Author Topic: Filler Mafia - Day 5 (Read 65661 times)

CF7 · « **Reply #90 on:** June 16, 2015, 08:26:38 PM »

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on June 16, 2015, 04:26:07 PM

Questions for everybody.
1 - What do you think is the best way to catch scum?
2 - When playing as scum, what do you think are your biggest scum-tells?

Is there a point to this questionnarie? But i guess i can answer.
1. It really depends on the player i think.
2. I can be more apathetic than usual, i guess.

Quote from: Shadoweh on June 16, 2015, 05:44:04 PM

I think it's more likely CF7 saw me badmouth him and doesn't like me for it then he saw 'no particpation'. That's pretty dishonest.

My memory is fuzzy. And it's not the case.

Murrin · « **Reply #91 on:** June 16, 2015, 11:08:34 PM »

Quote from: ActionDan on June 15, 2015, 12:32:11 PM

Goddammit guys walls on page 2

SB · « **Reply #92 on:** June 16, 2015, 11:38:06 PM »

Quote from: Murrin on June 16, 2015, 12:14:10 AM

I haven't looked at the thread but I saw that my vote for Zak was not counted. Do votes have to be bold on this board?

They technically don't, but it means I'm less likely to miss them.

21 hours and 52 minutes remain.

Murrin · « **Reply #93 on:** June 17, 2015, 12:14:29 AM »

Sky seems town for the moment.
Dormio's content indicates town for the moment but he hasn't posted much recently.
DNA's reasoning seems weird.
Don't know about CF7.
Don't know about Shadoweh, Selery, Zak, Dan.

Zak, what makes me suspicious?

Also, Zak, you didn't explain why you held your vote on Dormio earlier this phase after seeing Dormio's contributions.

I might be able to answer Sky's questions, but for the past 3 games (which are the only mafia games I've played in a while) I played pretty fucking badly.

"1 - What do you think is the best way to catch scum?
2 - When playing as scum, what do you think are your biggest scum-tells?"

1) Analyzing votes, asking the voter questions about why he/she made a vote or held their vote at a specific time.

2) scum tells that have caused me to be found out when I've been mafia: hasty voting based on something small; roleclaims or action claims that don't line up with roleclaims or action-tracking claims that others made.

I guess I'll hold my vote on Zak because he ignored my suspicion and didn't defend himself, and I don't really have a case on anyone (and apparently not voting is scummy).

##vote Zak

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #94 on:** June 17, 2015, 12:53:31 PM »

Phase ends in a little over 8 hours from now, by the way. I will not be here for it. CF7 might wanna claim.

Serela · « **Reply #95 on:** June 17, 2015, 12:55:39 PM »

Me, Murrin, Shadoweh, and SkyPal are the only people who have posted in the last 24 hours.
:I
By the way, there's only 8.5 hours left. I'll be here all day more or less?

Serela · « **Reply #96 on:** June 17, 2015, 12:59:09 PM »

Oh wow, I didn't even see SkyPal's post there. I mean. I'm also interested in a Zak lynch. Maybe moreso than CF7? It's hard to tell WITH NO DISCUSSION. And with over half the game not voting with the deadline in mine because they AREN'T HERE AAAAAAA

Serela · « **Reply #97 on:** June 17, 2015, 01:02:10 PM »

deadline in mind*

CF7 · « **Reply #98 on:** June 17, 2015, 01:12:00 PM »

I don't mind lynching Zak, actually.

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on June 17, 2015, 12:53:31 PM

CF7 might wanna claim.

Eh, why not. The phase extension. That was my awesomesauce one-shot ability. So i am functionally a VT now.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #99 on:** June 17, 2015, 02:27:02 PM »

Just making a quick post before I go to sleep.

I'm still super happy with my CF7 vote.
As I mentioned in #71, CF7's vote on Serela is all sorts of terrible.
Other than that, CF7 hasn't really done anything other than say that he's okay with lynching Zakeri for reasons unknown in the post above this one.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #100 on:** June 17, 2015, 02:33:21 PM »

Also, if you want to delve deeper into the mind of Dormio, enjoy this post.

Quote from: CF7 on June 16, 2015, 04:18:34 PM

I dunno. I'll be accused of hunting down "lurkers" again.

