Puzzle & Dragons 5 - So I heard you like fruity dragons

[Chaore]

welcome to the best leader in the game^tm*

*along with kirin and dark metatron

Yeah I may have to consider putting together a solid Horus team now. Especially now that I actually looked at the egyptian ultis and seen light horus is actually fucking ridiculous.

Like. Levels of 'lets fucking do athena son' ridiculous. (I'd do athena ifykwim etc.)

Really theres kind of a lot to say about the egyptian ultis (they're op pieces of shit basically, regulating other gods to subs by default- until the chinese gods get ultis get hyped and stomped on scrublord egyptians) but i've been up about 36 hours or so.

UY is same tier as Kirin.

eh he's viable, stretch to say he's as great though

[Shizumarashi Mayuzumi]

Nebradiiiiiiiiiiiiisk you are mine you are my first biweekly dragon

[Edible]

Nebradiiiiiiiiiiiiisk you are mine you are my first biweekly dragon

o/

It's Emergency Odin!

[Chaore]

Nebradiiiiiiiiiiiiisk you are mine you are my first biweekly dragon

Yayyy I need to work on getting him :v (I forgot siren on my attempt a bit ago)

[Shizumarashi Mayuzumi]

\o/

It's Emergency Odin!

Yep!

I probably even could have done Legend but I fucked up and 5-matched and turned on the Werewolves wave 1. :V Got lucky with the Master drop this morning though.

Fuck it maybe I'll even try farming Nebradisks some this week, get the awakenings and hopefully some skillups. (Also work in Expert at some point because I'll need it for the stone.)

[Suikama]

o/

It's Emergency Odin!

Better than Odin if it weren't for the zero RCV :V

[Chaore]

Better than Odin if it weren't for the zero RCV :V

And the shittonne less HP to absorb hits with, along with the 5% less absorbed damage.

But hey Swapping!!!!!!

Edit: Oh also worse awakenings.

Edit Edit: And hey there's that pretty nice nuke Odin has, that comes in handy too! Shame you switched that with Swapping!!!!!

[Suikama]

Except with Odin you're stuck with a stall team that can't even survive against any multi hitters, while with Nebra you can run burst damage, then stall with Nebra until Echidna comes up again and then burst some more

Unless you mean Odin as a sub which is eh, he's a nice stat+awakening stick but his active is really meh for burst teams especially with that cooldown (as long as a slime's)

[Edible]

Nebradisk in a spike team makes twinlits doable.  Murder devilit, swap nebradisk to leader, charge up skills while angelit flails uselessly against you, swap back, murder angelit.

[Chaore]

Except with Odin you're stuck with a stall team that can't even survive against any multi hitters, while with Nebra you can run burst damage, then stall with Nebra until Echidna comes up again and then burst some more

Unless you mean Odin as a sub which is eh, he's a nice stat+awakening stick but his active is really meh for burst teams especially with that cooldown (as long as a slime's)

well you're still fucked against multi hits so if you need to survive a multihit nebra isn't saving you, oh and you have no auto-heal  since you're actually a burst team so you're susceptible. VERY susceptible to heart screwing and if it's more than a light tap and your 0 rcv piece of shit holds you back from getting to full g fucking g

and that's going to happen because you have to wait 25 turns to switch, unless you skill him up in which case why are you wasting so much time on a shitty alternative to odin that's pretty situational

that 25 turns also makes him useless as an emergency option, you need to specifically plan this shit out

Like if you need to survive something hard just kill it before it hits you like a burst team should, don't try and be fancy with nebra it's not a good idea

he's useless and any situation you really need him you should probably just use odin as a leader

Nebradisk in a spike team makes twinlits doable.  Murder devilit, swap nebradisk to leader, charge up skills while angelit flails uselessly against you, swap back, murder angelit.

alternatively, take orochi instead, and kill devilit in orochi's timestop and then kill angelit using echi

waste a lot less time (by the way what skills do we need to kill angelit that nebra will allow us? gravity hits both (and is also in your dark slot that your lovely piece of shit is taking up now) and you don't really need double gravity, you just need to keep him from hitting you which surprise just having a second menace works)

like

why bother with nebra at all there??? He offers nothing and has straight up poor stats and is a colossal waste of time

[Edible]

that 25 turns also makes him useless as an emergency option, you need to specifically plan this shit out

I take it you aren't familiar with burst teams?  They all require planning for skill charging and usage for any stage that isn't relatively trivial anyway.

alternatively, take orochi instead, and kill devilit in orochi's timestop and then kill angelit using echi

Can't double-delay an enemy, the one you don't kill in your first attack will kill you.  Also, nebradisk is farmable and orochi is not.

