Puzzle and Dragons 16 - YOLOSWAG xXx420xXwEeDxX carpe diem Edition

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Isis is the hipster coolkid meta

[Mr. Sacchi]

No love for Horus :fail:

[Suikama]

isis isn't the meta??? i thought i knew u man

meta is what lame people play because its 2ez modo _{like diddy kong in smash4}

isis is for cool kids only BV

[OverlordChirei]

meta is what lame people play because its 2ez modo

p much

[commandercool]

meta is what lame people play because its 2ez modo _{like diddy kong in smash4}

isis is for cool kids only BV

*Ahem*

Gabriel.

(Yes Gungho, keep buffing blue healers. More buffs...)

[Moogs Parfait]

I've realized the true benefit of never pulling in another godfest.  I don't have to collect evo mats.

Besides the red valks, I don't care too much about the rest of these doods

https://www.padherder.com/user/MoogsParfait/monsters/

[MatsuriSakuragi]

the meta is red sonia so youre good

okay real talk

I've been running Ronia a lot lately and like

she's really good but I don't see why she's seen as so supreme outside of that ridicuous RCV

Maybe I'm just too used to Athena but the damage is just so much lower in comparison

So my question is: How do you play Ronia? There has to be something I'm not understanding.

[Edible]

okay real talk

I've been running Ronia a lot lately and like

she's really good but I don't see why she's seen as so supreme outside of that ridicuous RCV

Maybe I'm just too used to Athena but the damage is just so much lower in comparison

So my question is: How do you play Ronia? There has to be something I'm not understanding.

Can you list your ronia team and your athena team, with levels?

[Jq1790]

okay real talk

I've been running Ronia a lot lately and like

she's really good but I don't see why she's seen as so supreme outside of that ridicuous RCV

Maybe I'm just too used to Athena but the damage is just so much lower in comparison

So my question is: How do you play Ronia? There has to be something I'm not understanding.

I think the idea is to stack either fire or dark rows, like a LOT, and then go to town.  Doing that, her crazy active skill delivers TONS of damage, and she can deal a lot even on off floors just by having six orbs of your chosen focus.  Plus, devils have lots of options for subs etc. if I'm not mistaken, so there're a lot of situations RSonia can be put into.  That monstrous RCV is a part of it, especially if one does the RSonia/Lu Bu thing for the extra HP.

I think the difference between the two is Athena is not really meant to take many hits due to her nonexistent RCV stat and no RCV multiplier on her LS.  RSonia, meanwhile, has pretty good HP with the right subs(she herself has a pretty high score for someone with ~1850 Atk) and her RCV boost being so high means she can recover it all really quickly outside of No-RCV dungeons(In which case you'll either use another team or use the extra skyfalls to generate more ammo that much faster I believe?)

I mean, I don't have her premium subs at all, but that'd be my guess.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

The levels on my Ronia are lower, sure (it's a work in progress), but it shouldn't have THAT much of a big difference:

Ronia team:
Ronia - Max
DMeta - Max
Lu Bu - 50
Haku - 60
Vampire - 49

Vampire will probably be replaced with Persephone at some point; DMeta replaced with D/R Luci (though I'm on the fence on that, DMeta's extra skill boost and damage reduction, as well as raw stats are great)

Athena Team:
Athena - Max
Verche - 68
Apollo - 79
Izanagi - Max
Odin - Max

The damage should be at least somewhat comparable since they both run at 9x atk (Ronia at 6combo is at least), but it's not. I know TPAs make a huge difference but I just don't get how people wreck shit with Ronia when I consistently fail to do so.

I think the difference between the two is Athena is not really meant to take many hits due to her nonexistent RCV stat and no RCV multiplier on her LS.  RSonia, meanwhile, has pretty good HP with the right subs(she herself has a pretty high score for someone with ~1850 Atk) and her RCV boost being so high means she can recover it all really quickly outside of No-RCV dungeons(In which case you'll either use another team or use the extra skyfalls to generate more ammo that much faster I believe?)

