is waking up from his nap. I'll have to sleep for a bit, but I'll try to make it back as soon as I can.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 12:53:54 PM
I'm going to half gut the fuck out of Kanji and couple that with he vanished off the face of the earth when all the good stuff started happening. How do you feel about shooting him?

If the orange is going to talk about me, at least make them the right words
Quote
I share the opinion of Merryweather and Li that Barney was not testing the waters for town support. 
No, I earlier agreed with the notion that Barney WAS testing waters for town support so I'm going to write this down as a questionable action.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 01:38:07 PM
Orange's 149
"Merry and you both make this point and it's viable, but so is scum actively working together, which is why it's futile to theorize what scum is doing."
You first brought this point up?  Why are you attacking people that call you on your logic?

You strongly expressed desire to lynch Krabs in 119:
"Krabs is looking pretty Kruppy with his #52 and #54 rolefishing, then his weird case on Li which seems like a stretch.  The interesting point though, is the way he formed the case, he called on town to notice something he did; how easy would it to be to get a scumbuddy to comment on "Li's logic and contadictions"."

Yet now you're clearing Krabs. Just because he's a solo act?
I'm not following where you cleared him.

Your Barney case is weak to the point it's almost nonexistent.
##Unvote:
##Vote:Mandarin Orange

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Ryuki on October 25, 2011, 01:55:04 PM
Incoming defense.

"He's not defending himself." Has a possible thought crossed your mind that, just maybe, I wasn't online? Maybe there are timezones in play? Now I'm online, so now I'm defending myself. "He hasn't contributed anything but this Krabs thing for 30 hours" also falls into the same catagory: I wasn't around. Why am I getting lynched for it?

I'm getting accused of spinning bad play and "forcing" Krabs to be scum. I honestly CAN see how people reached this conclusion, so let me clarify what my case was about: I see the likelihood of Mr. Krabs being a mistake-making townie smaller than the likelihood of him being wary scum. I did not discount the option of "mistake-making townie", as much as some of you insisted that this is what I did.

I am also getting accused of cheerleading and "testing the waters" before voting. Please tell me, how in the world did you reach this conclusion? I read the thread, notice Krabs' behavior and question him about it. I then reread the thread, not getting a better suspicion despite thinking I would, and go with my vote. NOTHING has changed in the Krabs wagon to cause me to think it's safer to vote. On the contrary: the line of questioning he went through only made people think he's town. The only "vote" that may have "changed" was Saki's, which was already on Krabs and he just forgot to unvote. And I couldn't have even been able to  "mistake" this for a Saki vote because I was cut by him! It's almost like people didn't bother to read the thread at all. In fact, I'm pretty sure I headdesked a few times when reading the thread just now.

Nothing scummy in Bo Peep's and Merryweather's cases. Duff Beer's problems with me are either stupid or wrong. The 3 votes thing is horribly wrong, I actually add a valid argument agaisnt Alpha, there is nothing wrong with my 'poke' and I never 'dropped' any suspicions I had on you or Alpha. Speaking of which, this certainly doesn't help your own case.  Megaman's case is based on how I have *yet* to reply to my accusations and have *not contributed* enough, which I claim is completely out of my control. Orange is either blaming me for the same things Merryweather did or he's done a terrible job of explaining himself, and he didn't even bother making an opinion on me earlier before coming up with this out of nowhere. "Yeah this puts him at L-2 whoops". Krabs brings nothing new to the table, and Bardiche... uh, I literally don't have a clue. I talk about Saki's vote later.

I see everyone but Bo Peep's and Merryweather's cases as either "bad case" or blatant bandwagoning. This lynch is terrible. Cut it out.


... Ahem.

Remember Duff Beer? Despite what he may think, I still don't like him quite a bit! I still see his early Alpha vote as unneeded / scummy. However, what's interesting is that his vote on me makes EXACTLY the same mistake. His place on the wagon is very convenient, and his case is not a case. Last time it was because he was parroting. Now it's just dumb. I think I actually have an explanation for this: exaggerating. His "lol you waited for 3 posts before posting" is extremely exaggerated, and this is assuming he thought Saki actually changed vote to Barney (when he didn't). He took the poke thing and suddenly made it a viable cause for suspicion. He claims I was parroting when accusing Alpha when I wasn't, which is caused either by exaggeration or by a lack of reading into my posts, and the latter is terrible because, if that's the case, then you shouldn't have made a case against me in the first place. I identify this post as an ill-thought approach to joining the "vote Barney" rush and turning it into a wagon, just like he did when Merryweather accused Alpha. Town may want to do this when they desperately need a vote down. Duff Beer literally had no reason to badly turn these two accusations into wagons, and he did this anyway. Scum!Beer now makes more sense to me than Scum!Krabs.

##Unvote
##Vote: Duff Beer


Saki's #131 bothers me. A lot. He calls me out for cheerleading and jumping on a "safe" wagon, his vote staying on Krabs. He then waits until three other people vote for me to "look past" his accusations on Krabs, repeat his accusations on me and then proceed to vote for me. I want an explanation: why is THIS not "cheerleading and jumping on a 'safe' wagon"?

Let's see... the Orange? I don't know what to think. The fact he didn't vote bothered me at the time (and still does), his wagon vote bugs me, and yet nothing is giving me the "he's scum, get him" vibes. Could be because some of his arguments make sense, despite his actions not making sense. Yeah, I don't know.

Alpha's vig claim is a really, really risky move for scum. Not to mention, he can and ~probably~ will prove his own claim, for what it's worth. He may still be 3rd party with day vig, or some other random thing, but I don't think he's giving us much of a choice at this point. I don't know about a vig target, though.

Currently agreeing that Kanji needs to post. I don't think I'm forgetting anyone else, which is certainly a good thing!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 03:36:44 PM
Quote
The fact that his Li suspicion just flew out the window just makes him worse.
Still a thing. That you have yet to mention Li or follow up the strong suspicions you held on him from earlier is getting worse.

Barney gets a pass flick of the wand. Not willing to lynch him today.
Who would be your second if a duffbeer lynch can't get rolling?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 25, 2011, 03:43:45 PM
Why did Saki jump off of him while claiming that people "don't see the case" when the Krabs wagon clearly still had support? This confuses me.

Oh, that's easily answered. Gilgamesh and Barney were the support. I don't consider Gilgamesh's support to be any bit valuable, and Barney looks scummy. You're the only one on the wagon I like, and I don't think a wagon of two is valuable. So I'm switching to someone I also think is scum, which is Barney.

Quote
I want an explanation: why is THIS not "cheerleading and jumping on a 'safe' wagon"?

Because if I didn't vote you in lieu of Mr Krabs, you'd all be accusing me of cheerleading the Barney wagon! Honestly, I swapped votes because while Mr Krabs is bad, I also find you bad. I don't see a big problem between getting Preferred Lynch Target #1 and Preferred Lynch Target #2, especially if I can have both of them sooner or later. I differentiate it with your case, because at the time my vote was purposeful and I thought that everyone would bow down and see the LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL when they'd notice Krabs' scummy behaviour.

Then people began coming in saying it was wrong and Krabs struck them as Townie. With my company on the Krabs wagon being Gilgamesh's blatant bandwagon hop and your vote which I disliked due to aforementioned cheerleading, I was prepared to abandon the Krabs train if the majority on it were people I find disagreeable.

Quote
Please tell me, how in the world did you reach this conclusion?

As far as I saw, you entered during the discussion with Mr Krabs, and this is entirely coincidental as far as I care. That you then proceeded to pressure Mr Krabs and indicate you found him scummy, but refused to place your vote on him even as a temporary placeholder struck me as cheerleading, because you were adding fuel to a fire but deigning not to be part of that fire.

I don't follow your reasoning for not placing your vote on the thing that struck out at you on a first re-read, and why you'd read the thread again after that. Can you explain? Why didn't you place a vote on someone you thought was scummy before rereading everything (again)?

A Dayvig claim? That's... interesting.

OK, I'm going to step the fuck back and read things again and see if I still stand on the same ground as yesterday.

Also with 10 hours left in the day, it's pertinent to know if the votecount will be reset after a Vig, and I expect it will, so if Alpha 60's vigging he best do it while there's enough time left to organise Town on a lynch.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 03:43:57 PM
Why did we have to say those words? Does that make us not targets for your vig?

 So I'm asking you, Are you planning to vig someone by the end of the day?

@Mod: Will vigging someone reset the votecounts?

Yes, Yes, and probably not, Serela didn't say anything about votecounts in my role PM.

Also it's time for townie questions time!  I need to gather my thoughts for bit but I wanted to say that I am using the vig today.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 03:53:17 PM
I definitely do not want a barney lynch.

Since people seem to be taking 2nd looks at alpha let me ask everyone again.  If I were to shoot Gil, would the rest of town be willing to lynch orange?

Orange:  What is your current opinion of Li and why?  I demand your claim.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 03:54:04 PM
*herp*

2nd looks at Orange.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Ryuki on October 25, 2011, 03:56:09 PM
I don't follow your reasoning for not placing your vote on the thing that struck out at you on a first re-read, and why you'd read the thread again after that. Can you explain? Why didn't you place a vote on someone you thought was scummy before rereading everything (again)?
As you wish. I read through the thread, and Krabs' behavior catches my eye, so I post about it. However, I wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything else that might be worse, so I checked again. This is my best explanation. Sorry if you were expecting something else.

@Merryweather: Currenty, Krabs. I stand by my logic from earlier, seeing as I have yet to think it is not sound. I'd want to keep an eye out for Orange, and others like Bardiche/Gilgamesh/Megaman that didn't get enough of my attention, but currently, this.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 25, 2011, 04:01:47 PM
As you wish. I read through the thread, and Krabs' behavior catches my eye, so I post about it. However, I wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything else that might be worse, so I checked again. This is my best explanation. Sorry if you were expecting something else.

... ლ(?ロ?ლ)

I'm reading Orenjii now and I think he's quick becoming a worse offender of the cheerleading charge, for all that it now sounds like I'm only trying to lynch cheerleaders. I, it's not like I'm envious of their supple legs and cute outfits, or anything.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 04:05:04 PM
Alpha 60 retrieves deadline data from cyberspace.

Alpha 60 loads program of a summoning circle.

I am going to call for a hero within 3 hours. 

Bardiche: Why are you satisfied with Orange? Explain your thought process.

Serela, canz we has votecounts plox?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 04:07:25 PM
SAKI.  WHO DO YOU REALLY WANT TO DIE.  "Quickly becoming" translates to "wait and see".

Would you be willing to vote Orange or not.  please don't beat around the bush.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 25, 2011, 04:08:39 PM
EBWOP: To clarify, I'm going ლ(?ロ?ლ) because that sounds surprisingly reasonable and I really can't make a stir here. I'm being an indecisive fuck right now and well, "everyone is scum" doesn't feel so strong this game. I still find Krabs to be bad, I still don't like the timing of your vote (let's call it that), and I see Orange is also part of the "^_^ Let's say who's suspicious but not vote!" group, except he spends a longer time doing it and then doesn't vote except jump on the Barney wagon.

In fact he blatantly says Li looks worst at some point in time but doesn't deign to vote in the slightest. Yeah I can get on board with mandarin juice for the night and a mandarin lynch in the day.

Similarly dislike Gilgamesh but more for being useless, and I'm sure I don't want him in LYLO.

Do like Duffman for making general sense and posting nothing that I find scummy. Like Li as well, for making general sense and not striking me as scummy either.

SAKI.  WHO DO YOU REALLY WANT TO DIE.  "Quickly becoming" translates to "wait and see".

Would you be willing to vote Orange or not.  please don't beat around the bush.
Cut by this. Does this post answer your question?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 04:16:48 PM
What part of shooting Gilgamesh today will just be removing a bad player did you miss?  Not shooting or condoning this idea today.

If anything DuffBeer is your best choice since the manpower to lynch him isn't here and Barney said it straight. What about his vig?

You never got back to me on my other suggestion. What about it?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 04:18:11 PM
Yes.  Except I was expecting a vote considering you don't want deadline chaos and your post is strong enough to place one down.

Also I'm currently exploring Gilamesh's reason for voting Bardiche.  I may have given it too little credit.

Krabs I missed your question earlier:  I am currently annoyed at Gil for weak votes on Duff and Krabs based on "lead by emotion" and "backing down from pressure" which doesn't really tell why they are scum.  I don't particularly think Gil has thought about why each could be town.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 04:19:35 PM
DuffBeer is another good option. 

Let me reread him along with Bardiche.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 25, 2011, 04:31:07 PM
Didn't vote because votecounts are slow this game and I didn't know if anyone's at L-1. Don't want to accidentally quickhammer the Day away.

##Unvote
##Vote: Mandarin Orange


Should be L-3 or L-2 by my count.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kabuto on October 25, 2011, 04:34:23 PM
Out of all the questionable people today, Mandarin is a clear first choice for me, and has actually been the one who has been cheerleading the longest without a solid stance (other than an interesting quibble on Captain Li he never really pressed).  Votes Barney for having a case he can't 'follow' (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738259.html#msg738259), and drops his Li point completely, making him to most contentless person in the game next to Gilgamesh.  Even makes a Krabs post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738088.html#msg738088) to facilitate a possible switch to him, but goes to Barney instead since he had more numbers.  He's as scummy as can be.

If I were here earlier, I would not have understood the Barney case one bit; witholding a vote for the duration of one other vote doesn't seem like the obvious cheerleading people place it as (see Orange), and despite perhaps the shoddy rhetoric (e.g only scum!Krabs can do this and that), he does have a pretty original and well-thought out case on Krabs, as well as some side-opinions on Duff Beer and Alpha.  However, the last post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738401.html#msg738401) he made almost gave me liver cancer, since he's effectively voting Duff Beer for being 1) 'dumb' (when others including Merryweather had agreed with Duff Beer's cheerleading point, giving his reasons some validity which Barney did not address) and 2) pushing bandwagons for shady reasons, especially his, neither of which have been explained by him as worse than Krabs' over-defensiveness.  Leads me to suspect that he never really believed in the Krabs case at all. 

As for Duff Beer, I think his three points (which I don't necessarily agree with) redeemed himself partially and gave validity to his jump on Barney, which is far more than what Saki or Orange can say.  Willing to leave him for tomorrow and see how he contributes.  Mr. Krabs is also looking like a misguided townie for me; earnestly trying to hunt for scum in his own way for all the wrong reasons.  Deserves scrutiny for finding everyone that could be scummy scummy, whether it be by gut or logic, but I feel enough sincerity from him to not consider him today.  Li, I would have to reread..  I'm still not convinced regarding his Krabs vote, and his arbitrary clear of Orange (yes he's scummy for this and this but I still believe in him) feels weird but that should be left for tomorrow.

##Unvote
##Vote: Mandarin Orange

L-2, I think.

___

Barney, why do you think Duff Beer's case on you is dumb if some people (for example, initially Merryweather), have agreed with his cheerleading point?  Doesn't this give more validity to Beer's case than you seem to be acknowledging?  It affects the very foundation of your case.

Saki, why did you agree with Barney's opinions before proceeding to vote him?  And why did you change your vote from Krabs to Barney just because you saw no one agreeing with you?  Doesn't really make much sense, and seems quite wait-and see.

Quite opposed to Alphas premature claim, but what can I do?  I would want Gilga to be lynched for being a liability to town which could cause problems approaching LyLo.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 04:35:17 PM
Thoughts on Bardiche:  I liked his earlier content, and still do.  I like Bardiche is foolish to say that he will effectively place his vote on Barney.  I need an update of opinions from him desperately.

I don't see Gil's "Bardiche is on the safe wagons" when Bard had original reasoning for his Orange vote.  The barney hop isn't a safe wagon at all because people are getting shit for hopping unto it!

Rereading DuffBeer now.  (He needs to update opinions too)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Ryuki on October 25, 2011, 04:57:02 PM
As for Duff Beer, I think his three points (which I don't necessarily agree with) redeemed himself partially and gave validity to his jump on Barney, which is far more than what Saki or Orange can say.
Barney, why do you think Duff Beer's case on you is dumb if some people (for example, initially Merryweather), have agreed with his cheerleading point?  Doesn't this give more validity to Beer's case than you seem to be acknowledging?  It affects the very foundation of your case.
For reference:
Why Duff Beer dislikes the purple dinosaur:
  • #96: Are you saying that the reasoning was invalid? Especially when, in the very next paragraph, you yourself say that you dislike Alpha 60 for the exact same reasons.
  • #96: Random poke of Gilgamesh, doesn't ask for clarification, doesn't specify what part of Gilgamesh's post he doesn't understand. He just says "What the hell is Gilgamesh doing" and leaves it at that. We don't even know what he really thinks of Gilgamesh.
  • #96: Makes a case on Mr. Krabs, but doesn't actually vote until #115, after 3 other people have already voted for him.
    The thing is that he drops everything to go after Mr. Krabs. He never mentioned Gilgamesh, Alpha 60, or myself again.
The part you seem to be referring to as a "cheerleading accusation" is the latter. I've already cast doubt on this accusation because, inbetween my initial accusation and my vote, no real change in opinion for the worse happened in regards to Krabs. Not only that, but Duff Beer bases his accusation off of the false fact that I had waited for 3 votes before posting, something that Merryweather did not do. And even if this was a valid point, he's parroting.

Do you think his "three points" are still valid? Two of them are simply wrong, and the other is barely an accusation (if you can't tell, this is the second accusation).
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 04:58:51 PM
After reading DuffBeer again, I kinda go "meh".   There's little content and I don't agree with most of it, but it's thought out and not looking scummy to me.

The claim is premature because I bungled my role earlier.  I wanted to get fancy when there was no super huge need for it. 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 05:11:38 PM
So yes.

Most likely will shoot Orange or Gil.  ASKING BOTH TO CLAIM AGAIN.

Waiting on Megaman, Bo peep, Bardiche, DuffBeer.

(Also would like some MANLY MAN guidance from Duffman)

Serela VOTECOUNTS!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 06:00:24 PM
Only meh to DuffBeer making the same fuck up twice?

I am not playing about you not shooting Gilgamesh today. No one has any links or anything to him besides "boom you're terribad, next."  Not a thing will come out of it.
People have made links to the Beer that can be analyzed from earlier.

I could live with shooting the orange but then it will be mass motherfucking chaos to get a lynch.

Really it comes down to what you want to do then.  I just would ask for a claim preferably full before anything happens. 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 06:49:05 PM
You don't even need more words right now. Just claim right now, then add :words: in another post Gilgamesh and Orange. 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Skull on October 25, 2011, 06:56:31 PM
@Alpha 60: Does this mean you are refusing to acknowledge the fact that he is over eager in getting an extra kill?

Hm...
Alright then, this may end up a boon for me instead live or die.
As of the moment I know of three role names without the roles. (Excluding myself)
The only two I'm willing to reveal is Werewolf, and Mime.
Should it be asked for, I shall reveal the 3rd, however for now I will refrain from it.

Every Night, I can learn the real identity of who is playing _____.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 07:25:46 PM
Fascinating.

Given the nature of this claim I don't think he's lying and I swear to God if you shoot him today, Heaven help you.

DuffBeer looks more and more like "Oh this lynch isn't working out bail! Excuse excuse.
And holy hell someone did make a connection to Gilgamesh:
Quote
#96: Random poke of Gilgamesh, doesn't ask for clarification, doesn't specify what part of Gilgamesh's post he doesn't understand. He just says "What the hell is Gilgamesh doing" and leaves it at that. We don't even know what he really thinks of Gilgamesh.[/color]

Point of this isss?
Oh I know. You are calling Barney out on attack what's about to flip without actually commenting on it yourself.
No why would that be?  Don't want to associate with flipped townies (notice I'm incorporating my town read on Gilgamesh here)?
Coupled with you making the same mistake twice like Barney has pointed out.
Insert ask for claim and vig shot here.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 07:27:47 PM
Gil, I sense it, but it could be he wants you dead because he thinks it really would be better for town.

If you want to know what pings me it's Saki's "I don't want Gil in Lylo" which sounds like "Alpha shoot him please." 

Also I will not shoot you Gil.  I am called neither of those things (my actual identity name is a little strange, also an alliteration), but that looks like a townie claim to me.  Also, did you know the three role names to start with or did you acquire them through D1?

Would anyone be willing to claim the werewolf?

I am not opposed to a DuffBeer shot, but I think it's a crapshoot whether he is town/scum.  Looking at his points for the nth time, I can reconcile that they could be interpreted to spin the way Barney wrote his posts and the timing of the posts as scummy only.

So...  I guess I'll ask DuffBeer to claim as well. 
I wait another 2 hours before shooting.  I am hoping that afterwards this town will lynch orange because otherwise I would have really really wanted to shoot orange instead.  Luckily I think that's the way things are going.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 07:33:53 PM
Merryweather.  I just read your cut, and I'm kinda surprised.  I hadn't yet revealed my DAY VIG role yet and I doubt DuffBeer knew about it.

Why would you accuse DuffBeer of attacking Barney over Gilgamesh when he had no knowledge that Gilgamesh would possibly flip today?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 07:41:27 PM
It's not that you had a vig thing going on, it's that with the way Gil was playing it wasn't a stretch he would get hammered mercilessly (hmmm) and eventually lynched for it.
As scum he'd want to stay as far away as possible from interactions with a townie flip.

And I will say if Serela didn't tell you in your role that your vig resets the votecount after you fire, I will be slightly annoyed if they are and we can't get the Orange. 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kitten4u on October 25, 2011, 07:51:39 PM
>V-V-V-Votecount! SERELAAAAAAAAAAA edition

Bo Peep (0)
Mandarin Orange (5): Duffman, Alpha60, Merryweather, Saki Morimi, Kanji Watanabe
Captain Li Shang (1): Mr.Krabs
Duff Beer (1): Barney
Kanji Watanabe (0)
Alpha 60 (0):
Saki Morimi (0)
Merryweather (0):
Mr.Krabs (1): Captain Li Shang
Barney (4): Bo Peep, Duff Beer, Megaman.EXE, Mandarin Orange
Duffman (0):
Gilgamesh (0):
Megaman.EXE (0):
Bardiche (1): Gilgamesh

Not Voting: Bardiche

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Mandarin Orange is at L-3.  Barney is at L-4.

6~ hours left in the day. No Majority means No Lynch.
Link to Countdown for D1 Deadline (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&month=10&day=25&year=2011&hour=22&min=&sec=&p0=745)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 25, 2011, 07:56:53 PM
I disagree with Merryweather, there is literally nothing you can stick on Gilgamesh other than "you're useless" and so he wasn't in any danger of getting lynched. We've never lynched anyone for being useless air, why assume we'd start now?


Don't go twisting my words Alpha.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 25, 2011, 08:01:21 PM
Quote
Saki, why did you agree with Barney's opinions before proceeding to vote him?

"Nice opinions, where's the vote?" isn't "Your opinions are amazing and I agree with them", it's a sarcastic "Go vote and put your money where your mouth is rather than produce reads".

Quote
And why did you change your vote from Krabs to Barney just because you saw no one agreeing with you?

:V I like my vote where it has any use. Krabs' business is literally something where you can either disagree or agree, it's not an open slam-and-shut scumcase because you can argue that he's just noobish and derpy rather than actively scummy.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 25, 2011, 08:02:36 PM
EBWOP: Note that I still err on the scummy side of that argument, but am quite confident that if he's scum, more will arise to prove that point, and in the mean time there's no problem with lynching others who appear equally or more scummy.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 08:14:14 PM
I kinda wish there were more people here.  This computer isn't boring holes into the souls of orange or Duffbeer.  nope not at all.

Krabs and Gil.  If your vote wasn't on Li and Bardiche respectively, who would you choose to lynch:  Barney or Orange. 

I'm shooting in around an hour or so.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Serela on October 25, 2011, 08:20:50 PM
Quote
[16:07] <Serela> oh I was making a votecount and I hit preview
[16:07] <Serela> and there one is
[16:07] <Serela> and I'm like "what D:"
Serela has school and has to sleep sometimes, and so can't guarantee any votecounts from self between 10pm and 4pm EST on weekdays. Sorry! :C In other news be grateful that K4U gave you one! :3

Votecount will not be reset after a vig if there is 24 hours or less left in the day.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Ryuki on October 25, 2011, 08:30:25 PM
Nice.

@Alpha: Krabs said he'd have lynched me if not for Merry's bitchslaps (read: L-1). I'd like to see an update on his stance, though.

I'll be gone in an hour or two. I would obviously want to see Duff Beer's claim before he gets shot, though, and something makes me doubt he'll be posting in the next hour.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 08:35:31 PM

@Alpha: Krabs said he'd have lynched me if not for Merry's bitchslaps (read: L-1). I'd like to see an update on his stance, though.

I'll be gone in an hour or two. I would obviously want to see Duff Beer's claim before he gets shot, though, and something makes me doubt he'll be posting in the next hour.

Understood, I have the same concerns :/

NO ONE SAW ANYTHING.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Den-O on October 25, 2011, 08:39:18 PM
Apologies for not being active, but I have been spending my time preparing for an important assignment for class. I shall be around in over two hours though.

##Standby Mode
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 08:41:30 PM
Considering neither Orange nor Duffbeer are showing up, I'm considering shooting Orange.  Would everyone on the orange wagon be amenable to voting for Duffbeer?

I just don't want barney to become the default lynch.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Ryuki on October 25, 2011, 09:12:24 PM
Since neither of them are showing up, how is Orange kill / Beer lynch a better idea? Asking for everyone on the Orange wagon to vote Beer is terrible and most likely won't work.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 09:25:32 PM
Because I am more certain Orange is scum and everybody on Orange has expressed suspicion of DuffBeer as well (besides Saki I think).

However, with the activity levels this low with little time left, I guess it's not worth the risk for the smallish reward.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Sasword on October 25, 2011, 09:28:53 PM
Not lynching Barney?  That's okay by me, as his case did make sense, but I didn't see it from his point of view, and therefore seemed scummy as possibly going for what I saw as a mislynch.  ##Unvote.  Furthermore, I was not exactly thrilled with the company I was joining, as some of the occupants had reasons that I didn't agree with, chiefly among them Vote: Duffbeer for reasons previously stated.

My power is to ... create quicktopics, of which none have been created yet, so town loses nothing by my lynch.

They might also gain some understandibility, seeing as Alpha (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738317.html#msg738317) and Kanji (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738468.html#msg738468) seem to misrep me by saying I thought Krabs scummy.  I'm saying, DESPITE his play, and case against Li which I didn't agree with, Krabs seemed townie to me, mostly on a gut feel, but also because when I re-read him he was consistent to himself, and was actually doing scumhunting in his own way.

@Merry: My suspicion of Li is still there, but it was early game when he raised my heckles, and so far I haven't seen a lot to bang him over for.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Sasword on October 25, 2011, 09:29:54 PM
Also, cut by Barney and Alpha.
Going to work, won't be back for crunch time.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Skull on October 25, 2011, 09:30:29 PM
On another note, Who should I target to find their true Identity. >_>
Considering the fact that people apparently don't care about hiding their identities/easily figured out, My role feels pretty vanilla.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Faiz on October 25, 2011, 09:56:05 PM
Do I have to claim? I'd prefer not to have to until at least D2. Or actually, Barney, are you here right now?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 10:00:28 PM
Orange, I'm not misrepping you.

You posed a theory of how Krabs could be scum.  You posted something krabs wrote and said that it could be used to imply town!Krabs.  You did not give an inkling as to which was the correct theory or if you thought krabs was scum or town until AFTER duffman called you a cheerleader since your theory of Scum!krabs was better explained and looked a lot more serious than the quote you inserted supposedly detailing a town!krabs theory.   You later claimed you thought Krabs was town all along in your rebuttal to duffman. 

Otherwise I don't really buy your post.  Your "Li is still suspicious but I can't find anything now" whilst taking off to work irks me. 

@Gil, someone you think is scum?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 10:01:00 PM
Well I'm about to shoot you in the face, so yes.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 25, 2011, 10:01:39 PM
Duffman doesn't have time to get caught up before saying not to shoot Duff Beer.
LOOK AT ALL THOSE ORANGE VOTES. DUFFMAN IS SO PUMPED!

For second kills Duffman suggests Bardiche, Captain Li or Kanji Watanabe who Duffman hates for even less discernable reason then Orange.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 10:02:49 PM
Start by saying why you posted Eat: Gold than asked the mod why it did nothing.

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 10:04:05 PM
why not Duffbeer?

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 25, 2011, 10:05:12 PM
Stupid backspace buttons. Duffman is not good with computers.
Yeees Alpha is a vig. JUST LIKE DUFFMAN PLANNED. Did someone ask Serela that clarification about vigs or did Serela confirm his role on his own? :V

Because reasons. Duffman has confidence in his beer.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Faiz on October 25, 2011, 10:06:03 PM
I am the Druggy Donna, I have pills of every color. I know for a fact about what certain colors do when eaten. I had no idea what the other colors would do so I tried eating the Gold one, since gold is the color of duff, as a test run. I asked why gold did nothing because I didn't realize that I had received a result. These accounts do that thing where they don't put up that obnoxious popup when you have a new PM.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 25, 2011, 10:07:04 PM
Duffman not everyone has your gut, can you try to explain that better?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Skull on October 25, 2011, 10:07:32 PM
EBWOP: I had forgotten to answer this.
@Alpha : I had the rolenames from the start.

As for who I would go for of the two choices...Eh...
I'd would prefer Orange...his claim seems plausible...but the way he stated it...

@Duffman: Is there another you are confident in?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 10:08:12 PM
Druggy Donna

WHO HERE HAS ALLITERATIVE NAMES!

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: OOO on October 25, 2011, 10:08:41 PM
@Gilgamesh: Someone difficult to figure who they are. I'd like to suggest using your ability for confirmation that your role is what you say it is, because that's a pretty common role in anon games and the side inclusion of role names is... interesting. I feel better about your claim what with you asking for targets, but yeah.

I'm still not sure what the christ is going on or why orange is precisely the leading wagon at the moment.

Oh also, I have an alliterative name as well. Getting that out there.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Serela on October 25, 2011, 10:09:45 PM
Did someone ask Serela that clarification about vigs or did Serela confirm his role on his own? :V
It was a question asked by several people whether the votecount would or would not reset upon someone being vigged. I answered.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 10:10:37 PM
Now is the time to speak up.

I believe Duffbeer.

Combined with Gil's Werewolf, Mime. 

Gil give your own now, plus the other you kept secret.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 10:11:23 PM
I am Wordy Wanda.

Post the name you have Megaman. I think it's an even better idea now.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Skull on October 25, 2011, 10:11:55 PM
Uh...My name is also...>_>
@Megaman.EXE : I just read it over and rather then role names its just that there is a werewolf, mime and a _____,
Among the Players.

....Oh fine!

My name is Gossip Gabby

The third is Triplets.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 25, 2011, 10:12:26 PM
WHO HERE HAS ALLITERATIVE NAMES!

Is it important to know? :V Mine is alliterative as well.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Faiz on October 25, 2011, 10:13:55 PM
Actually, there's something that's kind of been bugging me all game.
Hey, Alpha 60. Do you feel like posting "I am aligned with town" in topic?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 25, 2011, 10:15:40 PM
If it was gut I wouldn't say reasons.  :derp: It's hard to get caught up when everyone is so chatty. Can we not last minute claim everything, guys, please?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 10:17:09 PM
Orange does not impress me with his dying words or his claim. Just kinda tacked on there. His nonexistent nonupdated suspicion of Li is slightly ridiculous.

DuffBeer is aghwaghal. What is our 2 nd kill today going to be?

I wish Manduff would have suggested 2nd kills earlier because we could have totally rocked Kanji and I will bet my wand he won't be back and even so 2 hours to read a claim is urgh. I'm holding this all against him.

I swear I broke that standby button off of Bardiche because he's cruisin' for a bruisin'.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Serela on October 25, 2011, 10:17:24 PM
>V-V-V-Votecount! Only A Few More Hours edition

Bo Peep (0)
Mandarin Orange (5): Duffman, Alpha60, Merryweather, Saki Morimi, Kanji Watanabe
Captain Li Shang (1): Mr.Krabs
Duff Beer (2): Barney, Mandarin Orange
Kanji Watanabe (0)
Alpha 60 (0):
Saki Morimi (0)
Merryweather (0):
Mr.Krabs (1): Captain Li Shang
Barney (3): Bo Peep, Duff Beer, Megaman.EXE
Duffman (0):
Gilgamesh (0):
Megaman.EXE (0):
Bardiche (1): Gilgamesh

Not Voting: Bardiche

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Mandarin Orange is at L-3.

4~ hours left in the day. No Majority means No Lynch.
Link to Countdown for D1 Deadline (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&month=10&day=25&year=2011&hour=22&min=&sec=&p0=745)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 10:18:00 PM
"I am aligned with town"
I am aligned with town

What's this about?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: OOO on October 25, 2011, 10:20:08 PM
That said, I'm not sure why that matters at all, it just confirms his name matches a style that is presumably present for all roles, not possibly exclusive to town roles.

Serela isn't that bad of a mod, right?

@Cut: Oh.

Holy shit, I see. That's interesting.

I would prefer not to say my name because it'd be a bit closer to claiming than I would like. It's not like if you were Killing Kendra, but too close for my tastes.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Faiz on October 25, 2011, 10:23:40 PM
On second thoughts, no, it's just me being insane I think.
I would still like Barney to appear though.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 10:29:38 PM
Actually. You opened eggs what were the results?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 25, 2011, 10:36:41 PM
Duffman hopes his waifu isn't holding that against Duffman. Duffman didn't realize Alpha wanted to kill anyone until now. Duffman suggested as quickly as possible. Actually I wouldn't have brought up Kanji at all since no one was interested in him except vigs have magical ignore everyone and shoot powers. I read now that you said something similar. I wasn't here right after I posted my BEAUTIFUL SONG, that was me running out the door.

So I just did a reread and am I the only one that finds it suspicious Bardiche activated something immediately after Alpha 60 claimed vig that looks like either a roleblock or a bulletproof? Megaman is getting Duffman thumbs up feelings right now.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 10:38:07 PM
Any reason why Duffbeer?

As for new vig targets... I'm not sure.  a few people have promised to post.

You passed your colors to Duffman and Bopeep.

I am guessing you haven't learned anything from them.  I also have guesses for what your gold pill did.

I think both Duffman and Bopeep are town reads... so I'm dissipointed in your choices.

Oh.  Lettme take a look at that.

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 10:40:11 PM
Not holding it against you just that we could have had Voice!
Kanji is the one I have a bone to pick with.

Bardiche did WTF now?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 10:40:27 PM
Holy shit.  That actually looks weird.  The standby command may retract that.

Bardiche Claim. 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Skull on October 25, 2011, 10:41:29 PM
Is it bad for me to have dismissed those as flavor since I actually have watched the show?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 10:42:10 PM
##Sealing Form, set up

Personally, I would give both of them one chance to convince you to not shoot them. However, the choice goes down to you. And I would do it before the end of the day rush starts, as adding more chaos would not be advisable for town. I would shoot Gil, as even as worthless as he is, he still can provide some connections.
This?  Explain now.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 10:42:32 PM
What show?  with triplets werewolfs and mimes?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 25, 2011, 10:44:46 PM
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha magic devices, like Bardiche "set up" their forms. He has various forms, one among which is Zamber Form, etcetera. I also dismissed it as flavour, for what it's worth.

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 25, 2011, 10:47:11 PM
I also think it's panic mongering by this point. If Bardiche roleblocked Alpha 60, we'll find out when he tries to shoot. If Bardiche made himself bulletproof, then uh, really, that's a nulltell, and I can't see WHY he would do that given the prevailing idea is NOT to shoot Bardiche.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 25, 2011, 10:49:36 PM
Also, wikia relevant to stuff here (http://nanoha.wikia.com/wiki/Bardiche). Scroll down to "Sealing Form".

My own role doesn't really intrinsically link my character to any part of the role's flavour Demanding he roleclaim seems a bit premature, honestly.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: OOO on October 25, 2011, 10:50:03 PM
I'm with Saki here, for what it's worth.

As far as I know, my actions aren't tailored to my character, so honestly it'd be weird if his were.

@Cut: oh saki saying what I said. Well.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 25, 2011, 10:53:49 PM
Admittedly it could be flavor. It's just.. very convenient timing. I would still like him to clarify if that did anything or not. Saki, the best reason I would think of is scum paranoia. Even more likely then town paranoia. Also I did receive a pill from Duff Beer. You would know if I'd eaten it, silly. Since she hasn't said the magic words I imagine Bo Peep hasn't eaten a pill either.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 10:54:34 PM
But Gil said there was a werewolf, mime, and a triplet in this game that do the same shit as what the Bardiche does right?

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 25, 2011, 10:54:49 PM
I have not yet fully processed the recent posts, but I want to say that I think using a dayvig on D1 without any flips is foolhardy and should not be attempted.

Worried about the orange's claim because my role has a method of creating quicktopics too. I don't think scum would fakeclaim a role they can't prove, but I'm still naturally wary of his claim.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Skull on October 25, 2011, 11:01:25 PM
I state once again, who shall I target for Player Identity?

Possibility Orange or Li is the mime, due to both having similiar roles, and that a Mime usually stands for copying.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 25, 2011, 11:03:36 PM
PLEASE SEND ALL YOUR QUICKTOPICS TO DUFFMAN
Duffman is impulsive! Duffman would use a dayvig in the confirmation phase! OH YEAH! It's a little late now, he either uses it or risks never getting to shoot, WIFOM aside.

Gil didn't say anything about the three role's powers. It sounds like all Gil knows is their role names.

Target someone you don't know the identity of and that no one else would be able to guess easily. Duffman would volunteer but DUFFMAN IS TOO BUFF TO BE HIDDEN.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 11:04:38 PM
I guess I won't use my vig :/

I thought I had to use it today because I thought I was gonna be NKed because people thought I was looking townie and I had crumbed that I had a role.  I thought this had like.. half VTs... but that doesn't seem to be the case.

About the pills, DuffBeer, do you want Bo Peep and Duffman to eat them?
My guess is that they trigger anyway during the night anyway.   

I'm hoping we can lynch Orange.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Skull on October 25, 2011, 11:08:46 PM
I state Once more to clarify
All I know is that there is Triplets, Werewolf, and a Mime.

As of the moment I believe Bo Peep and the Duffs to the triplets,
I had originally assumed MerryWeather to be triplets, since she had constantly used 3 colors, as well as her opening post.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 11:09:52 PM
If we aren't shooting beer today yeah let's just kill the fruit.

Gilgamesh don't make me punch you for role speculation. Enough has already been claimed today thanks.

Target whoever. It's up to who you want, maybe Kanji.

Shut the fuck up.  My sisters don't enjoy that.   
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 25, 2011, 11:12:44 PM
Gil: Player Identity is pretty weak, and you should always decide your own targets with powers like those. I'm pretty sure I know who Krabs and Duffman are, and Li seems not too obscure. Bardiche, I am 100% on. And I'm sure everyone knows who I am. Just hit someone you feel you need to know about.

I see this has Serela levels of crazy again.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 11:14:28 PM
Saki that's not what Gil is saying Lol.

Also to be sure, Merry your name is alliterative right?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 11:16:15 PM
Alliterative. Not that it really matters.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 25, 2011, 11:17:00 PM
So, time to get back on track.

Also at this point orange has to die.

Where are the votes coming from.  Li considering you are ccing orange, I'd think you'd be willing to join.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 11:19:15 PM
Beer and Megaman should be able to fill in the remaining votes if Li does too.

*cough*
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Faiz on October 25, 2011, 11:25:08 PM
##Eat Cyan
About the pills, DuffBeer, do you want Bo Peep and Duffman to eat them?
Well, that's the plan.
But I don't really care if they just don't touch them or throw them to other people.

I would still like to see Barney lynched but I will be around to switch if required.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Serela on October 25, 2011, 11:28:24 PM
Two and a half hours left.

No change in votes.

