Communication Breakdance (Game Over! Town win)

[Kilgamayan]

TownDocSodium would have seen my case and said "No, Kilga, you're wrong. I had better stated reasons to vote for Seniwac, and this, this and this are why." He would have done this because, since he was town, it would have actually been what he thought.

Sodium's reaction to my case was to initially ignore that part entirely and then later claim that he didn't know he had better stated reasons to vote for Zengar. This is notably not the approach described above.

[Sodium]

He half-assed his defense of the original case and has since only been picking at what is easily picked at.

What part of this doesn't describe KGH? The sentence after this quote can also easily describe KGH if you just change some words.

His defense of the main charge of not scumhunting amounted to "Ignore and ask more questions" which does him no favors whatsoever.

And I did say why I voted Seniwac. It was because of my TUNNEL BIAS. It was because of TUNNEL BIAS that I thought I had better reasons to vote Seniwac. It was this that made me think that I had better stated reasons for voting Seniwac compared to Zengar.

Kiro:
But it doesn't have anything to do with me being a doctor. It has hurt me, but it shouldn't matter more just because I'm a doc.
I didn't say it was a towntell at all. It's a nulltell.

[Edible]

Let's try this.

I am Tenshi Hinanai, and through the might of the Hisou no Ken, I will reveal the divine truth.

##Hisou no Ken: EX Na2O2

Sodium, your next post must consist of the following statement:

"My role in this game is a Town-aligned Doctor."

I will know if you're lying.  Type it word for word, without quotes, and absolutely nothing else.  If you fail to do so or attempt to avoid doing so by changing the form of the statement, I will assume you are scum and hammer you.

[UncertainJakutten]

UK: If you say you're not unhappy about a possible KGH lynch, but don't like the justifications you're seeing, then what reasoning has been acceptable so far from the other people on his wagon? Also, it is not a policy lynch to lynch someone who has not taken the effort to form his own opinions or cases or to not throw down meaningful votes and coast by on both Days. That is scummy in its own right.

I think it was you who seemed to be skirting around the "I don't care if he is town or scum, lynch him". This left me uneasy. If he's town, I think you will gain more scrutiny.

* UncertainKitten reads the rest of the post.

Ok, not quite as bad anymore...scratch scrutiny comment.

Personally I get the feeling we're misshooting with both of these lynches, especially Sodium. KGH I will hammer if no other case arises, because he really isn't helping in the slightest, but the lack of a Doc CC makes me relatively certain that Sodium's just getting called out for tunneling.

So it is required there be a doctor in every set up? And also the fact umu could have been that doctor has also been brought up. I do believe you gain scrutiny if Sodium flips scum.

Super xray vision scrutiny...

And...Edible has an awesome role I will be stealing in a future game.

[FinnKaenbyou]

##Unvote: Alice
Vote: Edible

Obvious fake role is obvious.

1. No warning of role madness.
2. Supposed role is massively imba - determine whether the next post by player X is true? Couldn't you simply ask a person to make the statement 'I am pro-Town' and then, if they're lying, simply lynch them? And in a game with a Doctor, it's pretty much a walking gamebreaker.
3. It's also pretty much a made-up role, so the odds of a CC are next to nil.

Cut by UK immediately assuming that the role is genuine. >_>

[UncertainJakutten]

##Unvote: Alice
Vote: Edible

Obvious fake role is obvious.

1. No warning of role madness.
2. Supposed role is massively imba - determine whether the next post by player X is true? Couldn't you simply ask a person to make the statement 'I am pro-Town' and then, if they're lying, simply lynch them? And in a game with a Doctor, it's pretty much a walking gamebreaker.
3. It's also pretty much a made-up role, so the odds of a CC are next to nil.

Cut by UK immediately assuming that the role is genuine. >_>

No, actually, I didn't want to give sodium an out, and actually edited my post before posting it.

I was going to say that (even if he doesn't actually have that role), but decided against.

But, ya kinda blew that. So yeeeeeeeeah.

Thanks Rou. I'd probably vote you if I weren't pretty certain Sodium was scum at this point.

[Kilgamayan]

Response to Sodium's most recent post is pointless now. Waiting for Sodium to respond to Edible before I assess what's going on.

Ideas on Edible's claim itself and Roukan's reaction will follow that.

[Pesco]

Waiting it is.

[WHMZakeri]

The "If the idea for this setup came from a song, should I be singing?" Votecount.