I really, really dislike this statement.
Why are you afraid of being accused of "hunting down 'lurkers'"?
Especially when you give somewhat valid reasoning (I don't agree with it) in the same post that you make this statement?
It's like you're just looking for excuses to snipe at people without actually voting for them or making a solid statement that you're willing to stick to.
Like you're trying to leave all your options open since you're all like "well yeah I want to vote for Shadoweh and Serela but I'm not going to because other people won't agree with my reads" and that's like the most useless stance ever?
Iunno.
Like, wouldn't you normally try to convince other people that you're right if you actually believed in your reads?
This leads me to think that you don't even really believe in your own reads and you're just putting shit out there for the sake of putting shit out there and looking like you're doing something when you're still doing nothing.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #101 on:** June 17, 2015, 02:34:52 PM »

Anyway, good night.
I'll probably be back up before the deadline but no promises.

Serela · « **Reply #102 on:** June 17, 2015, 02:55:49 PM »

I don't like CF7 but I think Zak's posts look more actively scummy.

##Unvote ##Vote Zakeri

CF7 · « **Reply #103 on:** June 17, 2015, 03:49:10 PM »

Quote from: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 17, 2015, 02:27:02 PM

Other than that, CF7 hasn't really done anything other than say that he's okay with lynching Zakeri for reasons unknown in the post above this one.

Same lack of content.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #104 on:** June 17, 2015, 03:57:49 PM »

Why them and not people like Dan?

Also I was meant to go to sleep, what happened?

Serela · « **Reply #105 on:** June 17, 2015, 04:05:55 PM »

Dan is Dan. Dan is one of the most realistic people to do this and still be town. Town!Dan will provide something eventually though, whilst scum!Dan will probably keep doing this forever, more or less. Besides, the informational value from a Dan lynch is also nil, so d2 would be at more or less the same spot today is. (I'm trying to ignore the fact that the activity level is so dead, we're probably doomed to that regardless)

Also, d1 is not the time to lynch people for not posting. Active lurking sure, where they post but the posts have nothing in 'em, but that's somewhat different. ...Zak hasn't really posted, but when 5/9 players haven't posted there's only so much you can do, and I'm not voting Zak over the lack of activity, I'm voting him because I think the way he went about going after me is scummy.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #106 on:** June 17, 2015, 04:05:59 PM »

You're probably up late worried people will catch up to your two-year browsing deadline.

I could bomb a lurker, except:
Murren's activity really disturbs the shit out of me.
CF7's inactivity also bothers me. The phase extension, while nice, didn't do anything except give us a chance to lynch somebody other than CF7. I didn't see him do anything with it. While I appreciate he did respond to my questions, I'm not seeing any kind of life from this slot outside of responses.

I stopped bothering with DNA this phase because he keeps saying the same thing over and over. However, he is at least saying something, and I'm loathe to push for a lynch on one of the most chatty players, and I've also learned at great cost that players can be wrong and not scum.

Zak/Dan/Shadoweh are pretty much what I expect from them. Dan only posts when he's scum. I might light a fire under his ass sometime day 2 and see what bubbles out of his mouth, though.

Generally happy with Dormio driving content.

I'm around for another half hour if anything amazing pops up. Currently ok with CF7.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #107 on:** June 17, 2015, 04:11:31 PM »

Serela's vote switch does surprise and/or concern me.

Mind clarifying this some more?

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #108 on:** June 17, 2015, 04:11:59 PM »

Specifically this:

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I think Zak's posts look more actively scummy.

Serela · « **Reply #109 on:** June 17, 2015, 04:19:13 PM »

I'll just quotedump because it's small and I'm lazy, first is a quote from me

Quote from: Selery on June 15, 2015, 07:20:35 PM

Tenuous reasoning. Empty unvoting is bad, when prodded you said you weren't sure which lurker you wanted to vote for. Lurkers? You're trying to decide which lurker to vote for this early in the game? That's RVS jokevote tier right there. I'm p.content with my vote on you.

Quote from: Bike-huni Zakeri on June 15, 2015, 07:38:55 PM

##Unvote ##Vote: Serela
I understand you think it's bad but you need to explain why it's bad and also why it's a scum move.

-snip where I spent two short sentences elaborating in a concise manner-

Quote from: Bike-huni Zakeri on June 16, 2015, 05:53:31 AM

I wanted Serela to expand on her vote because as it stands, it's just a policy vote with a lot of yelling behind it.

Also I gave the wall makers more than a glance and I see Murrin is actually pretty suspicious. I gave him/her a newbie pass because I've seen the "What does RVS even?" argument so many times before but I see that might have been a false flag.

Not only do I not agree (and several other people voiced disagreement with Zak about this as well) but calling it a policy vote backed by yelling is both painting it in a bad light with buzzwords (as I said in my original response to that post) and a misrep on the part of "lot of yelling", which makes it sound like I'm just hyping it up with passion or :wordswordswords: (the latter not being a bad tactic since people get lazy with so many words there) but the reality is it was very short and clear and consisted just of some simple logic that anyone who's played a good amount of mafia should already know in the first place, hence I only elaborated after Zak asked me to.