Bo Peep (0)
Mandarin Orange (5): Duffman, Alpha60, Merryweather, Saki Morimi, Kanji Watanabe
Captain Li Shang (1): Mr.Krabs
Duff Beer (2): Barney, Mandarin Orange
Kanji Watanabe (0)
Alpha 60 (0):
Saki Morimi (0)
Merryweather (0):
Mr.Krabs (1): Captain Li Shang
Barney (3): Bo Peep, Duff Beer, Megaman.EXE
Duffman (0):
Gilgamesh (0):
Megaman.EXE (0):
Bardiche (1): Gilgamesh

Not Voting: Bardiche

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Mandarin Orange is at L-3.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 25, 2011, 11:33:00 PM
Duffman can't take any pills today. They don't go with his ste.. with.. Duffman's completely legal training regiment.
Duffman thinks people should stop leaking their rolenames because seriously guys. :/
Does that mean Alpha doesn't want to righteously destroy Kanji on a whim? No? Oh well. DUFFMAN CAN'T VOTE ANY HARDER THEN HE RIGHTEOUSLY IS!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 25, 2011, 11:33:35 PM
I am not any of the roles that Gilgamesh mentioned.

I still dislike Krabs, but he does not appear to be a viable lynch target at this stage of battle. However, his suspicions (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.150.html) seem everywhere and make it look like he has a chance to get on board with whatever potential wagon he wants. Most of them are the common targets of the day, except for his "slam dunk" case on me which I personally don't think even makes any sense and am interpreting as an attempt to discredit my vote on him. I think he is keeping his vote down on me to make it look like he is attempting original scumhunting, even though his stronger suspicions lie on other players.

I had initially let my guard down around the orange because paranoia made me think he was a voteless role, given how clear his opinions were (should hopefully be understandable that that was what I was getting at from the first paragraph of this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738240.html#msg738240)). Now that it was shown he actually can vote, I would require him to explain why he would spend so much time idling. Also, his softclaim has me worried that he is some form of scum neighborizer because of my own role, but that might just be worthless speculation on my part. I believe that the orange's opinions themselves make sense, but his lack of vote until he hopped on the Barney wagon is inexcusable. It appears that he ditched his reads just to leap on the growing wagon, a behavior I find suspect, so I am fully willing to help him meet his fate.

##Unvote
##Vote Mandarin Orange (L-2)

---

As for the other players, Gilgamesh looks like an ally me and I wouldn't want him vigged. It seems apparent that he's just a townie having fun with his flavor, not scum using roleplay to mask his intent. I'd rather not see him slain so soon. However, I would prefer he not claim his demask results in-thread if possible, for in my personal opinion that would be against the spirit of an anonymous game.

Bardiche and Duff Beer are a lot more murky, though I think Duff Beer's role looks town on principle in the same vein Gilgamesh's does. I dislike this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738341.html#msg738341) of Bardiche's, as not only was he encouraging Alpha to shoot without any flips, but it looked like he was trying to steer the vig toward the less scummy player who are more likely to be weaker townsmen. A player being unsuited for the rage of war does not mean they are an enemy, and I believe that a vigilante shot should ordinarily be used on the scummiest player as a lynch would be used.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 25, 2011, 11:35:43 PM
Still okay with a Mandarin lynch, not sure what else there is to say. These past few hours have been :psyduck:.

Quote
Does that mean Alpha doesn't want to righteously destroy Kanji on a whim?

Why, exactly, would you want to talk the vig into shooting someone on a whim? Do you consider Kanji a genuine suspect for scum, or what?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 11:41:16 PM
We are not turning day 1 into mass claim. I will denogginize the next person to claim anything of any sort unless your head was on the chopping block and you were asked to.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 25, 2011, 11:47:18 PM
Yes.

I have honestly hated Kanji since his first post. Kanji has posted four times during this entire Day 1. One is the questionaire. Second is a listing of suspicions on at least three people I consider town, and retaining a vote because Duff Beer did some scummy shit so let's lynch him. Third is explaining why people voting Alpha was a-okay. Recall where his vote is not at that point. His case on Mandarin is only after he's gone so high as to be L-2. Honestly if I had your vig I would shoot him myself.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 25, 2011, 11:49:09 PM
^ Listen to this man.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: OOO on October 25, 2011, 11:49:53 PM
Here and willing to switch vote to Orange when lynch time. Or well, I'm going out quickly at the moment but I'll be back in short order. Feel better about Barney after his latest posts, and I'm not willing to lynch Beer at the moment, for what it matters.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Den-O on October 25, 2011, 11:50:56 PM
I have returned. Parsing posts right now but all my actions are fake.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Decade on October 25, 2011, 11:52:13 PM
##Unvote Barney
##Vote: Mandarin Orange

L-2 I believe?

I'm having trouble catching up and keeping track of everything that's been going on since I left.
I don't think anyone else needs to claim for now.

Alpha has already run the risk of the having scum attempt to neutralize his role. I think he should shoot today, since the other option would be to not shoot at all. Ideally, he would have kept quiet in the first place.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 25, 2011, 11:53:13 PM
L-1, actually. I was the one responsible for the L-2 vote.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 25, 2011, 11:56:40 PM
If Alpha is indeed to shoot somebody, hm... Though I am naturally inclined to suggest Mr. Krabs, I think Bardiche would be easier for the town to agree upon, and I would support either kill.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Serela on October 25, 2011, 11:59:51 PM
>V-V-V-Votecount!

Bo Peep (0)
Mandarin Orange (7): Duffman, Alpha60, Merryweather, Saki Morimi, Kanji Watanabe, Captain Li Shang, Bo Peep
Captain Li Shang (1): Mr.Krabs
Duff Beer (2): Barney, Mandarin Orange
Kanji Watanabe (0)
Alpha 60 (0):
Saki Morimi (0)
Merryweather (0):
Mr.Krabs (0):
Barney (2): Duff Beer, Megaman.EXE
Duffman (0):
Gilgamesh (0):
Megaman.EXE (0):
Bardiche (1): Gilgamesh

Not Voting: Bardiche

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Mandarin Orange is at L-1. Two hours left.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: DiEnd on October 26, 2011, 12:05:17 AM
Two and a half hours left
:|
One hour left.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 26, 2011, 12:06:59 AM
Okay shooting today then.   :colonveeplusalpha: 

I understand Duffman.  I get the oh-so-lovable chitose-vibe from kanji since the orange vote post... but then again he is voting someone I am mostly sold on as scum, so :/

Needs a re-read.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 26, 2011, 12:09:57 AM
It's 1 hour 50 min left.

Jesus. 1 hour scared me.

I really want everybody to put something on the table.  re-reading Kanji now.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Serela on October 26, 2011, 12:10:20 AM
Mod is nearsighted and thought the 8 on his clock was a 9. 1 hour and 51 minutes left.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 26, 2011, 12:13:52 AM
Duffman would put something on the table but he doesn't want the other men to feel insignifigant.

Bad feelings on him plus his position pushing the wagon is exactly why I'm antsy about it now. I will not hold it against you if you disagree. It's the life of many townies you are holding in your digitized grip. Just ain with the power of DUFF! That is how to ascend to the Duffland.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Den-O on October 26, 2011, 12:14:25 AM
I just realized something. If you kill someone not voting Orange, then the majority shall lower and Orange shall instantly be lynched.

cut by Duffman
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 26, 2011, 12:27:12 AM
Kanji has been an early town read for me, and I'm not seeing any reason to shoot him as is. Elaborate?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 26, 2011, 12:32:27 AM
Bardiche, I'm kind of waiting on you.

Re-read Kanji, and while I feel there's no passion in his words I'm not convinced he's scum coasting. 

Also Duffbeer, you seem to have like.. a trillion pills.  Could you pass me one, I'd like to eat it.  or at least I'd like to know I actually recieved something.  I could always pass it back if you want.

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 26, 2011, 12:39:22 AM
Bardiche, if you have nothing to say in the next 1/2 hour I will summon town's best hero to dissemble your component parts.

Btw I feel like a vig would be deserved on Saki too... and Krabs.  Contentless Krabs not talking at the moment makes me upset.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 26, 2011, 12:40:28 AM
Kanji Saki has been an early town read for me, and I'm not seeing any reason to shoot him her as is. Elaborate?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Faiz on October 26, 2011, 12:43:14 AM
So, should I hammer Mandarin Orange? Since it doesn't look like any other lynch is happening.

Also Duffbeer, you seem to have like.. a trillion pills.
Close, but I think I have a few more than that.
##Pass Brown Alpha 60
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Den-O on October 26, 2011, 12:44:08 AM
Like Ms. Bo Peep, I am having a hard time parsing everything in such a short time. Can I see an abridged version of the why Orange is scum case? I unvoted him because I saw him more as a neutralish than scum. Also, Gilgamesh's claim is someone valid.

cut by someone asking to hammer, which is what is going through my mind as well
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 26, 2011, 12:47:42 AM
Saki needs a re-read, but I've disliked him for what I think has been cherry picking easy arguments.

For example, "Krabs, everything you are doing is wrong, ##vote: Krabs" 
"Barney cheerleading, ##vote: Barney"

Except Saki has townie passion within his posts.  And yet I keep wondering if it's just all faked.  I just get an uncomfortable feeling.
I don't really expect you to understand  since Saki has supported your opinions.   
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 26, 2011, 12:49:39 AM
##Unvote

I'd like to vig first.

Duffman/bo peep did the mod give you a message when the pill was passed.  I haven't gotten it yet
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kabuto on October 26, 2011, 12:51:19 AM
Only defence against Duffman's accusations is that I was simply not here at the right time, and that Duff Beer's bandwagon jump is a jump, not 'scummy shit' at the point in the day.  Bureaucracy and all.

I would rather not claim today, especially if it doesn't facilitate Alpha's decision-making.  I don't really have much of an opinion on who you should vig after this influx of roleclaims; it's entirely in your own hands.

On a quick skim through today's other content, I am not pleased with Li's jump to Orange at all.  Will talk about that more tomorrow.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 26, 2011, 12:53:06 AM
Reading quickly almost made me report Li's post for editing. I giggled. Duffman already has his waifu and Saki looks too young for beer. Duffman has no feelings on Saki either way. Duffman did elaborate slightly on his feelings about Kanji. Alpha, no one will deny that Mr. Krabs deserves a vig. Sadly what he deserves is not related to the color of his role.

Duffman was told when the offer of tantalizing pills was made.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 26, 2011, 12:54:59 AM
k I just got the pill.

Will vig shortly.

O my god this is hard.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 26, 2011, 12:58:26 AM
If I have Townie passion in my posts it's because I want to lynch the goddamn scums, Alpha 60.

Duffman you have no feelings on me?! I knew it, you whore.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: W on October 26, 2011, 12:59:42 AM
Duffman's heart was already broken last time you two-timer. Duffman saw you with Keine after Duffman was carelessly thrown away like trash!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 26, 2011, 01:03:26 AM
Don't make me beat you around with this raging fist of mine again, you two-timing cheater.

Also, "Krabs everything you are doing is wrong, VOTE" is a filthy misrepresentation. :| When I voted him at first I plainly demanded he explain his reasons rather than sit back and engage in what I found to be anti-Town behaviour. Not necessarily scummy, but his foolhardiness in persisting in it slowly edged me over to think that there was something there. When he had the audacity to comback saying "I know what I did would get me voted BUT TOWNIES DON'T ALWAYS CARE ABOUT HOW THEY LOOK!" to use Duffman's words as a way of clearing himself, yes, I admit to some tunnel vision but it was scummy shit, okay?

And I pretty much consider Duffman to be oozing TOWNIE SPIRIT like nothing else.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 26, 2011, 01:07:22 AM
You know what.

First I'll

##Eat: Brown

Also I lied about the vig immunity thing.  no one has it.  I forgot why I even lied about that. 


I'm still thinking.

Also good to know you're fiesty Saki
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Serela on October 26, 2011, 01:11:34 AM
50 minutes left. Mandarin Orange is at L-2.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 26, 2011, 01:15:52 AM
I have to go.  And I ain't vigging.  I'll accept the night Wifom.

The pill did nothing.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 26, 2011, 01:16:15 AM
##Vote: Orange
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 26, 2011, 01:16:36 AM
I have to go because of an emergancy btw.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Den-O on October 26, 2011, 01:21:10 AM
##Vote: Mandarin Orange
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Serela on October 26, 2011, 01:22:16 AM
hammer stfu
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Serela on October 26, 2011, 01:26:48 AM
GDI I LOST MY POST WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO ME BACKSPACE
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 1 Ongoing)
Post by: Serela on October 26, 2011, 01:33:14 AM
The villagers-turned-movie-characters converged on their chosen lynch.

They ate him, and it was good.

All went home with citrus on their breaths, but disappointment on their faces; for while the lynching had been delicious, their choice had not been one of the scum.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mandarin Orange, who was Bigamist Bethany, has been lynched.

Bigamist Bethany had the power to marry one person during each night, creating private quicktopics with them.

It is now Night 1. You have 24 hours to send in your night actions. The day will start slightly earlier then 24 hours for mod convenience if all actions are in by then.

Mandarin Orange (7): Duffman, Alpha60, Merryweather, Saki Morimi, Kanji Watanabe, Captain Li Shang, Bo Peep, Bardiche
Captain Li Shang (1): Mr.Krabs
Duff Beer (2): Barney, Mandarin Orange
Barney (2): Duff Beer, Megaman.EXE
Bardiche (1): Gilgamesh
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Serela on October 26, 2011, 11:10:43 PM
They awoke to find not one, but two deaths.

The first death was Bo Peep. Although as the disguise wore off, she was discovered to, ironically, be a werewolf... with her his werewolf vitality, he wasn't truly 100% dead, but still in a coma-like state and for all intents and purposes, dead; as he would soon be if the villagers didn't win the mafia game.

The second was less of a death, and more of a disappearance; Kanji Watanabe was nowhere to be found.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bo Peep, who was Kuddly Kevin, and Kanji Watanabe, who was Copper Calvin, have died during the night.

Kuddly Kevin was town and had the compulsively-targetted ability to, every night as his disguise wore off, use his werewolf strength and vitality to simultaneously protect and roleblock one target with forceful cuddling. He was also mod-confirmed-as-town partner with another player.

Copper Calvin was mafia and had the ability to target one person per night, and learn their rolename, rolepowers, and the identity of anyone they had a quicktopic with. He could also go on the factional kill, which as stated in the rules, may be done in addition to using his rolepower.

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is in about 72 hours. Day 2, start!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 26, 2011, 11:32:30 PM
Dude. Righteous impulse vigging is the only vigging.

Duff Beer. Duffman wants to know if your red pill has anything to do with Bo Peep's death. Duffman can't imagine Bo Peep being high on a normal priority list.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 26, 2011, 11:37:39 PM
Alpha 60, is your dayvig a night vig as well?

I'm just uh, wow. Duffman definitely Towniest read I have now.



Bardiche, why the quickhammer?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 26, 2011, 11:38:22 PM
##Vote: Bardiche

And I'll go reread in the mean time because now we have ~scum relations~ to work off of.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 26, 2011, 11:52:48 PM
I have like tons of theories.

Let me say that the brown pill doing nothing besides the mod saying it tasted bad was kinda odd.  I'm not quite sure why Dufman and Bo peep didn't ingest their pills and why Duffbeer kept eating fake pills whilst giving the red and blue bills to Bo peeo/Duff man which wre the two people he didn't like at the time.  Like why didn't you tell them to eat them earlier?

I did not have a night vig.  I kinda have a theory that the mime is bardiche and that bardiche copied my vig and used it during the night. 
I would also imagine that bo peep used her ability on me, although I didn't get any messages so maybe it doesn't extend into the day.

It's possible the red pill killed her and scum targetted me last night. 

I haven't any good ideas at this time as to who is scum, but I want DuffBeer's claim sometime today.  Originally I thought the pills were a cop-shot and a roleblock, whilst the gold one was a bullet proof pill.

Yesterday, if I was gonna vig anyone, it would have been Bardiche, but believe me, I was considering PRACTICALLY EVERYONE.  And my nerves got fried.  Then my cat started breathing weirdly (he has heart problems) and needed care.

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 26, 2011, 11:55:16 PM
Also, as far as I know, I still have a vig which I'm planning on using today.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: OOO on October 27, 2011, 12:04:16 AM
I don't think the brown pill was all that unexpected. A dud in a pile of effects is hardly unsurprising, if he doesn't know all of them.

Whats more worrying is why he gave you what would probably be an unknown, given I don't doubt theres probably a poison pill in there.

It'd help if we knew what that red pill's fate was, It's a shame the dead tell no tales. Duffman, do you know if you could ingest the pill at night?

Duffbeer, clearing some things up around now would be rather nice. Specifically, what pills DO you know, and what are their current fates?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 27, 2011, 12:08:11 AM
O I can help there!

You can ingest the pills at night. Possibly that happened.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 27, 2011, 12:08:45 AM
Hmm. That's an interesting theory on how mime's work. I've never seen one before but you think they can copy anyone at anytime?  You think the Mime can also not completely copy roles and use them in a different way than the original?  I'm confused?

Why do you think Bardiche is the Mime?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 27, 2011, 12:09:56 AM
Cuz He confirmed one of Gil's roles.

Bo peep was the werewolf.
You are possibly the triplet.
that leaves Bard = Mime.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 27, 2011, 12:11:09 AM
Also I won't be posting for at least a few hours, if not until tomorrow.

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Den-O on October 27, 2011, 12:41:39 AM
Well your theory is shattered because of one wrong assumption. I am the triplet. Also, my action failed, so I presume someone blocked me.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 27, 2011, 12:50:32 AM
Duffman wouldn't waste a possible power pill openly, silly. Duffman can neither confirm nor deny any atrocious rumors of eating his pill at night. Duffman wouldn't be surprised if the red pill was death. Why would Duff Beer tell someone he wanted to kill what the pill did anyways?

But Duffman thinks we're getting off track. Kanji was scum omg the shock. Since Kanji liked the Duff Beer wagon Duffman is loathe to head that way so far. Let's take a look at the end of the day as it stood.

Mandarin Orange (8): Duffman, Alpha60, Merryweather, Saki Morimi, Kanji Watanabe, Captain Li Shang, Bo Peep, Bardiche
Captain Li Shang (1): Mr.Krabs
Duff Beer (2): Barney, Mandarin Orange
Barney (2): Duff Beer, Megaman.EXE
Bardiche (1): Gilgamesh

Not sure how I feel about Barney disappearing when the counter-wagon picked up. Did he say he would be out? Duffman can't read very well right now.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 27, 2011, 12:53:42 AM
Riight.

Bardiche, I'm going to need some words from you here because as of know I'm seeing you as one of my suspects.

I will admit interactions with Kanji and Krabs make me no like him anymore:
Quote from: 78
Captain Li is also quite curious for specially going after Mr.Krabs for 'vote-parking' when he had already given a quite valid reason and a bit of token questioning (in comparison with everyone else) for voting Duff Beer.  How is announcing your intention to consider backing off if your suspect makes more reasonable statements scummy, exactly, if both townies and scum are capable of doing just that?  It's very metaphysical, like the sake before me.  Also, attacking him for not having an alternative at that point of time is strange since many others (such as me) did not have one either.  It all seems curiously selective.
Since he actively defends him, though here's the thing.  He makes a pass at Barney and Li at seperate times.
With Li in that thing above with Mr K.

If I were here earlier, I would not have understood the Barney case one bit; witholding a vote for the duration of one other vote doesn't seem like the obvious cheerleading people place it as (see Orange), and despite perhaps the shoddy rhetoric (e.g only scum!Krabs can do this and that), he does have a pretty original and well-thought out case on Krabs, as well as some side-opinions on Duff Beer and Alpha.  However, the last post he made almost gave me liver cancer, since he's effectively voting Duff Beer for being 1) 'dumb' (when others including Merryweather had agreed with Duff Beer's cheerleading point, giving his reasons some validity which Barney did not address) and 2) pushing bandwagons for shady reasons, especially his, neither of which have been explained by him as worse than Krabs' over-defensiveness.  Leads me to suspect that he never really believed in the Krabs case at all. 

[after he votes Orange]

Barney, why do you think Duff Beer's case on you is dumb if some people (for example, initially Merryweather), have agreed with his cheerleading point?  Doesn't this give more validity to Beer's case than you seem to be acknowledging?  It affects the very foundation of your case.
The interactions here just feel to strange for comfort.  He has a much better case and points on Barney here than he does on Orange yet he votes Orange over Barney.  My thoughts on this are that Barney was a potential lynch canidate at this time and he may have swung the wagon to Barney's favor with a vote on him.
>V-V-V-Votecount! SERELAAAAAAAAAAA edition
Mandarin Orange (5): Duffman, Alpha60, Merryweather, Saki Morimi, Kanji Watanabe
Barney (4): Bo Peep, Duff Beer, Megaman.EXE, Mandarin Orange
With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Mandarin Orange is at L-3.  Barney is at L-4.

6~ hours left in the day. No Majority means No Lynch.
Link to Countdown for D1 Deadline (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&month=10&day=25&year=2011&hour=22&min=&sec=&p0=745)
His vote park on Beer untill the end of the day while cheerleading on the Orange bandwagon do not do him any favors whatsoever.
Quote
Let's see... the Orange? I don't know what to think. The fact he didn't vote bothered me at the time (and still does), his wagon vote bugs me, and yet nothing is giving me the "he's scum, get him" vibes. Could be because some of his arguments make sense, despite his actions not making sense. Yeah, I don't know.
Quote
@Merryweather: Currenty, Krabs. I stand by my logic from earlier, seeing as I have yet to think it is not sound. I'd want to keep an eye out for Orange, and others like Bardiche/Gilgamesh/Megaman that didn't get enough of my attention, but currently, this.
Quote
Since neither of them are showing up, how is Orange kill / Beer lynch a better idea? Asking for everyone on the Orange wagon to vote Beer is terrible and most likely won't work.
He had the chance to switch and at the very fucking least make a comment on Orange besides weak waffles but he didn't, these now look heinous.

##Vote: Barney
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Faiz on October 27, 2011, 12:56:05 AM
##Eat White

Duff Beer. Duffman wants to know if your red pill has anything to do with Bo Peep's death. Duffman can't imagine Bo Peep being high on a normal priority list.
It's possible the red pill killed her and scum targetted me last night. 
I gave the red pill to Duff Man. The blue pill went to Bo Peep. And no, neither the red nor blue pill can kill someone.

Duffbeer, clearing some things up around now would be rather nice. Specifically, what pills DO you know, and what are their current fates?
I know the effects of all the primary colors, and basic combinations thereof. I don't feel like revealing what the red or blue pill does.
Currently every pill, bar the red one, is in my possession. This includes the blue pill, which I gave to Bo Peep in D1. Turns out that if the person holding the pill dies without having used it, I get it back from them.

I'm not quite sure why Dufman and Bo peep didn't ingest their pills and why Duffbeer kept eating fake pills whilst giving the red and blue bills to Bo peeo/Duff man which wre the two people he didn't like at the time.  Like why didn't you tell them to eat them earlier?
When did I say that I didn't like Duff Man?

Barney, I would you to post that you are aligned with town in an isolated post.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Faiz on October 27, 2011, 12:57:28 AM
Currently every pill, bar the red one, is in my possession. This includes the blue pill, which I gave to Bo Peep in D1. Turns out that if the person holding the pill dies without having used it, I get it back from them.
Oh, I don't have the brown pill and the ones that I ate either.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 27, 2011, 02:20:04 AM
Duffman is not colorblind! Silence!
Duffman is easily confused okay ;-;

Duffman agrees with Marrymeweather about Barney being suspicious again. The first quotes, are about not liking Mr. Krabs? It's easier to chainsaw defend townies then scum. I don't hold it against Krabs.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 27, 2011, 02:45:34 AM
... Suspicious again? That wasn't (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738183.html#msg738183) what you said yesterday (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738258.html#msg738258)! So that's okay, but whence comes this stuff about Barney being suspicious again, when you were arguing AGAINST his lynch the other Day?

Bardiche, quickhammer, why? I mean I'm not sitting here yelling OMG SCUM for it, but normally we INFORM PEOPLE WE'RE ABOUT TO HAMMER instead of just do it, especially since you never made it quite clear what side of the Orange VS Anything Else fence you were on.

When rereading, I find this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738126.html#msg738126) of interest in particular with regards to Bardiche, as it seems a tacit cheerlead (OMG SAKI STOP LOOKING FOR CHEERLEADERS;I can't help it they're hot) of the Mr Krabs wagon, but then he goes in his next post where Krabs goes to too silly to be scum (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738231.html#msg738231)... the difference being that in the time period inbetween any chance of seeing Krabs lynched has gone down to 0%. He later revisits his opinion to that Krabs is scummy enough to be persuaded on (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738313.html#msg738313).

His end of day behaviour is strange for me because he asks for an abridged version of "why is Mandarin scum?", and then swifthammers Mandarin 40 minutes before deadline: it struck me as ample time to still get that abridged version if he had any interest in it, so I'm not sure why Bardiche asked if he doesn't care whether Mandarin was or was not scum anyway?

Explain please, Bardiche. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738745.html#msg738745)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 27, 2011, 02:53:43 AM
tl;dr Bardiche has been waffling yesterday, commenting only on the popular wagons. He has said literally nothing of anyone else, and hasn't been pro-active in scumhunting either, rather much seemingly examining existing wagons and commenting on them.

Barney I'm feeling less strong on now.

... Christ, does anyone else feel like most of yesterday was all RRRRRRRRRROLES! and most of today thus far is uh... lazy? Seriously, it's been a few hours and I only see Merryweather's done any homework?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 27, 2011, 03:46:54 AM
Man that guy should get terminated already!

I meant to say this..
Quote
    His end of day behaviour is strange for me because he asks for an abridged version of "why is Mandarin scum?", and then swifthammers Mandarin 40 minutes before deadline: it struck me as ample time to still get that abridged version if he had any interest in it, so I'm not sure why Bardiche asked if he doesn't care whether Mandarin was or was not scum anyway?

    Explain please, Bardiche.


I agree with this but not so much on the other stuff you mentioned above it.

Quote

    tl;dr Bardiche has been waffling yesterday, commenting only on the popular wagons. He has said literally nothing of anyone else, and hasn't been pro-active in scumhunting either, rather much seemingly examining existing wagons and commenting on them.


I dunno, he went for orange's throat pretty early.  Even though he relinquished it later, it felt abrupt but not that scummy to me.

Quote

    ... Christ, does anyone else feel like most of yesterday was all RRRRRRRRRROLES! and most of today thus far is uh... lazy? Seriously, it's been a few hours and I only see Merryweather's done any homework?

I like the RRRRRRRRRROLES! part of yesterday.  Everybody who was eager to contribute made me all fuzzy in my heart.  The people that didn't show up so readily made me ANGER because I wanted to make a good decision with my Vig.  I was primarily pissed with Krabs, but also Barney, Bo Peep, and Bardiche as well.   All I did last night was try to role speculate people while rereading DuffBeer, Kanji, Bardiche, Li's orange vote, and half of Bo peep.  At one point I actually thought Bo peep specifically was a jail keeper.  I think that thought lasted for an instant.

Also I half-thought I would die.  Just sayin'.

Now I feel like this:
Lat da-dot daaw-dee doo doo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29_uSlEEPSk)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Den-O on October 27, 2011, 03:56:03 AM
Quote
cut by someone asking to hammer, which is what is going through my mind as well

That said, I had the thought of hammering. I did it for a few reasons
1) Because it's fun
2) There was no way anyone else was gonna get lynched
3) I was null on Orange, not a town read
4) The last few posts looked more like just random role stuff
5) I was waiting for an Alpha vig. He said he wasn't gonna do it, so there seemed no point in waiting
6) There was plenty of time for people to post an abridged version of the case. Nobody bothered, it was just random role stuff

There was a difference. I read Krab's posts past 100, and they were akin to claiming scum to me, which was just confusing my read on him. There's the WIFOM that he was either a confused Townie, or an abandoned scum akin to last game. And there was still a day left, so saying the Krabs lynch being impossible is quite an overstatement.

That said, I'm a little weary of Alpha's actions lately. First the paranoia around my flavor, and a sudden asking of claiming. And then that super conspiracy theory based on roles. He seems like his theories are the truth, and acts upon them, and I don't see that as Town-motivated. Not to mention, first Kanji answered for him (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg737651.html#msg737651), along with a slight subtle chainsaw defense, along with suspicion on him for distancing. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg737830.html#msg737830)

I am not looking that much into the NK. I did not foresee that Bo Peep would be NK'd though. And I show minor annoyance at whoever RB'd me, but that might be Bo Peep, who, alas, is dead and cannot confirm this.

cut by alpha what?

I, indeed, expected you to be the NK as well.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 27, 2011, 04:22:41 AM
Only the last 12 hours were roles. It just feels that way because there was so much content in that 12 hours.
If you read what I said carefully you will realize I didn't ever say I think Barney is town. I believe in error I was reacting badly to the sudden wagon that once again wasn't my choice. Barney himself seemed null to me. His content seems reasonable but it wasn't there when it mattered most.

Bardiche, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you didn't get protected, and therefore Bo Peep didn't roleblock you. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 27, 2011, 05:05:45 AM
I'm sorry I wasn't here everyone, I thought there was another day left, I had no idea deadline was coming up.
I'm going to reread everything that happened yesterday while I was gone before I make another post.

If anybody wants some question's answered by me than feel free to ask.

And before I start.
@Bardiche:
2) There was no way anyone else was gonna get lynched
First you say this, but then you say this in the next paragraph.
Quote
And there was still a day left, so saying the Krabs lynch being impossible is quite an overstatement.
How is there no way anybody else was going to get lynched despite you saying that my lynch was not impossible?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Den-O on October 27, 2011, 05:16:45 AM
...

Because the first quote was referencing to AN HOUR BEFORE DEADLINE, while the second quote refers to A DAY BEFORE DEADLINE
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 27, 2011, 05:59:44 AM
Oh, sorry. Me missing deadline got my times all mixed up. Nevermind about that then.

Okay, done my reread.
I still don't like Bardiche. Will elaborate later, need to iso him first.
Merryweather said that she thought Barney was town after he posted that wall after his long absence, why are you suddenly suspicious of him now? I thought you said you were suspicious of Bardiche in the post where you voted Barney today. All you actually have is one line and three quotes about Barney.
Speaking of Barney, I now have a kind of null read on him. That wall he posted made me think he was town, but he was still very scummy throughout the day. I'll probably need to reread him again.
Duff Beer I think should definitely post some more content, as all he seems to be doing now is just throwing some pills and eating others. You said you know the effects of the primary colours and basic combinations thereof. By "combinations" do you mean that they have the effects of two different primary colours, or completely different effects? Other than that I don't really have any other problem with him, but I have a gut read of scum on him, even thought it's not that strong.
I still don't like Li, though it's turning more into a gut read now.

I don't feel like I'm thinking so straight at the moment, so I might take a bit of a break, I shouldn't be too long and I'm availiable for the rest of the day so I'll get these rereads done a bit later.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 27, 2011, 06:41:52 AM
Okay then.

Bardiche: I've noticed he tunnels a bit on Orange. He has mentioned some other players, but they were mainly in posts which also mentioned Orange in some form. He only really has two posts which are more than 2-4 lines, and I'm not seeing enough content from him at all. The hammer was bad, but he kinda made up for it with his reasons for doing it. I don't like some of those reasons though, but I just think it was just a silly hammer, and not indicative of alignment.

Duff Beer (because I was planning to reread him, but forgot to say it in my post): Basically what I said in my last post. Pretty much all he has been doing is role related stuff, while providing no content at all. I really want some content from him. The lack of it is disturbing. It's like he isn't even trying to make a contribution. Also he keeps getting some people to post "I am alinged with the twon" (mispelled on purpose) in separate posts. I really don't like that either, as it's either related to some hidden aspect of his role, or it's just getting people to create useless noise.

Barney: Barney has definitely been doing some tunneling on me, but no to the degree that other people seem to see. I honestly don't think he was cheerleading the wagon as much as people seem to think. Sure he did some scummy shit, but I actually don't think it's all that bad now that I think about it. He has definitely posted some more content than some players, which is something I'm happy to see.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 27, 2011, 06:50:04 AM
We're seven and a half hours hours into D2, and yet only two of the many people who have posted have voted with clear opinions.
You're the saddest bunch I've ever met, but you can bet before we're through
Mister, I'll make a man
out of you!

##Vote Bardiche
The axe's end-of-day conduct shows nothing but cowardice. Bardiche was around during the end-of-day rush, but it did nothing to push for Barney's death even when there was a chance it could have convinced Alpha to see things its way. Though it had the chance to sway Alpha or even comment on the potential of shooting other players such as our flipped scum Kanji, Bardiche's posts from the last 12 hours of D1 provide minimal contribution toward the day and only seem to serve the purpose of keeping the vig shot away from itself. This behavior is not ideal for town at all. Alpha's vig shot would have given Bardiche the chance to get its desired Barney flip even after the Barney wagon vanished, yet it did not take advantage of this situation, instead sticking around doing nothing until it had the chance to hammer. His only real hand in the theoretical D1 vig was this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738341.html#msg738341), which looks like a shoddy attempt to drive the vig toward a weaker member of the town instead of toward scum. This is exactly how I would expect scum trying to avoid giving town anything to work with would act. Its handling of the orange wagon also raises an eyebrow, as #124 provided it with more reasons to vote Krabs, yet it remained against the orange. I think it was taking advantage of the fact that the orange had recently become a wagon. Hopping on Krabs at that juncture would have drawn attention by swinging the wagons, so by sitting on the orange without adding to its case, the axe was able to sit on the townie wagon it was already voting and coast. I dislike him putting off his read of Krabs (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738231.html#msg738231) as well, because I can easily see scum using that as a way to conserve a town!Krabs' mislynch for later in the game if they thought he would have a lower chance of wiggling out later on than the orange would have.

Kanji and Bardiche never mentioned eachother at all, so I can't really analyze anything between them, but I would argue that this itself is a scummy connection, especially given that Bardiche would have most likely been forced to comment on Kanji had he been openly discussing the vig target.

As for the other players I dislike? Well, I'm finding Merryweather's case on Barney to be quite reasonable. I have little to add to it seeing as I was reading Barney as neutral-leaning-town before I parsed Merryweather's post and realized that Kanji swung the wagons, but I would be willing to sheep to it as my secondary lynch pick for the day if the axe isn't dying. Krabs still rubs me the wrong way as well. His #52 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg737729.html#msg737729) boils down to "I don't like Alpha, but he's looking town (waffle). I don't like Duffman, but I can see him as town (waffle). I also dislike the guy who the flipped scum was tunneling on for the first half of D1, and am going to park my vote on him until he posts content at which point I have an easy opportunity to ditch the presumed mislynch wagon" and I already attacked that throughout D1 for various reasons (repeating one's self is irritating, but I'll repost a Krabs case if people are too lazy to re-read I guess). It really just boils down to whether or not he would be willing to sheep his buddy Kanji's case as scum.

I would be okay with vigging any of those three, though I would (perhaps selfishly) prefer Krabs as the target just because reading him and trying to interpret some of his actions has been a total headache for me and I don't like leaving scummy players who I'm liable to waffle over alive. The combination of "scummy" and "unreadable" makes him an ideal target. Beyond that, I have no preference between Bardiche and Barney as vig targerts, so long as Bardiche is somehow dead by the end of the day.

---

Alpha worries me a lot, perhaps due to paranoia. I had noted the connections between him and Kanji that the axe pointed out while reading the thread, and would like to point out how quick he was to brush aside the thought of Kanji getting shot despite seemingly supporting it, and how Kanji was responsible for giving him two of the words he needed to vig earlygame without prompting (something scum would be apt to do for their buddy with an extra kill). I also believe scum would be more likely to shoot with their dayvig on D1 than town would for obvious reasons (would be much easier for them to direct it toward town), but my Secret Confidant makes me think this might just be Alpha's player's personality at hand, so I'm not too sure how to interpret that yet. Putting Alpha in the "I'm Watching You" bin for now.

Megaman.exe needs to provide some opinions now that we have some flips to work with. Most of his D1 content that wasn't tied to a vote consisted of "this guy makes me frown, but I don't think he's scum and would give him a chance", and it makes it hard to actually hold him to anything. Who is scum now that the orange is gone, Megaman? Do you still suspect Barney?

Krabs cut: ...do you really think that Kanji was bussing Duff Beer during ED1? From Kanji's flip, I got the impression that the alcoholic drink was scum's planned D1 mislynch for the first half of D1.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 27, 2011, 06:58:37 AM
@Li: I never mentioned anything about Kanji in that post. I never looked at Kanji that much because he was basically non-existent. I never actually said that I thought Duff Beer was scum in that post either. I only said that I had a gut read on him, which isn't a solid opinion of my thoughts. I think he is probably town, with scum gut read. If you want to though I can look at Kanji now, I was planning to do it a bit later anyway.
Oh and since you were talking about votes I realised I forgot mine.
##Vote:Bardiche
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 27, 2011, 07:20:43 AM
Okay, took a look at Kanji. I can kinda see why everyone thought he was bad.
He was tunneling on Duff Beer quite a lot which means he was either A) Bussing if Duff Beer is scum, or B) Tunneling and/or setting up a mislynch for Duff Beer if he was town.
And I'm currently leaning towards B.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 27, 2011, 07:25:14 AM
If everyone had thought he was bad, he would have been lynched. >.> The fact that he was scum helps.
Duffman will return! DON'T FALL WITHOUT MY PRESENCE TOWNIES!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 27, 2011, 07:40:17 AM
I think everyone just thought he was bad, not scummy. Only people like Merryweather were expressing huge desire to lynch him. I think others just thought that he wasn't scummy enough.

Don't take my word for it though, as I don't know everyones thoughts on the matter.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Faiz on October 27, 2011, 09:50:59 AM
I would like to apologize for inactivity, I'm kind of busy for today and tomorrow with real life stuff.

I don't really find myself liking the Bardiche wagon. I would much rather ##Vote Mr. Krabs.
In #78, Kanji Watanabe feels the need to defend Mr. Krabs whilst attacking Li Shang.
And again in #188, Kanji first says that he thinks that Barney may have had a valid case on Mr. Krabs but is quick to discredit it by saying that he thinks that Barney never really believed in his Mr. Krabs case. In addition to that, he feels the need to label Mr. Krabs as a misguided townie.
Mr. Krab's jump off me in #76 is terribad. Especially when you have him saying not too long before that in #69 "@Capt. Li: Duff Beer can add to his case all he wants, but I will only switch off if he can get a solid stance with some solid reasons. Also voting someone is still pressuring them, because a vote puts them closer to lynch. And if he tries to imitate other people, than that means he is scum going by your words.". You also have to wonder why Bardiche over other non-contributors like Gilgamesh.
I mean, you know, it's not like he had been going on and on about how scummy Duffman was prior to that post or anything. Nor had he been saying that he was using his vote to pressure, yet did not vote for Orange who he was questioning and had a similar opinion of to Bardiche. I mean, if you're the type that uses votes to pressure, wouldn't it have made more sense to vote for Orange?
Mr. Krab's thing with Li Shang is also horrible. #81 "I'm actually quite confident I've got something here. Whether it's scum or not it's certainly very interesting." lolwut? You say that you think that Duffman, Orange, and Bardiche are scum, only to switch to Li Shang. Note that Li Shang had not posted anything new during this time, and that two people had expressed suspicion in Li Shang. I still have no idea what your case on Li Shang is meant to be, either.
Also, what is that "easy target" crap in #106?
#155 What happened to your dislike of Duffman? It just kind of disappeared into the air. Also, dat fencesit on the Orange.

Also. ##Pass Yellow Alpha 60.
I want you to eat this pill in thread as soon as you receive it.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 27, 2011, 10:04:00 AM
he feels the need to label Mr. Krabs as a misguided townie.
Mr. Krab's jump off me in #76 is terribad.
I mean, if you're the type that uses votes to pressure, wouldn't it have made more sense to vote for Orange?
"I'm actually quite confident I've got something here. Whether it's scum or not it's certainly very interesting." lolwut?
You say that you think that Duffman, Orange, and Bardiche are scum, only to switch to Li Shang.
Also, what is that "easy target" crap in #106?
#155 What happened to your dislike of Duffman? It just kind of disappeared into the air.
Just like everyone else in this game (well, mostly everyone else). So it's not really a good point.
Your jumps onto other wagons were much much worse.
I didn't consider Orange as scummy as Bard at that point.
I thought it might not be the best thing ever, but it was arguably the best I had.
I never said I thought Duffman was scum, I only said I had a gut read on him.
Did you think Bardiche was an easy target then?
As I said, gut read. I feel no need to express my gut read more than a couple of times unless it changes.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 27, 2011, 12:08:55 PM
Hmm, as long as the pill isn't a roleblock and you can assure me of that beforehand, I'll eat it.  (that explains one thing though.  I thought Gold = yellow so I was confused as to why you said you didn't know what the gold pill did).  I haven't received it yet.

