Author Topic: Magical Madness Mafia Day 5! (Read 89339 times)

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #210 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:43:47 AM »

Also, Shadoweh, if you're around, can you answer a question for me?
What players would you want to lynch the most if Polly flipped scum? What about town?

Serela · « **Reply #211 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:46:33 AM »

Well... yeah. There's no way anyone other then me or Polly is getting lynched, and guess which one I prefer?

##Unvote ##Vote Polaris

I'd tell someone to jump on me due to :cop:, but I think I got that covered... :V I got into semantics arguments because I figured they were harmless enough but would still get me voted (And also because I wanted to say some things that I thought needed to be said!), but I ended up being more Serelaey then ever and looking geniunely bad. Welp.

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Serela's is worse (although Polaris' is highly unusual) for not claiming fully.

How the HELL did I not claim fully? I sure claimed a lot more indepth then Polly did. Are you talking about me fudging the specifics a little? Sorry for wanting to actually catch scum with my cop. Even if the lie ended up not really working out well for said purpose.

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Polaris' claim is kinda weird. What if he copped scum and died without anyone knowing? That just sounds incredibly wasteful.

I'm assuming you've been missing how lots of people are mentioning that everyone can still talk after they die ;P

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ActionDan · « **Reply #212 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:47:59 AM »

Oh, Serela fullclaimed. I also believe the claim, and would see Polaris burn.

Serela · « **Reply #213 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:48:55 AM »

Oh I see now. You had commented on not reading a lot of recent posts, so you hadn't gotten to that part yet. Mmkaaay.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #214 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:49:02 AM »

So, Polly is at L-1, then.

I'd personally like to hear Shadoweh answer my question before the hammer is dropped, but is there anything else we're going to need to discuss before closing the day?

PX · « **Reply #215 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:51:03 AM »

Playing DotA During the End of the Day is a Bad Idea Thirteenth Votecount!
Shadoweh (0) - ~~Hero999~~, ~~Chaore~~
Dormio (1) - ~~huh what~~, Polaris, ~~NeoSerela~~
ActionDan (1) - Youkai Jesus
NeoSerela (5) - Dormio, Bardiche, capt. h, Hero999, Chaore
Polaris (6) - ActionDan, Shadoweh, Rikter, Zakeri, ~~NeoSerela~~, huh what, NeoSerela

Polaris is at L-1!
NeoSerela is at L-2!

Not voting: Nobody!
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in ~3.25 hours.
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Polaris · « **Reply #216 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:52:29 AM »

Okay hold on nobody better hammer me.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #217 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:55:56 AM »

Quote from: huh what on September 17, 2011, 02:43:47 AM

Also, Shadoweh, if you're around, can you answer a question for me?
What players would you want to lynch the most if Polly flipped scum? What about town?

If Polaris flips scum I would prefer Chaore be vigged in the night then be left around the next day to lynch.
If he flips town, uh, Serela should obviously die. It would make me make this face @_@ At Dan as well, since Dan doesn't seem to be considering the implications of the Tree Stump Rule meaning the cop could tell us who he died targetting.

Bardiche · « **Reply #218 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:57:01 AM »

I'm unfond of Huh What going 'Serela is iffy and feels like trying too hard to be Pro-Town' but refusing to vote her because the wagon is 'made of gotcha games' (it's not).

Still, willing to hammer Polaris if the need arises, but I don't think him scum. I personally don't agree with the Polaris wagon.

You'll understand I'd like to maintain my spot on the Serela wagon, right?

Because if I swap off now I'll be accused of scum evading a cop and HAHA, that is a terrible claim Serela and I want to lynch you over it. Seriously. How can one make up a claim so as to INDICT THE ONES ON THEIR WAGON IF THEY GET OFF IT AFTER THE CLAIM, and Serela counter-claiming restricted Cop makes me go :psyduck:, what are the odds.

But yeah, I don't fear the Cop result, think it's bogus anyway and would like to stay on it because either there's only positive results as far as I'm concerned.

I'm incredibly cross with miss Homura. Are you scum?

ActionDan · « **Reply #219 on:** September 17, 2011, 02:57:45 AM »

Actually Shadoweh I forgot about it, I only said my first thoughts since I just wanted to get the post out there.

