[GG, Bard loses] Free! Mafia

[Shalako]

Your claim is that I only looked back for the post in question after being called out for not looking.

Goddamn Lies, I said you didn't use it to make your case stronger.

Yea, that's my point, I was giving you rope to hang yourself. This is yet another poor attack just a blatant Strawman this time.
You don't care about how poor your attack on Rei is.
You don't care that the things you attack Rei for he does as Town.
You care about grasping at  straws to justify a Rei/Shalako Scum team after declaring Rei Scum off of his 1st post for poor reasons and digging into more nonsense to justify it.
If you did care about me not Linking to Rei you'd have read the thread and found the post he has after it where he refers to me and Celery stepping out of the race.
Or further more you'd have even dug and found that post not to your liking.
Instead you don't bother and go for the throat attacks.

You ALSO quoted me out of context in a blatant attempt to make me look weaker

>_____> Then why didn't you actually say that? Surely you would look at "posts too much" and go "wait lemme rephrase that" if you truly meant "uses too many words" and not "posts too much"?

You shouldn't care about any of it if you truly think me and DNA are scum together.
I mean I quoted your post about 3 times you could have figured it out by now pretty simply instead of acting like it's a miscommunication to distract from critiques of your absurd attack on Rei.

[Shalako]

This is yet another poor attack just a blatant Strawman this time.
Should be next to my 1st sentence,

don't have time to read Rei but he's saying he didn't accept the comic as my motivation?
I figured that sentence about understanding your intention of resigning clear was because of the comic?
Since  Sel explained and I just posted a Comic?
Why not question me for my motivation then???

[Kilgamayan]

That first thing still makes no sense. Are you saying that I'm scum for not using a point against you to further a case against DNA? Because what is that I don't even.

For the second thing I'm at work and don't have time to go back and re-read properly to be sure, but a quick check suggests you may have been responding to one thing while I thought you were responding to another. I'll have a look at it over the game night.

[DNAbc]

No, I just don't think its very relevant for me so I did not address it. Far as I see that is because the comics themselves are RVS shenanigans which I don't have a problem with, and is only relevant for your discussion w/ Kilga because it involves arguing who was making stuff up, and the context of what others are responding to (aka comics) matters for your respective arguments.

Tldr addressing it not benefitial to my scumhunting, and isnt even relevant to me or the majority of the gamestate, me not participating in your quarrel (and by extension, other players) means we can have unbiased information regarding your interactions, so I didnt address that.

Honestly, even putting all that aside the 'who was making shit up' is very mudslingish, and the comic stuff was more grasping at straws, the argument is already going in circles, so I would advise you, Shalako, to stop pursuing it and clog the thread, since i believe we already  had more than enough on the table for analysis.

[DNAbc]

15 minutes to deadline.

BTW Bard, pls no portal references

[Shalako]

That first thing still makes no sense. Are you saying that I'm scum for not using a point against you to further a case against DNA? Because what is that I don't even.

You don't care about how poor your attack on Rei is.
You don't care that the things you attack Rei for he does as Town.
You care about grasping at  straws to justify a Rei/Shalako Scum team after declaring Rei Scum off of his 1st post for poor reasons and digging into more nonsense to justify it.

I've outlined over and over again how your attacks are poor. You purposely act obtuse like not being able to put together that many posts can mean long posts.
In this case it's because you don't care about finding out if Rei responds to things as Town when all you have to do is read Rei's last game and see how much of a serious player he is and how likely he would be to respond to a query.
But you don't care about it.
You don't care about if your reads are correct or not.
You don't care that attacking someone after misrepresenting their words is ludicrous.
You don't care to explain why me and rei would be a Scum-Team you just care about spraying people.
You outright lie about things that happened in the game and when called out on it just hand wave it.
You just swap into attacking to distract from how poor your arguments are.

[DNAbc]

Shalako, no toxic rule

[Shalako]

Not many posts, Posts a lot.

How is someone posting a lot a reason to vote someone if they always post a lot.
Makes no sense to vote someone for something they ALWAYS do regardless of alignment
.
We don't know how long whatever Team Captain does lasts and they can't shoot him until N2.

[DNAbc]

Reminder day already endef

[Bardiche]

CF7 (0): CF7
Rei Ryugazaki (4): Rei Ryugazaki, Shalako, ActionDan, Nagisa Hazuki, Raitaki, Raitaki, Shalako
Kilga (3): Kilga, Serela, CF7
Serela (1): ActionDan
Raitaki (0): Raitaki

DAY END, REI RYUGAZAKI BECOMES TEAM CAPTAIN!
Details for this position will follow tomorrow!

1 Day before end of N1.

Due to the powers of a role, you are allowed to talk at night.

Reminder: Send in any Night Actions to both PX and me!

[DNAbc]

Anyone want to claim responsibility?

[Kilgamayan]

I'm not sure anyone should claim responsibility right now, it paints a rather large "Kill Me" target on their back.

[DNAbc]

Its more like a kneejerk questioning though,  since I kind of have a hunch Dan could be the enabler of this nighttalk and given how unnecessarily quiet he is during the day. I don't really expect it to be answered otherwise though :v , so I suppose thanks for clarifying that.