I'm pressed for time and I'll re-read and post something in about 4ish~ hours but my concern was that you said you'd want to claim D2 but I don't see why you had to wait. 

There's only one reason I can think of... but it's kinda weird and doesn't make sense when I think about your action.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Faiz on October 27, 2011, 12:18:33 PM
There's not much I can do to assure you other than saying that yellow is not a roleblock.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 27, 2011, 12:22:34 PM
Serela if you are gonna pretty much copy paste the same message for when DuffBeer passed me the brown pill please accept the following:
##Eat: Yellow

Gotta go now, hopefully this pill won't kill me either ;P
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 27, 2011, 03:51:47 PM
Wait, what the hell, where'd all these votes on Bardiche come from?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 27, 2011, 04:02:27 PM
Quote from: Mr Krabs
Merryweather said that she thought Barney was town after he posted that wall after his long absence, why are you suddenly suspicious of him now? I thought you said you were suspicious of Bardiche in the post where you voted Barney today. All you actually have is one line and three quotes about Barney.
I'm glad you don't read what I write.
It's not "sudden suspicion and not wanting him dead yesterday does not mean I think he's town.
Let's see, if reread my case oh I dunno I incorporate our SCUM FLIP from last night. Kinda a big thing.
Hell yeah I think he's suspicious and if you really think my case on him is three quotes and a one liner, you better go reread it again because that's not what it is.

I'm suspicious of Bardiche and I want him to say some words before I make the case on him.  It's some refuckingdiculous disconnect you call me out on this when you did the same thing in your post.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 27, 2011, 04:45:06 PM
Serela isn't around, but I think the pill was passed successfully and I think I ate it successfully.  If it has an effect, I am currently unaware of it.  DuffBeer should I have been aware of the effect upon eating it?  Does the yellow pill actually do anything?

Still rereading, haven't come up with anything yet :/
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 27, 2011, 05:13:21 PM
Merryweather's accusations that I had control of are the following: the votepark and the not actually doing anything with Orange. To answer Duffman: yes, I stated that I would be gone. And I was gone, around four hours before deadline. Before neither Orange nor Beer posted, as a matter of fact. The question being: how obvscum were my actions with this considered? My vote on Beer was bound to change seeing as there was not enough people behind it at the time, and the trigger to this would have been my interaction with him when he decided to post (possibly content?), which he did, but I missed him. Normally, when leaving and noticing that I may not get this interaction, I probably would have made use of my vote. But, to be frank, there was well enough firepower for the likely Orange lynch, so there was no "town is lacking in votes" rush. With the vig still in the air, it was confusing to 'bank' on a vote, so I just stayed with Beer. The Orange waffle is just me being lazy. Yes, I know, this is scummy. It's just that this whole ordeal is way more coincidental than MW made it seem.

Beer has posted no content D1 since my accusation. In fact, aside from "I pass pills around", I don't see anything in his posts at all. In D2 he continues the fashion, besides the very recent Krabs case, which is fine. His role looks town, but not enough to guarantee anything. Thing is, his relationship with Kanji makes me doubt my read quite a lot. At this point in time, I would like your opinion on people not named Krabs. Oh yeah, and I'd love to comply to your request, but you never (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738622.html#msg738622) explained (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738626.html#msg738626) this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738629.html#msg738629).

Finally had a much-needed ISO check on Bardiche. He has an early vote on Orange, effectively parking it there while voicing all kinds of other (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738126.html#msg738126) suspicions (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738231.html#msg738231). I also don't like my sudden jump to "second after Orange" with little to no explanation why. He later builds (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738313.html#msg738313) on this to eventually officially "join" the wagon. He then hammers Orange since apparently he's back to suspecting him. IIRC others were willing to hammer and yet he takes this responsibility when he didn't need to. Yeah, none of this looks good. Then comes D2. He's still not flooding us with content, and I personally find his accusations on Alpha weird. The RB is curious, too. Can you share your opinion on other people, please?

Krabs posted in late D1 even less than Beer. Actually, he didn't post at all, something that isolated my bad read on him nicely. All I'm seeing from his D2 is a big mess so far. He posts suspicions on Bardiche and Beer. He didn't bother to highlight which of the two he thinks is worse, and if anything, his last remark on Bardiche made me think it was Beer before his vote proved otherwise. Without a good explanation on why Bardiche is worse, I see this as bandwagoning.

With my scum!Beer read weakening, Krabs is almost obviously my worst. If you're still wondering why I go with this over Bardiche, it's the fact that Krabs was much more active in parts of the game in comparison, and that I find Krabs' weird behavior harder (read: much harder) to explain. Also, Bardiche claimed his supposed role and claimed to be RB'd. Krabs hasn't really done anything, making Bardiche easier to link stuff to when stuff pops up.

##Vote: Mr. Krabs

Duffman's uber town gut is cool and all, but what their actions actually boil down to aren't much. Between these, I find: consistently defending major lynch choices (Krabs, moi, Beer) but Orange. None of these defenses were much aside from GUT! and no meaningful elaboration came when players asked for it. Good remarks and a good town vibe is nice and all, but it's no excuse for this, so I'd love an explanation now. Also, speaking of defending wagons, I don't see an opinion on Bardiche anywhere, so you might want to provide that soon.

Li: Am I really your second lynch? Is this really what you think and are willing to do despite showing much more interest in Krabs? (in the form of more actual content and willingness to see him killed... yeah)

I want Megaman.exe and Gilgamesh to post more. Especially the latter. Merryweather: do you have anything else to say besides what you think about me?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 27, 2011, 06:41:59 PM
Meh.  After I reread I've got little.  Krabs annoys me but don't really see him as scum.  I think Barney still looks town and I still think Barney > Krabs.

Bardiche, what caused you to think orange was neutral when you unvoted him.  Your early content on a re-read looks like it could have just fit into place rather than been in an effort to try and lynch scum. 

I don't know, not exactly thrilled with Saki.  I can't really explain why, besides what feels like picking out easy points against Krabs/Barney.   I didn't really mind his end of day activity on the other hand.

I am still waiting on the precise language of the Mod on the pill passing and eating.  Duffman, I'm pretty sure you ate the pill given to you.  Do you know of any additional effect it might have bad besides tasting bad?

Also I see no reason why anybody should refrain from posting "I am aligned with town" at this point.

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 27, 2011, 06:44:29 PM
Also in terms of priorities

Bardiche > Saki = Krabs >> Barney   from scummiest to towniest.  I am planning to vig before there is 24 hours left.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 27, 2011, 07:05:13 PM
Also just saying Bardiche is my preferred vig target at the moment although I wonder if scum roleblocked him just so they could get a easier mislynch on him.  A.k.a if there is a town roleblocker, now would be the time to claim it in my opinion.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 27, 2011, 07:09:04 PM
At first glance, no, there's no reason to refrain from posting that. After all, it's assumed to be some sort of town-check method. However, if it is just that, the way he acted when he tried it on you was completely illogical. If he's checking a post for lies, or using a pill for that purpose, he should have no reason being secretive about it. He should also have no problem answering me and I will have no problem complying if it is just that. Note that I will not be accepting lies. The way he changed his mind and proceeded to act as if it never happened makes me stir.

In regards to the RB, yes, that's one theory that makes perfect sense. I'm not expecting there to be a roleblocker in a town that had whatever Bo Peep's role was.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 27, 2011, 07:13:25 PM
Speaking of which, assuming 'protect' in Bo Peep's role refers to protection against kills, it doesn't protect the target from RBs and the like. IF you get no result from being protected, it's still possible that he was Bo Peep's target.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 27, 2011, 07:39:57 PM
That is true, but I really can't imagine Bo Peep using her protect/RB on Bardiche over, let's say, me.  Out of that combo the protect is the most important thing.   There's is no reason to RB a someone who might be town and who may have a important role, and yet have no little to no chance of being the NK.

So yes, I am of the firm belief that scum RBed him or he's lying about it (although I don't get why he'd lie).   So yeah, if there is another town RBer, I'd claim the action.

I too, am waiting for Duffbeer to explain things.  I'm literally straved for info.  I will say that I thought his "I am aligned with town" was a cop check in which he'd get an answer over the night.  And I thought the yellow pill might be bulletproof status. 

I agree it would have been weird for him to cop me, but it would have been redeeming if the yellow pill meant bullet-proof.  Since I don't think I'll get any mod-confirms from sleeping serela (I had to ask someone else knowing a little about the game), I won't know this without Duffbeer speaking up.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Serela on October 27, 2011, 08:04:21 PM
>V-V-V-Votecount!

Captain Li Shang (0)
Duff Beer (0):
Alpha 60 (0):
Saki Morimi (0)
Merryweather (0)
Mr.Krabs (2): Duff Beer, Barney
Barney (1): Merryweather
Duffman (0)
Gilgamesh (0):
Megaman.EXE (0):
Bardiche (3): Saki Morimi, Captain Li Shang, Mr.Krabs

Not Voting:5 other people.

51 hours left in the day. With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch. Bardiche is at L-3. Link to Countdown for D2 Deadline (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&month=10&day=29&year=2011&hour=19&min=&sec=&p0=745)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 27, 2011, 08:04:58 PM
Alright then. Just got the official PM from serela. 

Basically the yellow thing was in fact a pill this time instead of a crayon, (the description of the brown thing). 

And all I know is that I ate it and tasted odd. 

Waiting on Duffman and Duffbeer both now.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 27, 2011, 08:46:25 PM
Woah, Duffman is all groggy.. so much Duff Beer..
Give Duffman a minute to look over things.
Duffman will say cops have every reason not to make clear to people that's what they are.
Duffman doesn't know how to explain Mr. Krabs any better then it is Mr. Krabs and that's just how he is. Duffman gives a not-righteous thumbs down for using 'he was more active at certain times' as an excuse to see him as worse then anyone else. That's like voting someone over their sleep schedule dude.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Den-O on October 27, 2011, 08:47:27 PM
A scum roleblocker would make sense in a role madness set up such as this. However, if I had the Jailkeeper role, I would be more inclined to use it as a roleblocker against scum as protecting a pro-town person might also block a powerful role.

However, I am interested in a certain Jackie Chan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3zzRby69lc). His reasons (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738691.html#msg738691) for voting Orange are weak, and looks more like securing the lynch on Orange. Orange has been proven to have a Town role that creates quicktopics, where's your proof? The other reason is just you saying what the last three votes on Orange were. You even said you had a Town feel from him, and that you find his opinions makes sense and solid. The case on Orange looks forced to avoid suspicion from being on the wagon when he flips. I voted Orange simply because Town needed a lynch, regardless of my read on him.

His interactions between Kanji are also minimum, but there's one nice quirk here.
Quote from: Li
Kanji has been an early town read for me, and I'm not seeing any reason to shoot him as is. Elaborate?

Got to go right now, be busy for a few hours.

##Standy Mode

cut by duffman
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Den-O on October 27, 2011, 08:47:54 PM
Fuck, forgot my vote

##Vote: Li Shang
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Faiz on October 27, 2011, 08:59:20 PM
I was just waiting on confirmation that you had actually eaten the pill. And yes, yellow is a truth serum,
Anyway, sorry but I'm busy. I'll be back later.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 27, 2011, 09:06:22 PM
@#$%

does someone happen to know how you delete a post, it seems to be beyond me
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kitten4u on October 27, 2011, 09:10:08 PM
Repost with the correct account and I'll go through and fix it.  I just don't have the anon account passwords, so I can't do that myself
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 27, 2011, 09:13:15 PM
Tell me something that screams "cop" louder than asking for a line like that. He already made people think that's what he's capable of; the problem I have is with the execution.

I used 'he was more active at certain times' because you can sometimes excuse townies for making mistakes due to a lack of game time. Mr. Krabs shows that he did not have a particular time problem with his abundance of posts, and he manages to act just as bad (or worse) than Bardiche.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 27, 2011, 09:13:33 PM
Just saying but this 'later' will probably be when I'm already gone for the day. Thankfully, I should be able to post once or twice during the morning.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 27, 2011, 09:17:07 PM
Alpha, if you believe that Bardiche isn't lying about being roleblocked, and you believe it wasn't a town roleblocker, why do you want to shoot him? Just think about that line of reasoning for a second. You need to look deeper if you still believe he is scum.

Barney. What exactly is the scum intent of making others believe you are a cop, truthful or not? The forcing to claim is more noise. That being said, since Duff Beer has righteously confirmed his Duff ingestment powers I assume he wants Alpha to post that he's aligned with town again. Which he should. Duffman suggests this to Alpha for everyone else's piece of mind.

Let Duffman make his thoughts clear. What do you think of Megaman? He might as well not have posted today since his Day 2 post was chiming in about the pills and nothing on thoughts about players. I will be displeased if he is prodded today before he's contributed.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Faiz on October 27, 2011, 09:18:07 PM
Actually, it should be fine, I have his #236.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 27, 2011, 09:21:07 PM
Quote
And there was still a day left, so saying the Krabs lynch being impossible is quite an overstatement.

The Krabs lynch was supported by Barney, Li and Gilgamesh at that point, with a number of others stating they were uninterested in his lynch. What makes you think it was not impossible? I think it quite truthfully did become impossible within that timespan.

Quote
6) There was plenty of time for people to post an abridged version of the case. Nobody bothered, it was just random role stuff

There was still plenty of time left, and normally one informs people. This is basic courtesy, and normally ignoring that will yield some glares sent your way. Why do you feel it was alright to do this, other than that it "was fun"?


... You guys. Alpha 60, you didn't scare me yesterday and you don't scare me today, stop threatening to shoot me already. :derp:


Duffman, what do you think are the odds of Megaman channeling Zakeri? I very strongly suspect we're just not going to get him to contribute in a meaningful way. Who do you think is the most likely scum, and if you had to put a vote down on who would it be? I think you're getting a tad lazy here now that you're pretty much confirmed Town. Gimme reason to believe.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 27, 2011, 09:44:50 PM
Duffman is rereading, give him time you. >:< Zakeri lurks but posts usefully when he does post. There is a difference.
Duffman is not feeling righteous because today hasn't added much. Everyone is continuing to concentrate on pills. Duffman is looking at the list of players and thinking. Either Megaman, Barney and Bardiche hold the last scum, or Duffman needs to check over his townie friends again. You are one of the last people Duffman considers town, beside Li Shang.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Skull on October 27, 2011, 09:48:04 PM
...Sigh...
After ISO reading Kanji's reads,
Overall he really only tunneled and threw a few questions here and there.

I can see his trying to connect to Saki in this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738468.html#msg738468) as either misleading or bussing. It doesn't help the fact that this is the first time he mentioned Saki after 48 hours in the game...

However, Bardiche could be pointed at as well with no comments at all from Kanji, distancing...?

...This feels so wrong...As of the Moment Saki is attacking Bardiche...(maybe so he can stop getting a headache)
While Bardiche is attacking Li Shang, as Li Shang attacks back...
Bardiche OMGUS?...hm...
...
##Vote Bardiche

Leaving this here for now as I look Stare attempt to stare a hole into posts.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 27, 2011, 09:57:46 PM
Gilgamesh, who did you target last night?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: OOO on October 27, 2011, 10:02:03 PM
I'm not channeling Zakeri channeling Alice as much as I am channeling Shadoweh.

Power and Internet around where I live has suddenly gone down and I've no idea when they'll fix it. I'm not going to be able to promise any time to get on and do anything mafia wise until around 24 hours from now. Give or take a few hours.

I'll leave handling the obvious problem with this to Serela/K4U, I'm just letting everyone know.

Also, Steve was the cutest, apparently, for what it matters.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 27, 2011, 10:04:44 PM
By the way, Duff Beer. Do you have infinite uses of the truth serum? Because if you do, I don't see why we don't just have everyone consume one and then hullaballoo mass claim Town. Liars will be easily rooted out.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 27, 2011, 10:06:26 PM
@Gilgamesh: And Kanji was clearly misleading. I wouldn't use just connections as the be-all-end-all of all cases. It serves as addendum, not a stand-alone case. You didn't mention Kanji at all either, does that make YOU scum?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Skull on October 27, 2011, 10:08:24 PM
I targeted Bo Peep, Found out she was
Zakeri
.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: OOO on October 27, 2011, 11:55:19 PM
disregard it was just www again and i deleted them

Working on post now, sorry about the delays.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 28, 2011, 12:10:25 AM
Sigh. I supose lynch all lurkers isn't the same as lynch all disconnectors. I'm willing to let the situation get resolved before mindlessly pursuing Megaman destruction. Speaking of resolve, if Duff Beer could tell us if Alpha lied or not?

>_______> Saki did you honestly have to ask a question like that. Oh yeah and about the vote thing: Probably Barney. Expect that to change in the next five minutes. Duffman is not liking this feeling of plodding through the town. Duffman wonders how far underground the other two scum already are.

Megaman: www? As in a virus? Please tell me Megaman.EXE has been having problems posting due to viruses.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Faiz on October 28, 2011, 12:15:24 AM
Unfortunately, I need to wait for the pill to digest. I would have fed Alpha this pill yesterday, had I realized this.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: OOO on October 28, 2011, 12:17:40 AM
I've been having problems posting due to power issues and lack of internet like I said early, which was totally caused by the WWW because i am megaman you see.

but i blew them up and everything is fixed now so I can post. Earlier I wasn't sure because last time this happened around here it took a full day to get fixed, but I suppose it was easier to solve this time so yeah.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 28, 2011, 01:12:49 AM
@Merryweather: Oh, sorry, I see now. I just saw this and thought that most of the case was about Bardiche.
Bardiche, I'm going to need some words from you here because as of know I'm seeing you as one of my suspects.

I will admit interactions with Kanji and Krabs make me no like him anymore:[/color]
I read the case, and I assumed that because you hadn't mentioned Barney before you made the case, and you mentioned other people's actions towards Barney instead of his own, that it wasn't a case on Barney but one on Bardiche instead. Sorry about that.

@Barney:
Quote
Krabs posted in late D1 even less than Beer. Actually, he didn't post at all, something that isolated my bad read on him nicely.
All I'm seeing from his D2 is a big mess so far. He posts suspicions on Bardiche and Beer. He didn't bother to highlight which of the two he thinks is worse, and if anything, his last remark on Bardiche made me think it was Beer before his vote proved otherwise. Without a good explanation on why Bardiche is worse, I see this as bandwagoning.
Oh god this is hilarious, I wasn't even there after you came on. I was away/sleeping.
Read my fucking post will you? I've mentioned in at least 3 different posts (possibly only two) that I only have a gut read on Duff Beer, Bardiche is not a gut read, but a scum read instead. Stop misrepping me and make a good case with good reasons.
I'm starting to doubt my town read on you.
Quote
Also, Bardiche claimed his supposed role and claimed to be RB'd. Krabs hasn't really done anything, making Bardiche easier to link stuff to when stuff pops up.
Merryweather said she didn't want anyone claiming, if she says it's fine for today, and enough people ask, I will claim, but only in a dire situation.
Quote
Mr. Krabs shows that he did not have a particular time problem with his abundance of posts, and he manages to act just as bad (or worse) than Bardiche.
I'm normally away for around 16 hours on weekdays. Does that excuse my downtime? Because that is the majority of your case on me.
In fact Barney, if it makes you feel better, I normally wouldn't be posting for another three hours, but I'm home today instead. So I have more time.
Your case is horrible and your horrible. Die scum.
##Unvote
##Vote:Barney

And just to make it clearer for you, I think you are worse than Bardiche.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 28, 2011, 01:19:36 AM
Alright where to begin?

how obvscum were my actions with this considered? My vote on Beer was bound to change
Nope, not a valid retort.  You didn't so there ya go.
Quote
seeing as there was not enough people behind it at the time
when you posted, the people weren't there so where are you going with this?
Hell the votecount that was right before you disappeared had this:
Duff Beer (1): Barney
I am not buying that logic for one second that you couldn't comment on any of the other wagons when you were the sole supporter of your lynch.

Quote
. But, to be frank, there was well enough firepower for the likely Orange lynch, so there was no "town is lacking in votes" rush. With the vig still in the air, it was confusing to 'bank' on a vote, so I just stayed with Beer.
Seriously?  As the only supporter of a lynch that had NO support whatsoever, you now claim that since a vig was going to be fired it would be a ok.  I'm glad you acknowledge you are scummy.
This is not coincidental since you were around at the time, acknowledge you were scummy for my accusations and didn't act on them like you were expected to and just stayed away from it entirely.  Hell:
Quote
Krabs posted in late D1 even less than Beer. Actually, he didn't post at all,
You being there and not saying anything, (yes late day does not include just the last 3 hours) is worse than what you are voting Krabs for, so by your own logic you are scum.
I'm ready for you to die now.
Especially since you are claiming you knew the yellow pill is a cop of some sort and didn't want to offer yourself up to it because the "execution is bad"  What.  No.

Bardiche's 356 case on Li is one I think rings true.  Li had opposed Orange all day yet when one weak role related reason came up he immediatly became suspicious of Orange enough to vote him. 
Bardiche mentioned it but here's my problem with this:
You counterclaimed neighborizer to lynch Orange.  Let's see your neighbor verify you did this.

Gilgamesh's 372 case makes me want to punch him in the teeth again.  No, that's just fluffy I don't even know.  Make a real one and maybe talk about someone else before I have to start making heads roll.

Megaman has This much longer to put smoke to his keyboard and start putting out content before I become sold on killing him in a way just because of how unreadable a lurk lurker is.

But by Krabs channeling me :V
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 28, 2011, 01:23:47 AM
Yeah what Merry means to Gilgamesh is that if he can make a case on Bardiche, fine but we wish you to talk about others as well.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 28, 2011, 03:10:57 AM
I've talked things over a bit with my Secret Confidant (who is definitely a person who exists @Merryweather, but I'll leave claiming it up to them), and I'm fairly certain Barney is the ideal lynch for the day now. Also, said Secret Confidant has been making me waffle over Krabs even more. I think I might be gutting him as townie-ish now (most of my displeasure with him was early game stuff anyway), so if I had to select a vig/lynch combo, it'd be Bardiche (vig) + Barney (lynch), POSSIBLY with Megaman instead of Bardiche if he does not provide soon, given how little he gave us on D1. Bleh.

##Unvote
##Vote Barney
I understand Merryweather's analysis of Kanji's interactions with him from D1 and strongly agree with it, but that's not the only reason I have for swinging over. The way he has been fretting over Duff Beer's role looks like scummy discrediting being passed off as paranoid town to me - back in #346 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg739531.html#msg739531), he claimed his scum read of Beer was waning, so the sharp increase in distrust looks like a way for him to keep tunneling on his likely town mislynch target. This is made much worse by the subject matter of Beer's claim. Utilizing Beer's role benefits town in every way regardless of his alignment, for if the pill had some innate scummy effect, then this would probably be very easy to out if it was something like roleblock or silencer or whatever, and rolecop / tracker / etc make no sense given that Alpha already claimed. If Beer isn't scum, then there's obviously nothing to be lost from Alpha accepting the pill at all, because this isn't something Beer would have a reason to lie about. I think Barney is scum trying to deny town information (either a cleared town!Alpha or a confirmed scum!Alpha, depending on Alpha's alignment. Could go either way at this point).

Also, Barney being scum would totally explain why Bo Peep died. Just saying. <_<

Bardiche stance hasn't changed at all, but is just out-prioritized now. OMGUS on me seems weak, if scum wanted to avoid attention from being on a wagon then they wouldn't jump on it in the first place since they're going to be visible on the wagon no matter what their case is, so I'm not sure what he's even trying to imply about my orange vote. Would prefer that Alpha vig him.

Haven't had very much time for this game lately, so my posts have been and will probably continue to be rather sparse. Sorry all. If there's anything else I should mention, now would be a good time to ask me.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 28, 2011, 03:17:35 AM
If you two are just neighbors regardless of alignment I don't see why you can verify each other this it's kind of a thing.
If you two are masons or something go ahead and stay shut up.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 28, 2011, 03:21:56 AM
My neighbor buddy told me that they want to stay quiet for now. If they change their mind then I'm not stopping them from outing them self.

And no, we're not masons. I strongly believe them to be town, though.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 28, 2011, 04:52:54 AM
Ok.

First things first. 

I'm pissed.  At duffbeer.   You put off full claiming D1 when you were a likely vig canidate and now you have to wait for me to "digest" the pill putting off another day.

Let me quote this.

Quote
I am the Druggy Donna, I have pills of every color. I know for a fact about what certain colors do when eaten. I had no idea what the other colors would do so I tried eating the Gold one, since gold is the color of duff, as a test run. I asked why gold did nothing because I didn't realize that I had received a result. These accounts do that thing where they don't put up that obnoxious popup when you have a new PM.

First of all the "brown pill" you gave me was actually described not as a pill, but as a "crayon" (as opposed to the yellow pill, which was actually described as a "pill") even though I refered to it as a pill D1.  And it tasted bad.  Today nothing of note has happened because of it.  Now you said the Gold one was a pill and that you had no idea what it did so you eat it to find out.  You got a result which I'm taking a guess and postulating that it simply tasted like crap.  A day has passed.  If it was a pill you would have ingested it by now and perhaps got told something, in which case you might have known pills digest.   Explain further how you came to find out how pills needed to be digested.

MORE IMPORTANT.  WHY WOULD YOU COP ME AND NOT BARNEY, BY FREAKING WAITING UNTIL HE POSTED "I AM ALIGNED WITH TOWN" AND THEN FORCING HIM TO EAT THE YELLOW PILL, SINCE AT THE TIME YOU SUPPOSEDLY DIDN'T KNOW IT NEEDED A DAY TO INGEST.

I want your full claim along with what the red and blue pill do, since if you are telling the truth it is likely scum will kill you tonight since you have a cop check attached to you.  I want you to pass the blue pill to me to make sure you have it. 

Other things.

I see no reason why Capt.Li can't name his neighbor, or the neighbor not wanting to name himself.

If bardiche is lying about the roleblock then bardiche is scum.  It's possible he claimed to be RBed to get town off his tail if he thought he was going to get lynched the next day.  It's a ballsy move, but possible.

I have not looked into the recent cases against barney, but I still have a town read of barney and find this kind of vote swing suspect. 

Once Duffbeer said post "you are aligned with town" It was pretty obvious that looked like a cop-check.   I was expecting to be cleared to-fucking-day.
 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 28, 2011, 06:55:12 AM
Yeah, a lot of things just don't make sense.

I knew it was a cop of some sorts, hmm? The whole point of what I'm doing is because I have no idea what he's up to. Yes, it's some sort of rolecop. Is it purely a rolecop? What the hell is he doing with it, considering he hasn't given his result for Alpha yet? The fact that Duff Beer refuses to explain any of this is just annoying. I'm not trying to milk him for info, I'm legitimately curious. I obviously don't have a problem putting myself to such a test. Actually, yeah, apparently what I'm doing is stupid/scummy or something, so whatever, I'm doing it.

I find Krabs scum for D1 inactivity? What happened to everything else I accused him for, disappeared into thin air? Also, did Krabs just pull a huge OMGUS or am I blind? "I'm starting to doubt my read oh wait, wait, yep, done. Die scum."
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 28, 2011, 06:55:30 AM
I am aligned with town
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 28, 2011, 07:10:29 AM
I'm voting you for making a horrible case on me. You barely even read my posts by the looks of it. You were just trying to throw whatever you could at me. It's like your just trying to discredit me instead of convincing other people I am scum. That vote post had two paragraphs related to me, they both mentioned activity levels. If you can make a case without using activity levels, then that would be nice.

Oh yeah, I just remembered.
OH NO BARNEY WAS ABSENT FOR SO LONG AND I WAS SUSPECTING HIM HMMM... THIS JUST ISOLATED MY BAD SUSPICIONS OF HIM. HEY LOOK HE FINALLY POSTED OH WAIT IT ISN'T THAT EASY TO UNDERSTAND. ALL I'M SEEING FROM HIS D2 IS A BAD CASE SO FAR. WITH MY SCUM!BARDICHE READ WEAKENING, BARNEY IS ALMOST OBVIOUSLY MY WORST.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 28, 2011, 07:13:57 AM
Hey Barney, take a look at this.
This was something you said late D1. But I edited it to fit me.
Quote
"He's not posting" Has a possible thought crossed your mind that, just maybe, I wasn't online? Maybe there are timezones in play? Now I'm online, so now I'm posting. "He hasn't contirbuted anything for the last x hours" also falls into the same category: I wasn't around. Why am I getting voted for it?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 28, 2011, 07:24:33 AM
If you're still wondering why I go with this over Bardiche, it's the fact that Krabs was much more active in parts of the game in comparison, and that I find Krabs' weird behavior harder (read: much harder) to explain. Also, Bardiche claimed his supposed role and claimed to be RB'd. Krabs hasn't really done anything, making Bardiche easier to link stuff to when stuff pops up.
Just take a look at this. There are three reasons why you're voting me over Bardiche.
1. I was much more active in parts of the game in comparison to him.
2. You find my weird behaviour harder (read:much harder) to explain.
3. Bardiche claimed some role related stuff and I didn't so it's easier to pin stuff on him when stuff pops up.

Here are my responses.
1. Look at my previous post.
2. Weird behaviour is not exclusive to scum. Townies are weird too.
3. I didn't claim any role related stuff because A) I wasn't asked/didn't need to, and B) Because Merryweather said she didn't want anymore claiming for now.

This really makes me wonder why you're still voting me over Bardiche.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 28, 2011, 07:31:27 AM
Just for you, I read over your posts again. Where does this show?
WOW YOU REALLY DID READ MY POSTS DIDN'T YOU? I'M SO AMAZED BY YOUR READING ABILITY!
Duff Beer I think should definitely post some more content, as all he seems to be doing now is just throwing some pills and eating others. You said you know the effects of the primary colours and basic combinations thereof. By "combinations" do you mean that they have the effects of two different primary colours, or completely different effects? Other than that I don't really have any other problem with him, but I have a gut read of scum on him, even thought it's not that strong.
I never actually said that I thought Duff Beer was scum in that post either. I only said that I had a gut read on him, which isn't a solid opinion of my thoughts. I think he is probably town, with scum gut read.
He was tunneling on Duff Beer quite a lot which means he was either A) Bussing if Duff Beer is scum, or B) Tunneling and/or setting up a mislynch for Duff Beer if he was town.
And I'm currently leaning towards B.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 28, 2011, 07:32:51 AM
I'm going to have to go soon, there's a thunderstorm outside, and I don't want to charge my laptop in case of a power surge.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 28, 2011, 07:38:19 AM
@Mod: Can we have a votecount?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 28, 2011, 07:57:14 AM
Thunderstorm has passed now, I can stay on for much longer.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kitten4u on October 28, 2011, 08:16:48 AM
>V-V-V-Votecount!  Serela, I said to post one every page! >:| edition

Captain Li Shang (1) Bardiche
Duff Beer (0):
Alpha 60 (0):
Saki Morimi (0)
Merryweather (0)
Mr.Krabs (2): Duff Beer, Barney
Barney (3): Merryweather, Mr. Krabs, Captain Li Shang
Duffman (0)
Gilgamesh (0):
Megaman.EXE (0):
Bardiche (2): Saki Morimi, Gilgamesh

Not Voting: 4 other people.

38 hours left in the day. With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch. Barney is at L-3. Link to Countdown for D2 Deadline (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&month=10&day=29&year=2011&hour=19&min=&sec=&p0=745)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: OOO on October 28, 2011, 09:44:32 AM
I want to see Barney lynched today. I'm pretty sure I was premature in my initial assessment of him getting better- It seemed like he was actually scumhunting, but... That's not really the case. His opener today seems like a lackluster attempt to rehash the Krabs case, and from there he doesn't actually further elaborate on why Krabs is bad, but pays more attention to Beer. His D1 cheerleading still stands, for the record, the reason he posted with no change in interest should be obvious- he got called out for it and threw a vote to try and smooth it over. I was willing to give him a benefit of doubt due to him having a large inactivity time, but it doesn't seem like he's doing actual scumhunting here.

I'm pretty sure Gilgamesh hasn't actually changed and I'm not sure why we're litting him sit pretty and high because of role-shenanigans. Seriously. He's still doing the same crap as yesterday, and I'm not exactly pleased to see my expectation he'd start to target the dead coincidentally came true. I suppose it isn't his fault, but I'd like to ask why he targeted who he did as well as politely ask him to say something so we can atleast get something out of him.

Elsewise as stands, Order of scum-> Town is

Barney>Gilgamesh>Beer>Bardiche>Merry Weather=Alpha>Saki=Duffman>Li=Mr.Krabs

Beer feels worse than Bardiche to me mostly due to degree of role shenaniganry to actual content, though they may just be a player relying on shenaniganry too much and I can't really pinpoint any bad feelings on them. Bardiche is above rest due to general D1 and omgus response to wagon. Alpha and Merry weather are seperated from Saki and Duffman due to a few odd kinks, but I'm mostly sure they're town.

If you excuse me, I now have around 2 hours to do work I haven't been doing because you people wanted me to mafia.

##Vote: Barney
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 28, 2011, 10:03:35 AM
Now that means Barney is at L-2. If I got my numbers right.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 28, 2011, 12:09:34 PM
Duffman is going to RIGHTEOUSLY SUMMARIZE THIS PAGE!
 :wikipedia: :wikipedia: :wikipedia: :getdown:
 Barney --->  :flamingv: <--- Mr. Krabs

Dudes be slapfightin'

Marrymeweather, I think we went over this yesterday about Li. He hasn't coincidentally targetted the dead duder according to him, and if he were scum he'd have a dude ready to say they were totally talking. He is probably not faking. Duffman has to run but he'll be very upset if Alpha tries to take a shot at Duff Beer like it looks like he wants to because that would be booogus.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 28, 2011, 12:19:33 PM
Duffman, who do you think is the scummiest so far? Because it appears you have no vote down.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 28, 2011, 01:06:45 PM
... I feel like my brain has fried.

On the current debacle I side (shock!) with Krabs here, in that he seems to come off as more reasonable than Barney and Barney's accusations leveled against him seem a stretch.

... ohgod I can't do this why. I keep reading but nothing comes to mind.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 28, 2011, 03:05:16 PM
OK, apparently I was absurdly unaware during the morning. Let's try this again.

I am not buying that logic for one second that you couldn't comment on any of the other wagons when you were the sole supporter of your lynch.
# Votes =/= # Supporters. I hope this isn't new for you, since it shouldn't be. Now... #184 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738462.html#msg738462), #193 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738498.html#msg738498) and #196 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738526.html#msg738526) should be enough examples for you. You had arguably the most influence over the voters at that point (proving this against me, Orange and even the early Alpha vote, all of which had turned into wagons). You were strongly approving of my Beer case, and it was pretty clear to be your second lynch, after Orange. Now, tell me, with Orange (and Beer) not posting yet, and with a vig in the air, how impossible was a Beer vote? Yeah, it was perfectly plausible. I was the only vote, yes. It didn't look like outrunning the Orange wagon at the time, yes. But I really did believe that a Beer lynch was perfectly possible, something that made me feel fine with how I left the day. That didn't end up being true, and I would have noticed this were I not gone. Unfortunately, I was gone, and now I'm facing CONSEQUENCES that I honestly did not see coming.

Regarding Krabs... ugh, my head hurts. I honestly do not know how I missed those. Now for what I can answer:

Why are you insistent that I used your lacking activity D1 as a reason for suspicion? I did not. The only reason I mentioned that is because it made it so my opinion on you didn't change. Your D2 seemed like a repeat of D1 so I was inclined to continue the pressure but apparently that was unjustified. I ISO'd Bardiche, and like I pointed out, I found stuff that I didn't like, but these seemed more town-plausible mistakes than what I pointed out in your D1, which was pretty much what made me press on. So, yes, I made a mistake. Can you explain your absurd capitalization on this mistake? I think it was... a 'tad' too extreme, like Duffman showed nicely with very nice emoticons.
---

Gilgamesh cannot continue like this. The only thing I see from him is his Bardiche post which really lacks in content. Actually, he only talks about Bardiche. You've got people fast and furious about me and you can't even comment on it? How's this going to look when I flip? Ditto on Saki.

Duffman is extremely vote-light. Also, your last post 'summarized' Krabs' rebuttal without actually sharing what you think about it. You've been making a lot of opinions and little actions all game. What's your course of action right now?

Can Duff Beer please stop constantly disappearing? You're almost making me sorry for stopping the pressure. You still have yet to answer any of my questions, too.

I feel like the day -stopped-. Why is no one answering questions? Why are people hesitant with their opinions? To top it all off, I can't think straight. I need rest :L
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 28, 2011, 05:01:04 PM
Question to everybody.

I have a vig.  It could be used on Barney. 

The thing is, if it was, I don't have a good idea about who the rest of you want dead.  In the back of my mind I hear instances of "you're worse than Bardiche" which sounds like scum trying to focus Barney/Bardiche kill day.

Thing is even in the little time I have to read this game, Barney sounds town and his posts make sense stepping into his shoes.

Let me say that kanji targetting Li or Duffbeer was incredibly likely in the case that both are town.  Li because he soft cced twon!orange and scum might check him to want to push this and say all the right things for example.  Scum might very likely have targetted Duffbeer to find out all about the billion pills/crayons he carries.

I DEMAND DUFFBEER FULLCLAIMS OR I WILL SHOOT HIM IN THE FACE.

Li should name his confidant.  I don't buy his "strong town read" because unless he got the guy who shot kanji last night, I don't find anyone to be a strong town read for me anymore.

Barney's wagon looks like my D1 wagon in Vanilla Mafia II, and I distinctly remember being absolutely livid at half the town.

I am extremely livid at half the town this game as well.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 28, 2011, 05:03:22 PM
Also pass the blue pill.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 28, 2011, 05:13:17 PM
Quote
He's still doing the same crap as yesterday, and I'm not exactly pleased to see my expectation he'd start to target the dead coincidentally came true.

Yes Gilgamesh is doing crap, but his role is useless anyway and your filling up your post with Gilgamesh hate with that kind of thing included by saying "he'd ... target the dead" is pretty awful.

Btw I think your post says a whole lot of nothing and if I had two vigs you'd be the 2nd.

##Vote: Megaman

That's the least I can do. 

Your doing a smashing job.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 28, 2011, 05:19:43 PM
Btw, when will we mass claim.

I say no later than tomorrow.

And I don't admire Bardiche not being here during this, although I really don't know what I'd want him to say. 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 28, 2011, 05:28:27 PM
'3' Mass claim doesn't seem like a good idea to me, personally.

I can sorta understand Megaman's frustration with Gilgamesh though who seems to just be LOL BLINDERS and then votes on whatever seems convenient at the time. I just happen to think he's an idiot and waste rather than scum though.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Skull on October 28, 2011, 08:46:57 PM
I thought about roles for a sec, and then I remembered about the soft counterclaim by Li over Orange.
What are the chances of two communication specific role specifically for townies?
Unless someone can claim true for Li Shang, I highly suspect he is scum.

##Unvote
##Vote Li Shang


Looking at it this way makes me believe Bardiche much more then Li Shang.

On the Barney note, it looks like Barney is backing off on Mr.Krabs because he found out Mr.Krabs can bite him back.

Duffman...a skim through his posts looks more to me like answering, random rebukes and defending people other then hunting.
As well as the wifom in this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg739932.html#msg739932) where he uses "scum would be yapping away about being contacted". When town should have no fears of it either.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 28, 2011, 09:01:34 PM
I can't find any signs of my backing off. The only thing I can see being mistaken as that is when I admitted my mistake. Should I not admit mistakes next time?

Is there any actual reason for Li's supposed talk-buddy not to reveal themselves? I don't see one.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 28, 2011, 09:16:30 PM
Bardiche needs prod.
Duffbeer needs to show up or get one too.

Gilgameshes vote makes 1/2 sense.  There may be two communication roles for town, especially given that kanji can find out the indentities of people who linked other's in a QT.  However, the soft cc was justified given that the role was confirmable.  I'd like Li to confirm it.

Barney is obviously on the defensive since 1/2 of town is voting him/wants him dead.  And yes, Barney is still town to me.  Krabs/Barney (town/town) looks like a proxy fight for people to focus on rather than think about other things.  LIKE DUFFBEER AND THE PILLS OF INDETERMINATE STALLING.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 28, 2011, 09:20:03 PM
Btw, H- I mean Gilgamesh, can you indentify Orange.  He's the only one whose identity is not obvious.  This would confirm your role.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 28, 2011, 09:37:01 PM
I have 1 1/2 hours until 24 hours in the day remain.

