Author Topic: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!  (Read 239761 times)

ZM

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #780 on: February 21, 2016, 01:52:30 AM »


I might as well be addicted to UFO. Third UFO LNB, and this is my best one yet. Five lives remaining, 23/26 spells captured. Only missed Greatest Treasure, Radiant Treasure Gun (died when about to capture ;/), and Good Omen.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #781 on: February 21, 2016, 08:11:10 PM »
Woo, MoF extra clear!  :D (believe it or not, this is my first extra clear)

I also totally failed 'snake eats the croaking frog' (I lost 2 lives) had a mini-seizure partway through 'mishaguji-sama'.

(I might even upload a video, who knows)
« Last Edit: February 21, 2016, 08:13:17 PM by Lollipop »
Touhou 1CCS:
Hard: LLS, EoSD(NB), PCB(NB), IN, MoF, TD, DDC(NB), LoLK
Lunatic: EoSD, PCB, DDC, LoLK
Extra: LLS, EoSD, PCB(Extra&Phantasm), IN, MoF, SA, DDC, LoLK
Current Focus: 1cc SA Hard, or an Extra

Zigzagwolf

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #782 on: February 21, 2016, 11:31:09 PM »
Kind of was working on Mystic Square Hard scoring (still am.) but then I got annoyed from silly derps the entire time; did the Extra stage at times. Kind of improved score from 1MNB which was 118m to 128, after 137 and then suddenly the 165m I have now. It was quite surprising how frustration can lead to different results when you try something different, this can probably be improved for a bit; I'll give it a look later. For now I think this is satisfactory; I should just focus on Hard MS now.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #783 on: February 22, 2016, 09:06:28 PM »
1cc'd MoF Hard with ReimuB last night. Did it again today to check if it was just dumb luck. Captured VoWG both times too :D. Cleared SA Extra with all Marisa shot types and I never ever want to use them again. Ever.

Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #784 on: February 22, 2016, 11:03:54 PM »
My accomplishments was.... nothing :( I still suck at bullet hell games and still trying lol. Closest game to 1cc normal for me is touhou 8 and 13 and those are some of the easiest games in the series which I still fail to 1cc it.

Well everyone gotta start somewhere.

Monarda

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #785 on: February 22, 2016, 11:46:09 PM »
My accomplishments was.... nothing :( I still suck at bullet hell games and still trying lol. Closest game to 1cc normal for me is touhou 8 and 13 and those are some of the easiest games in the series which I still fail to 1cc it.

Well everyone gotta start somewhere.
Don't give up ! Everyone starts like this, after all it all about self-improvement, at first i struggled with Stage 4 EoSD, now i have 1cc normal Reimu A and B accomplished and reached as far as the last spellcard in the Extra Stage Boss Flandre, just stay determined and watch some replays from people that know what they are doing, it's completely ok to use other's strats as a basis for yours.
Sorry for long post, just wanted to help out.

Karisa

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #786 on: February 23, 2016, 09:45:27 AM »
I might as well be addicted to UFO. Third UFO LNB, and this is my best one yet. Five lives remaining, 23/26 spells captured. Only missed Greatest Treasure, Radiant Treasure Gun (died when about to capture ;/), and Good Omen.
Only 3 deaths? You could probably get LNBNUFO, then. Keep it up!

Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #787 on: February 23, 2016, 12:54:04 PM »
Don't give up ! Everyone starts like this, after all it all about self-improvement, at first i struggled with Stage 4 EoSD, now i have 1cc normal Reimu A and B accomplished and reached as far as the last spellcard in the Extra Stage Boss Flandre, just stay determined and watch some replays from people that know what they are doing, it's completely ok to use other's strats as a basis for yours.
Sorry for long post, just wanted to help out.

Thanks for the encouragement! :D

Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #788 on: February 23, 2016, 01:16:06 PM »
I had a 5 hour Touhou-only marathon recently.
During that one day, I beat EoSD Extra, TD Extra, MoF Extra, PCB Phantasm and got really close at UFO Extra.
And I give all the credit to the VPatch. How could I possibly have lived without it before?!
Lunatic 1CCs: PCB, IN, PoFV, HSiFS
Extra: All except PC-98.

Oh hey look I can do DNH scrips.

ZM

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #789 on: February 25, 2016, 05:56:04 PM »
Only 3 deaths? You could probably get LNBNUFO, then. Keep it up!

Well I mean, I died in some parts of the stage portions...but yeah, I could definitely go for LNBNV. Thanks!

EDIT:




smh...
SanaeB LNB, though I'm not proud of it, so it'll be improved: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=39649
« Last Edit: February 26, 2016, 12:14:39 AM by ZM »

Mr Jovial

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #790 on: February 27, 2016, 03:12:16 PM »
TD perfect Stage 5 and Stage 6 with Marisa today. Gonna go for a LNNN with Marisa for a slightly harder experience. Just doing these for preparation/practice. Glad to get them done in ~7 hours, still remember stuff from the runs I did with Reimu years ago.

Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #791 on: February 27, 2016, 04:13:45 PM »
TD perfect Stage 5 and Stage 6 with Marisa today. Gonna go for a LNNN with Marisa for a slightly harder experience. Just doing these for preparation/practice. Glad to get them done in ~7 hours, still remember stuff from the runs I did with Reimu years ago.

Question: what does LNNN stand for? I'm seeing that abbreviation more often on here and I don't know what it stands for-- I'm used to seeing LNMNB or something like that.

Zigzagwolf

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #792 on: February 27, 2016, 04:45:45 PM »
Question: what does LNNN stand for? I'm seeing that abbreviation more often on here and I don't know what it stands for-- I'm used to seeing LNMNB or something like that.
LNNN is an abbreviation that can be cut into parts, the "L" stands for "Lunatic" every N indicates "No" to a specific thing, this would go in this order: "No miss" then "No Bombs" and last but not least, a specific third challenge. in Jovial's case this would be "No trance" thus, the abbreviation here would mean: "Lunatic No Miss No Bombs No Trance", LNNN for short!

It must be noted, but usually LNN is used because most games do not have a third challenge, the ones with one are PCB, UFO and TD as far as I'm concerned. with PCB being No Border Breaks, UFO being No UFO summons; TD being No Trance.
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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #793 on: February 27, 2016, 04:57:34 PM »
LNNN is an abbreviation that can be cut into parts, the "L" stands for "Lunatic" every N indicates "No" to a specific thing, this would go in this order: "No miss" then "No Bombs" and last but not least, a specific third challenge. in Jovial's case this would be "No trance" thus, the abbreviation here would mean: "Lunatic No Miss No Bombs No Trance", LNNN for short!

It must be noted, but usually LNN is used because most games do not have a third challenge, the ones with one are PCB, UFO and TD as far as I'm concerned. with PCB being No Border Breaks, UFO being No UFO summons; TD being No Trance.

Ah, okay, so instead of writing LNMNBNBB or something, it's just shortened LNNN? That makes sense, thanks!

MrDoomBringer

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #794 on: February 28, 2016, 12:05:07 PM »
Yes! I have finally done it! My first Hard difficulty 1cc ever! It's been almost 2 months since my first Normal difficulty 1cc but I think it's not too bad, considering my lack of free time.

Done with Marisa B in EoSD:
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=39671

There are some mistakes, but I am really proud of this run!

Also, I managed to do it just a few minutes before the start of today's ski jumping competition, so I can watch it with a good feeling  :D

Cream Soda

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #795 on: February 28, 2016, 04:40:06 PM »
Personally, I don't understand the LNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN fetishism when there are magnificent score runs that are far more interesting and difficult. Maybe it's that you have to actually read to understand scoring, whereas any kid can understand the simple binary of passing/failing.

Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #796 on: February 28, 2016, 05:27:04 PM »
These challenges are kinda supposed to be practice for score runs (it's going to be a bit demotivating to play for score if you just keep dying/bombing to regular stuff). But people in the west do them and then... just quit Touhou. It's like spending months perfecting combos in a fighting game only to never actually play it against someone.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2016, 05:36:44 PM by Romantique Tp »

ふねん1

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #797 on: February 28, 2016, 05:51:00 PM »
Personally, I don't understand the LNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN fetishism when there are magnificent score runs that are far more interesting and difficult. Maybe it's that you have to actually read to understand scoring, whereas any kid can understand the simple binary of passing/failing.
Because survival runs are their own separate challenge that often require some different approaches than what you'd do in a scoring run? Never mind that we're delving into really subjective territory by saying one or the other is "more interesting".
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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #798 on: February 29, 2016, 04:06:15 AM »
E: Ironic shitposting is still shitposting
« Last Edit: February 29, 2016, 04:12:08 AM by GMK »

Things I've done (and maybe will improve):
SA L6MNB | SA Lunatic 3b Scorerun | MoF LNB | PCB LNB |DDC LNB

Cream Soda

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #799 on: February 29, 2016, 02:49:11 PM »
These challenges are kinda supposed to be practice for score runs (it's going to be a bit demotivating to play for score if you just keep dying/bombing to regular stuff). But people in the west do them and then... just quit Touhou. It's like spending months perfecting combos in a fighting game only to never actually play it against someone.
It's the other way around. Survival runs are the combos and score runs are the competition.
Because survival runs are their own separate challenge that often require some different approaches than what you'd do in a scoring run? Never mind that we're delving into really subjective territory by saying one or the other is "more interesting".
Score strategies build on survival strategies and are usually much more difficult to execute. I frown upon the common forumgoer's delusion that survival play is the ultimate display of mastery.

Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #800 on: February 29, 2016, 03:18:54 PM »
I did it! I..... I just 1cc IN normal lol. Not much of an accomplishment but this is my first time getting a good ending in any touhou games. :getdown:

ふねん1

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #801 on: February 29, 2016, 03:59:59 PM »
Score strategies build on survival strategies and are usually much more difficult to execute. I frown upon the common forumgoer's delusion that survival play is the ultimate display of mastery.
I never said anything about relative difficulty, because I think it's a given that scoring is harder than survival. I was only speaking out against you presenting your preference towards scoring as a standard that everyone has to follow and agree with, which was the overall tone your post had. People are free to play however they want, for whatever reasons they want, so why get all worked up over it?
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Mino ☆

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #802 on: February 29, 2016, 04:59:14 PM »
Good job on the achievements guys~
« Last Edit: February 29, 2016, 05:02:35 PM by Mino ☆ »

ZM

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #803 on: February 29, 2016, 05:03:11 PM »
Score strategies build on survival strategies and are usually much more difficult to execute. I frown upon the common forumgoer's delusion that survival play is the ultimate display of mastery.

Except no one claimed that survival play is the ultimate display of mastery in this thread.
« Last Edit: February 29, 2016, 05:07:41 PM by ZM »

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #804 on: February 29, 2016, 05:12:01 PM »

Please please please do not start with the Survival v. Scoring debate, which is just as shit-stirring and pointless as Touhou v. Cave or Shooters v. Fighters.

You're entitled to think one is better than the other; it's bad form to try and make an argument about it.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #805 on: February 29, 2016, 05:21:20 PM »
It's not a debate because it's not debatable. It's the way shooters have been since 1978.

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Re: Touhou Accomplishment Thread 22: Impossible Spell Cards are No Match For Us!
« Reply #806 on: February 29, 2016, 05:32:38 PM »
I frown upon the common forumgoer's delusion that survival play is the ultimate display of mastery.

And I frown upon shitposts.  Cool it.

Zigzagwolf

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It's not a debate because it's not debatable. It's the way shooters have been since 1978.
Although I solely agree with you on scoreplay being harder overall, I still want to note nobody claimed survival play as better or harder than score play. Both have their difficulties.

As for what you said based on how score plays are build of survival plays with adaptions for scoring, this still greatly differs per game in which you want to use up more resources in one than in the other. Although I do agree that you want to survival consistently with those resources; use them in an exact route, it must be noted that the approach, even if using a survival route, generally tends to still differ. Must be noted that some things are a bit easier to score than to survive as well (I found LLS EX to be easier to score in than to aim for NMNB personally, to give an example.)

As for how survival play tends to be more dominant than score play (which seems like it if I look at the majority of the achievements here; what people tend to aim for in general in other places as well.) I think it generally comes forth from the general idea that survival runs are a bit more simplistic to execute overall (think standard 1ccs here for more simplistic; know that certain survival challenges can at times be harder than scoring in certain games and difficulties in those) as well as that scoring approaches generally aren't known, as far as I know people at some point, if they continue to play, will put some interest in the scoring aspect as well. By for example looking at scoring runs; trying to adapt certain strategies for example.

Mainly saying that scoring usually takes place after a while when the player in question feels confident with the idea of trying it out; thus leading to survival play being more dominant in terms of how runs tend to go, I don't see why this really has to matter either, personally I am fine with people aiming for what they want, whenever they want. As long as they put in their effort, needs to be noted but this thread is also not either survival or score restricted, so people will post about both kinds of achievements.

Also in case I get a reply, if it's gonna be a shitpost I guess that I will not reply.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2016, 08:41:15 AM by Zigzagwolf »
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To say it a bit shorter, I think survival challenges are more popular because it's an extension of 1ccs-- that is, limiting dying/bombing, but beyond what's needed to clear. Meanwhile, scoring requires looking at the game in a different mindset, more about optimization rather than capturing or not. Survival techniques also tend to carry over between games, while scoring techniques tend to be more specific to each game.

Anyway, while I do like to promote scoring myself, that's no excuse to dismiss others' survival goals and accomplishments.

Edit: And I do not condone the below post at all.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2016, 05:31:47 PM by Karisa »

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I pretty much totally agree with Karisa. I'm glad to have section mods who know what they're talking about and play the games, it relieves the admins of the liability to play Touhou and gain an understanding of the game themselves. That way they can spend their precious free time moderating more active and aggressive forum sections while we quietly devote ourselves to our art. It makes for a friendly, informative, open forum culture where people feel comfortable to converse. :)

What a coincidence! We too aim for an open forum culture with the comfort of conversing. Except unfunny people, elitism and shitposting disrupts this goal. Including your current post. Please consider this during your time out. --Helepolis
« Last Edit: March 02, 2016, 05:13:43 PM by Helepolis »