SB · « **Reply #110 on:** June 17, 2015, 04:26:57 PM »

5 hours left

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #111 on:** June 17, 2015, 04:27:32 PM »

You specifically voted CF7 because of his empty unvote. So yes, it's a policy vote.

I do think, though, that this was the correct application of such a policy vote, and I view CF7's countervote/Zak's soon-after-vote with a mild degree of suspicion.

CF7 stated that the reason he had unvoted was because he hadn't decided which lurker to bomb. After your vote, though, he counter-voted you. Which to me says that he wasn't actually trying to decide which lurker to bomb, and legit had no idea who to vote until you provided with him at least an OMGUS reason to do so.

With this in mind, I think CF7 is probably scum.

I feel that it's unlikely that scum!Zak + scum!CF7 would show their hand this early. Other than your own vote, Murren is voting for Zak, and Murren is acting very strangely. I'm wary of this wagon.

Serela · « **Reply #112 on:** June 17, 2015, 04:31:17 PM »

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on June 17, 2015, 04:27:32 PM

You specifically voted CF7 because of his empty unvote. So yes, it's a policy vote.

I feel that it's unlikely that scum!Zak + scum!CF7 would show their hand this early. Other than your own vote, Murren is voting for Zak, and Murren is acting very strangely. I'm wary of this wagon.

The vote expanded past that when CF7 stated he wasn't sure which lurker to vote; I added this as a strong reason (imo) before Zak called it a policy vote.

I don't think Murren's latest post is strange at all, but I'm also not the one who's played with him before I suppose.

I'll switch back to CF7 at deadline if necessary; I don't object to the wagon at all.

CF7 · « **Reply #113 on:** June 17, 2015, 04:45:22 PM »

@Dormio on my not really being into the game. It's actually true. At the moment i am super invested in the other game that started at the same time as this one on my native forum (and due to circumstances they should have like 2 weeks differences in start), and i am trying really hard for the situation not to blow up in my face. Plus it's D1 here and with general laziness i can't say i can do much here. It's hard to argue when there's not many people to argue with.

On Zak. I don't like this Serela vote. And that's pretty much it.

Other than our little spat on semantics of my Murren's vote sheeping Sky's vote not much happened. Also it's a really silly reason, considering Sky's justification for his vote. I.e. this.

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on June 14, 2015, 12:09:08 PM

Come on man, we filled up 8 pages of RVS discussion and then found 2/3 scum on the first day in our last game. You were there! I can't believe you forgot it already.

So, yeah, Murren knows that RVS can be useful and yet he clearly said that he won't do it.
Something like that.

Serela · « **Reply #114 on:** June 17, 2015, 04:48:29 PM »

Quote from: CF7 on June 17, 2015, 04:45:22 PM

It's hard to argue when there's not many people to argue with.

a highly true statement which is why I didn't find the "but then cf7 didn't do much with the extended deadline" reason to be very convincing; everyone stopped talking

Murrin · « **Reply #115 on:** June 17, 2015, 05:42:59 PM »

On phone and don't have time to quote

CF7 I honestly forgot that in that game, RVS caused our 2 strongest players to highly suspect 2 out of the 3 mafia players (then the 2 players who called them out both got killed by the end of night 1).

Sky, how am I acting strangely?

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #116 on:** June 17, 2015, 06:00:06 PM »

Mainly

Quote

CF7 I honestly forgot that in that game, RVS caused our 2 strongest players to highly suspect 2 out of the 3 mafia players (then the 2 players who called them out both got killed by the end of night 1).

I'm out for the rest of the phase. Good luck folks.

Serela · « **Reply #117 on:** June 17, 2015, 06:25:43 PM »

3 hours left and I'm not sure if there's even enough votes in play to lynch cf7?

It's kind of been forever since we had a votecount either but zzzz

CF7 · « **Reply #118 on:** June 17, 2015, 07:18:52 PM »

Well, i admit that my game was not so stellar, but i don't think that lynching me is the correct choice, tbh. And since i do not want to vote for myself, i guess i'll do this.

##Unvote
##Vote Zakeri.

Murrin · « **Reply #119 on:** June 17, 2015, 08:15:27 PM »

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on June 17, 2015, 06:00:06 PM

Mainly
I'm out for the rest of the phase. Good luck folks.

Well that's a fair judgment, it was an honest mistake, but there's no way to prove that.