Since Duffbeer has another 3 hours until his prod I'll wait till then.

My targets are MEGAMAN,BARDICHE,DUFFBEER.

If DuffBeer doesn't post until his prod, he's a dead man.  If he does post but doesn't full claim, he's a dead man.

If he does full-claim, I'm asking for the claims of Megaman/Bardiche, unless I make a decision to shoot DuffBeer immediately.     
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Serela on October 28, 2011, 09:50:54 PM
Bardiche is being prodded
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 28, 2011, 10:07:17 PM
I'd be down for a Megaman LYNCH (not vig) since you know that smoke never happened and his post is less than desireable just because of the stones from the glass house.  He has literally been non existant so this list needs some explaining.
Quote
Barney>Gilgamesh>Beer>Bardiche>Merry Weather=Alpha>Saki=Duffman>Li=Mr.Krabs
Especially the Krabs part.
Full claim if you would.

The reason I would prefer his end of day lynch is so we can talk about what happens after someone more active and with those connections get shot.  Shooting an active then lynching a lurker would be better.

Quote
I knew it was a cop of some sorts, hmm? The whole point of what I'm doing is because I have no idea what he's up to. Yes, it's some sort of rolecop. Is it purely a rolecop? What the hell is he doing with it, considering he hasn't given his result for Alpha yet? The fact that Duff Beer refuses to explain any of this is just annoying. I'm not trying to milk him for info, I'm legitimately curious. I obviously don't have a problem putting myself to such a test. Actually, yeah, apparently what I'm doing is stupid/scummy or something, so whatever, I'm doing it.
Since Barney's explaination for not wanting to get copped is, "it's annoying how he's doing it" I really don't like it.
Quote
# Votes =/= # Supporters. I hope this isn't new for you, since it shouldn't be. Now... #184, #193 and #196 should be enough examples for you. You had arguably the most influence over the voters at that point (proving this against me, Orange and even the early Alpha vote, all of which had turned into wagons). You were strongly approving of my Beer case, and it was pretty clear to be your second lynch, after Orange. Now, tell me, with Orange (and Beer) not posting yet, and with a vig in the air, how impossible was a Beer vote? Yeah, it was perfectly plausible. I was the only vote, yes. It didn't look like outrunning the Orange wagon at the time, yes. But I really did believe that a Beer lynch was perfectly possible, something that made me feel fine with how I left the day. That didn't end up being true, and I would have noticed this were I not gone. Unfortunately, I was gone, and now I'm facing CONSEQUENCES that I honestly did not see coming.
First of all, because I have strong voice you expected me to flip the wagon?  I don't see what you mean by linking my posts.
I do not like that you want to say a beer lynch is plausible with LESS time in the day?  I mean what?

To the lovely dear that suggested mass claiming, you had better be joking before she finds the stick to hit you with.  If and when the time comes to do that we will.

TO THE PERSON SHARING A NEIGHBORIZE WITH LI SHANG, CLAIM RIGHT NOW.

Also, I'm about to disown Duffman since he has said all of jack diddly doodly today when we need it more than ever with a scum flip.  Seriously what the hell?  They're slapfighting.
Cool.
So is it a townxtown scumxtown slapfight, what?  It's just a blowaway comment.  Please produce like yesterday.

And why isn't Barney in the to shoot: list?

(The players are obvious Merry?)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Faiz on October 28, 2011, 10:14:22 PM
Still don't feel like saying what blue and red do. I will, however, ##Pass Blue Gilgamesh.

Anyway.

Just like everyone else in this game (well, mostly everyone else). So it's not really a good point.
Except for the part where, out of everybody that Kanji mentioned, you were the only one he felt the need to label as "town". Everybody else he had marked as scummy or neutral, so that he could jump onto them later.

Your jumps onto other wagons were much much worse.
And if my jumps were so bad, then why would you stop voting me?

I didn't consider Orange as scummy as Bard at that point.
Yes, but this contradicts your previous behavior with votes, where you justified keeping your vote on me because you wanted to pressure me into giving a response. In this case, you found both Orange and Bardiche scummy, but had things that you wanted answered from the Orange. Why did you not vote for Orange to pressure him into answering? At what point did your though process on how votes should be used change?

I thought it might not be the best thing ever, but it was arguably the best I had.
Moreso than the two people you said that you were leaning scum on, and the person that you said that you had disliked in most of your posts up until that point?

I never said I thought Duffman was scum, I only said I had a gut read on him.
Yeah, a gut read of scum. I fail to see the difference, here.

Did you think Bardiche was an easy target then?
I meant that as in why the hell would you just be going after easy targets, instead of scum.

As I said, gut read. I feel no need to express my gut read more than a couple of times unless it changes.
But you seemed to be providing a read of everyone else that you found suspicious. Well, whatever.

Both parties involved in the Krabs vs. Barney look terrible, but I think that Krabs is worse.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 28, 2011, 10:25:44 PM
I don't stab my allies in the back. I don't know why they don't want to be named, but going ahead and outing them when they said they wanted to keep quiet is kind of a dick move.

I have no idea what to say to Gilgamesh because his vote on me is founded in something I can't defend. Though, why do you think I would fakeclaim a communication role to secure the lynch of a townie whose lynch was already essentially secured when it would cast doubt on me later?

Barney and Bardiche are both good shots targets. Barney looks scummier for the Duff Beer interactions, in my opinion, but I kind of figured Alpha wouldn't be willing to shoot him. Bard might deserve it more at this point for suddenly lurking out the current discussion, but I think Barney has been more polarizing and is probably the best vig target for the day.

Alpha why would you shoot Duff Beer asdjhdskgfkhjkj that is really fucked up. Do you think Kanji wanted to tunnel on his buddy and make said buddy the ED1 mislynch target!? I realllly can't imagine Duff Beer as anything but scum's initial intended mislynch for D1.

I don't think Duffman has deserted us and stopped reading the game even though he hasn't voted yet. Doesn't mean I don't want him to post his reads and vote, though.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 28, 2011, 10:27:34 PM
but I kind of figured Alpha wouldn't be willing to shoot him.
...which is why I was saying "shoot bard, lynch barney" earlier. If Alpha is willing to vig Barney then I am entirely supportive of that.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 28, 2011, 10:28:48 PM
DuffBeer you are about to get vigged.

Now is the time for last words.

Specifically try to answer all of this:

Your personal questionnarie (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg739799.html#msg739799)

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 28, 2011, 10:31:20 PM
You know what's fucked up?  Leaving me in the fucking dust.  This entire town is fucked up. 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 28, 2011, 10:32:04 PM
As in, fullclaim everything none of this "I don't wanna reveal-" no fullclaim everything. Now.

What do you mean, leaving you in the dust?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Faiz on October 28, 2011, 10:32:58 PM
Why would I cop you instead of Barney? Because if I wanted to check Barney's alignment, I think that death would be a better method. This also applies to Krabs and Gilgamesh.
If you're town, then you kind of do this thing where you're not dead.
Still not revealing blue and red, whoever is holding them can eat them whenever. They won't kill you is all I'll say.
Oh yeah, every color that isn't Blue, Red, or Yellow is a crayon. Crayons are tasty.
I didn't realize that Yellow would take longer to get the results because I didn't read the description where it said that I would get results at the end of a night phase.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 28, 2011, 10:34:52 PM
What is so hard about fullclaiming it?  One more try.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 28, 2011, 10:36:19 PM
As in, fullclaim everything none of this "I don't wanna reveal-" no fullclaim everything. Now.

What do you mean, leaving you in the dust?

The exact same feeling you have about Li.  Which I share.  No more stalling, I want full claims from both of them.

Cut.

Wtf.  Excuse me Let me read that again so I'm not parsing wrong.

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 28, 2011, 10:41:53 PM
My neighbor is currently not online and could not claim even if they were but it should be pretty obvious at this point anyway.

Still think that Duff Beer is a bad vig target. Shooting scum is preferable to shooting weird roles, and Duff Beer isn't scum.

Why do I need to fullclaim, or even claim anything other than my neighbor's identity? I'm willing to if there's a reason for it, I just don't see one.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 28, 2011, 10:42:44 PM
##VOTE ALPHA 60

I don't even have to read anything past your posts to realize you're being scummy as fuck right now.

Response of a Townie to being copped soon: Oh, well okay then! ^_^
Response of a Scum being copped soon: Oh noes well we'll see what happens lol nk
Response of a Serial Killer with a Dayvig: OMG SHOOT IT WITH FIRE.

WHY DO YOU SOUND LIKE THE SERIAL KILLER FROM DARKER THEN BLACK.

Now I'm back and I shall reread. <^_^> Unless Duff Beer unclaimed his truth serum, vigging him is a scum-claim. Just so you know.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 28, 2011, 10:47:54 PM
Once Duffbeer said post "you are aligned with town" It was pretty obvious that looked like a cop-check.   I was expecting to be cleared to-fucking-day.
 
Seriously what the hell is this? I've never seen anyone AS town complain that they weren't being confirmed fast enough. We let him live and he either confirms you as town, and CONGRATS YOU GET TO BE TOWN, or he says you're lying scum, and we have a 1 vs 1 where one of you is confirmed scum! Why the hell are you trying to hard to justify SHOOTING SOMEONE THAT'S COPPED YOU?!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 28, 2011, 10:48:27 PM
I kinda just want the neighbor Li, but I'm going to Brofist Duffman again for showing me the light.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 28, 2011, 10:50:15 PM
Ah, no homeboy.

I submitted to the "I am aligned with town obv-cop check" D1.  I ate the yellow pill, I've done EVERYTHING for Duffbeer.  And he turns around and says he didn't cop barney because he thought barney would get lynched.  Even if I believed that crap (and I most definitely don't), why not cop the 2nd scummiest? (for duffbeer that would be krabs).

His suspicion of me has been spurious at best, and his use of the red/blue pills make no sense if he's not demanding they be shoved down someone's throat. 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 28, 2011, 10:51:05 PM
Seriously what the hell is this? I've never seen anyone AS town complain that they weren't being confirmed fast enough. We let him live and he either confirms you as town, and CONGRATS YOU GET TO BE TOWN, or he says you're lying scum, and we have a 1 vs 1 where one of you is confirmed scum! Why the hell are you trying to hard to justify SHOOTING SOMEONE THAT'S COPPED YOU?!

And if he dies during the night?  Are you serious.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 28, 2011, 10:53:31 PM
^ This man speaks wise words.

Alpha, you're also stalling with your vig. You made a lot of noise about it yesterday, now you're making a lot of noise about it and I'm still not seeing results of this day vig. I'm starting to wonder if you even HAVE one.

As of right now I am totes in favour of lynching Bardiche due to continued silence now (hurfdurf LAL), and because I admit to some laziness in what I perceive to be a very lazy, very role-centric game. We're scrabbling around for roles and it's becoming less interesting when people WANT TO LYNCH PEOPLE FOR HAVING THE SAME ROLE, or focus SOLELY ON THEIR ROLE and forget about everything else.

I'm also fine with lynching the hell out of Alpha 60 for above reasons and because I think the entire Day Vig business is utter bullshit. You'll see, he'll fire and then OOPS IT DOESN'T WORK FOR SOME REASON.

Do you need the words again? HEART, FIRE, WIND, EARTH, WATER. There you go.

Now produce results, shoot whoever you think is the fucking scummiest based off of reasoning that doesn't go HURF DURF ROLES.

You. Guys. Suck.



Cut. Then he dies. There's odds of him surviving the night, there are NO odds of him surviving YOU SHOOTING HIM IN THE GODDAMN FACE.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 28, 2011, 10:54:06 PM
"^ This man" being Duffman.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 28, 2011, 10:55:38 PM
Also don't you think I might've I dunno vigged him D1 if I was worried?

I thought you said I was 3rd party with a dayvig? Or am I scum.  It's nice to get the story straight.

Yeah I'm gonna vig in a sec.  Gathering words now.  Format is important. 

Also roles ARE Important.  You're a wise ass.  And sick of this town.

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 28, 2011, 10:58:13 PM
They're not so important as to be the be-all and end-all of whether someone should die or not. If I claimed my role is Unicorn and I get to dart across the nightsky and shit rainbows, it doesn't indict me of being scum or town. YOU SHOULD NOT LYNCH OR SHOOT PEOPLE BASED ONLY ON THEIR GODDAMN ROLES.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 28, 2011, 11:12:29 PM
In the mean time, experience has taught me that anything connected to Ice, Water, or any substitute is completely and utterly awful, therefore ##Vote: Mr. Krabs.

4. About ... 20% logic. It's all about what's in your heart!


For reminding me of what it was like when I had the fire in me.  Now I am merely a shadow of my former self.
EARTH WIND SHADOW WOOD SWORD THUNDER POWER SPEAR!
CARDCAPTORS OF THE CLOW EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED NOW!

What on earth are you doing Alpha?

##GoPlanet: Duffbeer
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 28, 2011, 11:15:56 PM
Above: Alpha claims scum and shoots my neighbor buddy.

Jerk.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 28, 2011, 11:16:19 PM
Why are you insistent that I used your lacking activity D1 as a reason for suspicion? I did not. The only reason I mentioned that is because it made it so my opinion on you didn't change. Your D2 seemed like a repeat of D1 so I was inclined to continue the pressure but apparently that was unjustified. I ISO'd Bardiche, and like I pointed out, I found stuff that I didn't like, but these seemed more town-plausible mistakes than what I pointed out in your D1, which was pretty much what made me press on. So, yes, I made a mistake. Can you explain your absurd capitalization on this mistake? I think it was... a 'tad' too extreme, like Duffman showed nicely with very nice emoticons.
You didn't even put enough into your D2 case on me to make it a good case. Even if you don't want to say anything again, you can just link to where you said it. But what was really bad was the fact that you were voting me over Bardiche for three reasons that I easily countered. In fact, I'm not even sure if you've claimed anything either. And I'm sorry for the "absurd capitalization", I was getting a bit annoyed.
Except for the part where, out of everybody that Kanji mentioned, you were the only one he felt the need to label as "town". Everybody else he had marked as scummy or neutral, so that he could jump onto them later.
And if my jumps were so bad, then why would you stop voting me?
Yes, but this contradicts your previous behavior with votes, where you justified keeping your vote on me because you wanted to pressure me into giving a response. In this case, you found both Orange and Bardiche scummy, but had things that you wanted answered from the Orange. Why did you not vote for Orange to pressure him into answering? At what point did your though process on how votes should be used change?
Moreso than the two people you said that you were leaning scum on, and the person that you said that you had disliked in most of your posts up until that point?
Yeah, a gut read of scum. I fail to see the difference, here.
I meant that as in why the hell would you just be going after easy targets, instead of scum.
But if Kanji was mentioning his scumbuddies as town, then why not do it for all of his buddies? Surely there are more than two scum in a setup like this?
Because I had something better.
Because I was voting you for something scummy. I only wanted questions answered from Orange and I didn't think he was as scummy as Bard.
Pretty much.
I don't consider gut reads as "thoughts". I think with my mind, not with my gut. My gut reads are feelings.
Because it was all part of a plan to catch a potential scum.
Cut by vig. Which means I ddn't even have to answer DuffBeer's questions, I'll post my answers anyway.
Cut again.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 28, 2011, 11:18:07 PM
Oh fuck I read that as Duffman. <____< NEVERMIND I AM AN IDIOT

[pesco]hijacking this post to remind you derps to stop reading the thread in your main accounts[/pesco]
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 28, 2011, 11:20:36 PM
Kyonfacepalm.jpg

Duffman is having technical difficulties. Duffman will get some Barney x Krabs reading done (Krabs is still town by the way) while he waits to see what you've done to his sacred beverage.

PS Alpha your computer parts are slipping.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Pesco on October 28, 2011, 11:22:20 PM
Hey retards! Learn to logout or use a second browser.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 28, 2011, 11:23:04 PM
Possibly Because I'm over heating from rage.

I had to check my main account PM to check to make sure I got my vig right.

And I'm going to eat dinner, since I've been harassed by my family.  Have fun with w/e flip comes.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 28, 2011, 11:23:33 PM
And the answer to your question is seeming like a serial killer would make you a ______ ______.

Even people who aren't playing are cutting me now. ;_;
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 28, 2011, 11:24:13 PM
Welp it's kind of late, time to check on mafia before I call it a ...god almighty.

"Town is fucked up, reason to vig kind of probably town guy" :V

Actually I am especially annoyed by this because we may never get the answers I was pestering Beer for, which is just great. (not like he was going to answer me, but, just bleh)

I spy a Krabs cut. Will stay up a bit longer.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 28, 2011, 11:30:51 PM
Predicted end of day: Alpha 60 gets the fuck lynched out of him. orz
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Faiz on October 28, 2011, 11:34:11 PM
... Are you kidding me?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Faiz on October 28, 2011, 11:34:42 PM
I need to go to the dentist, if I'm dead when I come back, all I can say is fuck you.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 28, 2011, 11:36:04 PM
Yeah, seriously. You can tell us what the unused pills do now. I still have the red one though and I'd prefer it not be known what the pills people have do. Uh, last minute reads would be good too.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Skull on October 28, 2011, 11:36:21 PM
##Eat Blue Pill

On another note, Duffman is sprung up some quite valuable information.
When did Alpha 60 get so much leeway in his actions?

HOLY WHAT THE F?

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Faiz on October 28, 2011, 11:37:14 PM
Since Gilgamesh just ate it, blue is a roleblock.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 28, 2011, 11:37:47 PM
If the above post doesn't make it clear: other than his derp reasons for shooting I DON'T THINK ALPHA IS THAT SCUMMY except of course, now he shot and we can't be sure if he wasn't afraid Duff Beer'd out him upon being protected at night.

So yeah. I'm kinda head-in-hands at this game. This game. Gruh.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Den-O on October 28, 2011, 11:38:12 PM
My neighbor is currently not online and could not claim even if they were but it should be pretty obvious at this point anyway.

Still think that Duff Beer is a bad vig target. Shooting scum is preferable to shooting weird roles, and Duff Beer isn't scum.

Why do I need to fullclaim, or even claim anything other than my neighbor's identity? I'm willing to if there's a reason for it, I just don't see one.
Quote from: Li
Above: Alpha claims scum and shoots my neighbor buddy.

Jerk.
Quote
DUFFMAN

UH GUYS, I THINK LI IS SCUM.

UH WTF HAPPENED WHILE I WAS NOT HERE?!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 28, 2011, 11:39:31 PM
Yes, I lied. Duffman is not actually my neighbor buddy and chose not to counterclaim me because he hates catching scum.

<_______<

Also good job not posting until the vig was already used up.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Den-O on October 28, 2011, 11:42:41 PM
Quiet, I've been not posting for a combination of family reasons, school, lethargy, and various other things.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 28, 2011, 11:44:44 PM
Yes, I lied. Duffman is not actually my neighbor buddy and chose not to counterclaim me because he hates catching scum.

Ohshit Li x Duffman Scum OTP, Duffman SKILLFULLY HYPERZOMGVIGSUGGESTING Kanji.

A likely excuse.

wait what

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 28, 2011, 11:45:26 PM
Li is such a liarz. We have a totally sexy scum QT going. Tomorrow we're murdering Gilgamesh and Saki is our quicklynch for the win.

Saki: I didn't think Alpha was scummy either. I am of the opinion he is not likely scum. His reaction screams caught third party. I don't think in good conscience we should allow someone who shot someone about to lie detect them live. Unless Duff Beer flips scum.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 28, 2011, 11:48:04 PM
Even IF Duff Beer shoots scum I don't think we can in good conscience let someone live who FREAKED OUT OVER BEING COPPED.

Seriously.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 28, 2011, 11:48:16 PM
shoots = flips

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 28, 2011, 11:48:25 PM
Random replies out of the blue.

You didn't even put enough into your D2 case on me to make it a good case. Even if you don't want to say anything again, you can just link to where you said it. But what was really bad was the fact that you were voting me over Bardiche for three reasons that I easily countered.
I actually do not see this 'counter'. Bardiche is posting less, which I am assuming is because he's not active (his recent prod is testament to this). This means he's more likely to do mistakes that result from this lack of time. This connects to what I said immediately after; that his mistakes are easier to find reasons for. I am still puzzled by some of your D1, which I find much harder to explain than most of Bardiche's faults. Is my lynching you over Bard still illogical?

The problem I have with you now is how easily you took my mistake, which I admit is terrible, and used it to discount my entire case. Your harsh turn to "100% Barney scum read" also bothers me still, as even MW's admittedly convincing case left me simply as a "null tell", while my imperfect case makes me immediate scum. I really don't know how much "being really annoyed" covers for this.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 28, 2011, 11:50:39 PM
Am I the only one seeing this entire ordeal as HUGE AMOUNTS OF NOISE? "What's with the delay? Is there a vig at all?"
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 28, 2011, 11:51:43 PM
To clarify: this vig may still very well be fake. Or, at least I hope so. I don't even know what to think anymore.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 28, 2011, 11:57:22 PM
I know how we can check whether it is or not.

@Mod: Requesting a votecount.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 28, 2011, 11:57:43 PM
... I would HOPE a mod would factor in the vig before posting a votecount, anyway.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Serela on October 29, 2011, 12:01:07 AM
Goddamn stop killing people while I'm taking multi-hour naps

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

CAPTAIN PLANET, HE'S A HERO, GONNA BRING POLLUTION DOWN TO ZE-RO

And also gonna bring the scums down to zero too!

Well actually no, because Duff Beer was Druggy Donna.

Druggy Donna had three pills with varying effects upon being eaten, and an infinite supply of crayons; all of these objects being passable publicly during the day or anonymously during the night, and edible publicly or anonymously at any time.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Votecount was not reset because there are only 23 hours left in the day. Said votecount will come in a minute.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 29, 2011, 12:04:24 AM
##Unvote
##Vote Alpha 60
Agree with Saki and Duffman. Shooting Duff Beer was not town intended at all when Alpha was really the only person who wanted him dead. The vig could have been used on a likely lynch target such as Barney, Bardiche or Krabs, but Alpha went ahead and used it to avoid being copped. Really see no reason to let him survive the day at this point.

Duff Beer's flip doesn't change my reads too much because he was obvtown for me anyway, though I'd say it paints Barney's D1 in a worse light.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 29, 2011, 12:05:12 AM
@Barney: There you go again, using activity to form a reason. Those counters to your reasons for voting me over Bard are counters because I provided reasons for those things happening. Bardiche might be making more mistakes because he has less active time, but we all make mistakes regardless of active time. You can't vote someone for not being active unless they continue to do it and have only posted less than needed. I have posted a lot. That means that more of my posts are likely to have a mistake in them. People with less posts are less likely to have mistakes in them. See where I'm going with this? Just because those mistakes aren't the easiest to explain, doesn't mean there isn't a good reason for it happening. Maybe you need to look harder.

I didn't take your mistake and use it to counter your entire case. I only countered some of it with that mistake. The rest I countered with activity level discussion.
Because the main reason I'm voting you are for using false information to make a case (which you did admit was a mistake) and for using activity levels to prove a point.

lol cut four times
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 12:10:00 AM
Yep.
##Unvote
##Vote: Alpha 60


Wtf mate.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 29, 2011, 12:10:15 AM
Glad to see I'm painted in a worse light because I presented completely valid accusations against him.

Anyway, as much as lynching Alpha is tempting now, you gotta ask why scum would basically suicide like this, or have a vig to begin with. If he's a third party then, well, maybe we can get his support?

@Krabs cut: fair enough. Am I still your worst read at the moment?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 29, 2011, 12:13:04 AM
@Barney: You're currently my second choice now, Alpha is first for obvious reasons. But I'm keeping my vote on you until Alpha explains himself.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 29, 2011, 12:13:19 AM
No votecount reset? GOOD.
IT MEANS I DON'T HAVE TO MOVE MY VOTE FROM WHERE IT IS.
Congrats, you shot the lie detector.
Also I will now picture the player of Duff Beer stuffing crayons up his nose for three days.

And I agree Barney not wanting to post the aligned words (and him doing it after Alpha had already eaten the pill!) looks pretty bad.
I'm still rereading the slapfight, and it admittedly makes me waffle. DUFFMAN IS INDECISIVE OKAY.

Alpha why you do dis. We had broforce. DUFFMAN IS FILLED WITH UNRIGHTEOUS DEPRESSION.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Serela on October 29, 2011, 12:15:05 AM
>V-V-V-Votecount!  Highly Polluted Edition

Captain Li Shang (2) Bardiche, Gilgamesh
Duff Beer (0):
Alpha 60 (3): Duffman, Captain Li Shang, Saki Morimi
Saki Morimi (0)
Merryweather (0)
Mr.Krabs (1): Barney
Barney (3): Merryweather, Mr. Krabs, Megaman.EXE
Duffman (0)
Gilgamesh (0):
Megaman.EXE (1): Alpha60
Bardiche (0):

Not Voting: Nobody

23 hours left in the day. With 10 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch. Barney and Alpha60 are at L-3. Link to Countdown for D2 Deadline (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&month=10&day=29&year=2011&hour=19&min=&sec=&p0=745)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 12:16:58 AM
Even ignoring how he decided to just shoot whoever he wanted (that's really not AUTO-ANTI-TOWN ZOMG!), the fact he chose THE GUY CLAIMING TO COP HIM despite people telling him NOT TO SHOOT JUST BASED OFF OF ROLES is really, reaaaaally bad and I cannot in good conscience say that Alpha 60 should be kept alive. It is not Town motivated, it is panicked as if he doubts he'd turn up Town to that investigation.

Quote
Anyway, as much as lynching Alpha is tempting now, you gotta ask why scum would basically suicide like this, or have a vig to begin with. If he's a third party then, well, maybe we can get his support?

... If we're going to argue Third Parties can work Town-aligned I'm strangling every single one of you to propose it.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Den-O on October 29, 2011, 12:18:58 AM
Okay, wtf is going on right now? I'm confused and have little idea what's just happened for the past few hours.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 29, 2011, 12:21:30 AM
Sue me for trying to find rebuttal in what looks to be a rushed wagon.

I am literally oblivious to this yellow pill. Oh, and I actually did comply. Eventually. Only to find out he wasn't going to cop me to begin with. <_<
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 12:27:53 AM
Quote
Sue me for trying to find rebuttal in what looks to be a rushed wagon.

I will.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 12:30:35 AM
Let me phrase this a different way.

Alpha 60 is now confirmed Third Party. Why the FUCK would he NOT just claim immediately and promise to help Town instead of SHOOTING THE FUCKING COP and then pretending his nose is bleeding? This makes NO SENSE from ANY alignment.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 29, 2011, 12:46:20 AM
And DuffBeer flips town.

that's too fucking bad. 

The rest of you guys are farm animals.  You should all get a degree in herding and apply for the union of Irish shepards.

I'm feeling good about Megaman scum.  barney/krabs are still town/town.  The rest of you are up in the air.  I'm not gonna post for a while because RAGE and it's going on cooldown. 

I feel great about vigging Duffbeer.  I have no regrets.  Btw, I bet the red pill is one-shot bulletproof.  But I bet scum knows that because I'm 100% positive scum role-copped Duffbeer now that he's flipped town.

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Den-O on October 29, 2011, 12:51:05 AM
Okay, I have no idea wtf is happening right now, but I gotta go. Gonna be busy for a couple of hours.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 29, 2011, 12:52:13 AM
The rolecop died N1. Scum wouldn't know their results.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 29, 2011, 12:57:51 AM
Quote
Alpha 60 is now confirmed Third Party. Why the FUCK would he NOT just claim immediately and promise to help Town instead of SHOOTING THE FUCKING COP and then pretending his nose is bleeding? This makes NO SENSE from ANY alignment.

My claim is Wordy Wanda, and I use words to help me vig someone.

Yes, green means town. 

Make me a case for 3rd party instead of just "The vig makes no sense! Duffbeer claimed cop!"  because that much was obvious D1.  He failed to produce.  Question.  What would you guys have thought if he got roleblocked D3 and claimed he got RBed. 

O wait! "Hurr Durr, that's WIFOM! Clearly all will go as planned and Duffbeer was sure to produce a nice and tidy result by D3!"

It's ok guys.  I'm sure Duffbeer is saying fuck you from beyond the grave and spitting in my face.  Well Guess what. You have only yourself to blame, and I'm just as pissed off as you are.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 29, 2011, 12:58:46 AM
The rolecop died N1. Scum wouldn't know their results.

That's a pretty dumb assumption to make.  Like really dumb. 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 29, 2011, 01:00:16 AM
Oh I forgot.

That day vig was one time only.

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 29, 2011, 01:10:19 AM
You complied after the pill was eaten and it's ability was given. This means the threat to you of being copped had passed.
My Duffykins states yellow is a truth serum (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg739630.html#msg739630)
This is Barney saying the words way down here. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg739827.html#msg739827)

Alpha: It is a really good assumption to have made. Kanji died when the night ended. This means his rolecop results are still sitting in his inbox. You pushing for Duff Beer to claim on the assumption that scum MUST have copped him is invalid. Secondly as you knew very well, Duff Beer never had to publically do any actions. He was making himself into a target. That vig was horrible and you made yourself look horrible by it. On top of that, your sudden decision that Duff Beer was your number 1 suspect happens RIGHT AFTER HE SAYS THE PILL ISN'T WORKING YET. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg739799.html#msg739799) I note this because between you eating the pill, him saying it was truth serum, then his later confirmation that it needs to digest, you stopped talking. That makes it look like you were afraid you would be forced to speak the truth.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 29, 2011, 01:18:08 AM
Okay, I have no idea wtf is happening right now, but I gotta go. Gonna be busy for a couple of hours.
Are you just leaving because you're not the lynch target anymore? What happened is readable in a page or less. Do so and add your opinion on the vig and who the scum are. Duffman can turn this kegger around anytime.

I would like Krabs and Barney to stop pretending the rest of the thread isn't happening and to concentrate on what's going on right now. You two have done nothing but talk about each other all day. Barney is slightly less guilty of this, but guilty of other things, like postulating that Duff Beer had a malignant rolecop after the scum rolecop flipped. Not likely.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 29, 2011, 01:30:30 AM
Behold, the mistress of al evil will take over this post for the silly good fairies.

First I will reject Barney's idea that scum can't have a vig.  Moriya Shrine Mafia II  there you go.
Then you want to use third parites huh?  Can never do that, they can and will FUCK your ass over.

Now then this evil guy Alpha is just making a good name for the forces of evil.
Personal vendeta to kill a cop and then turns around and says, "ha ha fuck you all I don't want to help a town as awful as this, even when I think this other guy really is scum."
I mean damn, even I wouldn't do something like that.

As lovely as the Barney wagon is, I can see no reason to let this thing live. 
##Unvote:
##Vote: Alpha 60


Li, you said DuffBeer was who you neighborized last night and were in contact with?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Den-O on October 29, 2011, 01:31:13 AM
The fuck? I'm eating before I go and I see this.

Long Story short personal reason: Gotta help my dad work while my mom goes away to take care of my brother while he's recovering from back surgery.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 29, 2011, 01:32:54 AM
@Duffman: I already said something about it. I just didn't say that much. I said that Alpha is now my number one suspect for obvious reasons.
But I might just vote Alpha now. Because there is literally no town intent at all in his actions.

Okay I juust got cut by Merryweather who is lolwut with that green colour. I was going to vote for Alpha but I might hold off for a little while longer now.
Cut again by Bard
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Serela on October 29, 2011, 01:33:20 AM
>V-V-V-Votecount!  Highly Evil Edition

Captain Li Shang (2) Bardiche, Gilgamesh
Duff Beer (0):
Alpha 60 (4): Duffman, Captain Li Shang, Saki Morimi, Merryweather
Saki Morimi (0)
Merryweather (0)
Mr.Krabs (1): Barney
Barney (2): Mr. Krabs, Megaman.EXE
Duffman (0)
Gilgamesh (0):
Megaman.EXE (1): Alpha60
Bardiche (0):

Not Voting: Nobody

21.5 hours left in the day. With 10 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch. Alpha60 is at L-2. Link to Countdown for D2 Deadline (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&month=10&day=29&year=2011&hour=19&min=&sec=&p0=745)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 29, 2011, 01:43:30 AM
No, I'm neighbors with Duffman for today. I misread Alpha's vigpost.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Faiz on October 29, 2011, 01:43:47 AM
##Eat Fire Ants

This is my bah post.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 29, 2011, 01:52:39 AM
Actually I visiting a friend's dorm.  I actually saw Duffbeer post that the yellow pill was a truth serum when I was there.  I was overjoyed.  After my 3-hour train ride home, I saw that he said it wasn't taking effect yet.  That's when I got angry.

Now then.  I'm pretty sure somebody had to say "I am aligned with town."  which looks like a cop claim in thread, which already makes him a target.  so what if the pills are declared publically?  His response to me going to vig him D1 was "I'd rather claim by D2".  I gave him his day.  I asked for his claim.  "Eat the yellow one!"  Eaten.  OH oops, you'll get copped by D3.   It looked like scum stalling. 

As for the rolecop.  Ah, usually actions go through the night even if the person is killed.  I highly doubt Kanji's N1 result was sitting in the inbox and was more like.. i dunno.. made known to the scum QT through the mod.

His refusal to comply with a full-claim and his cop choice and explanation "people who are my top scum choices should be lynched, not copped" made no sense as town.  That's why I vigged.   

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 29, 2011, 01:53:26 AM
Also Merryweather is scum.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 29, 2011, 01:55:20 AM
Actually no.
That was a knee-jerk reaction.

Megaman still scum. 

I am not sure who the other is.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 29, 2011, 02:13:33 AM
Why won't you people let me have my private quicktopics? Nosy faeries. >:<
Yes, I've been chatting with Li and he seems like a fine upstanding townie. I'll ignore the threat of karma when I say that. <.<
I'm proud of Mr. Krubs for actually reading people's posts with votes in them before voting.

Can someone find me a link to a game where the rolecop results were posting in the scum quicktopic by the moderator? I'm pretty sure this has never happened before. As for why knowing what the pills do matters, of course it matters.  Scum already have a pile of information. Confirming to them what town has helps them more then it helps a bunch of town that don't need to know.

His explanation for the copping is amusingly similar to an argument in CotA about roleblocking secondary targets instead of main ones. I wonder if he's feeling the karma. I imagine since he was going to be CONFIRMED TOWN he didn't feel like he needed to comply. And he shouldn't have. The thing about cops claims is you WAIT FOR THE RESULT. It's not like we're in LYLO, it's Day 2 and we had a scum kill. You over-reacted and killed a Jack of all Trades with a confirmable roleclaim.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 29, 2011, 02:29:30 AM
"You over-reacted"

Possibly, but I gave him an ultimatum .  If he was a cop, why would he still refuse to tell about the other two pills when I said I WAS GOING TO VIG HIM OTHERWISE.  He'd lose the cop claim.  The entire time he didn't seem to give a damn about the fates of the red/blue pills.  I was thinking he might have been bulletproof or something.  It was mind-boggling.  I stuck to my guns and I don't regret it.  If you can look me in the eye and say that Duffbeer played his role as a townie should I'd be amazed. 

I'll summarize a Megaman case, but it basically boils down to being out of the loop and throwing out weak stances.  And gut.  Because my gut is amazing.  Now I want to do other things with my spiffy new computer.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 29, 2011, 02:30:34 AM
Also I'm pretty sure a game like that exists where a scum's action results were conveyed to the scum QT even though that scum died.  I'll see if I can find it.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 03:04:09 AM
Ugh, you know what, fuckit.

##Unvote

Call me tap-fucking-dancing crazy, but I believe Alpha 60 to have acted LIKE A MORON but not a scum-minded moron. His rationale holds up and SHUT UP I'LL ACCEPT IT IF HE FLIPS SCUM. Shut up.

This game has me all sorts of :PSYDUCK: and a post-game discussion regarding Alpha 60's actions can be facilitated, but I do not, repeat, DO NOT think that Alpha 60 acted as someone who feared the Cop result.

So I'm going back to what I was doing before. HEY BARD!

##Vote: Bardiche

I don't like:
- His constant excuses for inactivity, which seem to excuse the brief content of his posts except he never really makes up for any of this.
- I don't like his case on Li (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg739621.html#msg739621), especially if you consider he himself quickhammered someone he thought was Town with no warning whatsoever, cutting short any further possibility for discussion. "It was fun" does not an excuse make, nor does single-handedly deciding that discussion was dead 40 minutes before deadline.
- Hypocrisy in above that he's not looking much into the NK, yet speculates Alpha 60 would've been the NK.
- The above post also contains a quick case against Alpha 60, but no accompanying vote. He doesn't mention Alpha 60 again at all either.
- His logic for Scum Roleblocker (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg739621.html#msg739621) is silly; he's saying Bo Peep couldn't possibly have intended to roleblock more than protect, and that Bo Peep was therefore not seeing him as scum.
- He advices a kill on Gilgamesh (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738331.html#msg738331) under the pretense of connections. Ladies and gentlemen, Gilgamesh has done all of zilch. What connections? That he later argues you can use Day Vigs on useless people (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738341.html#msg738341) further seems to imply he didn't want Alpha 60 to shoot scum: he wanted to shoot "useless people". He also can't make up his mind on if Gilgamesh is scum (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738127.html#msg738127) or is useless that focusing on him is pointless (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738231.html#msg738231).
- I re-iterate that he at one hand agreed to Krabs case, then later "reboots logic" on Krabs and further doesn't mention him.
- He stays on Mandarin Orange all day to the point of NOT VOTING ANYONE ELSE, and leaves it at that for scumhunting.

tl;dr he's done some scummy shit so let's lynch him.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 03:09:41 AM
Also, why Alpha 60's logic checks out: because it utterly doesn't check out for any scum or third party acting under the optimum results movement.

Please consider:
If he's scum:
- Killing Duff Beer at Night is obviously the superior choice in addition to killing someone Town wants dead but isn't scum. This is still a net gain fo +1 with the Day Vig.
- Killing Duff Beer now would immediately get him suspicious and make people want to lynch him. REGARDLESS OF WHAT PEOPLE THINK, you do NOT want to be the centre of attention as scum.

If he's third party:
- See above, except he LOSES THE GAME WHEN HE DIES, so he'd be acting more preservation-minded. He is not acting preservation minded.

tl;dr.

Alpha 60 does not, DOES NOT, make sense as scum OR third party to me and so I REFUSE to kill him at this juncture, regardless of how much I think he is a piss off for doing what he did. He does not make sense as Town either, but I like him as Town a whole lot better than non-Town who randomly decides to make people look at him a lot by pulling Stupid Move #112.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 29, 2011, 03:58:13 AM
Hmmm.

Good enough for me, (who the fuck told you to talk Malificent?)  Alpha's explainations for this are just bad play and I'm willing to roll with it for today since he's acting town again. 
##Unvote:
##Vote: Bardiche


I buy this case all the way as he supports it and would love you all to BW Bardiche. 

Barney has been fucking with bad logic and being bad all day but it feels just too strange for me to honestly say "This is scum being glaringly obvscum."  Even if he's trying to do that end the day being the sole supporter of his lynch thing again.  Krabs ain't happenin', who's the scum now?
This is aided by the fact that I don't like some people on his wagon, (Hi Megaman, I'm going to kill you tomorrow since you don't listen to a damn word I say) and this Bardiche one is really something.  I know I defended Bard with his case thing against Li but I'm feeling better about Li since now that he's revealed his partner and think they are both town.
So let's just get the scum lynch of today rolling.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 29, 2011, 04:04:16 AM
God damnit.

##Unvote
##Vote: Bardiche


Duffman isn't sure he agrees with your logic on Bardiche but he reluctantly agrees about Alpha. Duffman is getting extremely good sensations from his last few posts. Duffman is still angry and isn't going to share any of his booze with Alpha. YOU DON'T DESERVE ANY DUFF BEER.  Li is a much manlier drinking partner.

Bardiche's contributions to today has been to go hey guys what's going on? and leave.
Gilgamesh's contributions to today have been lol wait there aren't any.
Megaman's contrib(ry

That and Barney and Krabs.. both of them refused to post they were aligned with town..
oh my god why did you shoot the cop aaaaaaaaaaa
EVERYONE IS SCUM!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 04:05:25 AM
Quote
EVERYONE IS SCUM!

