Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!

[PX]

NeoSerela has been prodded again. ~5.25 Hours to deadline. Better get to lynching.

[Serela]

Ugh. Got stuck driving around with people all day. It was incredibly boring.

Okay, so, only about 5 hours left, and... Polly is the main wagon, with me in second place. Welp.

Polly just SCREAMS "easy mislynch for scum" to me, but as it's night for many players now, and with motk mafia activity being motk mafia activity (plus opinions in general), I honestly don't think any of the other wagons not named me could pick up fast enough to be the lynch.

So, Not Me Instead of Me, ##Unvote ##Vote Polaris. SIGH :C

If Polly was scum I'd imagine there being a better counterwagon by now. oh wait maybe it's me derp, but wait most of the votes on me aren't disagreeable anyway still don't really think polly is scum ;_;

Huhwhat still looks really strange to me. His targets just don't... I unno. But at the same time there's stuff that makes me go :town: and AUGH CONFUSING, how can I keep getting this even after coming back with a fresh mind ;_; DAMN YOU WHATTLES

My read on Dan turning about into a more town-looking read (Reminds me of how my feelings on Nih from last game went!) is continuing. I feel that Dan is town now. Earlygame was just a semantics disagreement I guess. I tend to get into those on D1!

Need to look at Bard more. Maybe Dormio too. No it's not because they're voting me, that's just coincidence ;_; But that can wait until we get a Polaris flip, because if he actually -is- scum, well, that changes things a lot.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Wasn't it yesterday when I started writing this?
Anyway!

Serela:
Nothing has changed from what I previously said about him. Would like to see lynched.

Shadoweh:
I really dislike Shadoweh.
For example, look at her #135. A whole bunch of defending herself followed by a vote on Polaris for coasting.
Why Polaris and not someone like Serela, who similarly gave very few opinions, or Youkai Jesus who hadn't given any opinions at that point?
Every time I read her posts, I get the feeling that she doesn't really care about WHO is lynched, as long as it isn't her.

ActionDan:
I thought he was more townie than not, and would prefer not to see his lynch today.

Polaris: I've got him grouped up with Rikter and Youkai Jesus in the "almost no content wat do" pile, will need a reread.

And cut by Serela.

[Polaris]

##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio

Yeah, okay, the wagons have consolidated and I don't want to lynch Serela or myself. I'm not exactly happy about everyone going "Dan is just being Dan" and I'll look over him at night and resolve the issue by the next day.

re: serela's vote on me: :L

[Polaris]

Wait, sorry, I must've missed capt. h's switch from Dormio to Serela, which puts the latter with more votes. Since I thought Serela would've voted Dormio because I'm town :L

[PX]

"If you want to make a wish for someone else, then you really need to take the time to think about what you actually want."

"ソウチオウライ～
アマリセイサンチャ　マサ～
エイサチャァァ～"

Believe in Justice! The Eleventh Votecount!
Shadoweh (2) - Hero999, Chaore
Dormio (2) - capt. h, NeoSerela, huh what, Polaris
ActionDan (1) - Polaris, Youkai Jesus
NeoSerela (3) - Dormio, Bardiche, capt. h
Polaris (5) - ActionDan, Shadoweh, Rikter, Zakeri, NeoSerela

Polaris is at L-2!

Not voting: Nobody!
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in ~4.5 hours.

[Hero999]

..I guess I should...but man, my motivation sucks at the moment.
Lets see..who was it again...
Serela, Dormio and Polaris...

@Shadoweh: I like how your specifically telling me to look at these 3. Leadership much? I dislike how your specifically trying to control who I look at.

@Serela: ...I do not like you at all at the moment. To have a gut read with even LESS information on dormio then even my last game? are you seriously unable to list things out? Either way your vote is an utter gamble with no kind of backing in the slightest. Also, everything you've done has little to no information to back up why you believe so. Coupled with the fact that you ruin every LyLo...I'm seriously willing for your lynch, after all you talked about meta, then meta should be used against you as well.
##Unvote
##Vote NeoSerela

Theres nothing about Dormio that leads me to want to lynch him over Serela.

As for Polaris...I don't know his reads. >:
I would like for him to post them in one post if possible.

[Polaris]

Wait fff. Serela was voting Dormio before he switched to me. So lame. B(

I'll switch to Serela for Not Me Over Me if I absolutely need to, but there's still some time for me to push Dormio. :L

Response to Hero999 in a bit.

[Shadoweh]

Dormio: Why would I be voting for Youkai Jesus? That'd be foolish.

These wagons happening now are so horrible. Serels, Polaris, Claim. Tell us now why we should save either one of you from fatal death.

[Polaris]

I am a Weak Cop. I can target someone, and if the target is scum, I die. If not, they're town.

[Serela]

...I really, really don't want to claim.

I have a good reason for this and I'd love to tell you... tomorrow. If we could just wait till tomorrow, then even if I get nk'd (Hooray everyone is tree stumps) that would be awesome.

