Author Topic: Puzzle & Dragons forever 17 - Star Vault Didn't Go So Well: I Was Nonplussed (Read 191266 times)

Jq1790 · « **Reply #210 on:** January 28, 2015, 03:05:38 AM »

Oh hey, Gravis in NA this Saturday/Sunday.

Thaws · « **Reply #211 on:** January 28, 2015, 05:14:35 AM »

Instead of daydreaming about pulling a verdandi all day, I've decided to actively try to make my team better.
Putting an Andromeda in bastet seems weird at first, but the synergy is there.
Liu Bei + Andromeda active: R->B, DLH->G
That means your board is completely Green and Blue, roughly in the ratio of 2:1.
The best part is you can anticipate how many blues you'd get instead of relying on whatever full board changes are gonna give you.
Combined with Netete's Maximized Power Arrangements, it's possible to do lots of TPAs
In the pic was me getting a 18-12 board, and did 3 TPAs (total 7 combos skyfall to 8 ).
Green Mask's 1 mil def wasn't even a thing :v (The whole thing works only because liu bei is OP enough that you can waste a slot on non-green, to be frank)

Would a Perseus work better? maybe. but I don't have. :V (Can't make a good 2 colour board easily with him though)

At least I'm done with Weds myth for a while.

commandercool · « **Reply #212 on:** January 28, 2015, 05:38:34 AM »

Kali worked perfectly on Izanami. This is my first outing in a real dungeon with her, and she did great. Looking forward to getting the team actually fine-tuned so it isn't being dragged down by dead weight Lilith. I would've been in big trouble if my 60% lock resist had failed, but it didn't.

trancehime · « **Reply #213 on:** January 28, 2015, 05:57:02 AM »

https://twitter.com/trancehime/status/560255150149742592

Decided to practice LKali myself; any suggestions on how to improve my team?

Yukarin · « **Reply #214 on:** January 28, 2015, 06:16:41 AM »

Quote from: tranceHiME on January 28, 2015, 05:57:02 AM

https://twitter.com/trancehime/status/560255150149742592

Decided to practice LKali myself; any suggestions on how to improve my team?

the team is fine.

if you had athena it would be better but that is okay because you got yomi.

trancehime · « **Reply #215 on:** January 28, 2015, 06:17:58 AM »

Quote from: Yukarin on January 28, 2015, 06:16:41 AM

the team is fine.

if you had athena it would be better but that is okay because you got yomi.

I'll make room for Athena once I ultimate evolve her and awaken her.

commandercool · « **Reply #216 on:** January 28, 2015, 02:02:36 PM »

I've been getting my green Odin ready for the next wave of alt dungeons. I evolved him yesterday and was ready for him to take five million experience to max out and to have some crazy materials for his ultimate evolution. Turns out no, he maxes out at four million and his ultimate evolution costs basically nothing. Well that's good I guess. Old monsters gooooo... I still don't have enough Tamadras to awaken him even with all the free Tamadras lately, but I'll probably pick up a few more on Friday farming Angelits.

Next up is Durga. I need better black filler for my Kali team. Izanami might actually be the right call because she provides a lot of badly-needed HP, but Durga's evo materials are dirt cheap and she takes less to max out.

I could also potentially use this team:

Kali/Kali/Athena/Rose/Hera-Is/Kali

I finally got my Hera-Is evolved, so even though she's underleveled she at least provides the colors she's supposed to. Rose and Athena are already maxed, so I wouldn't have to do very much extra work.

Edit: That team exceeds my team cost by like a lot. Never thought that would happen again. Oh well, later then.

Jq1790 · « **Reply #217 on:** January 28, 2015, 04:27:21 PM »

Quote from: commandercool on January 28, 2015, 02:02:36 PM

I've been getting my green Odin ready for the next wave of alt dungeons. I evolved him yesterday and was ready for him to take five million experience to max out and to have some crazy materials for his ultimate evolution. Turns out no, he maxes out at four million and his ultimate evolution costs basically nothing. Well that's good I guess. Old monsters gooooo... I still don't have enough Tamadras to awaken him even with all the free Tamadras lately, but I'll probably pick up a few more on Friday farming Angelits.