But since now we are free to work out the lynch, who should it be? I am interested in lynching one of Shalako/Kilg because the spat makes me feel its unlikely both of them are on the scumteam. I am currently leaning Shalako

Other option probably is Serela, or dan

[Serela]

OKAY. My mafia'ing has been irresponsible between IRL things and then Touhou 15 coming out today and d1 being even more bleh than usual from not having a lynch to stimulate discussion. Thankfully, we have nighttalk so I can correct this :D Time to properly assert myself.

At first I was going to say "First of all, Shalako is not scum." But then I realized he got in a slapfight with town d1 last game as scum, too? No, no, this looks completely different still. This Shalako is much more proactive, the attitude and playstyle isn't similar. It rings very town to me, even if I do not necessarily agree with his conclusions/methods/whatever. (Someone was talking about "why are you spouting townreads aaa" earlier but since Shalako seems to be suspected by multiple people, I think this is a relevant one to mention.)

Overall, I think it's a town/town slapfight between him/Kilga, although I'm not as strongly sold on Kilga!town all things considered. Now that I look at it again, I mean, I still think Kilga's actions for most of the day were fine, but eventually it does start looking somewhat overblown. I think this might just be happening due to the low discussion weird D1-without-a-lynch environment? TBH I probably shouldn't say it looks like a town/town slapfight because I'm actually thinking I should probably keep an eye on Kilga, especially because I know he's a good player that probably won't be obvious if he's scum. Really, what I would like to help read his slot is reading stuff that isn't from a slapfight :V That's what D2 will be for though of course

I'm not sure why Raitaki is being showered in town praise :S I actually thought his earlier posts were pretty insignificant, and whilst #108 was an improvement that was -after- several people were already going "YEAH RAIKTAI IS DA MAN", and I still wouldn't expect that one to provoke such strong reactions from everyone. I could see him going either way. Apart from that, my interest is on CF7, and Dan is obviously, uhm, a thing that exists. CF7 just seems to spout reads and say "well, I think out of x/y/z... there is a scum! And from a/b/c... there is probably also a scum!" but the accompanying justification is fluff, and there doesn't really seem to be any logical correlation to why scums A and B should be in these groups. :S

[Patorikku]

I don't think my stance has changed much on anyone as of yet. I don't really agree with Serela's assessment on the Kilg v Shalako argument being town/town, at least not at the moment. I could buy Shalako pushing this hard based off of last game, but I feel as if he's more town-sided this game. I'm still keeping an eye on Kilg. Rereading that argument hasn't gotten me anywhere as of yet, so I'm hoping there are some better interactions to get a better read off of one of them D2, or even within the night.

The read I have on Rai is more gut, admittedly, but with what posts he's offered, there's been valuable enough insight that gives me the same intent vibe that Rei-chan's been talking about; he seems more intent on solving the case rather than getting himself a free pass. Rai's 83 is where that shines through the most for me.

As for CF7, I'm in agreement with everyone else, and I'd like to hear why he doesn't feel like pinning down who exactly he thinks could be scum at the moment. I know there's not a lot of information to run with at this point, but I'm sure now you can offer us more insight on the individuals you've been questioning. Which of Shalako, Kilg and Rei-chan are you most suspicious of? And what about of me, Serela and Raitaki? Why do you feel you can outright exempt the possibility of Dan being scum?

[Raitaki]

Oookay, Shalako is a little too deep in conspiracy theorist territory now. Saying someone is scummy for not nitpicking their scumread on D1 is kind of ridiculous, and I can't even understand anything he brought up after that point. The "many posts = long posts" thing honestly confuses the heck out of me, the best I could manage is to guess that it's a (pretty nonsensical) response to Kilga saying that he wasn't accusing DNA of making too many posts because DNA had only posted twice at a time. And then he went back to just simply re-listing Kilga's actions in the simplest and scummiest light, again. I don't know if Shalako does this as town or if this points to him being scum, but I'm just going to say: It's terrible malicious and toxic and it's winning you Z-E-R-O points in the eyes of other people. And before you argue that you don't care how town views you as long as you catch scum for town, I'm just going to say that no, you're not helping us catch scum. All you are doing right now is overloading the thread with a bunch of textdump that nobody wants to read because of how toxic it is. I guarantee you that as long as you post like this, nobody will get an inkling of what you're trying to say, and we'd honestly prefer you just voting Kilga then disappearing until phase end rather than sitting there defacing Kilga with your ad hominem.

Dan is currently being even worse than, like, all the games I remember with him in it. Damn I want to vote.

[Kilgamayan]

You ALSO quoted me out of context in a blatant attempt to make me look weaker

Okay, yeah, this one is a brain lapse on my part. For some reason I parsed post #84 as a response to the second half of my post #82, when looking back on it again it's more obviously a response to the first part. My bad.

The rest of that post is...well, I've already made my position on player meta clear, so. And even ignoring my opinion about player meta, that's an awful lot of angst that's at least partially over me not "doing my research" when coming up with a just-above-joke-vote-level reason to cast a suspicion in the third part of the game. (FWIW I don't care about much DNA anymore, nothing he's done in the actual meaningful part of the game as been very scummy.)