Cut by Polly claiming cop ffff. Okay, well then, I guess I should claim. I have a restricted cop power as well. That's all I would like to say on the matter for right now, because revealing more would be very detrimental to any chance of actually catching scum with it.

[Serela]

Okay I never thought Polly was scum in the first place and now he's a cop too.

##unvote Polaris

Can we lynch someone OTHER then me or Polly, please? >> I can stay up super late if you like, to change my vote to whoever.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

This is a terrible thing to wake up from a nap to.

I would prefer Dormio (still) over Polly over Serela. Nothing has really changed. Polly's claim is less believable due to Serela theoretically counterclaiming him.

[Serela]

Also same as before my first choice in that matter is ##Vote Dormio

Bard would be #2.

I'm sleepy. I'll make reasons later. x_x Plus it's sort of demotivating to make cases when it's still most probable that either me or Polly is going to be the lynch, due to time constraints if nothing else.

Cut by huhwhat. I'm not exactly counterclaiming him; he has a restricted cop. If he hits scum, he dies (But due to Everyone Is A Tree Waiting To Be Cut Down (I thought we were supposed to be magical girls, not trees, wtf) result still gets revealed) and mine is restricted in... erm, a different way that really needs to not be claimed.

[Shadoweh]

O_o
Great, the exact reason waiting this long is terrible. You two are basically counter-claiming each other, do you really think you're both cops? huh what if you believe there's a possibility of a counter-claim why would you not want to resolve this?

[Serela]

-I- really think it's quite possible!

We are both limited cops, and this doesn't seem TOOOOO weird to me. As long as there isn't another cop, then I'd probably go "...uhm, no" and lynch Polly. But I can believe it as-is.

[Serela]

FYI, I can't necessarily even cop every night, and my choices when I can are limited. This is relevant to why I can believe in two limited cops.

[Chaore]

<Keine-tan> Chaore. Post in mafia.
<Chaore> Mafia? Which mafia? Does it give a lot of exp because theres double rainbow and i want more ap for the ap gods.
<Keine-tan> The game. Going on.
<Chaore> it's called mabinogi keine
<Keine-tan> The one run by the incompetent GM.
<Chaore> yes nexon is rather bad at this
<Chaore> actually px is probably worse than them with all his votecount errors
<Chaore> and crap i shouldn'tve said that

Mrrr. I still would prefer a Shadoweh lynch, but I'll relent that it isn't happening today.

I'd prefer either a Serela or Polaris lynch myself. Perhaps it's me naively judging Dormio as... Dormio. It seems more like bad play than anything legitimately scummy. My only slight worry is I can hardly remember anything he's said or done, but that's probably because i'm braindead.

Polaris is similarly just kinda not here in the least, but it seems like he's not trying to really make cases and instead make posts that prove he's alive. Unlike Dormio he seems to be sticking to the Dan case instead of branching out or commenting. I get the feeling he's not actually out there looking for scum but here sitting in to live for the next day and move from there. Wanting To Live isn't a scummy action, as I've had forced down my throat my first few days, but wanting to live as town is often finding out who the scum are. I'd prefer his lynch.

Serela on the converse is actually posting content but a lot of it seems off to me. His rolefishing bit in particular seems like he's trying to devote time to it to look townie for saying 'rolefishing is bad SCUM', which doesn't usually get more attention than 'Rolefishing is bad'. What really seems off to me is his #134 which seems to much like he's trying to sound like town who doesn't know what the fuck. Town who doesn't know what the fuck does not admit they do not know what the fuck, ever. He then claims to know what the fuck from a single dormio post and claims him his only one he's willing to vote. By definition I'd find someone trying to be someone who doesn't know what the fuck less likely to be scum than someone just trying to blend in, as it makes Serela stand out.

@cuts: Oh nevermind fuck that, I want Serela dead just because of that. ##Unvote, ##Vote: Serela

No, seriously. You do not claim 'GIVE ME ONE MORE DAY' and a second cop in a set up and get to live. There is no way we have two cops in a game where they can claim results from the grave. Just. No, Especially given the fact that Polly's restriction is beneficial as it prevents a 1v1 between him and his target and ensures a scum lynch day. If we seriously had two cops in this setup we could wall out scum just by town results alone, assuming no overlap. No sane man or even PX would make two cops in this setup.

The fact you're claiming 'totally restricted but uh let me have a moment to think of a reasonable restriction, is a night good' makes me just want you dead to PIECES.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

You two are basically counter-claiming each other, do you really think you're both cops? huh what if you believe there's a possibility of a counter-claim why would you not want to resolve this?

I don't believe that them both being town is an impossibility. As such, I'd rather us not have a false dichotomy between them.

[Serela]

Okay wagon on me is building. You want a fullclaim? Fine, at this rate I'm not even getting a single use of my power (Because I am pretty much expecting another vote to appear on me rather then more onto Polly or someone else, and I am L-2, soooooo.)

I am Sailor Moon Cosplayer NeoSerela (Motk). I am a Townie Wagon Cop. I have the Active ability [Moon Tiara Magic], which allows me to cop one person who voted me that day and learn their alignment.