Next up is Durga. I need better black filler for my Kali team. Izanami might actually be the right call because she provides a lot of badly-needed HP, but Durga's evo materials are dirt cheap and she takes less to max out.

I could also potentially use this team:

Kali/Kali/Athena/Rose/Hera-Is/Kali

I finally got my Hera-Is evolved, so even though she's underleveled she at least provides the colors she's supposed to. Rose and Athena are already maxed, so I wouldn't have to do very much extra work.

Edit: That team exceeds my team cost by like a lot. Never thought that would happen again. Oh well, later then.

Until you have like 350cost, there's always at least a slight chance you'll run into cost problems SOMEHOW. I don't recall anything having a higher cost than 70 right now, though I might be remembering wrong.

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #218 on:** January 28, 2015, 04:59:33 PM »

iirc 70 cost is the highest right now for any reasonably usable card. Though I stopped having problems back at about 280 cost since it's unreasonable to fill your team with 70 cost'ers right now.

commandercool · « **Reply #219 on:** January 28, 2015, 05:01:30 PM »

Quote from: Jq1790 on January 28, 2015, 04:27:21 PM

Until you have like 350cost, there's always at least a slight chance you'll run into cost problems SOMEHOW. I don't recall anything having a higher cost than 70 right now, though I might be remembering wrong.

I've looked into this before, 70 is the limit. Except those goofy masks, but nobody cares about those. Athena and Beezlebub are at the top, possibly with a few others.

Thaws · « **Reply #220 on:** January 28, 2015, 08:45:39 PM »

LKali skillups currently at 1/16 aaaah wtffff my angelits ;--; rip

Apoc is 2/5 tho

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #221 on:** January 28, 2015, 08:49:59 PM »

Quote from: commandercool on January 28, 2015, 05:01:30 PM

I've looked into this before, 70 is the limit. Except those goofy masks, but nobody cares about those. Athena and Beezlebub are at the top, possibly with a few others.

The only 70 cost cards are uvo Hera-Ur, uvo Hera-Is, Uvo Athena, Uvo Beelzebub, uvo DMeta and uvo Satan.

None of them are cards you would particularly want to have multiple of in the same team (Although Athena + DMeta would be a pretty good duo for an attacker horus team.)

Janitor Morgan · « **Reply #222 on:** January 28, 2015, 08:52:13 PM »

D/D Zaerog used to cost 110! :V

Meanwhile I've got a secret project going; just need a couple dubmythlits on Friday and a bunch more Muspelheims to feed for skillups, and then it's leveling while waiting patiently for a thing to return.

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #223 on:** January 28, 2015, 08:53:08 PM »

Quote from: Wardjeity of the Night, Tsukuyomi on January 28, 2015, 08:52:13 PM

D/D Zaerog used to cost 110! :V

And both fagan uvos, don't forget that :V

commandercool · « **Reply #224 on:** January 28, 2015, 09:57:52 PM »

Yeah, stacking 70 cost guys seems unlikely, but (as I just found out) ending up with a team of all 60s is very plausible. Loooot of descend bosses are up around there.

Suikama · « **Reply #225 on:** January 28, 2015, 09:59:49 PM »

HOKUTO

HYAKURETSU PULLS

Edible · « **Reply #226 on:** January 28, 2015, 10:14:22 PM »

YOU ARE ALREADY SILVER EGG

Thaws · « **Reply #227 on:** January 28, 2015, 11:25:15 PM »

Sonia Gran is 6mil exp table.
Which is not ridiculous when you consider the fact that she doesn't evolves. (Note, a normal 5mil table monster with evolution takes 5.88mil to max)

Active skill cd goes from 21->11, pretty reasonable?