Polaris · « **Reply #220 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:01:28 AM »

Okay so Shadoweh seems to have found me out. I am, in fact, a Hider, and I claimed Weak Cop because I thought a cop claim would get scum to try and kill me (and fail, since actions that directly target me when I'm using my role will fail). If I die while hiding, the person I was targeting will be revealed by the mod. There is still something I'm hiding because I don't really want scum to know that information. >_>

Polaris · « **Reply #221 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:02:44 AM »

ebwop totally forgot flavor. I am Alice Seno from Alice 19th, with the ability to look into other's hearts (and thus hide in them as well). But if the evil in their heart is too great (aka they are scum) then I'll die.

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #222 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:07:04 AM »

I still think Bard is scum,
I still think Serela is town,
I still think Polaris needs to flip.

Both of their claims are bad, but Serela has a good excuse for holding back.

Cut: Fff.
What part of full claim or get lynched don't you people understand? The get lynched part? Because I'm fairly certain your role does absolutely nothing when lynched.

Bardiche · « **Reply #223 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:08:54 AM »

Polaris: :colonveeplusalpha:

Why the hell would you lie as Town when a real Cop could go into all sorts of spasms over you claiming Cop to save your arse. I just what. What. That is an incredibly bad move as Town and a cunning move as Scum.

On board completely with Polaris lynch now. There's no positive side here.

Polaris · « **Reply #224 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:09:46 AM »

I copied it from the mafiascum wiki. :V here for your convenience

Bardiche · « **Reply #225 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:12:32 AM »

Quote from: Polaris on September 17, 2011, 03:09:46 AM

I copied it from the mafiascum wiki. :V here for your convenience

Mafiascum wiki confirmed for scum.

You understand we're going to have to lynch the guy who lied about being a Cop, right. Because it rather hurts your credibility.

Zak: while you're here, mind clearing up if you insist that I misrepresented Serela when I claimed he didn't want his top 3 scum picks lynched at the time Shadoweh asked him and in a period of time afterwards?

Chaore · « **Reply #226 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:13:19 AM »

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<Chaore> keine what is going on.
<Keine-tan> Even -I- don't know.

okay so polly is the weak cop except he's actually the hider which sounds entirely different and he hid this fact to make himself get nightkilled so his power would go off and serela is the cop who can only cop his own wagon and hid this fact to prevent scum from leaping to another wagon and what?

Are we playing Xanatos Gambit mafia?

I think I'd agree with Polly's lynch on the basis of him originally lying. and did he just claim he copied straight from the wiki and alright yeah polly is probably not town doing this.

Bardiche · « **Reply #227 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:14:19 AM »

Are you balking at Serela's claim as much as I am, Chaore? :V

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #228 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:17:53 AM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on September 17, 2011, 02:55:56 AM

If he flips town, uh, Serela should obviously die. It would make me make this face @_@ At Dan as well, since Dan doesn't seem to be considering the implications of the Tree Stump Rule meaning the cop could tell us who he died targetting.

Do these opinions still hold now that he's apparently not actually a cop?

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #229 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:18:22 AM »

Also, for the record, I now get the impression of town/town wagons. :/ I'd rather see Polly go, though.

Chaore · « **Reply #230 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:18:39 AM »

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<Chaore> @dict balk
<Keine-tan> Chaore: wn: balk n 1: the area on a billiard table behind the balkline; "a player with ball in hand must play from the balk" [syn: {baulk}] 2: something immaterial that interferes with or delays action or progress [syn: {hindrance}, {deterrent}, {impediment}, {baulk}, {check}, {handicap}] 3: one of several parallel sloping beams that support a roof [syn: {rafter}, {baulk}] 4: an illegal pitching motion (1 more message)
<Chaore> @more
<Keine-tan> Chaore: while runners are on base v : refuse to comply [syn: {resist}, {baulk}, {jib}]

i am indeed making an illegal pitching motion at serela's claim.

I'm more just confused at how this is turning out and half-asleep. Serela's claim is kind of weird, but for some reason I don't find it entirely farfetched- But I would've originally believed a weak cop over it, even with the final rule.

Polaris · « **Reply #231 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:18:58 AM »

Well I don't really see how I "lied about being a Cop" considering my original claim is still correct (other than my role name). :L I still die when I target scum.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #232 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:23:06 AM »

ESGHDGHDGHFHFGTH
WHY IS IT SO HARD NOT TO LIE
I swear to god if you flip town we're lynching you again in the post-game.
I'm now incredibly worried you're going to flip town, but it turns out roleclaims that don't make sense can come from scum as well as town. Can we kill both of them? -.- ..Actually. I know where I've heard Serela's claim before. That was the fakeclaim OMGUS Cop that Pesco wanted to use in Graveyard Mafia.

huh what: Yep. A hider that reveals the scum target it died on? That's more powerful then a 'Weak Cop', not less, and is essentially a cop power.