Kitten4U: Roukanken (L-6)
EX Na2O2: Kilgamayan, Pesco, UncertainKitten, Kiro, Alice Margatroid, Khorneish Game Hen, Kiro (L-1)
Khorneish Game Hen: EX Na2O2, Serpentarius, Kitten4U, Kiro, Pesco (L-3)
Serpentarius: Edible? (L-5)
Alice Margatroid: Roukanken (L-6)
Edible: Roukanken (L-5)

[Nachtwanderlied]

here i am

Sodium: What I mean is that you've been tunneling on me just like Day 1. Did you really have nothing to say about any other points people brought up? Did you really find nothing else but me suspicious enough to warrant talking about it?

Also I like how you ignored my first point. Is it because it's true?

Edible: The roleclaim looks very fishy. First of all, you claimed that you would know if it was a truth or lie. And how would this happen? Modtell can't really work because Mod can't be on 24/7. Are you implying that you KNOW Sodium's alignment?

UK seems to be doing absolutely nothing from her WOOHOO as of the moment. Will require a reread later.

##UNVOTE


##VOTE EDIBLE
Don't trust Edible enough to allow him supreme hammer power.

[UncertainJakutten]

UK seems to be doing absolutely nothing from her WOOHOO as of the moment. Will require a reread later.

Well, we probably caught scum just now, either from Sodium or Edible, and we have ties to said scum if it's sodium, quite obvious in the case of Rou.

I don't think there's much for me to do now.

[Nachtwanderlied]

MOD: How much time is there left?

[Edible]

Like 16 hours.

[Nachtwanderlied]

misdirection tactics will not work here, Edible


so yeah got any answers to the questions posed

[Edible]

It was around four hours ago that Zakeri said there were 20 more hours in the day.  What's 20 minus 4?

I'm not answering questions related to my role at this point in time, stop fishing for details.

Well, it's about 7:00 P.M., and the day ends at 11:00 A.M. the following day, so with five hours until midnight, plus the eleven hours afterwards puts it at 16 hours left.

[Kitten4u]

Homework is eating my life (and it doesn't help that I'm easily distracted).  Quick post before I go back to doing it.  I'll probably be back on before the deadline.

Edible's claim is just...Oh god what?  That coupled with the "I didn't post anything because the town was going to lynch the guy I wanted to lynch" is starting to make me lean scum on him.

There's another thing bugging me too.  Kiro, you stated that you believed the doc claim because the claim itself looked legit, yet in your next post you vote for Sodium.  What made you change your mind on the doc claim specifically?  If the claim is indeed true wouldn't that make Sodium town?

[Kilgamayan]

Seniwac: Don't bother pursuing details about Edible's role, it makes you look worse than you already do AND given roles that have been used before his explanation for how things will work is a valid one.

[Kilgamayan]

Also I would suggest everyone hold off on their assessment of Edible's claim until after Sodium has posted and Edible has returned his findings.

If people MUST be curious, Edible's claim appears to be some sort of daytime variant on the Lie Detector, which is plausible as a role. I care little for Sodium hearing this assessment because he has pretty explicit instructions that he can't dance around.

[Sodium]

My role in this game is a Town-aligned Doctor.

[Sodium]

EBWOP:
My Role In This Game
Town Aligned Three Shot Doctor
Haiku Format, YEEEAAAAAAAH!

[Edible]

Thanks, Sodium.

*waits for Zakeri*

[Edible]

EBWOP: Nice haiku.

Also, if you're scum dragging this out I'm going to light you on fire, and then have Alice change your nick every day to some different chemical forever.

[UncertainJakutten]

That was a nice haiku. (U)Kitten approved!

I will await the result.

[WHMZakeri]

The "Wine Drinking Contest" Votecount.

Kitten4U: Roukanken (L-6)
EX Na2O2: Kilgamayan, Pesco, UncertainKitten, Kiro, Alice Margatroid, Khorneish Game Hen, Kiro (L-2)
Khorneish Game Hen: EX Na2O2, Serpentarius, Kitten4U, Kiro, Pesco (L-3)
Serpentarius: Edible? (L-5)
Alice Margatroid: Roukanken (L-6)
Edible: Roukanken, Khorneish Game Hen (L-4)

About 15 hours left.

[Edible]

No result. :(

Well, I kinda think he's town now anyway, to be honest.

[Kilgamayan]

...Whaddaya mean, "no result"? I was under the impression you'd tell us "he's telling the truth" or "he's lying".

[Edible]

I was under the impression I'd be telling you that as well.  My ability seems to have fizzled somehow.

[Nachtwanderlied]

A PM may work?

[Serp]

Assuming Edible isn't just BS'ing us, my guess would be that Sodium has some sort of ability that makes him impossible to target.  Either way, the information we get from his flip just became a lot more attractive.  It sure as heck doesn't make him look any more townie to me.

##Vote: EX Na2O2 (L-1)

As far as I'm concerned, he can be hammered at any time.

[Edible]

I'm thinking he's looking town now for meta reasons.  I think Scum-Sodium would have caved in some fashion.