I think there are leaks of the descend content already but I don't want to look at it so as to make watching the livestream more fun.

Edible · « **Reply #228 on:** January 28, 2015, 11:56:59 PM »

What time's the stream?

Chaore · « **Reply #229 on:** January 29, 2015, 12:05:02 AM »

Quote from: Thaws on January 28, 2015, 11:25:15 PM

Active skill cd goes from 21->11, pretty reasonable?

I mean.

Ten skill up levels for the HARDEST BOSS WE'VE EVER CREATED GUYS sounds on paper really really annoying, to be honest.

Thaws · « **Reply #230 on:** January 29, 2015, 12:13:21 AM »

Quote from: Chaore on January 29, 2015, 12:05:02 AM

I mean.

Ten skill up levels for the HARDEST BOSS WE'VE EVER CREATED GUYS sounds on paper really really annoying, to be honest.

If Don Dragons are any indication, there is the possibility SoniaGran gets separate skillups somewhere. Hopefully LIza gets one too, she's actually more annoying to skillup than DIza.

One more thing, you don't have to waste Tamadras on her because you can awaken her with dupes easily as no evolutions. (Does feeding her 9 dupes before uevo-ing works?)

I just realized her LS is weaker if you don't uevo her D: good thing I was planning to use her as sub mostly so I'd mainly just lose a SB and a little stats.

hyorinryu · « **Reply #231 on:** January 29, 2015, 12:14:31 AM »

Quote from: Chaore on January 29, 2015, 12:05:02 AM

I mean.

Ten skill up levels for the HARDEST BOSS WE'VE EVER CREATED GUYS sounds on paper really really annoying, to be honest.

I haven't even bothered with Wadastumi, and I'd use him way before I'd use Grand Sonia.

Yukarin · « **Reply #232 on:** January 29, 2015, 01:00:33 AM »

GHALEON

psst

READ YOUR PMS

commandercool · « **Reply #233 on:** January 29, 2015, 02:02:06 AM »

I just stupdily tried to do Wadatsumi with my Gabriel team. In retrospect I don't know what I was thinking, this could not have been a worse idea. My damage output is completely dependent on either rows or the ability to switch back and forth to Beyzul very frequently (and despite my considerable efforts he still has zero skillups). And I somehow won. It took well over an hour, with just about every move for the last two and a half floors being several minutes of planning, and on top of that I got very lucky. I got some skyfalls on both U&Y's last chunk of health and on Siren that let me get kills I probably shouldn't have gotten. That was painful, I am never doing that again. I shouldn't have done it once, but the game decided to reward my lack of foresight I guess.

Got my stone though guys. Got my stone. :V

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #234 on:** January 29, 2015, 02:24:11 AM »

Unevolved Grand Sonia:

On one hand, it's a rather cute touch that she has one of each type of egg on the art.

On the other hand, what the hell is she supposed to be sitting on?!

(And if pdx is to be believed, her LS stays the same pre uvo and post uvo, so she's still a good leader even if you don't want to spend 654981654954 points of stamina to throw the numbered dragons on her.)

Thaws · « **Reply #235 on:** January 29, 2015, 02:26:02 AM »

Quote from: Toyosatomimi No Sacchi on January 29, 2015, 02:24:11 AM

Unevolved Grand Sonia:

On one hand, it's a rather cute touch that she has one of each type of egg on the art.

On the other hand, what the hell is she supposed to be sitting on?!

(And if pdx is to be believed, her LS stays the same pre uvo and post uvo, so she's still a good leader even if you don't want to spend 654981654954 points of stamina to throw the numbered dragons on her.)

Unfortunately I looked at the LS carefully and her pre-uevo LS says increase a bit instead of 1.5x on atk/rcv of dragons.

commandercool · « **Reply #236 on:** January 29, 2015, 02:38:09 AM »

Quote from: Toyosatomimi No Sacchi on January 29, 2015, 02:24:11 AM

On the other hand, what the hell is she supposed to be sitting on?!