WELCOME. TO. MY. GODDAMN. LIFE.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 04:07:18 AM
Also, with whose logic? Merryweather's or mine?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 29, 2011, 04:11:36 AM
I was never asked to post "I am alinged with the twon".
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 29, 2011, 04:14:00 AM
^Saki, I was posting before I was cut by meddling faeries.
Krabs, it doesn't matter if you were never asked. You should be happy to do it anyways. Say it not with me. <^_^>
I AM ALIGNED WITH THE TOWN
I AM THE TOWN, IT'S ME!

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 04:16:53 AM
18 hours until end of day. I am going to sleep, and when I return I am hoping we do NOT have ninja hammers and we DO have the following:

- Gilgamesh making an honest to fucking hell post detailing who he finds scum and why.
- Megaman making an honest to fucking hell post detailing why Barney is the scums.
- Bardiche deigning to respond to the votes leveled at him.
- Barney elaborating who is scum beside Mr Krabs, and/or why Mr Krabs is the SUPERIOR choice regarding all of this.
- Duffman getting over the loss of his goddamn beer and Merryweather stopping with the glow effects forever because holy hell I do not want to read that again.

OK? And when we get all these things, Saki will be happy. Saki might even smile like her avatar shows.

If we don't get all these things, well. Saki won't be happy. Saki likes being happy, so please fulfill her reasonable requests, or else provide a reasonable excuse at your nearest opportunity on why you failed to comply.

Merryweather and Duffman may ignore it, simply because it's more of a joke request than a real one. K? K.



Cut. OK Duffman, what about my Bardiche logic do you find off, and why do you vote him in spite of that? Let's have a discussion about that since NO ONE GODDAMN ELSE IS DISCUSSING ANYFUCKINGTHING.

Also, remember there is a goddamn Mime according to Gilgamesh, and two of his three roles are confirmed either by death or by claim, so that leaves the Mime unaccounted for. It may be able to mimick Duff Beer's powers and if so I hope to fucking god that person's town-aligned.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 04:17:17 AM
IOW, posting
"I am aligned with the Town."
isn't so crazy an idea.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 29, 2011, 04:22:13 AM
See, even Saki has reason to hate that bitch. :P

I am aligned with the town.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Serela on October 29, 2011, 04:30:52 AM
Megaman.EXE has asked for a replacement.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 29, 2011, 04:32:49 AM
Duff Beer for me~
Duff Beer for you~
I'll have a Duff~
You have one too~


This day started with what was it, five votes on Bardiche? It feels like we're going in circles. Process of Elimination says that if we hold firm with the townie voting block townies and eliminate the non-town reads we'll win by numbers. Bardiche is more guilty by virtue of being here and saying nothing. The other two at least have the excuse of being absent. Though my patience wanes. I SURE WISH WE HAD A VIG TO SHORT THAT OUT sgjnmdsgmsdfjkg
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 29, 2011, 04:44:41 AM
I am aligned with the town.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 29, 2011, 04:46:18 AM
I am aligned with town.

Yeah so Saki is town and no longer unreadable as ever.   Still not exactly in the mood to post, but I figured I might as well refresh that.  Oh, and ya Li looking town.  I know I'm gonna be called "cop-shooter" for a while but I will stand by my decision to vig Duffbeer for as long as this game lasts. 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 29, 2011, 07:26:06 AM
Mrr. Some quick math says I'm not going to be here for the deadline. Unless I master teleportation. We'll see how that goes. Closing thoughts: Li Shang and Saki are bros on the townie express. Merryweather is still town. Alpha is riding in the coach. Krabs is kind of dangling on the back of the caboose going WHEEE! STAY TOGETHER TOWNIES AND WE WILL MAKE IT TO THE LIGHT!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Den-O on October 29, 2011, 07:29:49 AM
I'm back and WTF

First off, this bullshit
Quote
Are you just leaving because you're not the lynch target anymore?
Remind me to bash your face in after this game for asking another retarded question towards me. This is a stupid question and I should not have answered it in the first place if not for the fact that it pissed me off.

Quote
I don't like:
- His constant excuses for inactivity, which seem to excuse the brief content of his posts except he never really makes up for any of this.
- I don't like his case on Li, especially if you consider he himself quickhammered someone he thought was Town with no warning whatsoever, cutting short any further possibility for discussion. "It was fun" does not an excuse make, nor does single-handedly deciding that discussion was dead 40 minutes before deadline.
- Hypocrisy in above that he's not looking much into the NK, yet speculates Alpha 60 would've been the NK.
- The above post also contains a quick case against Alpha 60, but no accompanying vote. He doesn't mention Alpha 60 again at all either.
- His logic for Scum Roleblocker is silly; he's saying Bo Peep couldn't possibly have intended to roleblock more than protect, and that Bo Peep was therefore not seeing him as scum.
- He advices a kill on Gilgamesh under the pretense of connections. Ladies and gentlemen, Gilgamesh has done all of zilch. What connections? That he later argues you can use Day Vigs on useless people further seems to imply he didn't want Alpha 60 to shoot scum: he wanted to shoot "useless people". He also can't make up his mind on if Gilgamesh is scum or is useless that focusing on him is pointless.
- I re-iterate that he at one hand agreed to Krabs case, then later "reboots logic" on Krabs and further doesn't mention him.
- He stays on Mandarin Orange all day to the point of NOT VOTING ANYONE ELSE, and leaves it at that for scumhunting.

- When did I state I found Orange Town? Please, say once where I stated I found him town. And how does hammering somehow discredit my case on Li?
- BECAUSE MY ROLE DICTATES THAT I TRY TO PREDICT THE NIGHT KILL. YOU KNOW WHY?! BECAUSE I CLAIM FUCKING WATCHER. I TARGETED ALPHA 60 EXPECTING HIM TO BE NK'D, AND INSTEAD I END UP GETTING BLOCKED. AND HOW IS THAT HYPOCRISY?! I WAS NOT GOING TO LOOK THAT MUCH INTO THE NK, BUT I'M STILL GOING TO TRY AND PREDICT IT.
- AND HOW DOES THAT MAKE ME SCUM? I WAS WEARY OF HIM, BUT NOT SEEING HIM AS SCUM.
- LOOK AGAIN. DUFFMAN (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg739312.html#msg739312) SUGGESTS THAT BO PEEP DIDN'T BLOCK ME. I (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg739296.html#msg739296) THOUGHT BO PEEP WAS THE ROLEBLOCKER. YOU KNOW WHO PUT UP THE IDEA THAT SCUM ROLEBLOCKED ME? THIS (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg739580.html#msg739580) GUY (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg739600.html#msg739600).
- HERE'S GILGAMESH'S POST (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738068.html#msg738068). HERE, HE BANDWAGONS KRABS, A TOWN READ ON LI, AND SLIGHT SUSPICION ON DUFFMAN. THIS LOOKS AROUND THE SAME LEVEL OF CONNECTIONS WE GOT FROM KANJI. STILL CONNECTIONS HERE. IN ADDITION, WHY WOULD SCUM WANT TO KILL USELESS TOWNIES?! TOWN WANTS TO GET RID OF USELESS TOWNIES THAT WOULD GET IN THE WAY OF TOWN.
- AND SO? MANY PEOPLE HAVE DONE THAT. YOU SINGLING ME OUT FOR IT?

OH, SO WE'RE SAYING WE'RE ALIGNED WITH TOWN NOW? WELL LET ME SAY IT THEN.

FUCK TOWN, AND WHY THE HELL AM I ALIGNED WITH YOU?! GET ME OUT OF THIS DAMNED GAME.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: BARDICHE!


BECAUSE FUCK THIS GAME
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 29, 2011, 09:27:52 AM
I am aligned wit-- oh wait I already did this and it turned out to be completely useless!

Bardiche needs to calm the hell down. Last time someone lost their temper (hint: today) things did not go well.

"You didn't talk about anything but Krabs" is not true, seeing as I was glaringly trying to avoid an Alpha wagon, and Saki summarized things nicely; this guy does not make sense to be anything but town. Doesn't help that I had steady town vibes from him for most of the game. Actually, let's talk about his wagon: was it town-motivated or scum-motivated? I'm honestly getting scum vibes here, but I guess PISSED TOWNIES is an option so I can't really tell.

Once Bardiche cools their boner: do you think you can provide more content than desperate "I'M PISSED OFF" defense? Are you still behind your Li vote?

I don't back this scum!Megaman theory. He's not posted much and all of his votes have been on me, but I don't see any problem with them. Can someone show me the light here?

After this vig ordeal I honestly don't feel as great with my town reads right now. Everything got fucked up~. MW is probably the most reasonable. Although, both his and Duffman's transition to Bardiche look kind of lacking; Saki's case is fair, but far from perfect. Can't you contribute anything more? Saki himself has yet to say pretty much anything on me, not now and not when I was in the red. Li's D2 looks fine but he was never oozing town spirit in my eyes to begin with.

I will not support a Bardiche wagon at the moment, despite how I earlier placed him at second place. I would still want better explanations to the Duffman and MW jump, since all I'm getting so far is "he's the worst option". I would also want more Bardiche content before any possible Bardiche flip. This is self-explanatory.

Gilga needs to make an opinion (hell: post) RIGHT NOW. With current happenings he is probably my second pick right now, by process of elimination. And this is not a second pick I am happy with.

...

Is my vote actually staying on Krabs? Dear god, even I didn't expect this. Post what you think about Bardiche, others should probably post what they think about Bardiche, but for now I have no reason to change. To MW's request: yes, if this gets no support, I'll change. I'm not going to make the same mistake twice.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 29, 2011, 09:41:25 AM
There isn't really much to say about Bardiche that hasn't already been said. I agree with a lot of what has been said.
He's probably my first scumpick now. Because Barney is looking slightly more townish now. But I'm keeping my vote on Barney because Bard is at L-2.

Now that I think about it, I agree with Saki about Alpha. It wasn't full of town intent, but it wasn't full of other intent either.

Oh, I may not be around at deadline either. It all depends on when I wake up.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Serela on October 29, 2011, 02:12:09 PM
>V-V-V-Votecount!  Swingset Edition

Captain Li Shang (1) Gilgamesh
Duff Beer (0):
Alpha 60 (1):  Captain Li Shang
Saki Morimi (0)
Merryweather (0)
Mr.Krabs (1): Barney
Barney (2): Mr. Krabs, Megaman.EXE
Duffman (0)
Gilgamesh (0):
Megaman.EXE (1): Alpha60
Bardiche (4): Saki Morimi, Merryweather, Duffman, Bardiche

Not Voting: Nobody

9 hours left in the day. With 10 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch. Bardiche! is at L-2. Link to Countdown for D2 Deadline (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&month=10&day=29&year=2011&hour=19&min=&sec=&p0=745)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 03:15:22 PM
I hate this entire game and I'm still perfectly fine with lynching Bardiche. If every time someone had a case on them the One True Response is to Flip The Fuck Out then you should get out of this game, ass first.

Quote
AND HOW DOES THAT MAKE ME SCUM? I WAS WEARY OF HIM, BUT NOT SEEING HIM AS SCUM.

I thought you meant "wary", and substituted it as "this is a case on Alpha 60". If you meant "weary" as in tired, then I stand corrected but as it stands you opened the Day with pointing out why Alpha 60 is bad and then leaving.

Regarding roleblocks, you literally stated that a scum roleblocker makes sense, before talking about jailkeeper. Alright, point taken: you are not speculating that Bo Peep wouldn't have tried to block a suspicious Bardiche but I still dislike the proposal of a scum roleblocker without evidence to support it. I'll let that point fly against you.

Quote
IN ADDITION, WHY WOULD SCUM WANT TO KILL USELESS TOWNIES?!

Letting Town waste their shots on people who're useless is about as good as it gets. Getting them to waste it on the Towniest is going to require herculian effort. Town wants to get rid of non-Town, like Scum. Or third party.

Lots of people stuck a vote on Mandarin Orange and then called it a Day. Indeed. Does this make it an OK thing to do? Fuck no. Is your defence seriously "everyone else did it so it's okay"?

So no, not letting off on my vote here no matter how much captain capslock might start cussing.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 03:19:15 PM
Barney I plainly said I didn't feel strong about lynching you, what more do you want me to say on you? I mentioned you a few times, do I need a wall of text and linked paragraphs to make that valid? :derp:

I felt the case against you was fair for D1. Now that we're in D2, I like looking at other things than "cheerlead lol" and you're since being reasonable and I don't read your posts and go OMG WTF. Your main choices being Krabs and Gilgamesh does make me kneejerk but I can see why you'd want to suspect Gilgamesh and Krabby of being scum; I just deign not to do so because they strike me more as noobderp and useless, respectively. :derp:
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Skull on October 29, 2011, 03:22:31 PM
I am aligned with Town
"I am aligned with Town"

I refuse to vote for Bardiche.

@Saki: I can not tell if you want Alpha 60 dead, or you want Alpha 60 alive.
Your points state Alpha 60 as not being scum, third party, or town. Then what is he?
Your points on Alpha 60 not being scum can also be interpreted as WIFOM.
Also, did you intentionally type "I am aligned with the town" wrong?

...Wait you're asking "third party" Alpha 60 to work with town when earlier you said
... If we're going to argue Third Parties can work Town-aligned I'm strangling every single one of you to propose it.
...It is like your dismissing the possibility of "Third Party" backstabs.

Also for some people who don't read.
Megaman.EXE is getting replaced.

If I'm forced to move my vote, I will prefer Barney over Bardiche. Bardiche has claimed while Barney has not.

I wish for this to be answered v
@Li Shang: You soft claimed about communication role. I want to know if you can target someone other then Duffman.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 03:49:50 PM
Seriously not? I want him alive because I think he's Town. How can you misread so much?

It doesn't make sense from any alignment, but even less from the other two than from a Town-perspective. BEFORE THIS SHIT, I didn't want to lynch him, and AFTER THIS SHIT I don't see why I'd want to lynch him OTHER THAN THIS SHIT, and it doesn't make sense for either scum or Third party to want to do this.

But a Town Alpha 60? He'd be thinking he was shooting as Towniest as could be, and his stated logic supports this.

How does that line read as dismissing third party backstabs? Because it's saying I'll strangle whoever will argue to keep third parties alive to work with Town.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 04:58:49 PM
Also I don't mean to impress any sense of hurriedness or whatever but we have six hours from this post to get to a lynch. Everyone understands NOT lynching is NOT ideal, right?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 29, 2011, 05:56:56 PM
Posting to say I woke up now after a late night.

I'd vote Bardiche over barney anyday, but Megaman's last content post felt so very wrong.  At the moment I'm going over his posts to solidifty a feeling of dislike I've had since the first content post wherein he voted barney.

Bardiche, it was tempting for me to self-vote and say "fuck this game" as well, but I couldn't do it.  I'd suggest making a case on who you think is scum.  Last I checked that was Li, although that seems out-dated.
Also I'm hounding you about orange not because you changed your read of him from "scum to town" (which didn't happen, since you have repeatedly said it went from scum to neutral), but why you were satisfied with orange such that your read of him went from scum to null.   What changed your read and Why?  I'm not convinced of your lynch but Barney is town4lyf and being obstructionist doesn't do you favors.

I'm guessing town isn't going to suddenly switch to megaman?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 29, 2011, 06:32:16 PM
No we can't hold a Megaman today, yadda yadda have to get him tomorrow which is urgh. 

Need some consolidation here. I'm going to stick with Bardiche. He inched out over Barney. I will lynch Barney if Bard doesn't happen though don't fret.

Gilgamesh needs to read before he posts.  I'm going to answer Li's question for him.
You don't need to know so shut the fuck up.
Li also isn't happening today. Which of the two wagons do you support? 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 29, 2011, 06:38:56 PM
...the sudden swing off of Alpha confuses me but I don't really know what to say (still not following Saki's logic entirely on him). I would rather lynch Barney if we lynched somebody other than Alpha but I get the impression any lynch other than Bardiche is highly unlikely at this point. I'll be around to switch to him if needed because NL is awful.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 29, 2011, 06:40:10 PM
##Unvote
##Vote Barney

Forgot this.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 29, 2011, 06:42:16 PM
On that note, if Bard is town then he should stop being an asshole and vote somebody who isn't himself. <_<
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Skull on October 29, 2011, 06:44:59 PM
@Saki: Well thank you for clearing things up.

@Merryweather: ...Holy shit you kidding me?
I can't even ask a plausible question to clear things up for me?
Then you ask me a question right after you tell me specifically to "SHUT THE FUCK UP"
Are you kidding me?

Also, are you all going to utterly ignore Bardiche's claim?

How many of you even read through Bardiche's post?

You want to know which lynch I'm going to support?
##Unvote
##Vote Barney

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 29, 2011, 06:52:11 PM

-cuts-

Ok while I'm in the middle of this case, let me point out to Gilgamesh that Barney has yet to claim his role and should probably claim since with the last two votes and Bard's eventual vote on Barney, the wagons are close.  I'd have to check the numbers.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 29, 2011, 06:54:40 PM
Actually Barney isn't voting Bardiche yet and Krabs said he'd vote Bardiche so nvm.  Bardiche still has more supporters for his lynch.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 29, 2011, 06:55:07 PM
Yes I'm telling you to stop rolefishing and shut up because you don't need to know what Li can and cannot do. No reason whatsoever to know.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Serela on October 29, 2011, 06:57:03 PM
>V-V-V-Votecount! Barney The Purple Dinosaur Edition

Captain Li Shang (0)
Duff Beer (0):
Alpha 60 (0):
Saki Morimi (0)
Merryweather (0)
Mr.Krabs (1): Barney
Barney (4): Mr. Krabs, Megaman.EXE, Captain Li Shang, Gilgamesh
Duffman (0)
Gilgamesh (0):
Megaman.EXE (1): Alpha60
Bardiche (4): Saki Morimi, Merryweather, Duffman, Bardiche

Not Voting: Nobody

4 hours left in the day. With 10 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch. Barney and Bardiche are at L-2. Link to Countdown for D2 Deadline (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&month=10&day=29&year=2011&hour=19&min=&sec=&p0=745)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 07:12:53 PM
Agreeing with Merry here, Gil: you do not rolefish. It's bad habits.

I don't care about Bardiche's roleclaim because scum can lie, and a scum watcher in a role madness game isn't terribly idiotic.

The Barney wagon has Krabs, Megaman and Gilgamesh on it. Do forgive me if I don't find that spelling too much good.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 29, 2011, 07:23:53 PM
Alright. I re-read megaman.  I don't like his cases on Barney and I think points made towards other people not named Barney were easy to come by.

This case on Barney boils down to cheerleading easy krabs case + not looking at anyone besides krabs (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738220.html#msg738220), which is flawed in two ways. 

1) using the buzzword "cheerlead" when the person in question has filed his first thoughts whilst admitting to needing to reread others is indicative of not being able (or not caring to) step into somebody else's shoes.
2) If a townie thinks someone is scum, they will try to get out the scum read first before all else.  Because really, that's momst of what matters.  Barney not talking about others besides Krabs in his first vote-post is not scummy. 

The rest of the post is mostly easy opinions "Gil = useless", "Bardiche needs to post".  However I did like the comment about KRABS FENCE REMOVAL, but at the same time Megaman didn't think Krabs was scummy so I never saw why this was irratating to him.

Waffle on orange (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738345.html#msg738345) but yet can't understand why orange is the leading wagon. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738615.html#msg738615)

With no statement saying why Barney is the better choice in these two posts I see scum looking out for themselves here, cutting ties with the town wagon.

I can only see this as conforming with the town lynch.  No 2nd opinions or any fight to keep thinking of Barney as scum (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg738707.html#msg738707)

until it's suitable. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg739875.html#msg739875)

Calling Barney out on rehashing a Krabs case doesn't really make sense when Barney seems to be comparing and contrasting different people.  It seems original if pretty bizzare (I thought i saw a lot of "Krabs haz connections!" in that Barney post).

It's not like Megaman isn't "rehashing" the "Barney case" with "D1 cheerleading still stands"  >___>.   

The rest of the post is a whole lot of nothing.  I already mentioned how hating on how Gilgamesh used his role last night makes no sense and seems like padding unto a general "gilgamesh still sucks, notice people!"  Scumplaining that useless town aren't being looked at har enough.

The rest can't be verified because Megaman hasn't commented on DuffBeer, Bardiche, Me, Merry or anyone else there.

In general I don't think megaman is putting his head in the game so to speak.

---

I have to leave for a party, so I don't be around after this post.  I didn't expect leaving for another 3 hours but w/e.

##Unvote
#Vote: Bardiche


Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 29, 2011, 07:26:54 PM
That isn't the Barney case I'm seeing, though.

Barney is scum for trying to avoid getting tied up in the lie detector shenanigans and discouraging others from claiming to be town because he didn't want Alpha investigated, and also because Kanji swung the wagons toward the orange and away from Barney in the middle of D1. Those are the two largest strikes against him. Not looking at anybody beside Krabs is ANNOYING but not the main reason he's scummy.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 29, 2011, 07:27:34 PM
Also, you do realize you put Bard at L-1, right?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 29, 2011, 07:28:13 PM
I ask Barney to roleclaim anyway.  He's a very plausible lynch and he's doing that sole lynch thing again.

I need to reread both again.
##Unvote: 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 29, 2011, 07:29:39 PM
Also I don't think bo peep would have targeted bardiche.  if bardiche is scum he's lying about the RB.  Why he would claim RB in this case?  I really don't know.

Yes.

I have to go.

I'd have preferred to hear from both again.  But I have a town read for Barney, and Bardiche hasn't given me anything to work with.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 29, 2011, 07:32:21 PM
Quote
Barney is scum for trying to avoid getting tied up in the lie detector shenanigans and discouraging others from claiming to be town because he didn't want Alpha investigated

I disagree with this.  I can't stay though peopel are calling for me to leave.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 07:34:04 PM
I go ?.? at Merryweather for at one hand discouraging rolefishing and on the other demanding so many roleclaims.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 29, 2011, 07:44:06 PM
Li isn't getting lynched Barney is -this- close to it and it's honestly almost a toss up for me right now, Barney needs to claim.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 07:57:10 PM
Right, fair enough. The people on Barney's wagon aren't the towniest around, so I don't really consider it much. >_>
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 29, 2011, 08:27:28 PM
I'm back and oh boy.

Regarding the sole vote, yeah, that can't really stay. It's either me or him it seems, and so far I've been waiting for a proper defense that never showed up. No reason to delay this any further.

##Unvote
##Vote: Bardiche


Pubclaiming is something I wasn't in a hurry to do, but guess I don't have a choice. Not like scum would waste a NK on me anyway.

Hi, I'm Resistant Rebecca, the untargetable.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 08:30:31 PM
As in, you cannot be targeted by Night Actions?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 08:30:56 PM
Or as in, you are IMMUNE to them? This distinction is important, shut up, rolefish etc etc.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 29, 2011, 08:31:55 PM
Yup. And as the sentence before that implied, this includes kills.

Basically I only fry if you kind people decide I'm scum!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Serela on October 29, 2011, 08:32:14 PM
>V-V-V-Votecount! Two Wagons Edition

Captain Li Shang (0)
Duff Beer (0):
Alpha 60 (0):
Saki Morimi (0)
Merryweather (0)
Mr.Krabs (0):
Barney (4): Mr. Krabs, Megaman.EXE, Captain Li Shang, Gilgamesh
Duffman (0)
Gilgamesh (0):
Megaman.EXE (0):
Bardiche (5): Saki Morimi, Duffman, Bardiche, Alpha60, Barney

Not Voting: Merryweather

2.5 hours left in the day. With 10 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.  Barney is at L-2. Bardiche is at L-1. Link to Countdown for D2 Deadline (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&month=10&day=29&year=2011&hour=19&min=&sec=&p0=745)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 08:41:49 PM
Cannot be targeted then. Gotcha. That sounds incredibly powerful. I once again question Serela's balance and my own sanity for joining. Gimme time to digest that, I'm not sure what to think of it. Kneejerk reaction is WHAT THE FUCK SERELA.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 29, 2011, 08:46:26 PM
I'm reading the claim as null. He's definitely not lying, since it's a provable role, but I think it works for either alignment, so it doesn't affect my opinions. I disagree with Saki that the role is entirely OP as town, though, because it also stops him from getting cleared by investigative roles, getting targeted by the neigborizers, etc.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 29, 2011, 08:52:16 PM
...actually, I'm not seeing how the role is overpowered at all if he's town? It basically just puts him in the "complete null tell outside of what he posts in the thread" category all game, so it's entirely dependent on player skill. That's the one of the least bullshit role madness roles I can think of, actually, though it could probably do without the bulletproof. <_<

Bleh, I'm finding myself doubting my read on Barney a little now. Should probably re-read the thread and compare him and Bard.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 29, 2011, 08:55:01 PM
Like Li explained, untargetable is actually a burden to town most of the time, since it can cause some havoc, mislynches, etc., etc. unless you play smart. Which is why it's usually a town role.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 08:59:09 PM
... I guess that's something I didn't look at. You are right, I suppose.

Guh, I hate role madness.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 29, 2011, 09:02:22 PM
Further thought shows that if Barney is untargetable, he is essentially scum's Godfather equivalent, so the Kanji wagon swing still worries. I also haven't been convinced that the Duff Beer interactions don't look horrible, town doesn't want to deny town information. Alpha still irks me in all honesty, but his situation was different because he was affected by Duff Beer personally. Barney was just trying to stop Duff Beer's role from being used on another player.

So no, the claim doesn't alter my take on the situation. However, I'm still willing to hammer Bardiche if we need the lynch and nobody else is around to, because his D1 still looks quite horrible to me. I just find Barney harder to buy because it looked like he smokescreened in an attempt to stop an investigative role from being used, and that was really the deciding point against him for me today.

Going to re-read anyway to see what I find, but I don't expect it to be particularly mindblowing.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 29, 2011, 09:03:02 PM
Cool.  Gilgamesh can confirm this with whatever he does, so I would love it if he targeted Barney tonight.

And I... wait a minute.  Are you a paranoid gun owner?

I mean scum already lost one to you so they won't fall for it again, claiming if you are or not will not hurt.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 09:07:23 PM
I don't think Barney killed Kanji, Merry.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 29, 2011, 09:07:46 PM
Nope. I'm pretty sure the PM would have told me (and I would have let you know) if I was.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Den-O on October 29, 2011, 09:11:16 PM
##Unvote
##Vote: Barney
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 29, 2011, 09:12:00 PM
Alright, I'm calling bullshit on this claim.

You are untargetable.

You refused to allow THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD GET COPPED and not be a null mofo all game to happen and stall it.  Fuck.

Cut by the L-1 I want final words since I'm ready to vote you.
[color]
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 29, 2011, 09:14:40 PM
I am immune to everything.

I did not think that would affect me and still do not think so.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 09:16:22 PM
(http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo287/JacquesLiberty/phoenix_wright_hold_it.png)

Before ANY hammers drop I'd like everyone to state, without arguing why you are right or any logic to it[/u] who you want dead if you had the ability to kill someone right now, excluding Barney as a choice option. If you have no such person feel free to say so or hold your tongue.

I find this information to be vitally important, and it is related to gambits.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 09:16:56 PM
To lead, I would murder Bardiche right this very instant if I could.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Den-O on October 29, 2011, 09:17:49 PM
In response, you.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 29, 2011, 09:18:26 PM
I believe it's already apparent that if I had to kill somebody who wasn't Barney, I'd go for Bard.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 29, 2011, 09:20:33 PM
Knowing this, isn't it more logical why I tried not to get myself into that mess anyway?

Remember what I said about causing havoc? How much havoc would be caused when I digest a pill and then claim untargetable? Or don't digest it because I claim untargetable?

@Saki: Krabs, although I wouldn't be extraordinarily happy with it.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 29, 2011, 09:23:20 PM
This flip means a lot though right now I would choose Bardiche.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 29, 2011, 09:27:19 PM
Saki, how many responses do you want before you explain what this is for and we lynch somebody? I don't think very many people are around right now.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 29, 2011, 09:29:31 PM
Barney, no last minute reads you want to give on people?  You are about to die you know.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 09:29:37 PM
I can't explain today. I'll explain in full tomorrow, whereupon hopefully the results of my nightly escapades will harmonise in a satisfying way. That's... yeah, that's really all I should say about it.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 29, 2011, 09:30:48 PM
Uh how am I dying when I just threw your theory out of the water?

Yeah, there's no way I or anyone else is going to let you hammer without explaining why my claim ENFORCES your scum read on me than the other way around.

In theory, I have all the time in the world until you do this.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Skull on October 29, 2011, 09:31:14 PM
Emotionally I want to shoot Merryweather
Theorically I want to shoot Li Shang
Logically I want Barney dead.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 29, 2011, 09:31:50 PM
One more try.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 29, 2011, 09:32:19 PM
Barney, why are you basically talking shit to the person who's about to kill you? <_< Give your last reads.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 29, 2011, 09:33:40 PM
Those cases I've made on you all day still hold, just so you know.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 29, 2011, 09:36:35 PM
Unbelievable.

Fine. Give me some time to type these, at the very least...
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 29, 2011, 09:50:21 PM
It's been 10 minutes. You might want to hurry up.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 09:51:37 PM
We still have 60, Li Shang.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 29, 2011, 09:52:27 PM
Ugh, yeah, I misread the votecount and thought the deadline was in 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 29, 2011, 09:53:09 PM
I still find Krabs' behavior scummy. His change to Beer->Bardiche->Li during D1 and overreaction to my case D2 stand here. I am currently accepting scum!Bardiche. I see nothing wrong with Megaman minus the lack of posts. I am unhappy with Gilga's lack of content (and then, I'm unhappy with some of his actual content) but his behavior seems more town than scum. Everyone else is town.


...

You know, I think people (hi) would appreciate to know how I'm worse than Bard right about now. Assuming you've discounted your theory and all.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Serela on October 29, 2011, 09:59:39 PM
>V-V-V-Votecount! I Remember Drinking Minute Maid Products

Captain Li Shang (0)
Duff Beer (0):
Alpha 60 (0):
Saki Morimi (0)
Merryweather (0)
Mr.Krabs (0):
Barney (5): Mr. Krabs, Megaman.EXE, Captain Li Shang, Gilgamesh, Bardiche
Duffman (0)
Gilgamesh (0):
Megaman.EXE (0):
Bardiche (4): Saki Morimi, Duffman, Alpha60, Barney

Not Voting: Merryweather

1 hour left in the day. With 10 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.  Bardiche is at L-2. Barney is at L-1. Link to Countdown for D2 Deadline (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&month=10&day=29&year=2011&hour=19&min=&sec=&p0=745)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 10:00:38 PM
The problem with the Barney wagon remains that the only town on it is Li Shang, who I'd put as Town over even Duffman. Seriously.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 10:06:32 PM
As in, the rest are various grades of useless and scum, or too derp to consider using any logical faculties.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 29, 2011, 10:08:08 PM
I THINK BARDICHE IS THE COP.

##vOTE bARDICHE

No wait, wrong trope.

EVERYONE AGREES WITH ME AND PEOPLE ARE RIGHT ABOUT ME. THIS IS SUSPICIOUS. LET'S STOP TIME.

##Unvote
##Vote: Extension


Oh my god why didn't I think of asking for this before work it would have saved me ten bucks. I hope you bastards appreciate that I'm here.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 29, 2011, 10:13:24 PM
##Extension
As much as a clusterfuck of a day this has been, I see no problems with this if it gives us more time to sort out Barney vs Bardiche and get opinions from other people. Bonus points of MM gets replaced before the day sends.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Serela on October 29, 2011, 10:15:05 PM
2/6 votes for the 12-hour Extension
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 29, 2011, 10:15:16 PM
So you only find Krabs as scummy out of all of us and Bardiche scum because you have to?
Fuck you attack and defend Gilgamesh in the same post.
I want to know, was this really so hard to say without me having to prod you to it seeing as how you could die really soon?

##Vote: Extend
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Skull on October 29, 2011, 10:20:00 PM
##Vote Extend
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 10:20:49 PM
##Vote: Extend

I see no problems with extending. I trust you have some reason to this, Duffmeh.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 29, 2011, 10:22:59 PM
Those are my reads. I don't find Bard scum because I have to; I already voiced what I showed to be his bad play and despite not being 100% sure I am leaning scum!Bard rather than town!Bard. I think Gilga is leaning town despite his less-than-stellar behavior. What's not to get?

##Vote: Extension.

I will snooze and proceed to be away for most (probably all) of this extension due to timezones and having school on a Sunday. So, you guys will have to sort things out yourselves. Unless someone wants something sorted out NOW and I reply to it NOW. God, it's already way too late.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 29, 2011, 10:24:07 PM
q;soidpjfsa;klnhg

The reason for this extention is so you can give us answers like I'm almost sure Duffman is going to request of you, being one of the main wagons and all.  What good does it do if you leave?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Serela on October 29, 2011, 10:24:48 PM
Extension is in effect! Day ends when the countdown reaches 12 hours past deadline. There is 12.5 hours left in the day.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 29, 2011, 10:24:56 PM
Which is why I'm staying up right now to answer them.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 29, 2011, 10:32:46 PM
I will also have a possible 30min window to answer questions around two hours before deadline. Possibly.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 29, 2011, 10:34:02 PM
And another 30min window around six hours from now, when I wake up.

Ask away.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Serela on October 29, 2011, 10:35:24 PM
For the sake of people extension will be extended an extra 2 hours. There is 14.5 hours left in the day.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Ryuki on October 29, 2011, 10:36:14 PM
I like Serela and this decision.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 11:02:05 PM
... Did Duffman just do a hit-and-run extension?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 29, 2011, 11:04:25 PM
NOOOO EVERYONE DON'T LYNCH BARDICHE HE'S ACTING OBVT-..
Oh you're all way ahead of me. ..Well then!
That thing I said about Duff Beer holds here too, regarding leaving roles alive to gather information. Likeliness of actual Scum Roleblocker is high. I expect Bardiche to be roleblocked for tomorrow as well. Leaving 8 townies haunting the night phase.

On a whim Duffman would shoot Megaman because he hates lurkers. Then Duffman would change his mind and shoot Saki for being so town she must be scum. Duffman employs 100% logic in his shots. Megaman is likely to die of his own inability to have a player behind him so that will either clear itself up or he can get replaced and die easy. I read over some good negative reads of him, it's just frustrating that there isn't someone there to claim. Not that that's stopped me before!

Gilgamesh, I see you are here. Your last post rang to me of towniness, but you're my most intangible town read at the moment. I know you can be more solid then that. Duffman wants to see a MANLY post with all your current scum/town reads and why.

I think I saw something about an untargettable claim. I would hammer but it's ever so early now! I supose I should go read Barney's posts instead of just what Li Shang is saying about it in the QT.  :derp:

Cut: It was tempting! Writing and reading is hard okay ;-; I do need to leave soon for a few hours, but I'll be back again.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 29, 2011, 11:20:44 PM
Other than Barney, I would kill Bardiche.

Now, if Barney's claim holds true, we really need to decide if we want him lynched or not, because we may not get this chance again.
Does anybody here have a Night Vig? Because if somebody does, I would suggest using it on Bardiche and lynching Barney.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 11:32:10 PM
Quote
shoot Saki for being so town she must be scum

... I don't even think this is a funny joke.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 29, 2011, 11:36:47 PM
Oh who am I kidding. If I had a vig I would shoot Alpha in BEER REVENGE!
Oh come on it's joke. :< I don't think you're town enough for it to reverse. :V You're just town enough.

I am of the opinion Barney's behaviour regarding the pill becomes more awkward factoring in untargettability. Hiding your ability at the point it happened makes more sense as scum then town. You were quite unlikely to be a nightkill target or the target of any scum abilities. On the other hand you were suspicious enough to have garnered town attention, like the person trying to feed you the pill in the first place. It would have been more pro-town to admit why you were not wishing to accept the pill then to refuse the way you did.

On top of that? This is rewriting history a little. You weren't acting like someone talking to the cop. You were doubting Duff Beer's integrity and making it sound like he was going to bring a horrible fate down on you with his "I am alighned" requests. If you were trying to avoid chaos, why were you attempting to get someone you believed was trying to cop you lynched?

Mr. Krabs. Why do you want Bardiche shot? What do you think of say, an Alpha 60 shot? Why can you not have an opinion but what the person before you thinks? ;_;
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 11:40:33 PM
I didn't ask people for that information for the sake of divulging information, and I'm certainly not going to hold people to it as being scum or town for their answers.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 29, 2011, 11:41:13 PM
And it's not a funny joke because unlike you, I don't like my death reason being "you were so Townie I got paranoid :<".
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 29, 2011, 11:42:22 PM
@Duffman: You guys keep taking all the good stuff Who before me mentioned shooting Bardiche and lynching Barney? I don't remember seeing it.
I want Bardiche shot because he's being scummy as hell, and if he's town it's not like we really needed him anyway (yes I know this is a scummy way of thinking, but I guess you guys would agree anyway). I wouldn't like an Alpha shot as much as I did back when he vigged Duff Beer, because I agree with Saki that it wasnt scum intended or third-party intended either.
Cut 2 times.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 29, 2011, 11:45:06 PM
Wow Krabs, wow.

I do hope someone realizes that when Barney flips scum here in a second Bardiche is probably town.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 29, 2011, 11:49:15 PM
I know that could probably happen but if people really want them both dead then that is probably the best course of action.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 29, 2011, 11:52:49 PM
Merryweather, what would you think of Bardiche if Barney flipped town?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 29, 2011, 11:52:54 PM
I mean that:
Wagon appears on Alpha:
"I think Alpha is the scummiest for obvious reasons."
Wagon disappears and runs onto Bardiche:
"I want Bardiche dead the most."
Current wagons are Barney and Bardiche:
"I would like to lynch Barney and kill Bardiche."
And I know your memory is short but remembering the beginning of the day isn't hard. The prevaling opinion when asking about who Alpha should vig was to lynch Barney and kill Bardiche.

Be more specific. How is Bardiche being 'scummy as hell'? What is Bardiche doing that seems scummy to you, and how does it further the scum agenda? I believe many would argue you could be scum, and if you were town we really didn't need you anyways. These reasons are not sufficient for Duffman.
-Why- do you agree with Saki that Alpha's shot was not third party intended? Keep in mind that if Alpha was third party, and Duff Beer's lie detector came through, he would be confirmed scum, and there would be no talk at all of keeping him like we are right now.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 30, 2011, 12:01:14 AM
Bardiche hasn't been saying much at all, he isn't defending himself well against the cases made against him, he self-voted (out of rage, but it's still scummy). That's just a couple of reasons. It furthers the scum agenda because not saying much is basically what scum want. And if he's scum, then he is pretty much a sacrifice because I don't think any scum wants to help him now, it's basically suicide to do so.
Just look at what Saki said about Alpha, they make sense right? I think they do, which is why I don't think Alpha had good or bad intentions when making that vig choice. The only thing that makes a slight amount of sense is either Third-Party or silly town, But I'm leaning towards the latter.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 30, 2011, 12:08:40 AM
To make things clear, I'm in support of a Barney lynch right now, and not supportive of Bardiche's lynch. Duffman feels like that lynch would be tasteless and leave him hungry during the night. Even if Barney is town. I don't want to wait the full extension to hammer someone down, since that would be like 6 in the morning and god who wants that.  I'm fine with a few hours for people to -properly- discuss this instead of what looks like a whirlwind of panic.

Krabs: He never says much at all. I think the fact he answered the accusations against him at all instead of making up reasons not to answer anyone speaks for itself. I don't think his defense is that bad. He sounds like he's angry because he has no options. And he always self-votes out of rage. How is the self-vote scummy? Note he did not hammer himself and left it up to town to dictate when the lynch would happen.

I'm sorry, I'm blind and Saki's words mean nothing to me because I have no soul. What out of Saki's words make sense to you and why? (Don't quote her, I will punch you.) You don't think Alpha had good or bad intentions? Then why did he shoot?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 30, 2011, 12:15:36 AM
Self votes are bad because it's basically saying you don't want to play anymore and you should just be lynched regardless of alignment.

Saki's words make sense because if she's right, then Alpha didn't play optimally as either scum or third-party. Which makes me believe he's a silly townie.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 30, 2011, 01:34:58 AM
So what are we doing, Town? >_> We got the extension, are we going to proceed to do NOTHING THE FUCK AT ALL and waste the one-time 12 hour extension we had?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 30, 2011, 01:39:45 AM
Apparently.

I would say something if I had something else to say. Barney is still the most convincing case for me.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 30, 2011, 01:41:33 AM
no.

