Communication Breakdance (Game Over! Town win)

[Zengar Zombolt]

Looks like resting from Mafia for the morning got me in suspicion. :/
So looks like everyone wants to know why I'm staying on Serp's trail. The reason is simple, and now is more clear. The speed in which he switched metas on KGH was so sudden, it strikes me as being just because it was easier to say in his tail if he actually had experience.

[Serp]

I don't expect him to listen to instructions anyway since we know he's a troll. I'm rationalising that he might be setting up meta with this and from the PoV of being in similar situations plenty of times, he had made genuine effort (despite it going nowhere in particular).

What do you mean by "setting up meta"?

His initial claim is anti-Town, but not scummy.
The things he has done since then are indeed scummy, but also could be attributed to being ineffective Town.

Can you name a single scumtell that couldn't be attributed to ineffective Town?  If he's been doing anti-town stuff and scummy stuff, as you admit, then I don't follow your reasoning in deciding that he's probably town.

So looks like everyone wants to know why I'm staying on Serp's trail. The reason is simple, and now is more clear. The speed in which he switched metas on KGH was so sudden, it strikes me as being just because it was easier to say in his tail if he actually had experience.

I think you're going to need to explain this a little more fully.

[Sodium]

Uh, I probably won't be back until 8 EST, so yeah.

Quick Note: Zengar: It's not that you were away, but the timing of your disappearance. Also, that's not a lot you know. Who else do you think is scum and why?

[?q]

His initial claim is anti-Town, but not scummy.
The things he has done since then are indeed scummy, but also could be attributed to being ineffective Town.

Can you name a single scumtell that couldn't be attributed to ineffective Town?

Not offhand, actually.

If he's been doing anti-town stuff and scummy stuff, as you admit, then I don't follow your reasoning in deciding that he's probably town.

Motive and intuition.
Or, I agree with Pesco.

[Pesco]

Much in the same way that you always make an issue of where RVS ends, you've set up meta so that it doesn't seem out of place for you to make a case based on RVS interactions.

[Serp]

Much in the same way that you always make an issue of where RVS ends, you've set up meta so that it doesn't seem out of place for you to make a case based on RVS interactions.

Well, yeah, but the difference is that I sincerely believe what I'm preaching here.  I'm not doing it for the sake of establishing meta - I'm doing it to win.  Are you telling me that you think KGH is purposefully screwing his own win condition this game so that he can breeze by with the same play in future games?

[Pesco]

You shouldn't put it past him to.

[FinnKaenbyou]

Alright, Role PM received. I was about to post the next installment of my Community Fanworks thing when I got it, so I'll get to putting that up before I comment. Apologies for the delay.

[WHMZakeri]

The "And then there were still thirteen" Votecount

Roukanken officially replaces Chen Yakumo.

EX Na2O2 (L-6): Pesco, U?
Suwako J. Moriya (L-7): Kiro
Kiro (L-7): Suwako J. Moriya
u?(L-7):  Khorneish Game Hen
Khorneish Game Hen(L-3): u?, Serpentarius, Uncertain Kitten, Suwako J. Moriya, Kitten4u, Ex Na2O2, Kilgamayan
Hizengar Byakuren (L-4): Kilgamayan, U?, Kiro, Kilgamayan, Pesco, Uncertain Kitten
Pesco (L-7): EX Na2O2, Kilgamayan
Edible (L-6): Kitten4u, Khorneish Game Hen
Kilgamayan (L-7):Hizengar Byakuren
UncertainKitten (L-6): UncertainKitten, Ex Na2O2, Khorneish Game Hen, Suwako J. Moriya
Serpentarius (L-6): Suwako J. Moriya, U?, hizengar Byakuren

EX Na2O2 (L-6): U?
Khorneish Game Hen(L-3): Serpentarius,  Kitten4u, Ex Na2O2, Kilgamayan
Hizengar Byakuren (L-4):  Kiro,  Pesco, Uncertain Kitten
Edible (L-6):  Khorneish Game Hen
UncertainKitten (L-6):  Suwako J. Moriya
Serpentarius (L-6): hizengar Byakuren

Note Voting: Roukanken, Edible?

By my count, there' seven and a half hours left in the day. Remember, since Haiku rule is in effect, you don't really need a majority for a lynch to occur, but it would make you feel better, wouldn't it?

[Pesco]

I'll attempt to wake up early. No guarantees.

[UncertainJakutten]

We could always make KGH and Zengar compete in haiku .

That'd be fun .

[UncertainJakutten]

cya all. I'm goin to DnD. Prolly not gonna be back for deadline. bai!

[FinnKaenbyou]

Oooooooookay. I was gonna start by asking for an extension, but apparently Zak doesn't play with exemptions. >_>

KGH seems like a well-intentioned new player. If he was playing the newbie card as scum, I doubt he would be making this much effort to actually play.

In comparison, Zengar's position is much worse. He's also making newbie mistakes, but I'm not getting the same feeling of, well, honestly as I did with KGH. He gets explicitly asked here to weigh in with some real opinions, and all he produces is 'Vote Serp for not changing his mind on KGH'. When KGH was at L-2, showing that obviously Serp wasn't alone in his opinion. And if not commenting on the previous cases is bad, then Zengar himself is probably even more guilty than Serp is.

Vote: Hizengar Byakuren (L-3)

I'm really sorry about the lack of content, I haven't had the time to read over the day in detail. I'll try to get up to speed during the night phase. -_-

[Edible]

Oh, hello.

##vote Zengar as promised.  I don't think my opinion of him will change between now and the end of Day 1, and I feel his lynch has a better chance of being beneficial (I.E. scum) than Tasty Chicken Man's.