..And who is Homura? UK isn't playing this game.

Hero999 · « **Reply #233 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:24:22 AM »

...role madness...how does it work...

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #234 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:25:39 AM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on September 17, 2011, 03:23:06 AM

Actually. I know where I've heard Serela's claim before. That was the fakeclaim OMGUS Cop that Pesco wanted to use in Graveyard Mafia.

I realized this, and it is what scares me.

Bard makes good points about Serela's fakeclaim, actually. I buy Polly's claim being a silly town gambit.

... Ah, hell.
##Unvote
##Vote Serela
GUT and LOGIC both say that he's more likely to be scum than Polly, I just don't particularly want to believe it because I've found Polly to be worse all day. <_<

Bardiche · « **Reply #235 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:28:49 AM »

I hate both of the claims now. The ONLY merit Polaris has to his claim is that he has a WIKI recommending this "let's lie as Town!" move which grants it some Town-motivated reasons but GUH, it is bad.

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..And who is Homura? UK isn't playing this game.

Yeah, but Homura is in this game. Obviously she doesn't need to claim her role or who she is, but she'll probably know why I am very cross with her. She can still make up for this! Post!

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #236 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:30:59 AM »

@Bard: http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714889.html#msg714889
"I never said I wanted Rikter lynched, I DEFINITELY never called him prime lynch material."
I don't know if you're just bad at reading, but I fail to see how this says "I never wanted Rikter lynched." Serela was asked to give alternate scum buddies, and you layed into him for not having a good case on a second scum buddy. The point Serela was trying to make was that his secondary case was obviously going to be weaker, but you then took that and twisted it into Serela backpedaling on his reads. Even worse, rereading it again, you layed into his secondary case because you thought he said "Tunneling" and ignored the part about "Rolefishing." Heck, you actually had to backpedal on your attack against Serela before he even responded.

Polaris is scum, regardless of which he flips. Actually, they both are, but I'm still more convinced that Serela is holding a townie card.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #237 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:31:47 AM »

I can see why Polly would attempt the gambit as town, personally. I can also see why somebody like him, who hasn't had much experience dealing with role madness and whatnot, would attempt to make that lie.

However, I think it would be weird for him to plan out a Weak Cop -> Hider fakeclaim as scum. Scum!Polly would probably just have wanted to stick to being the investigative PR, an dwould have chosen something more suitable for an investigative PR claim than a "weak cop" given the rule about ghostspeak.

ActionDan · « **Reply #238 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:34:37 AM »

Quote from: huh what on September 17, 2011, 03:31:47 AM

However, I think it would be weird for him to plan out a Weak Cop -> Hider fakeclaim as scum. Scum!Polly would probably just have wanted to stick to being the investigative PR, an dwould have chosen something more suitable for an investigative PR claim than a "weak cop" given the rule about ghostspeak.

Why? wouldn't ghostspeak make the role more believable?

Bardiche · « **Reply #239 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:35:54 AM »

Quote from: Chaore on September 17, 2011, 03:18:39 AM

i am indeed making an illegal pitching motion at serela's claim.

I don't know how the English language works. :V Clearly. I'm just using terms I hear on TV and I use them wrongly.

Either way I mean that it is not really trustworthy to me. A Cop who checks those who vote 'im, but only who vote him at the end of the day. That sounds, uh... incredible. So a Cop who needs to act scummy so people vote him so he can investigate them. Which means that after claiming, anyone who jumps off of him is either A) not interested in lynching a Cop claim or B) scum afraid of investigation.

Intimidation tactics go. No.

Quote from: WHMZakeri on September 17, 2011, 03:30:59 AM

@Bard: http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714889.html#msg714889
"I never said I wanted Rikter lynched, I DEFINITELY never called him prime lynch material."
I don't know if you're just bad at reading, but I fail to see how this says "I never wanted Rikter lynched."

"I never said I wanted Rikter lynched."
"I did not say that I wanted Rikter lynched."
"Your claim that I wanted Rikter lynched is false, I did not say I did."

There you go, that's how I read that. How do you read that?