Ready to hammer Barney at all, I'm sure he isn't going to flip town.

Krabs I want you to look at the refuckingdiculousness of your statement.  If you know someone is town, there is no reason to kill them just because they are a bad player.  What the fuck's that going to solve, yeah they're town with you, you have to deal with it.  Killing them just because is not acceptable.
Quote
Self votes are bad because it's basically saying you don't want to play anymore and you should just be lynched regardless of alignment.
Absolutes like this are rediculous and you need to knock them off.  Just take something from this ok?

Other stuff, yeah a hellofalot is hanging here in the balence so I'm ready to swing that axe pop a hammer down when we're cool.  (As in if you all don't start talking it's going to fall)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: W on October 30, 2011, 01:53:23 AM
I express annoyance at Gilgamesh, but hold him to have a post ready with answers to my request by tomorrow. Cause he ain't gonna be dead. :V

I believe I have done what I wished to do. Not like I can say much else if the people that need prodding aren't here/need replacing. Alright. In the case of a town untargettable I suggest everyone stay calm and do not panic. We're still good a little longer. In case of scum, rejoice!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 30, 2011, 01:54:14 AM
@Merryweather: If I know someone is town, I definetly wouldn't lynch/kill them (unless I'm scum). What I was saying is that because we don't know his alignment, we can lynch him and if he flips town, we may have lost a townie but they weren't too useful, and if he flips scum, then yay.
It's really more about looking on the bright side of it.

Cut
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Skull on October 30, 2011, 02:00:34 AM
Other than Barney, I would kill Bardiche.

Now, if Barney's claim holds true, we really need to decide if we want him lynched or not, because we may not get this chance again.
Does anybody here have a Night Vig? Because if somebody does, I would suggest using it on Bardiche and lynching Barney.

Then what would be a point of letting Bardiche live?
I want Bardiche to live so he can prove his role. If you kill him at night, how can he prove his role? flip? =_=

I agree with Saki's point on Merryweather,
I ask a rolefishing question.
She tells me to shut it.

She asks for claims.
She goes free. What? What is this leeway she has?

On another note I decided to throw a theory away.
That leaves me at 5 clears (Excluding myself)

@Megaman.EXE: From ISO reading Kanji's posts, there is zero mentioning of Megaman.EXE in anything. He supported using a vig on me using the same logic as Bardiche. Over zealous mentioning of me considering the fact that he has continously dismissed me as useless.(I believe someone stated this before?)
Wants me dead, yet reasons with himself about his own theory of me "mysteriously" targetting the dead.

@Mr.Krabs: Hm...Derp? God knows.

@Merryweather: I am wary of her, she makes cases and stuff...but feels more along the line of pushing a wagon for a roleclaim. nullish.

@Barney: I believe people had covered this enough that there isn't much to talk about? There is the possibility of him stating everyone else is town due to him knowing it already, but meh.

... I don't even think this is a funny joke.
It sure makes it more humorous considering the fact that your avatar is smiling.

Out with this for now I suppose.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 30, 2011, 02:05:35 AM
Let's go over this one more time since I guess you missed it.

Li had no chance whatsoever of dying today.  He isn't getting lynched, no one needs to know what his powers are and what he can do.  No reason to ask for them

Barney is about to die.  He was close to it when I asked for his claim.  It could have swayed me and been a verifiable action, something could have happened for me to prove it etc.
It also would not be good if we just killed, say the doctor without asking him to claim.  Yes scum can fakeclaim it but it would be better to not kill him because he has verifyable actions or could be proven what have you.  I don't buy his claim. 

What I'm getting at here is I'm not getting smack because asking Barney to claim is completely called for while asking Li to claim is not.

Does this make sense?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 30, 2011, 02:27:53 AM
Might I ask what we're waiting for before the hammer? It doesn't seem like we're at a point where everybody's opinions would shift one way or another. I want to see some flips.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 30, 2011, 02:52:10 AM
Ancient evil get the hint,
Only good can recompense,
For the misdeeds that you have done,
Scum return from which you've come!


##Vote: Barney
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: Serela on October 30, 2011, 03:01:26 AM
Town used their one extension, but then decided they didn't need it; and so, came the fateful end of Barney the purple dinosaur, to the great relief sadness of children everywhere.

But to the great joy of the villagers! For not only was he Barney, but he was scum.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Barney, who was Resistant Rebecca, has been lynched.

Resistant Rebecca was, to put it simply, an Ascetic Roleblocker; she was immune to practically everything but being voted and lynched, and each night could target one person to roleblock, in addition to being able to go on the mafia's factional kill.

Night 2 starts now. You will have up to 24 hours to send in your night actions.

Barney (6): Mr. Krabs, Megaman.EXE, Captain Li Shang, Gilgamesh, Bardiche, Merryweather
Bardiche (3): Saki Morimi, Alpha60, Barney

Not Voting: Nobody
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Night 2)
Post by: Serela on October 30, 2011, 03:02:42 AM
Also, Megaman.EXE will be modkilled if a replacement is not found by day start.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Night 2)
Post by: Serela on October 31, 2011, 02:02:57 AM
Bardiche!, playing Triplet of Visions, Visionary Veronica, was killed during the night.

Megaman.EXE was not killed during the night. But no replacement could be found, so instead, he got hit by modlightning! He was Clairvoyant Clara.

Visionary Veronica could target one person each night to watch, and see whoever targetted them during the night.

Clairvoyant Clara was able to recieve a short message from anyone who died.

There is about 72 hours left in the day. With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Day 3 starts now.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 02:57:50 AM
Lets see I'm clearing Krabs over being Barney's dream midlynch for now.
Gilgamesh is confirmed town since there was a kill last night and he ate a roleblock.
Duffman and Li are townie bros.
That leaves the scummy vig and the guy who made the counter wagon to scum hardcore.
Especially now that said pusher wrote a huge case on why the scummy vig can't be scum.
He wrote the scum wagon off because the people who were on it, now confirmed townies weren't the towniest people around (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg740699.html#msg740699) and handwaved away the main parts of the case.
Let's start with you explaining the who you would kill thing in full now.

##Vote: Saki Morimi
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: W on October 31, 2011, 03:01:07 AM
Today better not be as much of a thing as yesterday. It was the kind of day to make a 9 proud.

BUT WE GOT A SCUM YEAH FISTBUMPS! So I gotta ask, because Duffman will not be happy if someone else did that. Did one of my townie bros shove Bardiche off a balcony last night? That would so not be awesome. Duffman needs you to come clean. Otherwise we have a righteously ~*Confirmed Town*~ in Gilgamesh who ate the roleblocker pill. Let's see..

3.Captain Li Shang (Mulan)
6.Alpha 60 (Alphaville)
7.Saki Morimi (Eden of the East film)
8.Merryweather (Sleeping Beauty)
9.Mr.Krabs (The Spongebob Squarepants Movie)
11.Duffman (The Simpsons Movie)
12.Gilgamesh (Fate/Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works)

These are our current suspects, people. Duffman is going to eat and think. For now, Duffman's main suspects are Alpha 60 and Saki Morimi just through process of elimination. We're on our way dudes! Cut by Marrymeweather making a TOTALLY SEXY VERSION OF DUFFMAN'S POST OH YEAH!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 03:33:59 AM
Last night I redirected all night actions away from Li Shang and onto Megaman.EXE, with backup target Bardiche in case of modkill; as per who Town chose yesterday, and as per my belief that the remaining people are either Townie or Useless... well, someone had to bite a bullet. Would you have rather had Li Shang died?

You can of course attack me for pushing the Bardiche case over the Barney case, but I stand by that. I felt my D1 case was not strong enough to warrant a D2 repeat of it, and I remain unconvinced that the people on the Barney wagon, subtracting Li, were exemplars of Townie behaviour at the time enough that I didn't like the wagon they supported.

Duffman himself voted Bardiche while at the same time citing disagreeance for my reasoning, and later claiming he never really read Barney's posts. While it may be egregious to make a counter-wagon to scum, I think it's also a problem if someone votes the counter-wagon without much reasoning. He said himself he only knew of the Barney case what Li had been telling him in a QT, and he further showed a complete lack of concern for actually scumhunting yesterday.

Yes, he did propose to kill Kanji, but after that he leaned back lazily and stopped doing much of anything, which seems like lazy scum thinking they're now town confirmed and can chill out. The idea of a HYPER VIG BUS doesn't seem strange, and on the whole I'm not sure they believed a vig would take them up on their proposal. The above post is further testing the waters: state suspicion but too lazy to actually do the homework and be able to slap a vote down.

##Vote: Duffman
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 03:41:35 AM
After I had already stated that lolno being the counterwagon to when scum flips will make him town you seriously "redirected" the kill to Bardiche. You had no other person to kill like say Duffman who is the only person I see you showing suspicion at now?  Duffman's the last scum?
I have trouble believing that.  I'm going as far as to say you are the last scum, busdriver. 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 03:42:43 AM
I'm going so far as to claim the kill on Kanji.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 03:44:09 AM

I do hope someone realizes that when Barney flips scum here in a second Bardiche is probably town.
So you're a vig busdriver huh?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 03:46:58 AM
No, I'm a One-Shot Specialist.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 03:49:33 AM
^ To explain, I have a number of one-shot abilities. I wanted to use the vig kill straight out of the gate, and figured Kanji was as good as any a place to start, and since Duffman was super town to me on D1, I went with his suggestion after asking the reasons.

I chose to use my one-shot redirecter (those targeting Bard would not have targeted Li) to protect who I now felt was most Townie.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 03:52:02 AM
Mmhmm.

Who would be your second choice for scum?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Den-O on October 31, 2011, 03:53:24 AM
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Bah.png)

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Bah1.png)

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Bah2.png)

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Bah3.png)

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/ilyD03d-doll.png) Welcome to Tiger Dojo! I'm your lovable host, Ilyasviel von Einzbern! And this is my co-host! Say hi!

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/BahB1.png) 『
                                               


(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/ilyD01a.png) Hey! Don't be rude to our guest!

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/BahB2.png) 『
...........


(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/ilyD03d-doll.png) Anyways...

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/ilyD02a.png) Congratulations! You have reached the special ending! You have now unlocked the Ilya route! Congra...

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Bah4.png)

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/ilyD01f.png) Urk!

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/fujD01a.png) Welcome to the Tiger Dojo! I'm your real host, Fujimura Taiga, and that buruma girl is my co-host. You have reached this ending because you have died, and do you know why?

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/ily02a.png) Because he's an idiot?

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/fujD03a.png) WRONG!

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/fujD01a.png) IT'S BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T PICK A CHARACTER THAT YOU LIKED! Instead of that axe, you wanted to be...

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/BahB3.png)

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/ily02a.png) Wait, don't you mean more like this?

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/BERSERKER.jpg)

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/BahB1.png) 『
                                                                                                         


(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/fujD01d.png) ...

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/fujD02b-armsB.png) Anyways...

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/fujD02a-armsA.png) This Tiger Dojo is now finished everyone!

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/ily02b.png) Wait a minute....

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/ily11d-N.png) Isn't this a bah post? Where's the mooooooooooooo?

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/fujD01d.png) Urk...

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/ilyD02a.png) See you next time!





(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/ilyD03d-doll.png) Here you go. (http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Muuuu.png)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 03:56:07 AM
Either you or Gilgamesh. I believe in Alpha 60, and Krabs seems Town enough beyond the D1 scuffle. Alpha 60 still doesn't make sense as scum to me, nor as third party. That Duffman's main suspects are Alpha 60 and me after you jumped out the train saying we were scummiest doesn't really bode well for my feelings for him either. :derp:
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 31, 2011, 03:57:54 AM
I suggest we all massclaim.

I don't understand why Saki would redirect Night actions to a claimed tracker who was the counter-wagon to scum.

However did you think Scum WOULDN'T kill the claimed tracker if he was not scum?  Why Li, and not say merryweather, the one who actually hammered scum?

APART FROM THAT.  on the surface the Duffman vote and the saki cases and votes seem OK on the surface.   

I claim nothing other than what I've claimed already, one-shot DAYVIG, and that is the extent of my role.

-cut by a true busdriver claim.  ah ok.  still a bit confused and shaken so. I have to think more.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 03:59:49 AM
^^^Best bah post ever.

Through process of elimination (just like everyone else is using), Saki is very likely to be the last scum.
I'm town.
Merryweather, Duffman and Li are pretty townie.
Gilgamesh is cleared for reasons already stated by Merryweather and Duffman.
Alpha did some silly townie shit so I think he's town.
Which leaves Saki.


tl;dr what Merryweather said.

Cut 2 times. I'm fine with a massclaim. I'll claim next if anyone wants.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 04:00:49 AM
Stop it with the fucking massclaiming.

Gilgamesh is confirmed town for there being a nightkill remember?
So you suspect Duffman and Merryweather in that order hm?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 04:03:08 AM
Holy crap, guys, a redirecter isn't a busdriver. A busdriver specifically swaps two targets, and while I have a shot of that I haven't used it for obvious reasons.

Yes, problem? Process of elimination once Duffman dies, and if he ain't scum I'd be surprised.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 04:06:05 AM
Or well, you could lynch me, I guess, but then you'd still be sitting there wondering who the last scum is, if there aren't four. :derp: Unless anyone'd care to counter-claim my kill on Kanji? And I know nobody will because I doubt Serela gave Town a Day Vig with TWO Night Vigs.

Alpha, are you sure your requirements are real? >__> I have more than just the vig one-shot, why would you be left with only one shot and nothing else?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: W on October 31, 2011, 04:09:32 AM
Saki, this is kind of important.
Did your redirect work to redirect to Bardiche, or to Megaman.EXE last night? Megaman wasn't dead until this morning, so he should have been a viable target if you redirected to him. I thought it was obvious you took the shot.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 31, 2011, 04:11:58 AM
I have nothing else.

I thought my role was pretty normal, but hot damn there is crazy shit everywhere.

I thought Duffman was the one to take the shot N1.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 04:12:33 AM
Quote
I thought it was obvious you took the shot.

And yet you still find me a suspect for scum. You think Scum with a second night kill action would use it to kill one of their own, and then desperately cling to a Bardiche wagon even if it would've been easy to jump on the Barney train? Yeahno. Unless you're going to suggest it's all Crazymad ~*GAMBITS*~, but I think shooting my scum allies would've been Pesco coming down on me with the raging fist of the north star.

I'm asking confirmation from Serela now, who just said YOUR ACTION WAS A SUCCESS :V, but I strongly suspect it worked to redirect to Bardiche.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 04:16:54 AM
So your retort is a flood of wifom. Awesome.

You couldn't have jumped to the Barney wagon, which you refused to acknowledge, because that would be killing both of your partners. :V
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 04:18:38 AM
Fair point, and I used scum's second kill to murder a scumbuddy because that seemed like the right genius thing to do.

I guess you caught me red-handed.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 04:20:39 AM
Serela confirmed that my Night Action made all actions targeting Li Shang hit Bardiche instead. If anyone else targeted Li Shang you can speak up now. :derp:
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 04:21:05 AM
It lets you whip out a verifiable claim that could save you in LYLO.

I need to hear from Li.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: W on October 31, 2011, 04:22:27 AM
Unless you're going to suggest it's all Crazymad ~*GAMBITS*~, but I think shooting my scum allies would've been Pesco coming down on me with the raging fist of the north star.
You know, if it was anyone but you I wouldn't be rolling this scenario over in my head. There are very few options to me at this point. No, I didn't take shots at anyone. Duffman's power is a different kind of righteous. I... -think- the only other option I could consider is Li Shang. But that would just be.. weird.. Everything in this game is such a THING!

Ugh. I was hoping you redirected to Megaman.EXE. You should have redirected to Krabs you goof. Now we have no way of knowing if they actually tried to kill Bardiche or Li Shang.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 04:23:54 AM
Holy shit that is the most pants-on-head retarded reaction I've ever seen to a vig murdering scum.

I now join Bardiche's sentiment, I don't want to be part of this Town.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 04:29:15 AM
What do you need to hear from me, Merry? I'm around, I'm just not posting yet because I haven't finished (or started <_<) my re-read yet.

My current take on the situation is that I was reading Saki as town last night because I think scum!Saki would have just wanted to coast on the Alpha wagon to prevent Barney's from starting back up, but the recent claim shenanigans are weird. I will come to a conclusion after I do that re-read, which will probably not be for a while because I'm supposed to be training my squadon to defeat the huns right now and re-reading+posting would probably take about an hour. I am very confident that Duffman is town due to quicktopic shenanigans, so I don't buy into him being the counterwagon to Saki.

I was not told that I was attacked or anything last night, though I'm not sure if Serela would have informed me if I was. I think killing the Watcher makes a lot more sense for scum than killing me. Assuming the last scum isn't a ninja, killing off the claimed investigative role who was also a counterwagon to the Barney wagon would be their best way to avoid getting crushed by a mountain of nine-hundred or so power roles.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 04:31:13 AM
No, I didn't shoot Kanji.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: W on October 31, 2011, 04:37:16 AM
Oh don't be like that. I'm serious when I say I consider it because of how few other options there are.
But god damnit WHY redirect onto the damn Watcher?! Ugh.

So we've seen the scum team with a rolecop that follows QT's and a completely untargettable roleblocker. This is >:< because it makes it impossible to figure out what the third scum is. My thoughts run along the lines of either a hitman with unblockable kills or a godfather ninja. Or a godfather hitman... :o

Honestly, Saki slamming the breaks on the Alpha 60 wagon doesn't make much sense as scum. Bardiche hadn't claimed yet. I think Alpha would have been a much tastier lynch compared to attracting attention to his partner again. GOD DAMNIT EVERYONE IS TOWN
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 04:53:26 AM
Because I thought it'd be pants-on-head retarded to assume a Scum!Duffman would suggest vigging his buddy D1, a Scum!Merryweather didn't seem plausible (I admit to be blindsided with regards to her and have to reread), a Scum!Li to make no fucking sense with a QT tapper, a Scum!Krabs to be stupid, and a Scum!Alpha60 remains to make no goddamn sense to me. Gilgamesh was more useless than scum to me and now with this roleblock revelations remains to be useless moreso than scum. The only way he can be scum is if the roleblock was for the day phase only (hahaha no) or if scum have another "Lol I get to ignore roleblocks ^_^" role, which seems absurd.

SO HEY. WHO THE FUCK ELSE DID I NEED TO REDIRECT ONTO? Yeah, maybe KRABS in hindsight but seriously bro, I sent in the order ages ago and didn't really spend the rest of the time thinking about Mafiers because I honestly thought I'd hit Megaman with it anyway.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 04:53:40 AM
Thinking things over, I think Saki is a terrible lynch even before re-reading. Nobody counterclaimed her vig shot, and shooting a scumbuddy on N1 is awful considering that scum wins through numbers. They would need a very overpowered role-related faithful backup plan to make up for it, and given that scum!Saki means that their third role is probably a redirecter of some sort, I doubt this could be the case
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 04:57:26 AM
Then again, there's still the possibility that KRABS shot Kanji. But if he doesn't claim that, we're not lynching Saki today.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 04:59:01 AM
So am I the only one  who considers Duffman sketchy? >_> Because delaying the hammer on Barney seems pretty scummy to me too, given the extension could've caused some people to actually want to idk swap wagons or whatever.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 04:59:47 AM
EVERYONE IS TOWN
This is such a rare event.
If it keeps up we will probably have to resort to Keine random lynches.

I seriously don't know where to go from here.
We could look further into the people we unanimously agree are town (a.k.a Duffman, Merryweather and Li), or we can look into horrible people who make no sense as scum (a.k.a Alpha and Myself).

Cut three times, no, I did not shoot Kanji. I don't have a vigging role.
Cut again.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 05:00:46 AM
I think we should go with the first option, because if Alpha and I don't make any sense as scum, then the last scum must be hiding within those three.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 05:00:56 AM
I would lynch Krabs or Alpha before I would lynch Duffman.

Delaying the hammer on Barney makes no sense for scum because Duffman used the extra time to unvote the Bardiche wagon and spend the rest of the day attacking Barney and while he wasn't capable of doing anything.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 05:01:42 AM
Quote
They would need a very overpowered role-related faithful backup plan to make up for it
Which is why this is such a motherfucking problem arrgh.

Krabs Li and Saki are the only viable people for me at this point. 
Li practically bleeds town
Krabs was Barney's hounding since the game began but whatever.
Saki has just claimed some scummy shit and I'm honestly getting torn here.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 31, 2011, 05:04:05 AM
Gilgamesh who did you check, and was it successful?
Pills may need to digest, like the yellow one did >_>.
Actually let's hold off on the massclaim... for now.  I'll need a good hard re-read.  But that will have to be tomorrow since I'm exhausted at the moment.

If no one ccs the vig shot then yes, Scum!saki makes no sense.  (Also I think the problem is whhy you made Bardiche the secondary  re-directee instead of... Krabs who still looks town)

At the moment, I can't really imagine anyone as scum or what the last scum role could possibly be.  Serela:  Mod thy goddess

I'd lynch myself before anyone.  That's an almost serious statement.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Skull on October 31, 2011, 05:06:19 AM
Alright apparently the pill that roleblocks worked and I felt too woozy to find out orange's name.
Colors...#@$!~

You all ever consider the possibility of Mr.Krabs and Barney just trying their best to buss each other...?
This is the theory I want to happen the most. Since it seemed to be true on my other Theory of Barney thinking everyone else being town because he knew they are town.

And no Alpha 60, your not leaving this till its over.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 05:11:26 AM
Duffman delayed the hammer so he could swap from saying nothing of value on Barney to attacking him. I'll just say that he could well be trying to get in on the bus cred there but fine, if you guys are so sold on Duffman being absolute Town, I can't do much.

I'd rather lynch Krabs over Alpha, and Merryweather over both of those because Krabs and Alpha don't make much sense as Scum. Admittedly Krabs makes more sense as scum but forgive me if I find it unlikely. >_>

And yes part of why I want to lynch Merryweather is probably OMGUS: I don't understand why the shit a Town!Merryweather would honestly go to such lengths to justify lynching me by going as far as suggesting a Scum!Saki would have KILLED A PERFECTLY SECURE SCUMBUDDY on N1 just to get massive Town cred in LYLO, but neglect to join the Barney wagon which I could've done just fine if I updated my D1 case and slammed on some bullshit.

And cut by Merryweather continuing to push that I must be scum. Why are you so sure on Alpha 60 not being scum? Because I convinced you? I recall you just jumped on the bandwagon third on him without much explanation:
Quote
Personal vendeta to kill a cop and then turns around and says, "ha ha fuck you all I don't want to help a town as awful as this, even when I think this other guy really is scum."
I mean damn, even I wouldn't do something like that.

That sounds a whole lot worse than accusing him of panic-shooting the Cop, which was a really real possibility to consider for a brief moment. No, you just slammed "personal vendeta" on him and that he refuses to help Town.

What scummy shit did I claim? Attempting to protect Li Shang (granted, perhaps the Bardiche target was not optimal) and killing Scum. I stand by these claims and if that's scummy, then I seriously question your faculties. I just didn't think anyone else could possibly be scum.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 05:18:45 AM
I think we should do a massclaim.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 05:19:17 AM
Alright Alright, we're approching dangerous territory.

There is a cop innocent report on Alpha right now that I'm willing to buy.

Duffman is town, glad we cleared that up.

Gilgamesh is also town

Li is really town as well, I would offer him Chai Tea for doing that good.

Krabs was hounded all game by Barney and I don't think it's super bussssss

Yes, you could have also joined the Barney wagon but the fact that you handwaved it all yesterday is what's bothering me.  I'm coupling this with you pushed hardcore on the Barney counterwagon even though you could have rolled with an Alpha which is making me doubt, and that you chose to kill the watcher with your redirect which may or may not exist.

This are the motherfucking things I'm taking into account and why you are the likely scum canidate at this jecture.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 05:20:40 AM
@Merryweather: But maybe you are scum instead?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 05:21:26 AM
Nice try bucko, but no.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 05:24:12 AM
Merryweather, I would like you to claim.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 05:28:10 AM
I think Merry claimed Cop: I don't see anyone else clearing Alpha 60 with a Cop result.

I like how Merry completely decides to ignore I killed Kanji. Really, now. You're cherrypicking literally now: choosing everything that's convenient and abandoning what isn't. If I had the foresight to shoot Kanji in anticipation of this moment I am a xanatos chessmaster. I'm flattered you think me that brilliantly stupid, though.

OK MERRY, I AM MAGICALLY CONFIRMED TOWN. Who is now scum?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 05:30:40 AM
I'm pretty certain Merryweather is town and would accept her offer of chai tea, though I would want to know what she thinks scum!Saki's Faithful Backup-plan might be provided that she seemed pretty sure about Saki earlier. Not sure how to communicate that better. Krabs is looking worse for trying to shift the lynch over to her and also rolefishing her when she implied she might be a cop.

Screw getting things done, I'm going to go re-read the thread and see what I come up with. Maybe my early suspicion on Krabs was right after all?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 05:31:16 AM
The above meaning, consider for a moment that a Town!Saki with a Night Vig shot decided to sheep to Duffman's reasonable words and killed Kanji, and then derped and redirected onto a claimed Watcher in a game where Scum's flipped Untargetable Roleblocker and Super Rolecop.

woop gtg
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 05:34:33 AM
Hey Li, was it you or Duffman who was the neighbourizer?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: W on October 31, 2011, 05:36:31 AM
Gilgamesh's suggestion does actually make sense to me. Aaaand look more reason Duffman doesn't want to lynch his waifu. Sisforce?
If the cop just claimed there isn't much further to go. We might as well massclaim now. Krabs can go next since uhm.. I think him and me are the only ones left. And Duffman is too buff to claim first. OH YEAH.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 05:38:49 AM
Okay then Duffman.

I claim Virgin Mary

I am a normal doc (can choose to protect targets at night), but I can also choose to sacrifice myself at night to prevent anyone else from dying.

N1 I targeted Duffman.

N2 I targeted Saki.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 05:39:03 AM
I was the neighborizer.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 05:39:39 AM
You guys are terrible at popcorn claiming. Who goes next, Mr. Krabs?

Also, no alliteration?  ???
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 05:40:56 AM
Not all roles have alliteration, remember?
And besides, it's not indicative of alignment.

Isn't it obvious who will go next? Only one person has yet to claim (except Merryweather's softclaim, I would like her to fullclaim too).
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 05:41:57 AM
Not all roles have alliteration, remember?
And besides, it's not indicative of alignment.
Source?

It's not indicative alignment, but it could be indicative of a hastily-thought-out fakeclaim.

Also, several people haven't fullclaimed (means including flavor) yet. So choose one.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Skull on October 31, 2011, 05:45:03 AM
Gilgamesh's suggestion does actually make sense to me. Aaaand look more reason Duffman doesn't want to lynch his waifu. Sisforce?
If the cop just claimed there isn't much further to go. We might as well massclaim now. Krabs can go next since uhm.. I think him and me are the only ones left. And Duffman is too buff to claim first. OH YEAH.

......
What...?
...Your attempt to stay in roleplay...seems to be faltered here?
If Duffman is so buff, what stops you from claiming?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Skull on October 31, 2011, 05:45:24 AM
EBWOP: Delaying your claim*
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 05:45:57 AM
I recieved a present.  Isn't it wonderful?
##Eat: Blue

Good evening ladies and gentlemen.

It is I, Molly the Mime and with my creepy mime special awesome super powers I cop people at night by mimicing them. (Don't ask me how this works.)
I targetted Kanji n1, (he was scum btw)
I targetted Alpha last night, he was Town
I'm willing to follow this for now.

Krabs, you claim next.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 05:47:07 AM
YOU PEOPLE ARE STILL FUCKING TERRIBLE AT POPCORN CLAIMING!

Who next, Merry?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 05:48:17 AM
(Not actually angry, was a reference to something said in a past game. Just for clarity)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 05:50:27 AM
Li you go.

And in response to your super backup plan, I initially misread that and thought you meant I as town had a super backup plan for me thinking Saki could be scum.
So I'm not cherrypickin' I seriously with all the roles around can only see you three as possible scum.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 05:51:25 AM
Duffman should go next.

Oh, and if I sacrifice myself, the mod will say that I sacrificed myself, instead of a normal death message.

Source?
I looked back but I could've sworn someone else said their name wasn't alliterate, oh well, nevermind that then. Maybe this was put in by the mod to create doubt on my role.
Cut 4 times.
Cut again.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 05:54:43 AM
I will sacrifice myself in the night phase if we don't lynch scum (assuming 3 scum), or if you guys don't lynch me.

If I'm town and have a doc role: I will sacrifice myself tonight.
If I'm town and don't have a doc role: Why would I fakeclaim as town?
If I'm scum fakeclaiming a doc role: I won't be the nightkill and I wouldn't be able to sacrifice myself, therefore I'm the last scum.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 05:55:20 AM
Dependent Deborah, tl;dr version of my flavor is that I'm an inept dojikko who can't do anything right and needs to rely on other people a lot. My role is the exact same as the orange's as far as I can tell; I target somebody at night and become neighbors with them for the following day phase.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 05:55:32 AM
Saki claims next
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 05:55:54 AM
Oh, and if there is 4 scum, we lynch one today, I will sacrifice myself.

Cut 2 times.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 05:56:05 AM
... oh wait, she's not here. I guess Alpha then, or Duffman if he's willing.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 05:57:17 AM
Alpha already claimed Wordy Wanda.

tl;dr version of what I was saying my last few posts is that if we don't win the game today, and if you guys don't lynch me. I will die tonight.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 06:00:24 AM
~ROLEGAMING~.

So who do we lynch if not you? We're sure as hell not lynching Merry, Duffman, Alpha, Gilga or Saki, and I'm not scum.

It's possible you're buying yourself time so you can claim something happened to you overnight... but then the roleblocker is dead, so I don't know how.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 06:01:34 AM
Mod: Are we allowed to end the day in an early No Lynch?
I don't support this right now, but want to know if it's a viable option.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: W on October 31, 2011, 06:02:13 AM
Duffman might as well claim since if people have been keeping track, there's only one option.

Saki, you keep saying I'm acting like I'm practically confirmed town. That's because I AM confirmed town. Hi, I'm Stockholm Steve. I was just minding my buisness in town one day when A WEREWOLF KIDNAPPED ME AAAAA and took me away to his cave. And he kept me there and it was kind of comfy and I guess the cuddles were nice.. and his eyes... aaaa b-but it's not like I liked being there or anything! I just didn't want him to eat me! D-don't misunderstand!

I'm the missing mason. You scum are freaking jerks for taking my TOWNIE FRIEND away from me on the first night!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:03:14 AM
I'm definitely sure either you, Merry or Duffman are scum.

Cut.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 06:03:46 AM
Duffman is indeed confirmed town. Note Mega referencing Steve being the cutest.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 06:04:10 AM
^

So you're about to argue that Li is scum huh?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:04:41 AM
That means either you or Merry are scum.

Cut. By process of elimination.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: W on October 31, 2011, 06:05:49 AM
Incidentally I'm kind of agreeing with Krab's logic of letting him suicide tonight. I'm honestly not sure what we have to lose from it. Other then one night of our lives?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 06:06:24 AM
So who is it?  I want some cases then if it must be one of us.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:08:15 AM
I'm gonna go with Li. I find Merry's claim believeable, and if Li isn't scum, then Merryweather is most likely scum.
Oh, and Bo Peep also was suspicious of Li D1.
##Vote:Capt. Li Shang
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 06:09:05 AM
Letting Krabs suicide seems ideal to me. Should I just go ahead and lynch myself for the sake of clearing people? <_< I can't think of any other options aside from Saki.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:09:47 AM
Lynch yourself.

Gogogogogogogogogogogogogo.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 06:10:31 AM
UNLESS Alpha is Godfather, but I think Barney was the equivalent of that in this set-up.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 06:11:12 AM
PFFT  Ah ha ha ha
ha ha ha
hah ha ha

Are you trying to make me die of laughter?
##Unvote:
##Vote: Mr. Krabs
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:12:04 AM
Why lynch me Merry?
I'll die tonight, no need to waste a kill.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:12:37 AM
I like that reaction though.

##Unvote
##Vote: Merryweather
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 06:13:07 AM
No, let me show you how tomorrow's going to play out

Mr K: Oops, for some reason it didn't work but we should lynch X though.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:13:44 AM
As I said, if I don't die tonight, you guys will lynch me because I'm scum.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 06:14:06 AM
Merryweather, how is that going to work? Scum's roleblocker is dead. I don't know how they could believably fake it at this point.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:14:47 AM
Everyone, vote Merry. Lynch the scumz.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 06:15:22 AM
...then again, I suppose to Krabs the other option was him dying today instead of tomorrow. I'm dense. :l

##Vote Krabs

Didn't do my re-read because I got distracted by claim shenanigans, but this seems like the best course of action for now.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 06:17:36 AM
Let me save you a day of facepalming.

He's not going to it's going to turn day 4 someone dies and then we lynch him for being obvscum.  Yeah?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:19:28 AM
But Merry, why would I say that as scum?
As scum, I would want to live another night. But I'm saying that you should all lynch me tomorrow if I live till then.
As town, I'm making myself a sacrifice, killing myself instead of someone else. Someone who is a better player.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:20:52 AM
I'm making myself a sacrifice, killing myself instead of someone else. Someone who is a better player.
Think about it, would you rather lynch me and then a good player is NK'ed? Or would you rather not lynch me, lynch a potential scum, and have me die instead of a better player?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 06:21:21 AM
With all that WIFOM going around, you should have chosen to play as Vizzini instead of Mr. Krabs. * Ba-dum TISH *
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: W on October 31, 2011, 06:22:04 AM
Settle down there guys. I think it's a better option to lynch someone else. Either Krabs is lying and is going to get lynched tomorrow, or he's going to cancel any other nightkills and take himself out of LYLO. This sounds like a + to me.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:22:16 AM
It would help if I knew who that is  :V

And Li, you should vote Merry now, or at least unvote/vote someone not me.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:22:48 AM
Everyone vote Merry today, vote someone else if Merry isn't scum.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Skull on October 31, 2011, 06:23:53 AM
Looking at the roles,
and considering the possibility of Mr.Krabs saying he will die at night to be a delaying tactic.
I prefer Krabs over anyone else.

##Vote Mr.Krabs

No one counter claimed Saki, so its true.
Mime is a confirmed role by me, so Merryweather is cleared.
Duffman is mod-confirmed missing Mason.
Merryweather confirmed Alpha 60 as town.
Which leaves "Doctor" Mr.Krabs
And Shang Li.

Mr.Krabs doesn't do any good with all his wifom.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:25:27 AM
GILGAMESH UNVOTE ME NOW
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 06:25:32 AM
:V

I'm 90% sure even if we let you live you wouldn't be doing any killing.

Errm yeah no I'm not seeing anyone else today since Saki scum is silly and Li is still bleedin town.

Oh and Gilgamesh just because I'm a mime doesn't mean I'm clear so keep that in mind for later.  Yeah?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:27:14 AM
Mime is a confirmed role by me, so Merryweather is cleared.
ROLE NAMES ARE NOT INDICATIVE OF ALIGNMENT. MAYBE SHE MADE A FAKECLAIM USING THE SAME ROLENAME?

Cut by Merry
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:28:23 AM
Mime sounds like copying an action right? Maybe she made a fakeclaim and called it a cop role, copping people we know the alignment of or are almost completely sure of.?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kitten4u on October 31, 2011, 06:28:42 AM
>V-V-V-Votecount! Serela I am angryfacing you

Captain Li Shang (0)
Alpha 60 (0):
Saki Morimi (0)
Merryweather (1) Mr. Krabs
Mr.Krabs (3): Merryweather, Captain Li Shang, Gilgamesh
Duffman (1) Saki Morimi
Gilgamesh (0):

Not Voting: Alpha 60, Duffman

Some time left in the day, waiting for Serela to make a count down thing.  Will also let him answer that question. With 7 votes in play it takes 4 to lynch.

Mr. Krabs is at L-1
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:29:09 AM
LI OR GILGA NEED TO UNVOTE ME NOW
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 31, 2011, 06:30:26 AM
Ok I'm going to sleep now.  I don't think Li is scum.  I don't think Duffman is scum.  I don't think Merry is scum.  I don't think Saki is scum.

No lynching and waiting a day WILL hopefully clear stuff up.  I'd let krabs fulfill his role.  Thanks for copping me Merry, I'd thought I shot our only cop. 

I thought I doomed town in a grand way before but I didn't realize we had more powerful towns roles faithfully backing us up.

Also I have nothing to add to my claim.  Wordy Wanda, Dayvig, needs Heart, Wind, Fire, Earth, and Water posted by five different people to activate the vig.

Gil irks me

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 06:31:19 AM
Krabs needs to stop panicking if he's town. It only makes him look worse.

How were we almost completely sure of Alpha's alignment when Merry copped him?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:32:32 AM
IF YOU KILL ME YOU WILL LOSE BOTH A HORRIBLE (but town) PLAYER AND A GOOD/BETTER PLAYER THAN ME.
IF YOU DON'T KILL ME AND LYNCH MERRYWEATHER YOU WILL JUST LOSE A HORRIBLE (but town) PLAYER.
IF MERRYWEATHER FLIPS TOWN (which I doubt she will) THEN THAT JUST MEANS ONE LESS SUSPECT.

Cut twice. @Li: Alpha being town was pretty obvious considering what he did was nowhere near scum's best interest.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:33:11 AM
Another thing, Li, if you believe I'm town you will unvote me this instant.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:33:42 AM
Because incase anyone hasn't realised, I'm at L-1
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Skull on October 31, 2011, 06:34:22 AM
Mr.Krabs, why are you so panicked?
Your going to die at night anyways aren't you?
So why are you so scared of being a lynch?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 06:34:32 AM
Why are you so worried about being at L-1? This isn't LYLO. I'd like to assume the people who currently aren't voting are wary enough that they wouldn't derphammer you.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 31, 2011, 06:35:28 AM
btw.  I prefer no lynch by numbers alone.  gives us another no lynch option in case Krabs is telling the truth and protects someone during the night

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 06:36:05 AM
MY GOD I'M AT L-1

How dare you call me horrible town.

Alpha, Li, Saki I will kill one of them today just to ensure a win
We can get Krabs tomorrow when he's lied.

##Unvote:
##Vote: Saki

We are NOT no lynching.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:36:43 AM
I'm so worried about being at L-1 because I don't want some scum to hammer me and for town to have lost a lynch.

Cut 2 times.

THANK YOU MERRY! I still think you are scum.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kitten4u on October 31, 2011, 06:36:57 AM
Votecount is fixed :V
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:37:31 AM
Although Merry didn't get her vote bolded  :ohdear:
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:38:08 AM
EBWOP: In Merry's post not the votecount.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kitten4u on October 31, 2011, 06:38:24 AM
>V-V-V-Votecount! See, this is why I shouldn't make vote counts

Captain Li Shang (0)
Alpha 60 (0):
Saki Morimi (1) Merryweather
Merryweather (1) Mr. Krabs
Mr.Krabs (2): Captain Li Shang, Gilgamesh
Duffman (1) Saki Morimi
Gilgamesh (0):

Not Voting: Alpha 60, Duffman

Some time left in the day, waiting for Serela to make a count down thing.  Will also let him answer that question. With 7 votes in play it takes 4 to lynch.

Mr. Krabs is at L-2
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 06:38:39 AM
Why Saki over Alpha, Merry? Do you think she's lying about the N1 shot, or do you think her going for a gambit is more likely than Alpha being a Godfather?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 31, 2011, 06:39:51 AM
How would lynching one of us ensure a win? 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 06:40:19 AM
Also, I have a QT with Alpha right now, but... nothing he's said has made me lean one way or another based on logic. I do get good vibes from his posts, but that might just be the player's personality, so I'm basically confused.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 06:41:19 AM
Would need to do that re-read that I've been putting off to decide between them, I think. Maybe just an ISO? IDK.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Skull on October 31, 2011, 06:41:37 AM
...........
@Note: Merryweather did not say *Town Win*
@Note: Merryweather is considering godfather/godmother Alpha 60 aftering getting Town Results.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 06:42:57 AM
As much as I don't want to "game" a game.  Role shenanigans should make this autowin unless you do something silly like lynch Duffman.

Honestly it's just because of the cop thing and any of you three feels like a mislynch with you know krabs right there lying to us.
But we can prove he's lying tomorrow in case I am horribly horribly wrong.  Somehow.