[Suwako Moriya]

I sent out a PM to Zak, but I need to replace out due to hideous illness ruining my brain + uni shenanigans. Worst time to get sick ever. :/

This request has been noted. If you would like to replace Moriya, please send in a PM.

[Nachtwanderlied]

Response to Kiro:

Your statement on my Kilga points is highly suspect. First of all, you claim that they're wrong without providing a reason. Secondly, you point me towards Kilga on why my posts are wrong. However, in Kilga posts 277 and 283, he has no objection against my case; in fact, he finds it strange that I am not voting for the person in my best case: him. Now why would you do this? His posts did come before yours.

The reason why S-Moriya is suspect is mainly because he hasn't answered the questions. But let's take a look again.

114: Claims I am anti-town but not exactly scummy. Concludes I am lying and then wants me to die. The reasoning, that it was a conscious anti-townie move, is not enough. Why does anti-townie mean lying?

oh goddammit what switching out

[Zengar Zombolt]

So looks like everyone wants to know why I'm staying on Serp's trail. The reason is simple, and now is more clear. The speed in which he switched metas on KGH was so sudden, it strikes me as being just because it was easier to say in his tail if he actually had experience.

I think you're going to need to explain this a little more fully.

Ok. Basically you were treating initially Hen as newbie, but it wasn't until he explained himself that you saw the WIFOMess that was already touched before. Thus, I think that you changed you view just to see him as scum easier.

[Sodium]

Aaaaaaand I'm back(started this post at 7:40ish). I thought my real life business would take a bit longer, but I guess it didn't. So let's see.

Firstly, Hi Roukan, and welcome to my world when I replace at the end of Day 1(read:always).

Secondly, Zengar didn't answer my question. And his latest post is pretty bad. It was low on content, and seemed half-assed. It's actually worse then Seniwac's latest posts.
Let's see...
Zengar:
Tunneled on Seniwac
Waffled on Seniwac(lolwut, tunneling and waffling...XD)
Made a Wall of Waffles
Wall of Waffles didn't lead to a vote
Voted Serp for some awkward reasons, elaborates on it ineffectively
Didn't do anything outside of the above(...yeah)

Seniwac:
Beginning nonsense
Mass Questioning, semi-reactionary
No/Extremely Little Scumhunting
Suspicion Wall leads to no vote
Prod vote on Edible, badly timed and badly executed

...I wish they could both die, but Zengar takes the cake, especially after that lousy post(250). Point by Point, Zengar is actually worse now that I've made a list and compared them. Oh, and he has that point against him where he doesn't do anything noteworthy outside what I wrote.

Seniwac: Suwako voted you because:
You said that you were trying to end RVS in an outlandish way
Suwako believes that no townie would do that
You claimed VT
Suwako believes that the claim is a dirty dirty lie because no townie would do that, so you must not be town
Lynch All Liars(Basic rule, but there could possibly be exceptions)
Suwako votes you because he thinks you lied about being VT

Well, that's what I thought he meant. This is also highly simplified. Suwako, tell me if I got it wrong, because this is my best guess to whether you...wait. Fuck, you dropped out. Damit. Well, this is what I thought you meant. If I'm wrong, then sorry for misrep.

Edible: Elaborate? What else do you think? Do you have a post restriction or something? That post gives some justification to Seniwac's prod vote on you.

##Unvote
##Vote Zengar (L-1)

Zengar, Roleclaim, give some opinions, and state your thought process for the day. Or at least post something, if you're here.

Cut by Zengar. Read the above.

[Nachtwanderlied]

There is still the fact that he believes an anti-town lynch would be preferrable to a scum lynch, implied by his reasoning.

[Sodium]

"So you must not be town", meaning he thinks you're scum/not town. The Lynch All Liars is just an extension of it(he did say "you're lying").

Zengar waiting games.

[Nachtwanderlied]

And the first statement is "anti-town, but not scummy."

[Nachtwanderlied]

Also urge to hammer rising...

[Kilgamayan]

Don't hammer before a roleclaim.

[Nachtwanderlied]

Don't hammer before a roleclaim.

Of course. Although it is tempting, I will hold off.

[Hououin Kyouma]

If Chen's dropping out, I'm willing to step in. Just send me the role PM.

Now I need to read this damn thread. SERIOUSLY PEOPLE HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH 10 PAGES ON DAY 1

1. Khorneish Game Hen
2. u?
3. Hizengar Byakuren
4. Kitten-4u
5. Kiro
6. Chen Yakumo
7. Pesco
8. Serpentarius
9. Kilgamayan
10. Suwako J. Moriya
10.5. Edible?
11. UncertainKitten
12. EX Na2O2

Look at each of the player's profile's Total Time Spent Online

wait this coming from a guy who failed at mafia

[Sodium]

NOT IN THE GAME, DO NOT POST.

[Nachtwanderlied]

oh hey so is this like random posting time while we wait for a roleclaim?

[Zengar Zombolt]

Eh, probably either Kilga or Serp are hammering me so well, my thought process:
1) Hen looks weird... but it can be anything.
2) Hen does not look THAT weird actually... I need to rethink. (Or think less)
3) OK, Hen looks clean. Time to see the rest. posting about everyone.
4) Looks like not voting gets me into trouble, voting for the best case I have.
5) Serp looks suspicious with that pattern, I better vote him than anybody else.
And then it's just reaffirming my vote, while needing to explain myself constantly.

Cut by LOTS OF PEOPLE:

Also, Well, the role. I am Chiyuri Kitashiwakawa, Mafia Goon. Hammer away.

[Kitten4u]

Also, Well, the role. I am Chiyuri Kitashiwakawa, Mafia Goon. Hammer away.

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##Unvote
## Vote Hizengar Byakuren

[Nachtwanderlied]

NOoooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOO


I WANTED TO DRAW HIS BLOOOOooooD

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