It's the opposite for me. Athena teams have low RCV by default, yes, but my setup has monstrous HP (over 31k with a +297 Athena friend) and the low RCV is supplemented by Odin.

Meanwhile, my Ronia team just can't take a goddamn hit. It can recover from near-death easily, but that means nothing when multiple things kill you at once because the damage just isn't fucking enough to take them out.

[Suikama]

The biggest source of damage is from her active, namely when you get a perfect active that lets you pull off 3 red or dark rows. The power you get from triple rows is just insane because not only do you get triple power from your awakenings, you also get "triple" power from that fact that you're matching three sets of red orbs.

Her RCV boost is one of the biggest in the game (more than Luci's like come on) giving her one of the best stalling potentials in the game. Combine that with all the skillboosts she has naturally and a 6 Ronia team is essentially a use actives to win team.

Also what makes her 'boring' is she pretty much ignores most factors of the game and simply turns it into a game of "can you find the three rows?" If you do you win. Her active completely removes the need to manage or store orbs for fights and her RCV boost removes the challenge of stalling. Basically you just need to memorize the chart of optimal Ronia layouts in case you can't make the full 3 rows.

[Thaws]

I know next to nothing about ronia teams but here's my speculations.

Athena's main damage output is herself, and you have her level maxed, so the team has good output.
Your Ronia chooses to focus on dark rather than red, so your maxed Ronia is not benefitting from the abundance of dark rows. Secondly, your best member -- DMeta, is not a devil so she doesn't even get any atk boost from Ronia nor Lu Bu. Basically you're relying on underlevelled stuff to deal damage so damage probably sucks.

[Chaore]

The levels on my Ronia are lower, sure (it's a work in progress), but it shouldn't have THAT much of a big difference:

Ronia team:
Ronia - Max
DMeta - Max
Lu Bu - 50
Haku - 60
Vampire - 49

Vampire will probably be replaced with Persephone at some point; DMeta replaced with D/R Luci (though I'm on the fence on that, DMeta's extra skill boost and damage reduction, as well as raw stats are great)

i mean

you're stacking dark rows and your highest level cards are either red or not an actual devil and receiving -absolutely no fucking boost by anything in this team besides raw rows-

in short only haku, lu bu, and vampire are doing actual weight lifting to their full capacity, and ronia is working very much at low capacity and dmeta is basically a giant deadweight offensively

vampire is also only around 1200 attack at that level, and haku and lu bu not being maxed cuts their damage a fair chunk as well

Athena Team:
Athena - Max
Verche - 68
Apollo - 79
Izanagi - Max
Odin - Max

comparitively all members on this team are god and receive full bonus, all are the same color, and most are supplemented fully by prongs

[Suikama]

Yea you should really use that DR Luci :V

Oh yeah if you're going Dark Ronia then I guess it's a bit less facemashy. It kind of depends on the dungeon but basically Ronia does benefit from shorter dungeons like descends where she just melts each boss with an active until nothing is left while Athena is better for farming stuff like alt dungeons.

With Ronia you basically just stall when you can until you have your actives, then pop active and make double or triple dark rows to kill things. Triple dark row + orb enhance + Lu Bu active will OHKO pretty much any final boss so they're essentially trivialized so you just need to figure out how to ration your other actives to clear the other floors. It helps if you know the range of how much damage you can deal with each active.

And also if everyone is higher leveled :V

[Edible]

Ah, found your problem.  Your Athena team's just much better than your Ronia team :V

Ronia's strength lies in having enough HP to stall against most things while also having insane RCV through her leader skill and the best single-active burst in the game through row damage.  If you run Ronia/DD Haku/Luci/Lu Bu/DMeta/Ronia, you'll have 9 dark rows to play with.  DMeta's not ideal but I agree that she's a cut above your other options at the moment (I'd use her over Persephone/Vamp despite not being a devil).

You'll have something like 18.7k HP when everyone's maxed out with no plus orbs with that team, which with judicious use of dmeta's shield means you can tank a lot of hits, especially considering it's trivial to get back to full health with the utterly absurd RCV you'll have.