I'm clear, this is confirmable though not right now ok?
Duffman is clear
Gilgamesh is clear
we have 3 mislynchs with one able to verify out of the 3 suspects.
If he's lying then tomorrow we win.
If for some reason he's not then he dies and we can lynch either you, Li, or Alpha.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:43:34 AM
If Merry isn't scum, either Li or Alpha are scum.
Saki is cleared because of common sense and noone cc'ed her Kanji vig.
Duffman and Gilga are confirmed town.
I will stay true to my word.
Li I think is so town.
Alpha I think is town.
Merry I think is scum.
But if Merry flips town, then look heavily at both Alpha and Li.
Cut by Merry saying what I was saying.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:44:12 AM
Just trust me. Vote Merry.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 06:44:29 AM
Goddam,
Ok Krabs, if I were suddenly to become confirmed town, who would you lynch?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:45:02 AM
How would you become confirmed town?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 06:46:20 AM
I can be, that's all that needs to be said for now.

Who would you lynch?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:47:46 AM
I would probably lynch Li.

If anyone wants, we can lynch Alpha today, I can sacrifice myself, she can cop Li.

But only if you truly believe her to be town.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:49:24 AM
She being Merry.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Skull on October 31, 2011, 06:49:30 AM
I ask you all, do you all have dual abilities of sorts?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 31, 2011, 06:50:16 AM
Now that I think about it.  would the yellow pill work against god-fathers?  It might be there expressly for that purpose since it is a truth serum and not an actual cop check.  It seems stronger no?  AAll i can say is that if there is one, it isn't me :/.  I don't know if there is anybody else that might fit though.

There is no good way to satisfy your curiosity until tomorrow krabs.  When you should be dead :/
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:52:18 AM
There is no good way to satisfy your curiosity until tomorrow krabs.  When you should be dead :/
Which is why I'm asking everyone to vote Merry.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 06:52:31 AM
I don't have a secondary ability.

The lynch Alpha, sac Krabs, cop Li plan seems like the best way to go about this to me, actually.

##Unvote
##Vote Alpha 60
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:55:51 AM
Okay then. Let's go with that.

##Unvote
##Vote:Alpha 60


If Li comes up scum to Merry, don't forget that Merry could be lying.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 06:57:05 AM
Fuck me.

I'm going to bed hopefully we can kill Krabs tomorrow right?

##Unvote:
##Vote: Alpha 60
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 06:57:20 AM
Those are probably going to be my last words based on how quick you guys lynch Alpha.

Assuming we do lynch Alpha that is.

And I'm going to put emphasis on the "could" in my previous post.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 31, 2011, 06:57:47 AM
One question.  What ever happened to the red pill given to Duffman and did it do anything?

I'd like that one question answered before I go and vote myself.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 31, 2011, 06:59:35 AM
Is duffman online to answer this?  I'm going to sleep.  If duffman gives a satisfying answer, you guys can lynch me.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 07:00:04 AM
I was just thinking that question too. Stop reading my mind

I think I'll wait for that question to be answered too.
##Unvote
Just so we don't have any early hammers. Presuming I'm around when that question is answered, I'll revote Alpha.

Cut.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kitten4u on October 31, 2011, 07:01:13 AM
>V-V-V-Votecount! I should be asleep right now!

Captain Li Shang (0)
Alpha 60 (2): Captain Li Shang, Merryweather
Saki Morimi (0)
Merryweather (0)
Mr.Krabs (1): Gilgamesh
Duffman (1) Saki Morimi
Gilgamesh (0):

Not Voting: Alpha 60, Duffman, Mr. Krabs

Some time left in the day, waiting for Serela to make a count down thing.  Will also let him answer that question. With 7 votes in play it takes 4 to lynch.

Alpha 60 is at L-2
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 07:02:27 AM
@K4U: Alpha should be at L-2. And it says he has no number of votes too.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: W on October 31, 2011, 07:03:29 AM
I'm tempted to post "I am eating cake and it is delicious". And then leaving for a day. I think it would be awesome.

The only reason Alpha isn't clear is because the three archetypical roles are roleblocker, rolecop and godfather. The other two scum have essentially been beefed up versions of the other two, right? It would seem possible in a game with a watcher, lie detector and cop for there to be a way around them. If both the jailer and doctor are real, as well as what Saki claims, there is also likely someone that has unblockable kills. I think it would be better to lynch someone else today, facepalm and lynch Krabs tomorrow, then it would be to lynch Krabs today, facepalm when one of the confirmed town dies, then wonder what the hell to do tomorrow.

Although I'm still at the point of wondering what the hell to do today.
I don't have an ability other then being the cutest. I'm very good at that one! <^_^>
I.. am still not sure who to lynch. I -think- scum tried to kill Li. I think unblockable will eventually put Gilga back on the table but DGFG he's so townie. And I've always thought Saki was my viggy bro. Merryweather has been confirmed town since like Day 1 seriously look at those posts. oh my god why is everyone town

I think the most iffy person left is Li. There hasn't been anyone else with a duplicate role bt DGFG if he's scum.

Duffman's red pill is totally awesome. Duffman is probably not going to eat it since we'll have a doctor (or not LOL). It's right in my pocket where it belongs.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 07:04:51 AM
Question answered.

##Vote: Alpha 60

C'mon Duffman, join me.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: W on October 31, 2011, 07:08:46 AM
YES QUICKLYNCHING IS ALWAYS THE WAY TO GO

Are you trying to give me candy, boy?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 07:09:15 AM
No.
I'm trying to give you the best case scenario.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 07:10:30 AM
I would say something but have to wait to Serela to not ignore my questions first.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 07:10:43 AM
*wait for
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 07:11:36 AM
Serela isn't online.

Also, @K4U: Will you be able to post the flips, or do we have to wait for Serela?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kitten4u on October 31, 2011, 07:12:10 AM
I will not be posting flips
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 07:42:52 AM
Urgh, I'm the last scum. Just lynch me so I can stop worrying about this game. Sorry to Kanji and Barney for not being able to go through with this mentally, being paranoid and feeling pessimistic is not good in mafia, apparently. I think I'm going to take a break after this.

##Unvote
##Vote Captain Li Shang
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: W on October 31, 2011, 07:46:24 AM
What is the best scenario here? For me it's the one that involves the game being over today. @_@
No-lynch isn't needed because going from 7 to 6 would be the same numberoflyncheswise as 7 to 5

God damnit. As much fun as quicklynching in a day would be, instead of running through the viable lynches I think we should actually read the game. -.- before this day began we were thinking.. uhm...

Or yknow I could have been right about Li being the last scum? Okay then!

##Vote Li Shang
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 07:47:40 AM
I had fun with our quicktopic at least despite all the stress this game gave me after Kanji died, so thanks.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 07:48:27 AM
Fine by me.

I always seem to have a gut feeling on the last scum.

##Unvote
##Vote:Li Shang
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: W on October 31, 2011, 07:48:54 AM
;_;

KARMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 07:49:12 AM
Also, my actual role is SCUM HIJACKER NEIGHBORIZER. I neighborize the player my target gets hijacked to. It's pretty much the worst trap ever given Orange's role and is a huge contributor to me giving up.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 07:50:06 AM
I'm not sure if anyone else is around. So should we just end the game here?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: W on October 31, 2011, 07:52:48 AM
Oh come on there has to be someone else around. <.<
DUFFMAN DEMANDS QUICKLYNCHES! ON HIS SCUM NEIGHBOURIZOR!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kitten4u on October 31, 2011, 07:57:33 AM
The game is not over.  Stop with the post-game stuff
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 07:59:16 AM
It might as well be over. Scum already gave up.
Can't we just call it a day?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 07:59:58 AM
Mods can't end the game because Saki is obv third party.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kitten4u on October 31, 2011, 08:00:10 AM
The game is not over.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 08:00:45 AM
Mods can't end the game because Saki is obv third party.
Lol.

Will the game be over if someone votes Li then?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 08:01:12 AM
(that was a joke, but actually makes a lot of sense, so idk)
(or it would, if the real third party wasn't me, Jester Hijacker Neighborizer)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 08:03:01 AM
(I know it was a joke, I was just saying lol)
(Besides, doesn't third party win with the winning faction?)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 08:03:24 AM
if saki actually is a third party then I'm sorry for dicking things up for him, wasn't thinking

Krabscut: Depends on their wincon
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: W on October 31, 2011, 08:04:52 AM
If he actually is a third party I will feel no regret for never dating that two-timer. >.>
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 08:05:28 AM
It's not like we'll vote for Saki just because you said she is a third party. We definitely won't do it if you said it's just a joke.

I see.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 08:05:41 AM
ALSO Duffman that post about our quicktopic wasn't intended as scum gloating, that was genuinely my favorite part of D2. It would have kicked ass if I were town, too bad I wasn't.

I don't know if this counts as postgame stuff because it's nothing I couldn't say ingame.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 08:05:51 AM
if I were confirmed scum anyway
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 08:07:50 AM
When it comes down to one scum remaining, I should trust my gut.
GA - Gut read on Youmu
VMII - Gut read on Bard
This game - Gut read on Li

My gut is awesome.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 08:09:39 AM
I don't mean to be a buzzkill, but I don't think that's coming from your gut so much as paranoia telling you that the towniest of the possible suspects is scum. I get the impression that happens to everyone.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 08:10:25 AM
...then again you had the read on me before D3 happened, so I dunno.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 08:11:01 AM
My gut read on you, and my gut read on Bard were both from the beginning of the game.
The one on Youmu was around the middle/slightly early game.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 08:14:12 AM
I actually pre-sent my sacrifice message.
I even wrote poems for Saki and the Sacrifice.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 08:14:37 AM
Protect poems that is.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: W on October 31, 2011, 08:27:07 AM
Didn't you have a gut read on Bardiche too? <.<
And everyone that was popular? <.<
And didn't you help Youmu win anyways? <^_^>

Uhm anyways, as much fun as this is, we should stop spamming the topic and wait for someone else to --------[] the scum (I loved our QT too!) so Serela can write me some sexy flavor about REUNITING WITH KEVIN *_*
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 08:29:05 AM
Every other gut read seems to dissapear, except the first ones I get.

I normally trust logic over gut. Experience has taught me otherwise.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 08:29:45 AM
Kevin died when he was killed N1.

I'd say something about Zak being scary but I think I was just playing badly D1. Which is why Kanji lined up my mislynch.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Pesco on October 31, 2011, 08:29:52 AM
(http://tinyurl.com/3vkrytg)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 08:30:56 AM
Pesco, then why don't you delete all these posts, replace /in for me and win the game?

[pesco]I'm mod-spy[/pesco]
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 08:32:57 AM
You can delete the posts, BUT YOU CAN'T DELETE OUR MEMORY!!!!

Though knowing me I'll forget in 5 miuntes anyway :V
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kitten4u on October 31, 2011, 08:34:58 AM
Game is still not over guys. :V
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 08:35:56 AM
I don't know if this counts as postgame stuff because it's nothing we couldn't say ingame.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 08:36:14 AM
you should probably just lock the thread until serela gets back
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 08:36:35 AM
Serela's online now.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kitten4u on October 31, 2011, 08:37:34 AM
There's been no hammer.  Li is at L-1.  I think it would be inappropriate to lock it.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 08:39:45 AM
[attachimg=1 width=220]
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: W on October 31, 2011, 08:49:11 AM
Oh yeah uh if the game keeps on going don't kill yourself okay.

Li: LIES! I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALA KEEVIN!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 08:50:28 AM
Krabs is the fourth scum. Note how I tried to swing the wagon off of him and onto Alpha today.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 08:51:42 AM
I'm seriously the doc.
Note how you're trying to swing the wagons back onto me.  :derp:
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 08:52:25 AM
Also, Duffman, what does DGFG mean? That really confused me but I never asked ingame.

##Unvote
##Vote Mr. Krabs
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 08:53:00 AM
Serela went offline again :(

Cut
Stop trying to drag the game out.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Punch Hopper on October 31, 2011, 08:54:42 AM
:l

##Unvote
##Vote Captain Li Shang
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 08:55:24 AM
And besides, I made the suggestion to swing the wagons back on Alpha, you were scummy enough to follow through.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: W on October 31, 2011, 09:02:41 AM
It means me hitting random keys on the keyboard to express my inability to think. :V
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Kiva-la on October 31, 2011, 09:07:11 AM
:V

Dubiously Gullible Funny Godfather.
idk, just making things up.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Skull on October 31, 2011, 11:39:56 AM
Hammering
##Unvote
##Vote Captain Li Shang
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 3 Start)
Post by: Serela on October 31, 2011, 10:14:24 PM
The town talked up a storm, and finally, the last scum just... gave in to the pressure!

Looks like Dependent Deborah was finally getting more attention then she could handle.

Captain Li Shang was lynched, playing Triplet of Manipulation, Dependent Deborah.

It is now N3. Please send in your night actions.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Night 3)
Post by: Serela on October 31, 2011, 10:20:38 PM
Oh and Dependent Deborah's power was neighborizing hijacker. She could target one person during the night and redirect their night action to another person; and the person the power was redirected to also got neighborized (Private QT)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Night 3)
Post by: Serela on October 31, 2011, 11:02:04 PM
During the night... Mr,Krabs, playing Virgin Mary, was... hit by mod lightning!

As well, Duffman, playing Stockholm Steve, was nowhere to be found!

The Virgin Mary could protect one player per night. Or, she could sacrifice herself to prevent all other nightkills, and then have this action modconfirmed at day start.

Stockholm Steve could target one person per night to alignment-cop, and also had a mod-confirmed-as-town partner.

With 4 votes in play it takes 3 to lynch. The game is in Pseudo-LyLo. Day 4 starts now. 72 hours remain.

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Pesco on October 31, 2011, 11:04:42 PM
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Char.jpg)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 11:07:52 PM
What in the goddam hell. I'm so royally pissed off right now.

Let's see. You claimed redirecter Saki. Why did you move me away from what I was doing and onto Krabs?
##Vote: Saki
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 11:14:06 PM
Merryweather why do we have a flipped Cop. What the fuck. And if you Copped Alpha 60 and got a Town result, why did you propose he was scummy alongside me without providing any reasoning to really believe this? Why do you insist I am scum, then later go back and say SAKI SCUM IS SILLY.

Do we have four scum or three scum and an ITP? Either way, Merryweather, explain this.

Cut by Merry. What the blazing shits are you talking about? I didn't act at all tonight because I already used my redirect shot on N2. All I have left is LOL KINGMAKER DAY and slap speech impairments on someone, neither of which seemed like an exciting choice to me.

Also please pray explain why the shit I would redirect a cop Merryweather to KRABS, of all fudging people. Duffman was clear by virtue of Masonry, you *Were* clear for being the Cop, Gilgamesh was clear by virtue of roleblock and Alpha 60 was copped as Town.

Why would I redirect to KRABS and not force you to investigate someone we already know was Town IF I REDIRECTED YOUR ASS?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 11:15:32 PM
In fact if I had a redirect shot left I'd've made the Cop check me out, because being confirmed Town WOULD HAVE BEEN PRETTY GODDAMN NICE instead of I dunno, the only guy who could've been a counter-wagon to me due not being auto-cleared.

What are you smoking?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on October 31, 2011, 11:16:04 PM
Well, this is strange. Kill scum every single day, end in MyLo. Role madness is amazing.

Also
Merryweather is
Schezo
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 11:18:26 PM
##Vote: Merryweather

In fact, why don't you explain right the hell now why Duffman flipped Cop. I don't think you're a Town-aligned Cop, if you are one at all. You said you are the Mime, I think you just Mimed Duffman's ability and learned his Cop result. You've been going around all day demanding people's roleclaims and biting people for lifting a little bit of the role skirt, I think you can explain yourself this time.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 31, 2011, 11:23:27 PM
Holy crap, guys, a redirecter isn't a busdriver. A busdriver specifically swaps two targets, and while I have a shot of that I haven't used it for obvious reasons.Yes, problem? Process of elimination once Duffman dies, and if he ain't scum I'd be surprised.

so.  I believe you still have this.  Why didn't you say "no i didn't use it" instead of "Jeez merryweather I already used my redirect, here's some other useless stuff I still have that doesn't redirect in any way!"?

>____>

Also I know why Merry claimed cop.  will reveal later.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 31, 2011, 11:25:40 PM
Also are you a triplet Saki? I might be able to clear the person who is.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 31, 2011, 11:27:46 PM
Also.  merryweather full claim everything.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 11:27:56 PM
Because that'd require massive amounts of foresight on who Merry'd target to even feasibly swap her target? >_> It's not something I'd consider a reasonable choice.


And sadly no, I'm not a Triplet. I'm Fidgeting Fiona, gadgeteer.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 11:30:44 PM
Also a bus driver isn't a redirecter and like I said, I'd rather have the Cop check me out than redirect her to someone like Krabs: a Town result on him by the Cop would've likely let whoever-the-fuck is the 4th scum or ITP sail to victory on a Saki lynch, since everyone else is cleared by virtue of shenanigans. Bus driving is so incredibly unreliable that I consider it a power on-par with Governor: completely. fudging. useless, don't ever employ.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 11:33:15 PM
... Now hold on a fucking second.

##Unvote

If Merryweather is a Serial Killer or scum, and she stole her power from Duffman, then killing Duffman would be tantamount to suicide. That'd be so dropdead retarded it won't work.

So either Alpha60 or Gilgamesh? The former has a day vig shot, verified, and I don't think you'd go the lengths with such an act just to pray beg you won't be lynched so... process of elimination demands Gilgamesh be the last one but that can't be right.

Wtf.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 11:33:26 PM
Fuck me. Fuck what I did and fuck the redirecter.

I am really a mime in a strict sense.
I do mimic people and I used it right after the vig. I got Bo Peep's role. The jailkeeper mason.
I also had this motherfucking lameass restriction that I had to roleblock/protect the cop. We shared a mason topic and I got 100% confirmed about her alignment.

I claimed cop for her so 1 she might get a second chance to use it. Fuck she allowed me to claim for her without throwing a hussy so she did trust me enough since I didn't kill her night 2, the more competent investigative role.

I acutually am willing to prove my role tonight to roleblock you or Alpha. If there is no kill then the last scum should be obvious.
##Unvote:
##Vote:No lynch.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 11:34:15 PM
##Vote: Serela

I think Serela's the last non-Town.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 11:34:40 PM
She got a result since her pill made her invincible n2
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 11:37:37 PM
@MOD: Does scum/ITP need to kill every night?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 31, 2011, 11:39:11 PM
Cut by Merry. What the blazing shits are you talking about? I didn't act at all tonight because I already used my redirect shot on N2. All I have left is LOL KINGMAKER DAY and slap speech impairments on someone, neither of which seemed like an exciting choice to me.
Quote
Holy crap, guys, a redirecter isn't a busdriver. A busdriver specifically swaps two targets, and while I have a shot of that I haven't used it for obvious reasons.Yes, problem? Process of elimination once Duffman dies, and if he ain't scum I'd be surprised.

You forgot you said that didn't you.  I think you are thrid-party.  Give me a second to read over Merryweather's claim.  Gilgamesh, are you a triplet?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Serela on October 31, 2011, 11:39:28 PM
@MOD: Does scum/ITP need to kill every night?
Nope
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on October 31, 2011, 11:42:46 PM
Alpha 60
I am Gossip Gabby
Not a Triplet.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on October 31, 2011, 11:44:58 PM
Alpha 60. You understand you propose I bus drove Krabs and Duffman, right? This makes no sense as there was just no way that would have cleared me in any way. Why the hell would I have bus driven Krabs and Duffman? I didn't do it.

Merry, I understand my redirection shot specifically tells people they are redirected, and my busdrive shot would not tell people their target had been swapped. Were you informed your target had been swapped, Y/N?


Cut by mod. As far as I care we're lynching today then. Roleblock me, abstain from kill, acquire victory. Yeahno.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on October 31, 2011, 11:48:26 PM
All I know is I targeted Krabs when Duffman was still my impulsive.

We're lynching today then.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on October 31, 2011, 11:52:10 PM
...On another note, from what I know, everyone had a continous ability/double.
Duffbeer - 3 pills with Various effects.
Duffman - Mason confirmed Cop
Bo Peep - roleblock protect + Mason
Orange is like Neighborhood
Saki - Redirector, One Shot something.
Kanji - scum rolecop
Megaman.EXE - Recieves messages from the dead.
Bardiche - Watcher
Mr.Krabs - Doctor + Sacrifice to prevent any deaths.
Gilgamesh - Identifier + Roles of > Triplets, Werewolf, and Mime.
Merryweather - Copies abilities
Alpha 60 - One Shot Restricted Vig

...Hey looking at the roles, Alpha 60 is the only one that doesn't have atleast dual or continous ability. The fact that after that one vig he was effectively a Vanilla townie...
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on October 31, 2011, 11:58:36 PM
Triplet question was a trap.  I highly suspect another triplet exists and is 3rd party since the other two were scum and town.

My class ends in 10 min (playing mafia while trying to work is not so good for me).  I'm going to go home try to comprehend merry's claim to what I know from my convo with Li.

Saki you comprehend the problem is that you have a busdriver ability, yet you flipped on Merry because she claimed her action got redirected to krabs, and the reason you gave was that "I already used my redirect N2".  You said all you had left was Kingmaker + role restricter niether of which redirects actions.  I think you simply forgot that you mentioned previously that you had a busdriver shot.   
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 12:00:58 AM
OK OK, so the choices are thus for me:

Merryweather: Lied about being a Cop but is right in that DUFFMAN didn't counter-claim her and that makes sense if she IS a Mime in the traditional sense and became a Mason with Duffman. Also killing Duffman makes no goddamn sense for Merryweather as an ITP or Scum. No sense at all.

Gilgamesh: Hasn't weighed in and contributed much. My case on him would be "active lurking lol" but I admit to blindsiding with regards to him and I really need to fix that. Also ITP with inside knowledge, identification of anonymous accounts, a kill AND another night action to redirect Merryweather? Seems unlikely to have three night actions.

Alpha 60: Shot the Lie Detector before the results came out, which DOESN'T MAKE ANY GODDAMN SENSE for ITP and I now need to revisit that logic.

Honestly. All three of you have some goddamn reason logic demands you're not it. Merryweather I think has the strongest position, her killing Duffman and redirecting herself to Krabs seems hella risky on the offchance Gilgamesh, Saki or Alpha 60 were hiding an investigation shot and Masonry is confirmed Alignment, right? Unless that somehow made Duffman ITP (confirmed not to be the case) I don't think it's really possible Merry is our mark.

So Gil or Alpha 60. Goddamnit.


Cut. Speech restricter, Alpha 60. I can hit someone with a speech impairment that'd give them a mod vote against them if they broke it, but it seemed too much of a troll to use. I stopped thinking about my bus drive shot because from the start I discarded it as fucking useless and anti-Town.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 12:02:04 AM
Not to mention modvoting people is too risky for me when I'm not sure who is scum and I rather think making it difficult for someone to talk is hardly anything Pro-Town.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 12:09:43 AM
Fuck it I'm tired. I think you're the ITP, based on GUT! It worked for Dufman it'll work for me.

##Unvote
##Vote: Alpha60
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 12:16:37 AM
I looked again at roles. Or the Flipped Triplets specifically.

Bardiche - Town - Watcher
Captain Li Shang - Scum - Redirecting Private QT
??? - ITP - ???

So one person watches, one redirects and has communication, and one kills.
All the roles that I started out knowing so far has been town.

Which leaves for me Saki or Alpha 60, and I refuse to believe that in a role madness someone will only get a restricted ONE SHOT. When everyone else has continous or dual/triple abilities.

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on November 01, 2011, 12:40:11 AM
Yeah, mine was a one time mime on an already dead person. Can't switch after I choose.

So yeah that reread thing. Will lynch only Alpha or Saki.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 12:41:04 AM
Quote
I refuse to believe that in a role madness someone will only get a restricted ONE SHOT. When everyone else has continous or dual/triple abilities.

Quote
So one person watches, one redirects and has communication, and one kills.

Gilgamesh, if you are town, you better start thinking and stop speculating on roles alone.  Your own ability is absolutely useless, surely in role maddness, no ability can be that useless, amiright? .  Btw, do you realize Saki had a vig as well and other stuff that seems particulary suited for an ITP.  They all cause confusion. 

Excuse me while I digest Merry's claim while I calmly sip on some tea.  I have additional info I'll reveal afterwards.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 12:50:53 AM
Questions for you Merryweather.  Did you target Duffman N2 and did it go through?  You still have Bo peep's roleblock protect?  The blue pill you ate yesterday, was that real?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 01:04:39 AM
Alpha 60, what was your role name again?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on November 01, 2011, 01:04:48 AM
Targetted her n2 yes but she was invicible and immune and got a cop even with me
Yes, I still have Bo Peep's power role
Pill was fake, we misremembered which pill she had (red) and gambitted a bit to ward the nightkill on me.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 01:13:18 AM
Why wouldn't duffman fake-eat the red pill (which Duffman pretty much confirmed was at least as good as krabs' doctor protect) to ward the kill off him?  That's not important.  Could you tell me what of the secret code you know so I can compare with what Li told me? (I don't think Li is lying about the specifics)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 01:17:03 AM
I am Wordy Wanda.   I don't have w/e Skai attached to the end of his.  Gadgeteer is what he used I believe.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 01:19:06 AM
@Alpha 60: I was thinking more along the lines of why you didn't have another abilities to complement your vig at all, considering the fact that everyone else had continous or 2 abilities atleast.

On another note, I remember Merryweather having communication problems with herself earlier in the game.
With 3 people specifically.

There is also the possibility of Merryweather killing Duffman purely due to the fact that Duffman was cop, and did not wish to allow Duffman to live, and then get cleared due to madness.

Also, with the fact that Merryweather claimed to beable to take powers and actually KEEP them.
Her clearing of Alpha 60 can be seen as earning town creds.
I believe her abilities are best suited as ITP.

##Vote Merryweather
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 01:24:03 AM
Also question to Serela.  Why was Krabs Modkilled.  That was the most annoying thing ever.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 01:28:08 AM
Alpha 60 where is all this additional information coming from?

... Gil, are you for real.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 01:31:11 AM
It's coming from my QT with Li D3.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on November 01, 2011, 01:31:52 AM
Gilgamesh use your head.
The three sisters were my good fairy roleplaying.
Mime was a one time thing and I'm still Bo Peep's WW jailkeeper.


I think Krabs died because I got switched to him and roleblocked him.

Chai Tea was the word.
And he didn't fake eat it because we though I would be OBSESSIVELY COMPULSIVELY PROTECTING HIM.

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 01:37:19 AM
Quote
Btw, do you realize Saki had a vig as well and other stuff that seems particulary suited for an ITP.  They all cause confusion. 

You're seriously telling Gil not to use role shens alone AND proposing role shens alone in the same post? >_>
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 01:41:55 AM
No saki.  I'm trying to turn his logic back on him.  Stay calm Saki.   

Merryweather all you know is Chai tea?  Did not duffman explain his what was going on in his QT with Li?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on November 01, 2011, 01:49:20 AM
Other stuff.
Gil do you think the cop would let me clear people with reports for no reason without first telling me to. Fuck no.
Duffman called me confirmed town yesterday because guess what I was to him, why would I kill someone confirming my innocence?  Keep in mind even with reports, I don't have to fear her getting them when I'm still a compulsive jailkeeper.

All I know was I was Chai Tea to let him know something was up and that it was me having contact with Duffman.   
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 01:51:48 AM
Kinda hard to stay calm when you're frustrated because no one seems to logically flow into third party much, and your GUT! read is then doing weird things.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Serela on November 01, 2011, 01:52:16 AM
>V-V-V-Votecount! LyLo Edition

Saki Morimi
Merryweather (1) : Gilgamesh
Alpha60 (1) : Saki Morimi
Gilgamesh

3 votes to lynch. A whole lot of hours left in the day. The reason for modkill will be revealed postgame.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 02:16:25 AM
OK gonna sleep.

##Unvote

Rather not see a quickhammer happen while blindsided.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: W on November 01, 2011, 01:00:14 PM
(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3496/duffmansaysalotofthings.jpg)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on November 01, 2011, 04:10:31 PM
Waiting for Alpha to explain what I'm supposed to say and why I said it.

And for Gilgamesh to find a semijustifiable reason to vote me. (hint: there's not one)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 04:18:20 PM
Ok, so in my QT with Li, Li explained that he and Duffman used a secret code to declare their targets for the neighborizer/cop abilites.  However, Li seemed not to know that you had a QT with Duffman D2 or D3 until you mentioned "Chai tea" which is the code word denoting yourself.  I was wondering if Duffman said anything about the code and if he wanted you to say "Chai tea" in thread for some reason.

(Also it's cool when people share the same time zones :D)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 04:40:46 PM
I was supposed to be "flummoxing gait" according to Li, but I don't see that anywhere D2 by either Duffman or Li. 

For example,

I thought I doomed town in a grand way before but I didn't realize we had more powerful towns roles faithfully backing us up.

"grand doomer" meant gilgamesh and "faithful backup" meant saki.  I only said to suggest copping either Gil or Saki.  (I am still not sure if the blue pill lasted into the night or not.  Of course besides Duffbeer... and I guess merry, I have the only active day role, so it probably did).
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 04:53:23 PM
Also, did you randomly get bo peep's role or did you chose it?  Because I'm wondering why you wouldn't have chosen Duffbeer's powers or even Kanji's powers.

For the record, I still think Saki is the ITP.  The only thing that makes me hesitate is why Saki would bus drive Krabs/Duffman.  Because that doesn't make sense for him unless he has knowledge that merrymeather would have targeted Duffman with the roleblock/protect.  Or unless he thought Merryweather would cop Krabs.   But in that case he would have to have a way to be able to kill duffman assuredly to make it a 1v1 vs merryweather.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 04:54:15 PM
Oh actually, you get the 100% confirmed mason  :derp:
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 04:59:40 PM
Nothing at all! Well, at least I wasn't blindsided.

Is this talk of secret codes and stuff relevant at all to finding the ITP in our midst, Alpha 60? I'm not seeing it.


Cut. If it doesn't make sense it's because I'm not the ITP.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 05:12:50 PM
Listen, there's NO WAY that I would've known Merryweather's inclination to compulsively target Duffman unless I am an ITP with a rolecop shot, and I used it on Bo Peep or Merryweather N1 to know that Merryweather was not what she claimed to be or Bo Peep had a compulsive part. For all intents and purposes, if I knew Bo Peep's role then I STILL would not have simply been able to reason Merryweather was actually an Inheritor and not a Cop.

It just doesn't make sense, and rightfully the only one who knows more about the roles is Gilgamesh as he was told they existed in advance in addition to having a functional vanilla power. It seems far more likely to me that Gilgamesh would know about Merryweather's powers and/or Bo Peep's powers, because just having knowledge of either would not let anyone connect the two dots. It's just crazy.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on November 01, 2011, 06:26:28 PM
I don't know anymore code because:
-I didn't expect my codebreaker to die
-chai tea was a safety net in the case of Li being scum that I was in contact with Duffman.  It was only the bare essentials for him he knew not our roles etc. I'm pretty sure.

It wasn't random. I chose Bo Peep's role because for one I thought I could jailkeep whoever the fuck I wanted not the cop. And two it came with a mason.
I didn't want rolecop because yeah a lot of good that is, when a protection role is available.
And fuck getting a jack of all trades pills when I was only aware of the one shot roleblock, jailkeeper could protect and roleblock, so I figured it was the better choice.

Just throwing it out there that drivekilling can go around protects. Since you know I wasn't going to target Krabs.
Alpha can you fullclaim flavor and everything again?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 07:05:35 PM
Except you claimed Cop: making you Cop Krabs and get Duffman's TOWN result would be tantamount to suicide. As I said, my bus drive shot would NOT inform the user that their target had changed. It's completely chaotic and useless.

Besides, Merryweather: you specifically said you were redirected. Did your PM or did it not tell you you had been redirected? I already used my redirect shot to ward off shots against Li Shang who I thought was Town at the time: since he isn't we can safely assume my shot did nothing and he just murdered Bardiche.

Yes, that was stupid of me and I really should've thought about it more but I didn't feel anyone else was scummy enough to direct the shot to and clearing Bardiche solely on role shens didn't strike me as the thing to do. I don't subscribe to roleclaim = auto-confirm as Town, and it's not crazy to have two scum wagons.

Going around protects by drivekilling assumes I knew:
A) Duffman is really the Cop.
B) Merryweather is not actually a Cop but a Mime, and her ability lets her take an ability from the dead.
C) Merryweather became a Mason and Jailer after Alpha60 shot Duff Beer.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 07:09:22 PM
Sure. I'm wordy wanda, and I use words to help me.

After 5 separate people post one of each of Earth, Fire, Wind, Water, Heart (one of the five could be me) I can summon a hero (a.k.a captain planet) to vig someone.  I have to quote the five people with the words included then use the command "##GoPlanet: xxxx"

The only thing about Saki is that I am not sure why he'd busdrive duffman and krabs instead of himself and krabs.

after the vig merry, it was obvious that Duffbeer's truth serum was certain truth.    Also the role of bo peep said that the roleblock was complusive to one target :/.  Then again the mason buddy was nice. 

Let me re-read D3, and Duffman specifically to look for interactions.  I'm surprised Duffman did not tell you the code in full.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 07:16:19 PM
Just to confirm, Masons have Confirmed Alignments, right?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 07:58:35 PM
##Unvote
Running things through my mind again.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 08:13:20 PM
On another note, I don't see how there wasn't two deaths every Night, considering the fact there was a ITP and Scum.

Killed will be by scum, disappear by ITP

Lets disect the NKs
N1
Bo Peep - Killed by ???
Kanji - Redirected Disappearace by Saki
N2
Bardiche - Redirect killed by Saki
Megaman.EXE - Modkilled
N3
Mr.Krabs - Modkilled
Duffman - Disappeared by ???

...SO apparantly the only time someone didn't disappear was when I was roleblocked.

Saki I ask of you to claim who you Redirected, since from the sound of Redirection, you Need to Pick 2 People.
Which two did you pick for each night?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 08:42:57 PM
Gil, I'm pretty sure Saki claimed N1 - vig kanji, N2 - redirect anything that happens to Li unto Bard, N3 - Nothing.

Now considering Merry claimed she got redirected unto krabs and Saki claims she did not use her BusDrive ability N3, I happen to think one of them is lying.

As I was rereading a thought struck me.

I think it is possible to verify this if we wait a night by no lynching.  I am currently going over some situations assuming the Itp/last scum (you never know) can kill tonight.  First Saki has to use the busdriver ability. Then Gilgamesh has to confirm it.  Merry then has to protect/roleblock either me or herself.

Of course I don't expect things to go to plan.  The hitch I've encountered so far is this.  If Saki busdrove Gil and himself, would a roleblock/protect take priority over the swap if Merryweather targeted Gil  (as long as Gil himself gets to identify someone I think this will work)?  I haven't gone over all the situations yet, but I'm pretty sure this works.  I shall continue plotting until I find something that works irregardless of who is ITP/scum.

Actually This doesn't work if ITP/Scum targets Saki to kill Gil.  Still I think there is a win somewhere in this.  (Oddly enough this is EXACTLY how to think about calculations/combinations in chess.)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 08:53:56 PM
Alpha 60 all your clarification did is make me suspect Saki more.

Lets change things to what you said.

N1
Bo Peep - NK
Kanji - Vigged - Disappear by Saki
N2
Bardiche - Redirected from Li - Saki
Megaman.EXE - Modkilled
N3
Mr.Krabs - Modkilled
Duffman - Disappeared.

Well what do yah know, from NK actions, I deduct Saki is most likely killer. On the night I ate the roleblock pill,
there was no disappearance, and Saki uses Redirect.
N3
Saki claims to have done nothing, yet 3 scum are dead.
N1 Vigged target has same death flavor as N3.

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 08:56:36 PM
Li claimed to be the last scum. I don't see any reason for him to lie about being the last one.

Alpha 60, there's a hitch in your plan: if Merry targets me, then I can't bus drive. If ITP!Merry claims not to have roleblocked me, who would you believe? Would you believe that I'd been roleblocked if Merry claimed to have targeted herself for protection? What if the mod doesn't tell you if you've been roleblocked if you speak truly and you have only one night action?

Your proposed plan requires a trust of all living members. I'm not afraid to prove I still have the bus drive shot, but I am afraid that if Merry roleblocks me there is no fudging way in hell you'd believe me and simply accuse me of being the ITP.

Gilgamesh, I could only redirect once, and I picked Duffman. All actions targeting Duffman'd hit Bardiche.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 08:57:07 PM
... you're using flavour as a reason to cast suspicion on me? What the fuck.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 09:00:17 PM
Moreover, the opening post states that the scumteam can kill AND use their role in the same night. Why do you think that means an ITP CANNOT do both?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 09:02:05 PM
The above in that just because I used redirect N2 is no reason to imply that is the cause of a missing action: besides, from what Merryweather claims she was redirected last night AND a kill occured.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on November 01, 2011, 09:04:10 PM
... You claimed you redirected from Li -> Bardiche earlier.

Again. All I know is that I successfully did my creepy mime cuddles to Krabs. 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 09:06:31 PM
Er, right, Li->Bardiche. Sorry OK I'm rather distraught over this entire situation, I want this game to end already and lynch the ITP but it's become harder when you try your best to support Town and their response is LOL URE ITP HERE ARE ~ROLE SHENS~
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 09:07:45 PM
That Gilgamesh is now using FLAVOUR of all things to push a mislynch makes me headdesk completely. He's spent all the game being useless and now he's coming back with LOL FLAVOUR HERE YOU GO. Seriously, what the shit, when has a mod ever used flavour to help Town?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 09:20:42 PM
That Gilgamesh is now using FLAVOUR of all things to push a mislynch makes me headdesk completely. He's spent all the game being useless and now he's coming back with LOL FLAVOUR HERE YOU GO. Seriously, what the shit, when has a mod ever used flavour to help Town?

This happened in Px's game.  On two counts.

 I forgot why Merry roleblocking you made sense to me.  Oh, that's because it would clear completely both me and Gil, so in 3 person lylo, we'd have at least one confirmed town.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 09:24:42 PM
"Here's a plan with a flaw; but I don't mind that flaw because it clears me to be Confirmed Townie!"

Yeah, fuck, no.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 09:25:37 PM
Hell yeah I'm adding Flavor to the list is reasons. The main point is still NK analysis.
Then what was your action N2?
Alpha 60 claims that you said you directed anything from Li rather then Duffman
What Merryweather said.

Also you want to know Mod helped players by flavor? [b]PX[/b]
I have reason to be scared.

What Alpha said.

...On another note When did you start using AtE?

Also, how do you forget people you target? Even in pressure, to forget someone you specifically targetted seems quite difficult.
Your mask is cracking.

And I can throw your logic of "If ___ can use kill and roles why can't ___" out the window because if they can, they have no reason to have not had 3 kills by now.

On another note, I read your distraught over this situation as seemingly unable to get a plausible lynch on anyone other then yourself. due to role shenanigans.

##Vote Saki
If I'm wrong screw me, I'm sticking with this.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 09:26:54 PM
Except, Gilgamesh, Merry claims to have been redirected AND a kill happened. So that's your evidence right the fuck there.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 09:32:08 PM
In fact fuck it, there you go.

##Vote: Gilgamesh

The reason there wasn't an N2 kill is because you were roleblocked. Night 3 there was a redirect AND a kill, proving that the ITP can dual-act as well. Your attempts to pretend that they can't are solidly misleading enough.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 09:33:18 PM
##Unvote

I had forgot about something.
Merryweather, You claimed Mime and has copied Bo peep's powers, do you have any other powers or was it one shot obtaining?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 09:33:38 PM
##Unvote
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 09:33:48 PM
Coincidentally you admit you targeted Merryweather tonight by claiming player name and she hasn't denied it; no reason to believe ITP can't have a "cover" ability like that.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 09:38:01 PM
And you keep hounding Alpha and Merry over if they have other abilities: afraid one of them is a Tracker or something? Yeah, I'm just going to go with Gilgamesh. Fuckall for contribution the entire game, just hanging back and never scumhunting, claims functional vanilla in a game where everyone's had a useful game, does nothing but role speculate for the endgame AND pushes wrong logic to attack someone despite there being evidence to the contrary.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if the mod gave ITP a "safeclaim" cover in the form of De-anonymiser.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on November 01, 2011, 09:46:52 PM
Ack oh.  ... Mother fucker.