I win when all the other factions are dead or nothing can prevent said death from happening.

[Polaris]

I never actually doubted the existence of another cop from the start because of the nature of my role PM (which is not necessary to elaborate on right now). I'm okay with Serela being the other cop unless there is a third cop or something which would just be insane.

[Shadoweh]

Seriously? My vote isn't moving an inch then. Weak Cop isn't even the real name of the role Polaris claimed, it's Hider. Both your cop roles are usable every day. There is no way you're both town. And you're going to get a use every day you're alive because anyone who refuses to vote and unvote for you at the beginning of a day can be confirmed scum.

"But Shadoweh they could both be town!" No they can't! At the very least one of them is lying their ass off! Guess which one I think it is!
##Confirm Killing the Hell Out of Polaris

[Serela]

Okay so, if ther-

wait

did Shadoweh just dayvig?

...*Stares and waits for PX to say a votecount or flip or something.*

[Shadoweh]

No I did not just dayvig anyone. Polaris would have been dead hours ago.
Actually, let's think logically.
Serela, can you explain to me how you thought you wouldn't be able to cop anyone if you claimed that role?
And what are the chances of Serela randomly getting Serela? Even with Tewi Dice..

[Serela]

Okay fine I lied. I realize now that due to stuff I said earlier, it was kind of too late to lie.

I can cop anyone who was voting me at the end of the day. I lied so that scum wouldn't try to be, y'know, not voting me at day's end or something. But now I realize that claiming it sort of helps make that not true because town would try to coordinate people onto me or whatever but well you know /collapse

Anyway. I just sort of assumed the Me Getting Me was a flavor thing. That all I had really rolled was Townie Wagon Cop, the rest being flavor PX made up.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

And what are the chances of Serela randomly getting Serela? Even with Tewi Dice..

Mod bias? <_< It's a bastard game. I don't think it's worth looking into, because it enters the WIFOM territory of "would Serela fakeclaim himself or not"?

Meanwhile.

##Unvote
##Vote Polaris
After further pondering, I don't buy his claim. "Weak Cop" does not sound like the name of a role that would be in this game from my current knowledge, partially because it clashes with my own role in certain balance areas (not saying anything more than this, sorry). Are you going to fullclaim (ie, include your flavor), by the way?

Serela is probably town, because he knew to claim Townie instead of Town for his own alignment.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

That brings him back to L-2, by the way.

"Weak Cop" does not sound like the name of a role that would be in this game from my current knowledge, partially because it clashes with my own role in certain balance areas (not saying anything more than this, sorry).

This sentence got mangled. It should read "This is partially because "Weak Cop" does not sound like the name of a role that would be in this game from my current knowledge, and partially because it clashes with my own role in certain balance areas (not saying anything more than this, sorry)".

[PX]

Playing DotA During the End of the Day is a Bad Idea Twelfth Votecount!
Shadoweh (0) - Hero999, Chaore
Dormio (2) - huh what, Polaris, NeoSerela
ActionDan (1) - Youkai Jesus
NeoSerela (5) - Dormio, Bardiche, capt. h, Hero999, Chaore
Polaris (5) - ActionDan, Shadoweh, Rikter, Zakeri, NeoSerela, huh what

Polaris and NeoSerela are at L-2!

Not voting: Nobody!
With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends in ~3.5 hours.

[ActionDan]

The case against serela seems hyped.

The most pointed example is capth's post which I don't like for a variety of reasons.  I am beginning to think that I've given you a pass for today simply because I haven't looked at you hard enough. 

The stuff against me and serela seem only to glean the surface.  Yes, I am talking about RVS and RNG with Polaris because his first content post was all about that, and I think it's a bunch of slander. He disagreed. We are having a back and forth.  You haven't taken a side but instead think we are both scummy; me because I'm having an argument with him, and Polaris for different reasons.

The thing is, I find your reasons for disliking Polaris stronger than "Waffle King" Serela.  I mean you just list the waffles and slap scum to it without a better explanation.

@Huhwhat's reponse:  Ok but you did take the trouble to frame that one line awkwardly... and if you read too fast and rushed reponses but had the same intention, I don't think a one liner like that (which I still don't think is bad) should have made a difference so big that you felt the need to include "you are now worse than YJ."


About these claims:

Serela's is worse (although Polaris' is highly unusual) for not claiming fully.  There's no guarentee your telling the truth.  If we lynched Polaris, and he fliped town, and next day we'd still be wondering if we could believe you.  Your claims should be judged on equal merits.  I don't understand HW saying Serela could theoretically be ccing a cop claim because the claim was 2nd.  Serela could just be lying to survive.

Polaris' claim is kinda weird.  What if he copped scum and died without anyone knowing?  That just sounds incredibly wasteful.  I'm not actually sure what I'd do with that claim though if true.  Since claiming early might earn a NK.


millions of cuts, let me read
 

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Also, Serela, why aren't you voting Polly?