That said, there's no reason not to keep both teams around.  Athena comp is going to wreck certain mythicals that Ronia can't sleep through, and vice versa.

Edit: Also, ronia active + lu bu active = nothing survives

[Chaore]

(DMeta's not ideal but I agree that she's a cut above your other options at the moment (I'd use her over Persephone/Vamp despite not being a devil).

i mean tbh i could legitimately make a case for hamahime over dmeta in a ronia team

i'm just saying

[Edible]

Eh...

Ronia does not need orb changers on a short cooldown, it isn't really how she operates (it's one reason I'm not overly fond of persephone or vamp on ronia, despite the former having insanely good RCV and the latter having a super short cooldown)

Maybe in a couple situations where you really desperately need a bunch of dark orbs on turn 1 or you're almost guaranteed a loss, like izanami mythical, but those are very rare indeed in my experience

But even then, with the above example, dmeta's skill is up on turn 1 thanks to skill boosts so you can survive the double ogre combo regardless and then you can finish killing them in the next two turns

[commandercool]

Finally saw a Pii. He didn't drop, but I was happy just to see one. I've done ~70 alt dungeons give or take ten, and this was in Talos' Abyss. I'm up to four +eggs in that many runs as well, two of them in the last five runs. Wish I had been keeping better records, but when I alt dungeon out of the house it's a hassle to constantly open a note app and write things down.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

The only real reason DMeta is there because she adds some much-needed bulk to the team, damage notwithstanding. She's up super fast and has saved my ass multiple times by just making sure I don't get killed by a single hit (which is pretty much fucking EVERYTHING outside of boring weak dungeons). Once I get everyone else up to speed, I'll put Luci in instead.

And Hamahime over her? Really? Let's not get carried away, here. Just because she's devil doesn't mean she'll be even remotely ideal because she takes away valid damage from Ronia herself.

[Thaws]

Well there is an ideal 5cd orb changer sub for Ronia and that's Awoken Minerva :v

I don't think you heard me on IRC but have you considered pairing up with uevo Beelzebub (2xHP, 2.5ATK), it seems to be a huge thing lately, and high plus value teams are crushing Legend+ with this combination.
You have your own Lu Bu anyways so this sounds more optimal than pairing up with a Lu Bu.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

I'm considering that, yes. Probably would work out for the best, really.

[Edible]

You could farm up a Hadar, too.  Dat HP.

[Jq1790]

You could farm up a Hadar, too.  Dat HP.

Thanks for reminding me I need to do that eventually myself.

[The Greatest Dog]

My "Ronia" team is super dark heavy with Beelzebub, Byakko, Gryps Rider, Persephone and Christmas Lilith. However, it still basically comes down to Dark -rows- because hell I have 4 already and could have 3 more if I used regular Lilith and my second Byakko.

In fact, I would probably be better off using regular Lilith for her dark row anyway because double TPA on 1400 attack is still only 2.25x on 1400 attack when I could be boosting Beelzebub's massive 2300 ( with sub attribute)+ attack by another 20%.

You have Lu Bu already right? So there you go just wreck face with that instead of Lilith.

and guess who happens to be working on an eventually skill max +297 Beelzebub

[Suikama]

hey chirei

[OverlordChirei]

hey chirei

I've actually been planning a less-overkill variation of this with R/G's, but I don't nearly have as many eggs to make it work for a while.

though it's only natural paprika would play with the best leader in the game

EDIT: Speaking of the best leader in the game!



Mephisto PROPERLY 0-stoned. This might even be farmable for Devil Fish.

[Suikama]

with those kinds of skyfalls though you might as well have just used anubis BV

[OverlordChirei]

with those kinds of skyfalls though you might as well have just used anubis BV

Ask people who go on the pad IRC. I've been practicing. I really need to pull him myself, though.

[Chaore]

And Hamahime over her? Really?

hamahime new meta

you heard it here folks

(no not really, that's kind of apparent from the post itself :T)

[Edible]

Look man

I see hamahime in the strangest places