I can do this Gil lynch you two summed it up nicely.

If for some reason this is wrong, (dear God) it comes down to trying to outguess nod and ITP for me, isn't that exciting?
##Vote:Gilgamesh
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on November 01, 2011, 09:47:40 PM
ebwop. That wasn't alpha who cut me :V
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 09:48:18 PM
Can I fucking self hammer? Because thats how I feel like doing at the moment. But then I can't call myself failed self hammerer...and I know I'm town so doing it is even fucking worse.

Merryweather I want you to answer my question.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 09:54:25 PM
So.  You know there MAY be a way to no lynch to prove one of Gil / Bard is verifing their role.

Also I believe this post makes me confirmed town  :toot:
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 09:55:22 PM
Oh wait Merry could still Roleblock/protect if she is town during the night.

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on November 01, 2011, 09:56:07 PM
Yes, mime was one shot and I've taken on Bo Peep's role for the rest of the game.

It doesn't but you're funny up there.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 09:58:16 PM
It doesn't, Alpha 60: if you'd quickhammer, Merry'd be roleblocking you like all fuck.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 09:59:21 PM
Your plan requires Gil to not lie about his results and Merry to target who she wants. I think Gil is the ITP and he'd lie. That'd be giving him a free ticket to off me. CONSIDER THIS: ITP GIL HAS NO REASON TO CLAIM HIS SHOT GOT REDIRECTED.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 10:01:50 PM
On another note, Merryweather you claim to be modconfirmed due to role but NOTHING Duffman has said makes you town other then his declaration that your town by virtue of words.

Who the fuck would bother redirecting this fucking role?
It makes me pissed when I first read about my role I thought it was role cop, and then all of a sudden I realize its like being a vanilla in a non anon game.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 10:04:36 PM
Gil: except Merry claimed Cop which would draw the NK to her in case they lynched wrong. Would a Survivor/ITP really put themselves in harm's way that much? I simply can't see the Merry!ITP unless she somehow convinced Duffman she's a Survivor (Masons being Confirmed Alignments I presume Duffman was told Merry's alignment) AND thought it was a good idea that the contingency plan should be that SHE claims Cop and becomes Prime Target #1 in case of mislynch.

No, I refuse to accept it. Merry's Town to me.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 10:06:10 PM
Also, ITP Merry wouldn't possibly take on Bo Peep's role without inquiring if the Masonry would confirm them as ITP to the Mason partner. I refuse it. Merry cannot be ITP, because there's no way that trade isn't ridiculously risky and difficult to pull off.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 10:06:41 PM
@Merryweather: Who did you rolecop N2 again?
And who did you rolecop N3?

You are dismissing the fact that Merryweather has a roleblock + rolecop.

So your dismissing everything because its Risky and DIfficult?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 10:08:53 PM
Fuck it let me actually use my role, why the fuck do I need to hide the names just because its anon when I actually have the power.
Gilgamesh - Hero999
Alpha 60 - ActionDan
Saki - Bardiche
Merryweather - Schezo
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on November 01, 2011, 10:09:24 PM
Don't have a ROLECOP. Compulsive on manduff both nights.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 10:10:11 PM
Merry has a Protect + Roleblock. Not RoleCop. And Merry claimed taking the powers for herself on D2, after Alpha used his vig shot. So she only had N2 on which she compulsively guarded Duffman, and N3 on which she compulsively guarded Duffman.

I'm dismissing Merryweather as ITP because that would require SO MANY RISKS that I cannot see SCHEZO, of all people, taking all those risks headon and attempting to run with it. Even I wouldn't take those odds and I do pretty crazy shit for the sake of GAMBITS sometimes.


EDIT: And there you have it, you lied about your power. On LYLO. WHEN did you check Alpha 60, if N1 was spent checking Bo Peep, and N2 was roleblocked, and N3 was spent checking Merryweather?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 10:11:23 PM
Lie?
Thats for Alpha 60 to clear himself with.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 10:12:21 PM
Ok you are right.  There's no way to know :/.  But there is no reason to be hasty.  I have yet to fully re-read D3.

Besides Gilgamesh doing fuck all you had odd behavior yourself, like asking me if I vigged Kanji D2 which reads as if you wanted to alert scum that you were not the one to vig him.  voting merryweather today on the assumption that she claimed to have been redirected when you said that couldn't have happened because you couldn't redirect anymore forgetting about your busdrive abillity.

I'm going to eat dinner.  Then I'll come back to this.  Gil don't self-hammer.

Also I agree Merry is town.  based on the secret  code, and her action, I can't see otherwise.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 10:13:42 PM
Aren't those names obvious? ok eating dinner.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 10:14:43 PM
On another freaking note
@Saki : How many god damn role powers do you freaking have?

Redirector
BusDriver
Vig
Is that it?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 10:17:14 PM
Quote
like asking me if I vigged Kanji D2
Or trying to see if you'd fake-claim it.


And of course I'm obvious, I never pretended otherwise. Which is why I'm asking when he checked YOU to claim with certainty who you are, because I sure as hell couldn't tell who Merryweather and Alpha 60 were.


Cut. I shit rainbows, Gil.

But no, seriously, I already said I had a shot of KINGMAKER DAY and a shot of Speech Impairments. Making life shit for someone to play didn't seem like an appealing option and neither did Kingmaker; I'd rather not both decide the towniest and least towniest on one day.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 10:47:46 PM
Wait. Gilgamesh, did you get those names based on your role, or because you guessed who was who?

For example do you know who everybody is? even orange?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 10:49:04 PM
Are you ActionDan, Alpha?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 10:50:40 PM
Only Schezo and Zakeri
The rest is by people's Mistakes
or guesses.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 11:00:49 PM
Are you ActionDan, Alpha?

Yes. I think I demasked like 3 times (at least twice).  just for fun let me go through everyone.

Alpha 60 - ActionDan
Saki - Bardiche
Merryweather - Schezo
Gilgamesh - Hero
Orange - ???
Bo peep - Zakeri
Kanji - Serp (possibly HW)
Duffbeer - Dormio
Barney - BT
Bardiche - PX
Megaman - Smashy (possibly ???)
Capt. Li - Affinity (possibly Capt. h)
Duffman - Shadoweh
Mr. Krabs - JOB

I have no idea who Orange is and I feel like Omba could have been in this game.  Same goes for capt.h.  But most are pretty obvious.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Serela on November 01, 2011, 11:02:41 PM
>V-V-V-Votecount! Still LyLo Edition

Saki Morimi :
Merryweather :
Alpha60 :
Gilgamesh (2): Saki Morimi, Merryweather

3 votes to lynch. Like two days of time left. Gilgamesh is at L-1.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 11:05:08 PM
... is this important, again, Alpha 60?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 11:06:04 PM
So Gil is saying the truth about the identities of players unless Merry wants to counter him by claiming being someone else, but I don't see how the identity of others is helping us catch the ITP.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 11:08:35 PM
no, but re-reading your reason for gilgamesh makes me flinch.

In fact fuck it, there you go.

##Vote: Gilgamesh

The reason there wasn't an N2 kill is because you were roleblocked. Night 3 there was a redirect AND a kill, proving that the ITP can dual-act as well. Your attempts to pretend that they can't are solidly misleading enough.

Because with "The reason there wasn't an N2 kill is because you were roleblocked" you are implictly assuming Gilgamesh killed D1 and D3 yet you already claimed vigging Kanji whilst it can be assumed that scum killed Bo Peep.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 11:09:26 PM
Let me get my list out.

Alive:
Alpha 60 = ActionDan
Saki Morimi = Bardiche
Merryweather = Schezo
Gilgamesh - Hero999
 
Dead:
Bo Peep = Zakeri
Duff Beer = Dormio
Barney = BT
Bardiche = PX
Captain Li Shang = Huhwhat
Mr.Krabs = JOB
Duffman = Shadoweh
Megaman.EXE - ???
Orange - ???
Kanji - ???

I remember an Affinity openly /in
Thats my List.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 11:10:02 PM
Orrr scum targeted Duffman and the kill failed somehow, or they both targeted Bo Peep, I don't the fuck know. Bo Peep is a weird as hell pick for the scum kill, I'm willing to believe that was Gil's doing.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 11:11:52 PM
Then your saying scum makes people disappear while ITP kills them?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 11:14:24 PM
No, that'd be saying scum killed Kanji. I doubt they'd aim for their own. I'm passing off the nonsense there as flavour; I know I didn't kill Duffman because my ability was one-shot.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 11:16:02 PM
Unless ITP targeted the same guy I did and their kill took precedence, I really don't know why the hell Serela specifically says Duffman disappeared and Kanji was said to be killed but disappeared in flavour text. You certainly knew what to look for. Are you also able to make Serela modify the flavour for how your kill looks?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 11:17:53 PM
Dude, now your going crazy.
Different kill flavors stand for Kill or Disappear,
Scum is Kill
and I'm assuming Disappear is for ITP
If ITP kills people rather then disappear it discredits your claim
If ITP makes people disappear it still points in your direction.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 11:19:59 PM
Voting people on crack theories without thinking hard about it makes it hard to believe you are serious.  Honestly Gilgamesh thinking Merrt was rolecop + roleblock makes me headdesk as well.

At the same time Merryweather doesn't seem to be puting in an ounce of thought into this either.

I will shank all the townies this game that somehow keep forgetting their role Pms.

Btw Merry, did you originally think your vote on Gilgamesh was the hammer >__>.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 11:20:31 PM
I'm looking at flavor because its THERE, if there is two of the same flavor then it MEANS SOMETHING like PX's CHAINSAW KILLING.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 11:22:16 PM
I think you're being desperate here by trying to use flavour now. If ITP kills rather than makes disappear then we've a mystery killer for N3.
If ITP makes people disappear then it's STILL BLOODY POSSIBLE someone targeted the same guy I did or whatever the fuck. I can't explain the flavour because I don't know what the hell is up with that.

My night action resolution PM told me my action was a success, but short of the ITP killing Kanji N1 alongside or before me and Bo Peep really being the scum kill I can invent no reason why Kanji and Duffman are both said to have disappeared.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 11:24:32 PM
You're using a complete fucking headache beyond my control to insist that I MUST be ITP. You've gone all game ignoring people's questions directed to you, refusing to claim despite being threatened with a DayVig (Were you buying time to make a convincing fakeclaim? I don't the fuck know), OUTRIGHT NOT SCUMHUNTING ANY ZIT and even now the best you can come up with is ~*Roles*~, and pushing faulty logic around roles at that.

Mistaking Merry's role is totes fine I don't give a fuck, I do give a fuck about how you try to say the reason there isn't an N2 kill is because I redirected and couldn't kill when obviously the ITP CAN multiact as proven by N3.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 01, 2011, 11:25:30 PM
Saki what is your flavor for the vig or does it not exist?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 11:27:10 PM
In summation I think you're desperate ITP trying to use anything you can get to try and get me lynched because you know Merryweather and Alpha 60 are considerably more difficult to get lynched. I've seen Hero play Mafia before and I cannot recall him being actively useless and unsupportive in scumhunting.


My flavour for the vig is that I use a gun for the kill.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 11:29:38 PM
There has been multiple kills
Scum for Killing
ITP for disappearing
Alpha 60's GOGO Planet.

The only one that doesn't repeat is Alpha 60.

I NEEDED FUCKING TIME TO DETERMINE IF MY ROLE WAS REALLY USELESS
I WAS STILL THINKING THAT MY ROLE WAS ROLECOP
AND THEN I LOOK IT OVER AND ASK THE MOD FOR CONFIRMATION.
AND THEN I FIND OUT ITS UTTERLY USELESS SINCE MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN MAKE AN EFFORT TO HIDE THEIR FUCKING NAME.

Then you don't know me enough. God this game.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 11:32:27 PM
Unless you're claiming you signed up to play Mafia but not to scumhunt I don't see any excuse for your laziness this game beside "You're not Town".
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 01, 2011, 11:32:54 PM
And for what it's worth, signing up Mafia constitutes signing up to scum hunt for me. That's the entire point of the game.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on November 01, 2011, 11:40:58 PM
Votecount made me think. Imma
##Unvote:
For a second. Think about all this again.

No I did not think mine was the hammer.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 11:42:32 PM
@Merryweather : Are you informed if your protect is successful?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 11:43:10 PM
EBWOP: "successfully blocked a kill"
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 01, 2011, 11:52:34 PM
@Merryweather: Do you have nothing to add at all to our current interactions other then "they said everything about each other ##Vote Gilgamesh"
and "##Unvote I saw something wierd in votes and I decided to unvote"
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on November 01, 2011, 11:57:16 PM
I'm busy right now so calm down.  I need to reread myself and make my own decision.

I know I sussesfully targeted them. I don't know if it blocked anything.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on November 02, 2011, 12:34:11 AM
Mod:  are LYLO and MYLO distinguished?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Serela on November 02, 2011, 12:36:29 AM
It's Pseudo-LyLo today.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 02, 2011, 01:14:35 AM
Btw, Li claimed Scum killing Bo peep.  Just sayin' 

After a re-read I'm pretty sure Merry is town, because she said she could magically be confirmed-town D3, when Duffman could have said something.

I am still leaning heavily towards Saki as the ITP.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kaku Seiga on November 02, 2011, 01:20:02 AM
I don't even know what the hell I can say anymore to convince you I'm not the one you're looking for. At this point I'll just have to accept that while the final scum is a loser who gave up, Town's still losing the game. Sod it, I'm going to bed. I don't know what the hell else I can do to try and get you to lynch the ITP.

Merry, I hope you're not the ITP and can roleblock it tonight if it comes to that. If I'm NOT deadby the time I wake up, I'd like to at least see reasons on why I'm worse than Gilgamesh, whose done literally nothing to help Town kill scum all game and even now is only interested in rolegames rather than Mafia. I now regret using my vig shot. I would've never used that goddamn thing if I knew it mean Town's loss.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 02, 2011, 01:23:48 AM
Wait.

If everybody believe's me and merry are town. 

We could lynch Gil.  Then Merry roleblocks/protects you Saki. 

Then we lynch you?

At this point i am quite certain Merry checks out.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Serela on November 02, 2011, 01:29:44 AM
>V-V-V-Votecount! Even Still LyLo Edition

Saki Morimi :
Merryweather :
Alpha60 :
Gilgamesh (1): Saki Morimi

3 votes to lynch. Like two days of time left.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on November 02, 2011, 01:30:14 AM
Hmm.

Alright then fuck it let's do this:
##Vote: Gilgamesh
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 02, 2011, 01:34:37 AM
Also, Saki, I think your first D4 posts voting merryweather were just as bad if not worse than w/e Gil was doing.  I can repeat exaclty why that is so on request because I got the feeling that no one read my #833 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg741919.html#msg741919) and my 839 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,11122.msg741930.html#msg741930) seriously except for you, Saki. Your retort was "lol I forgot the busdriver shot because no town uses it because it's anti-town" >___>.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Skull on November 02, 2011, 01:35:46 AM
Your all on the logic that Merryweather WILL protect someone.

Do you REALLY have nothing to say at all Merryweather?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 02, 2011, 01:36:40 AM
Hey Merryweather.  How about you say more than two words with all of your vote posts.  You are freaking me the fuck out.  gilgamesh posting first is mandatory for me.  There is yet time left.

Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on November 02, 2011, 01:38:34 AM
Can't do it anymore.

##Unvote:
##Vote: Saki


Yes Gil is all kinds of textbook scummy but there's just this thing about you.  Holy fuck.
It would make sense how you the ITP could just handwave the Barney thing away day 2.
And how you are busdriver, yes it's insane to think of what you would have done but this entire game since day 3 is like that, why stop now?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: DiEnd on November 02, 2011, 01:45:56 AM
I'm going to twitter post because I motherfucking can.

Whoever said it, yes Saki's logic looks good on the outside but the way he made his Gil case does take into account that Gil shot Kanji n1 when this was not the case.
The backtracking on switching Li and Duffman is just making me argh so hard it's not funny.
Bardiche kill n2 makes sense from both parties persepectives because they don't want their shit wrecked by a Goddam watcher.
Thinking it over and over I'm honestly inclinded to believe kill does have a flavor since Jojo's did, Px's did, whatever the fuck other rolemadness I played did and that Saki just claimed his kill was gun when Kanji "disappeared" right. 
God this stream of conciousness.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kick Hopper on November 02, 2011, 04:16:51 AM
I'll pretty convinced it's Saki. 

His vote on Merry seemed hasty considering he forgot he said he had a busdriver shot.

His vote on Gilga is weird because I would have thought that he would consider Merry lying about being redirected over Gilga having the power himself. 

honestly I don't see Merry scum/ITP and I think there is a small chance Gilga is the ITP. 

We lose if Merry is in fact the ITP from my perspective.  I hope I made the right choice.

##Vote: Saki
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kitten4u on November 02, 2011, 04:18:29 AM
Hammer shut up!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kitten4u on November 02, 2011, 04:22:11 AM
Saki Morimi was lynched!  She was Fair Fiona

Town wins!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 02, 2011, 04:22:23 AM
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/6a00d8345233f369e200e54f70c42b8833-800wi.png)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: PX on November 02, 2011, 04:22:27 AM
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Ciel1-3.png)This corner is for the poor Town, who just cannot let go of what's been happening recently. It is time for "Teach Me, Ciel-Sensei!"
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 02, 2011, 04:22:40 AM
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Arcueid-10.png)Hey, Ciel, are you doing something fun?

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Arcueid-8.png)This isn't be a ploy to get more screentime to yourself or something, right?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: PX on November 02, 2011, 04:22:43 AM
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Ciel2.png) What are you talking about? Everyone knows I'm the main Heroine and that Tohno-kun is mine.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 02, 2011, 04:22:53 AM
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Arcueid-3.png)Oh, have you finally reached the point where you're confusing your fantasies and reality? It's alright, Ciel. I'm here to help you get over the fact that Shiki doesn't love you.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: PX on November 02, 2011, 04:23:00 AM
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Ciel3.png) You're the one being delusional here.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 02, 2011, 04:23:11 AM
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Arcueid-12.png)I'd try laying off the curry before saying anything. You know, eating too many of those spices will get to you.

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Arcueid-4.png)Wait... Were you being serious? Oh... I'm so sorry for you...
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: PX on November 02, 2011, 04:23:14 AM
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Ciel5.png) Oh is that so....

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Ciel4.png) WELL YOU SHOULD THINK TWICE BEFORE MAKING FUN OF CURRY!!!!!!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 02, 2011, 04:23:25 AM
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Arcueid-15.png)You think that... you can threaten me?

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Arcueid-5.png)I'll show you the power of a True Ancestor.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: PX on November 02, 2011, 04:23:30 AM
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Ciel6.png) ...

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/Ciel7.png) Bring it on you [REDACTED]!!!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 02, 2011, 04:23:38 AM
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/2ef24f54.png) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bImWKymOHCs)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Schezo on November 02, 2011, 04:24:00 AM
Now excuse me while I go pass out from this.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: PX on November 02, 2011, 04:24:13 AM
SOCIAL LINK GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(=?∀`)人(?∀`=)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Hero999 on November 02, 2011, 04:24:21 AM
....I wanna die. I really wanted to die.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kitten4u on November 02, 2011, 04:25:58 AM
Mod QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/ic5qDLU3Aez)
Graveyard (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/rTLmU9LPVBBLk)

I'll let everyone else post their own QTs.  Serela can say whatever when he wakes up. :V
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Schezo on November 02, 2011, 04:26:11 AM
But you didn't self hammer.  Way ta hang in there.  Makes me happy.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 02, 2011, 04:31:33 AM
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/eZPujvS7bZX Dormio's personal thoughts conversations with Serela.

DAN, WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT NOT USING MY ROLE IN A PRO TOWN MANNER?
I THREW MY ROLEBLOCK ONTO THE COMPULSIVE JAILKEEPER BLOCKING THE COP. AND I THREW MY ANTI-ROLEBLOCK/DOCTOR TO THE COP BEING ROLEBLOCKED EVERY NIGHT.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: PX on November 02, 2011, 04:33:10 AM
Btw, Huh What for Town MVP
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Schezo on November 02, 2011, 04:34:05 AM
Someone please explain what the motherfuck happened last night. (QT's hating me)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Kitten4u on November 02, 2011, 04:35:37 AM
Basically, Krabs suicided and poked Serela for the graveyard because THERE WAS NO WAY HE COULD LIVE RITE?  Then Saki redirected Merryweather to Krabs, thus roleblocking him so he couldn't suicide.  Krabs already had the graveyard and therefore had to be modkilled.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: ActionDan on November 02, 2011, 04:36:30 AM
ITS OVER!

DORMIO I'LL EAT YOUR FIRE ANTS NOW.

ALSO

##GoPlanet:
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Shadoweh on November 02, 2011, 04:46:41 AM
OBVTOWN, OH YEAH!
I hate you people. Why am I only obviously town when I'm confirmable?!?!

http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/JmpWwVwtWCPV3 <---The Not-So Secluded Cave
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/WfQFarMCDkW      <--- Duffman x Li Shang who is totally town amirite
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: PX on November 02, 2011, 04:48:40 AM
*Punches Shadoweh*
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Schezo on November 02, 2011, 04:58:31 AM
Ok finished the GY and you people are all pricks and I hope you burn in hell. :V

But seriously when day 3 didn't end and I got this for a night action
Quote
You successfully cuddled... Mr.Krabs!

I just knew this was going to be a headache of a day and man did I not think.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Shadoweh on November 02, 2011, 05:20:01 AM
HEY KITTEN!
SCHEZO NEVER SUCEEDED IN CUDDLING ME! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I think I did more talking outside the thread then in it. I still cannot see huh what as anything but town.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: J.O.B on November 02, 2011, 05:30:28 AM
@Shadoweh:
Quote
JOB is just being JOB. Ignore him and you'll feel soooo much better. His mind is constantly changing as he reads through people's posts and sheeps to whatever he thinks sound townest. In his case that's actually JOB being town.
That's the other reason JOB is town. He's constantly here trying to get his voice heard. It screams TOWNIE OBVTOWN to me.
You are the only one who gets me.
Oh and I recently started using silly gambits for the lulz, regardless of alignment.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 02, 2011, 05:37:14 AM
That's not something to be proud of.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Schezo on November 02, 2011, 05:38:09 AM
The problem is when you want to lynch whoeverthefucknotyou when they scream town outloud.  I think you had it down to pick a town mason at one point.

Oh and on the last day, hell no I wasn't about to say, "Shadoweh wasn't 100% on my alignment >_>". Though I really could have finished this much stronger. 

Whatever I had fun with the flavor. Because the three good fairies are pimps. :V
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: J.O.B on November 02, 2011, 05:48:02 AM
Who said I was proud of it (not that I'm embarassed by it or anything)? I'm just happy someone gets me.
And whenever I "want to lynch whoeverthefuck not me", it's probably just my gut going on a wild rampage.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on November 02, 2011, 06:02:13 AM
i claim honorary townie, schezo is town mvp, and everything else has already been said / i can't think of

i feel bad though because bard basically spend all game defending me as itp and then i randomly went "hey i'm scum lynch him tomorrow bye"
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Conqueror on November 02, 2011, 06:08:35 AM
Looking through your QTs huhwhat, you put more content into your posts than half the townies.

I'm impressed at your endurance. :V
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 02, 2011, 06:20:11 AM
I would like to note that feeding Dan a crayon was one of the highlights of the game for me.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Shadoweh on November 02, 2011, 06:26:24 AM
Oh and on the last day, hell no I wasn't about to say, "Shadoweh wasn't 100% on my alignment >_>". Though I really could have finished this much stronger. 
Damn straight. Lying is pro-town. You were confirmed town to me anyways, not by role but by being Schezo. Seriously you were confirmed town since Day 1. You deserve the credits. Apparently people thought I was town too considering the three protects I had! :o SEND ME YOUR QT'S <^_^>

My highlight was Serela stumbling over himself after he realized what he'd made Kevin and Steve do on Night 1. :D
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 02, 2011, 06:29:02 AM
They engaged in hot, steamy [CUDDLES] whilst Kevin would continue to [HUG] Steve affectionately.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: J.O.B on November 02, 2011, 07:43:02 AM
Night action PM's sent to Serela (From D2 onwards) (What I remember at least):
Quote
I am indecisive quite,
who shall I protect tonight?
The scum have probably had enough,
of the man whose life is filled with Duff!


I changed my mind,
please believe me.
I want to protect,
Ms. Saki Morimi.
(I was going to protect Duffman (as said above) but I decided to protect Saki instead)

I can't remember my Sacrifice poem. Serela will have to post it later. *hint* *hint*
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Shadoweh on November 02, 2011, 08:33:06 AM
I totally missed that Dan was going to hammer himself.
I now see it's because huh what has PSYCHIC POWERS I TOLD YOU GUYS!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on November 02, 2011, 08:39:31 AM
Eh. Pesco is a better psychic than I am.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Bardiche on November 02, 2011, 09:23:05 AM
Well, that's finally ended. When the mods said I couldn't suicide I felt like they were forcing me to play a hopeless game, and I never quite expected I'd even win. When the FLAVOUR even indicated that I was the ITP I was complete DESPAIR.

Fun fact: I didn't at all lie about my targets and my night actions. They were all true. With the exception that I hijacked Merryweather and made her target Krabs, which really was more of a business where I couldn't see how I could possibly stop Krabs, and sarcastically remarked to Serela how redirecting Merryweather onto Krabs instead of me was going to be the best plan ever. And for what it's worth, I really didn't think Barney was scum on D2, and I really didn't think about redirecting onto Bardiche as much as I should have.

Little did I know it was probably the best thing I could've done. Now Town's fought for its victory, at least.

I do think Hero needs to stop hanging back and actually play the game.
I think Huh What deserves at least a yellow card. I think 'HOLD IT, I'm actually the last scum' when Town was about to mislynch only has him playing for Town's win condition, and to add insult to injury he even provided the Town with information to also go after the Serial Killer. I've seen a lot of dickery in Mafia games, but this one was really impressive.

Well, I did the best I could and fumbled a bit due to my panic over how absolutely impossible pulling a win off was when Huh What decided to be a massive dick, so I'm none too disappointed in the game itself, but I think Huh What needs to strongly consider an answer to why he felt it was okay to not only screw the game for Serela who was modding things, but also attempt to screw the game for those who didn't drop out because the going was getting tough.


Kitten4u, I'm Fair Fiona, not Fallen. Though I guess I'm now Fallen. Ah well.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: J.O.B on November 02, 2011, 09:28:14 AM
I thought you might've known that Merry was part roleblocker, which is why you redirected her onto me, making me unable to sacrifice which would in turn make me highly suspicious the next day, causing town to possibly lynch me, which would've furthered your chances of winning.
Of course knowing me I thought that after I died.

Also Bard tell Pesco that you did agree to co-mod my game.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Bardiche on November 02, 2011, 09:33:15 AM
I thought Merryweather was the Cop. Roles and clears alone demanded that I was the ITP, and Hero being able to do nothing at all the entire game save for the last day going "Look, flavour!" is something that makes me :\ something fierce still. I'm probably just bitter, but I would've liked if "~*flavour*~" was not his chief reason for suspecting me of being the ITP. I don't mind being lynched for my own mistakes, but when stuff gets added that I didn't know about, and that according to Serela wasn't even intended, then I get a bit bitter.

Why would Pesco doubt me on my word? I already told you I was going to co-mod for you if you made a setup and let me review it. :V This talk'll have to wait until I return though.

Later.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: J.O.B on November 02, 2011, 09:34:37 AM
Pesco didn't doubt you on your word, he doubted me on my word instead.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Bardiche on November 02, 2011, 09:37:17 AM
Fair point. :derp:
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on November 02, 2011, 10:02:30 AM
@Bard: I saw it as the same as forfeiting, which isn't really that frowned upon as far as I'm aware. I didn't actually think there was an ITP in the game beyond a joke.

Also the quit was partially due to shit happening at the time making me unnecessarily stressed out, and I figure that it'd be better to just end the game instead of continuing to fret over it for the next week or so when I was probably going to lose anyway. I'm not going to deny it was probably selfish, but it's not the "I did it to screw everyone over because I'm a dick" that you seem to think it was.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 4 Pseudo-LyLo)
Post by: Serela on November 02, 2011, 12:04:14 PM
afdasjg;ljaskgljaslgk;jasfl;ds;ga

edit:anyway off to school for me I'll be back LATER

[05:42] <Bardiche> Funny how this Serela game was such a trainwreck again.
[05:42] <Bardiche> And this time it's not even because of Serela.

bard was best sk, he got a player modkilled

So how can town get ALL THE SCUMS and still lylo in all my games ;_;

If Huhwhat hadn't outed himself, then it could have been D4 LyLo -without- a JOB modkill occurring, and the winner would have been up in the air (basically, even worse for town) because it was assumed that with all the protection powers at least ONE kill would be stopped, giving town three mislynches? Modkills and other shenanigans messed this up. Anyway this game needs a little rebalancing. But I think I'm going to rehost a redux of it next time! BEST PLAN AMIRITE?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: BT on November 02, 2011, 01:42:15 PM
I think one of the posts implied the scum QT was already linked somewhere? If not, I can link it for what it's worth.

At least I had -some- idea of what I was doing when the game started this time. This was my first trad. as scum, actually, so I'm glad it wasn't a complete trainwreck (only a partial trainwreck, but hey).
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Schezo on November 02, 2011, 01:48:49 PM
Wait you balanced this counting on a protection. :V

Even with the SK abstaining one night and we did this. Lord, how does this happen?
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: ActionDan on November 02, 2011, 03:13:38 PM
Meh I was going to lynch myself because Li told me that he'd be copped the next night.  I didn't realize that Duffman WOULD NOT be able to cop the next night because Merryweather stole Bo peep's power.   I think that Merryweather claiming cop was ideal.   She should have claimed the mason, while Duffman claimed a delayed cop or something.

With somebody copped (who I thought would be Li, Although I'm guessing Li would hijack to Merryweather/krabs/Saki/Gil) and krabs dying, (or possibly Saki would roleblock him, but I didn't know he could) I figured we'd end up with Merryweather, Duffman, Gil, Li, and Saki.  Wherein Gil, Merry, and Duffman were cleared.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Day 2 Start)
Post by: ActionDan on November 02, 2011, 04:52:09 PM
I just realise Gilgamesh's vote reasons are also shit and similarly would like to demand he explains his reasons. No, Gilgamesh, you are the mongrels.

Ohshit Li x Duffman Scum OTP, Duffman SKILLFULLY HYPERZOMGVIGSUGGESTING Kanji.

A likely excuse.

wait what

Those two quotes made me chuckle. 
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: BT on November 02, 2011, 05:30:03 PM
Right, quotes.
The problem with the Barney wagon remains that the only town on it is Li Shang, who I'd put as Town over even Duffman. Seriously.
Would have been better if he were town, I guess.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: PX on November 02, 2011, 05:53:33 PM
Ahahaha, that quote is completely wrong.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Kitten4u on November 02, 2011, 09:04:05 PM
Quote from: Bardiche
Kitten4u, I'm Fair Fiona, not Fallen. Though I guess I'm now Fallen. Ah well.
Derp.  It was fallen originally, so I remembered.  My bad.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Serela on November 02, 2011, 09:45:00 PM
[17:38] <Serela> And well yeah, I didn't post that because apparently half or more of the players already knew
[17:38] <Serela> so I was like "welp"
[17:38] <Serela> And no one asked
[17:38] <BT> well, i don't
[17:38] <Serela> But basically, Fair Fiona was sk with factional kill and One-Shot Anything powers during the night
[17:38] <BT> was it kill + random one-timer roles?
[17:39] <Serela> Could do anything that was mod-approved
[17:39] <BT> ok :s
[17:39] <Serela> and not too similar to something already done

So yep!

Flavor-wise Fair Fiona was the goddess of the world and was going to KILL EVERYONE so that she could basically destroy the entire planet so as to finally get rid of the damn gun.

...she was fair until she got fed up with everything! D:

Her flavor kill was turning into a FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER. Originally it was just supposed to terrify people to death but then the first kill Bard said he wanted to eat Kanji (later he changed the flavor but I wanted to keep that anyway) and then OOPS I just went with it again n3 and preeeeetty much doomed him via flavor which wasn't intended. He has raged at me over this and yeah.

Power-wise, she started with rolecop immunity. Bard give himself bulletproof n1 and then did a redirect-actions-targetting-X-to-target-Y and then hijacked Merryweather's power to target Mr.Krubs (which got him modkilled :getdown: ...;_;)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Serela on November 02, 2011, 09:52:27 PM
Okay according to ##MotKTown "Look at the first page of the modqt" isn't an adequate answer to rolepms and such so I'll go remove the passwords from the final rolepm.txt and get all the other stuff to make a neat little post about it
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Shadoweh on November 02, 2011, 09:54:52 PM
SERELA

WHERE IS MY KEVIN X STEVE HAPPY ENDING

YOU TOLD ME THERE WOULD BE HAPPY ENDINGS SERELA
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Serela on November 02, 2011, 09:55:59 PM
BUT YOU DIED

ISN'T ACCIDENTAL MOD-WRITTEN PORN GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Serela on November 02, 2011, 10:31:38 PM
Okay http://puu.sh/80LY

That contains stuff you can pretty much all find in the modqt but in neater forms, including Night Actions, the mod's setup file, the signups file, the final edition of rolepms (minus the passwords), and one thing that you can't find anywhere else;

most of the less boring irc logs! (some were removed for... reasons *cough* Also for more of dormio's look in his solo qt) They are organized by game-day (The night counted as part of the day for this purpose, like n1 talks are in d1 folder) I also, post-game, screenshotted all the msn messenger logs I had with huhwhat and organized them in with the days so they're there too.

Also just to have them all here, here's all the qts.

Mod - http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/ic5qDLU3Aez
Mason - http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/JmpWwVwtWCPV3
Scum - http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/CjDx4BMLHXpjf
SK (Most of this was done in irc though) - http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/W5GXRD9hLdfDg
Li Shang D2 qt (duffman) - http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/WfQFarMCDkW
Li Shang D3 qt (alpha60) - http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/qqMNkDLqhVwBt
Graveyard = http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/rTLmU9LPVBBLk
Dormio solo qt - http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/eZPujvS7bZX
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Serela on November 02, 2011, 10:39:07 PM
Also flavorend that didn't end up getting written basically would have, in this case, consisted of

Town rejoices! They won!

But... all the other life on the planet was wiped out by that dumb gun thing. So no crops or animals to eat. They eat the dead stuff for awhile (Starting with the comatose werewolf)... until they end up eating eachother AND THEN THE LAST ONE STARVES AND DIES.

Oh dear! That certainly could have gone better, huh?

--------------------
Town win is actually, in a way, the worst game ending. It is possible for it to go muuuuuuch better depending on the survivors, though. There is a true happy ending! But you didn't get it OH WELL TOWN STILL WON AT LEAST  :]

If you haven't noticed my stuff tends to go sort of bleak at times. I guess it balances out my normally super upbeat nature!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: ActionDan on November 02, 2011, 10:40:45 PM
I WANT THE HAPPY ENDING!

##Vote: Gilgamesh
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Hero999 on November 02, 2011, 10:42:45 PM
I WANT IT TOO.
##Vote Gilgamesh
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Serela on November 02, 2011, 10:44:17 PM
Then try again next time my game comes around! For next I shall host PSYCHO PROPHECY REDUX! So basically, take 2 (With modified setup)! Everyone deserves a second chance, right?

if you have a complaint then please contact my staffwoman for we care about your opinion dearly (http://puu.sh/80Pm)
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Conqueror on November 02, 2011, 10:50:47 PM
I guess we didn't rack up enough Mod Points for the True End?

##Vote: Serela
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Schezo on November 02, 2011, 10:52:46 PM
Bullshit. A scum died everyday. I want the true happy ending.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Shadoweh on November 02, 2011, 10:56:26 PM
D:
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Serela on November 02, 2011, 10:58:07 PM
Even the scum ending would have been way happier :V And also would have varied dramatically depending on which scum lived to the end. Resistant Rebecca solo ending would have been fairly happy. She wasn't really a bad person...

Basically there was a whole ton of potential, drastically different endings. You just got one that was sort of... bleak! (Admittedly lots of combinations of town would have resulted in it) Maybe you would have liked it more if I hadn't missed all the postgame stuff and so was actually motivated to fully write it ;_; Basically would have just been elaborating on more HAPPINESS devolving into SUFFERING and PAIN though, so... :V
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: PX on November 02, 2011, 11:00:05 PM
I think Dormio and I made a better ending. :V
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Conqueror on November 02, 2011, 11:02:23 PM
Serela just wanted to write a story it looks like. :V
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: ActionDan on November 02, 2011, 11:02:43 PM
Are all town wins... bad ends?

What about Kuddly Kevin surviving.  He sounded like a nice werewolf.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Schezo on November 02, 2011, 11:03:54 PM
He was just being mimed by a creeper. :V
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Serela on November 02, 2011, 11:06:40 PM
Are all town wins... bad ends?
Nope! It's just... rather more likely, since it was unlikely for town to win with more then a few people still alive, which means the chances of people/combinations of people beneficial to the ending still being alive wasn't too high.

I think for Redux I have some small flavor differences in mind that would make a happier town win much more likely, though.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on November 03, 2011, 01:18:28 AM
Serela is a sick and twisted person, apparently.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Serela on November 03, 2011, 04:27:08 AM
You have no idea <3
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Shadoweh on November 03, 2011, 05:12:33 AM
Wait a minute.

<Serela> Actually Wordy Wanda probably should have summoned captain planet postgame and saved the world
CAPTAIN PLANET HE'S A HE-RO, BRINGS THE POST-APOCALYPSE DOWN TO ZE-RO!
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Serela on November 03, 2011, 05:15:12 AM
Yeah pretty much

OKAY SO THE ENDING YOU GOT PROBABLY ISN'T SO BAD AFTERALL.

They even have a werewolf guy (Since they don't have to eat him before he recovers) to have their babies so the population doesn't end with them. (cue lots of incest since everyone born would have the same dad so there's no other choice)

I mean he's gay but for the sake of civilization why not? Not like there's any guys to pick from anyway :V until the kids grow up

Wow why does everything I write in this game turn into creepy.

[01:21] <Aria> There is something highly disturbing about how much thought Serela put into that
[01:21] <Serela> About what exactly
[01:22] <Aria> Into rebuilding the world
[01:23] <Serela> Shadoweh, I work with what I have :D
[01:24] <Serela> I set a stage and you guys did the rest!
[01:24] <Serela> I just followed it to it's logical conclusions

[01:31] <Aria> I bet that mime is pretending to be Steve now. >:<
[01:34] <Serela> Shadoweh:The mime probably got out of having to do that by mimicing a pregnant lady to have childrens instead
[01:34] <Serela> I mean not everyone is into wolves `-`

understatement of century
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: ActionDan on November 03, 2011, 05:43:45 AM


Yeah pretty much

OKAY SO THE ENDING YOU GOT PROBABLY ISN'T SO BAD AFTERALL.

They even have a werewolf guy (Since they don't have to eat him before he recovers) to have their babies so the population doesn't end with them. (cue lots of incest since everyone born would have the same dad so there's no other choice)

I mean he's gay but for the sake of civilization why not? Not like there's any guys to pick from anyway :V until the kids grow up

Wow why does everything I write in this game turn into creepy.

[01:21] <Aria> There is something highly disturbing about how much thought Serela put into that
[01:21] <Serela> About what exactly
[01:22] <Aria> Into rebuilding the world
[01:23] <Serela> Shadoweh, I work with what I have :D
[01:24] <Serela> I set a stage and you guys did the rest!
[01:24] <Serela> I just followed it to it's logical conclusions

[01:31] <Aria> I bet that mime is pretending to be Steve now. >:<
[01:34] <Serela> Shadoweh:The mime probably got out of having to do that by mimicing a pregnant lady to have childrens instead
[01:34] <Serela> I mean not everyone is into wolves `-`

understatement of century

utawarerumono plot spoiled.
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: PX on November 03, 2011, 06:08:09 AM
Dammit Bard, I wanted to shoot you because your case on me was utter bullshit. :V
Title: Re: Psycho Prophecy (Game Over Town Win)
Post by: Pesco on November 03, 2011, 07:22:41 AM

utawarerumono plot spoiled.

YOU TERRIBLE PERSON! I STILL HADN'T FINISHED THAT YET.