Other things are that, on top of CF7, I don't know who Serela or Patorikku would vote for right now if they could cast one. Not because they're not voting, but because I can't glean a solid "I think this person is probably scum" suspicion from reading over their posts. This is mildly worrying. Who WOULD you two vote for if you could, given the chance? (Don't say Dan, that's the super lazy answer.)

[Kilgamayan]

The rest of that post

Oop, this is in reference to post #125, not the rest of post #120.

[Serela]

Other things are that, on top of CF7, I don't know who Serela or Patorikku would vote for right now if they could cast one. Not because they're not voting, but because I can't glean a solid "I think this person is probably scum" suspicion from reading over their posts. This is mildly worrying. Who WOULD you two vote for if you could, given the chance? (Don't say Dan, that's the super lazy answer.)

On top of CF7? Do you mean apart from? :S I mean I'm probably going to vote CF7 going into d2. Apart from that I need to keep looking at you and Raitaki but I don't actually have a scum read on either of you right now, you're just the two (plus Dan) I could sooner see maybe being scum.

[Patorikku]

Other things are that, on top of CF7, I don't know who Serela or Patorikku would vote for right now if they could cast one. Not because they're not voting, but because I can't glean a solid "I think this person is probably scum" suspicion from reading over their posts. This is mildly worrying. Who WOULD you two vote for if you could, given the chance? (Don't say Dan, that's the super lazy answer.)

Right now, I feel as if my vote tomorrow is between you and Shalako, and actually leaning a bit more toward Shalako due to the toxic nature of his last post. I recognize it's more of a policy vote if I base it solely off of that, so I want to see more reactions between the two of you before I set that vote down in stone. I'm almost certain one of you is scum after that extensive back-and-forth that took up the entirety of the day, but it's just a problem of figuring out which one of you it is.

Beyond that, I want to hear how CF7 responds to my queries before I say anything for certain, but he is getting a scum lean from me right now.

Dan's a policy vote due to hyper-extreme lurking to downright being absent from the game. I'm not even bothering with him until he posts something.

[Kilgamayan]

Serela: Perhaps "in addition to CF7" would have been a better turn of phrase. I was clumping the three of you together on the grounds that I couldn't tell who any of you suspected strongly enough to be willing to vote for them.

Fake Edit: Mmm. Satisfactory answers from both of you, I suppose, though I think I like Patorikku's a bit more (independently of my opinion of Shalako). I kind of want to say that CF7 suspicions aren't too hard to have right now either (given the number of times his behaviour has already been publicly noted), but scummy behaviour is scummy behaviour, so I can't really hold it against either of you (and a CF7 case is certainly more efforted than a Dan case). Maybe I'm just sad that I didn't get something unexpected. :v

[ActionDan]

Ya night talk is me, clearly.  Also pr ended.  Yeah I decided not to read after I realized that pr was hell.

So.  Any leads half naked boiz. And lady.  Serela is like town though. I bank on it

[DNAbc]

Dan, questions.

Why initially vote me? Then decided to vote Serela?

whats your take on the Kilg v Shalako slapfight?

Scumreads and townreads? Lynch targets?

Any other observations?

Is your nightalk compulsive (stay silent or get modkilled) or optional? (Each day phase you say nothing everyone gets nightalk)

Answers ty

[ActionDan]

Competing wagons are fun.
But serela was town.

Didn't read that.  I'm not a fan of shalako.  I was a bit taken aback by kilgas appeal to me but I don't scumread him.

Shurg

Nope

Um. Follow pr. Get nighttalk. For D1/n1 only

[DNAbc]

So woefully little happened. I think we are pretty much in agreement on who to lynch though, its either Dan/Shalako, followed by CF7, probably I am missing something on why Cf7 is scum tho, a case on him would be great

I wish Dan and Shalako would say sth though, its kind of depressing how they just don't even try to play

Cut by Dan posting :v

Elaborate more on why Serela town? Was it because of Serelas explaination on why hes disinterested in competing for the TC position?

[DNAbc]

17 minutes to deadline

[ActionDan]

Something along those lines.  If you directly compare it to cf7 saying the same thing it's sort of night and day.   Not that cf7's explanation was that bad of it's own accord though

[Kilgamayan]

I was a bit taken aback by kilgas appeal to me

That was mostly ED1 horsing around anyway

[CF7]

Oh. I didn't realize it was night with night talk enabled so i didn't even bother looking at the thread. Sorry. Still at work will be home in ~4 hours. Hopefully didn't miss much.

[Bardiche]

Night 1 has ended!

All roles (where applicable) have been resolved and night action results have been returned!

72 hours until the end of Day 2!

Day 2 - "Team Captain, represent!"
Town has 48 hours in which they may freely submit votes, one per person. After that time, votes are locked in place and may no longer be moved! There will be 24 hours for the Team Captain to select any one member of the collective with equal to or more than 3 votes as the Day's lynch. Town may continue to discuss during those 24 hours.

There are 8 votes in play. 3 votes nominate someone for elimination.