I don't think she's sitting on anything. If I'm seeing that correctly she's propping herself up on her tail and just kind of floating.

trancehime · « **Reply #237 on:** January 29, 2015, 03:46:19 AM »

My PAD companion pad.skyozora.com has some preliminary information on the new Sonia-Gran descend. Here is what's available on Sonia-Gran as a boss:

Passive - You literally cannot one-shot her when she's above 50%, she will survive with 1 HP and then use...
Dragon Dew - HP100% resurrection (used at 1% HP or less)
Light/Dark Resist - Cuts Light/Dark damage by 50%
"I've been expecting you, heroic one" - Pre-emptive status shield
Draggie's Dragon Enhance - Boosts damage by 250% (used at 50% HP or less)

ATTACK PATTERN
1. Draco-Summoning Circle: Corpse Wyrm - do nothing
2. Hell Poison Breath - Deals 10375 damages (25938) and creates 9 Poison orbs on the board
3. Draco-Summoning Circle: Star Dragon Emperor - do nothing
4. Divine Star - 5 Hits, dealing 25940 damages (64850)
5. Draco-Summoning Circle: Malevolent Dragon Lord - do nothing
6. Zero Blast - 100% Gravity (hope you have Dark resist)

She has 5.55~M HP

Suikama · « **Reply #238 on:** January 29, 2015, 03:57:36 AM »

Quote from: tranceHiME on January 29, 2015, 03:46:19 AM

My PAD companion pad.skyozora.com has some preliminary information on the new Sonia-Gran descend. Here is what's available on Sonia-Gran as a boss:

Passive - You literally cannot one-shot her when she's above 50%, she will survive with 1 HP and then use...
Dragon Dew - HP100% resurrection (used at 1% HP or less)
Light/Dark Resist - Cuts Light/Dark damage by 50%
"I've been expecting you, heroic one" - Pre-emptive status shield
Draggie's Dragon Enhance - Boosts damage by 250% (used at 50% HP or less)

ATTACK PATTERN
1. Draco-Summoning Circle: Corpse Wyrm - do nothing
2. Hell Poison Breath - Deals 10375 damages (25938) and creates 9 Poison orbs on the board
3. Draco-Summoning Circle: Star Dragon Emperor - do nothing
4. Divine Star - 5 Hits, dealing 25940 damages (64850)
5. Draco-Summoning Circle: Malevolent Dragon Lord - do nothing
6. Zero Blast - 100% Gravity (hope you have Dark resist)

She has 5.55~M HP

Wow uh this actually looks doable for Isis since she doesn't care about her passive or light/dark resist :V

Basically you have to deal half her HP in 4 turns, then use your burst to finish her off. Actually I have a lot more than that if I use Kushi to block the 26k hit and have grape dragon dark resist the gravity :V

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #239 on:** January 29, 2015, 03:58:15 AM »

So you need to bring her HP below 50% (2.25~mil damage) while preferably using RGB as your main damage tool, all the while eating poison orbs, 25k damage, and 100% gravities, before finally killing her off before she murders you?

I am going to guess that the x2.5 damage she gets when below 50% health also affects the Zaerog-summoned 100% gravity which means fuck.

Seems like Awoken Neptune/Ceres/Minerva are going to be good options to deal with her though, since they naturally resist the 25k damage hits, the 100% gravity and neptune even has nigh-immunity to poison, the problem will be bursting her down after you get her below 50% though, since I doubt even 75% damage reduction is going to help much with the 60k damage defour-summon.

Also, kind of bummed that she summons the zombie dragon, defour and zaerog, but not wangren, threedia and beyzul.

Although, come to think of it, if the zaerog-summoned 100% gravity is part of her normal spell rotation, doesn't that mean that, until she's below 50% health, it's counted as light damage? (Which means you need light resist, not dark resist, to survive it.)