so it's okay to insult people working off of the information they were provided if you had no information about it yourself? so you were literally behind the people complaining and yet you're still shit talking them
i mean you constantly go on about winrate. his winrate was 41% until people figured out w max, so by your usual logic he was garbage
I wasn't insulting anyone.
I was commenting on the sudden switch in opinion. Which happens every time the community say 'X sucks' and then the people in the know actually prove them wrong. And then they act like some sort of combination of sheep and parrots. I was commenting on the pattern. Not insulting anyone. Don't put words in my mouth.
And I don't use winrates alone. Especially not for a recently reworked champion unless the skill-level required is very low; or the winrate is very high. [Ashe being at 52% in soloQ might be an issue; for example; although she seems to be stable there]
New Ryze's skill level was significantly higher than Old Ryze. A drop in winrate is expected regardless. Winrate is
an indicator; not the
sole one. You need to also consider popularity [Sheep and generally bad players] and difficulty [Compounds with popularity.]. If it was the sole indicator Lee Sin would need a pretty drastic buff. But he's difficult and very popular. So his winrate falls due to bad Lee Sins. Contrast Elise; who has a very low pick rate and win rate. Despite her being somewhat difficult; this is bad, because you can assume the people who still play her know what they are doing.
Also contrast say; Rammus who has a high winrate but a very low pick rate; indicating he is being picked into good matchups by people who know how 2 Rammus.
Winrate is important, but you take it in context. This is why a lot of the most popular champions in ranked actually have a sub 50% winrate. Thresh has almost 1.5x the ranked useage of any other support but is at ~48% because of a combination of bad players [Exaggerated in support since people are 'forced' into the role] and people simply playing against him so much that they know what to do [Morgana counters Thresh's primary tool and is #2 support]. Is Thresh underpowered? No.