[Suikama]

well you're still fucked against multi hits so if you need to survive a multihit nebra isn't saving you, oh and you have no auto-heal  since you're actually a burst team so you're susceptible. VERY susceptible to heart screwing and if it's more than a light tap and your 0 rcv piece of shit holds you back from getting to full g fucking g

and that's going to happen because you have to wait 25 turns to switch, unless you skill him up in which case why are you wasting so much time on a shitty alternative to odin that's pretty situational

that 25 turns also makes him useless as an emergency option, you need to specifically plan this shit out

Like if you need to survive something hard just kill it before it hits you like a burst team should, don't try and be fancy with nebra it's not a good idea

he's useless and any situation you really need him you should probably just use odin as a leader

alternatively, take orochi instead, and kill devilit in orochi's timestop and then kill angelit using echi

waste a lot less time (by the way what skills do we need to kill angelit that nebra will allow us? gravity hits both (and is also in your dark slot that your lovely piece of shit is taking up now) and you don't really need double gravity, you just need to keep him from hitting you which surprise just having a second menace works)

like

why bother with nebra at all there??? He offers nothing and has straight up poor stats and is a colossal waste of time

yes im just gonna pull an orochi out my ass yay look an orochi

same goes for odin


man i wish i could farm bodin >_>

[hyorinryu]

man i wish i could farm bodin >_>

Don't we all? My team has 18k health when I use him with I&I.

[Shizumarashi Mayuzumi]

I don't even actually care whether or not Nebradisk is any good.

It's the first biweekly dragon I feel like I can farm.

I'm gonna climb the shit out of these blo--- I'M GONNA FARM THE SHIT OUT OF THESE DRAGONS :getdown:

[Chaore]

I take it you aren't familiar with burst teams?  They all require planning for skill charging and usage for any stage that isn't relatively trivial anyway.

it's almost like i was speaking of an emergency option for unplanned situations or something and your point is literally moot

the cooldowns still terrible because it's way too long to be in an adhoc odin wannabee team that's super susceptible to heart screwing (though you can prolly pop ecchi-samas while in)

Can't double-delay an enemy, the one you don't kill in your first attack will kill you.  Also, nebradisk is farmable and orochi is not.

if we need farmable options i'd honestly say double gravity via hera-is/hera and then try to kill both in echi cooldown then using nebra, hera has better stats which will help and gravity is way stronger than swapping!!! will ever be (a glance at youtube suggests a lot of people run single delay for twinlits via trying to kill both before they angrilit so that's probably better than stalling for a second ecchi-sama? it's all japanese to me ;w;)

you don't need to double delay, angrilit doesn't do damage and assuming you kill devilit angelit's turn will be spent doing that, and then you can pop echidna (PDX has a damage value to inform you of how much Angelit will be doing after that, the buff itself doesn't do damage)

yes im just gonna pull an orochi out my ass yay look an orochi

same goes for odin

hopefully you can when orochi gets a skill up mon in the total soon future

loldin you can get through friends if you need his leader (if you need a sub uhm well, You can use Valk for a good green/light? ;w;)

like yeah it sucks but a lot of good useful things are rem  sorry to bring that up

I don't even actually care whether or not Nebradisk is any good.

It's the first biweekly dragon I feel like I can farm.

I'm gonna climb the shit out of these blo--- I'M GONNA FARM THE SHIT OUT OF THESE DRAGONS :getdown:

Atta girl. That's what trophy dragons are really for anyway B)

[Edible]

it's almost like i was speaking of an emergency option for unplanned situations or something and your point is literally moot

Again, you're not speaking from a position of experience here and it's kinda showing <_<

If you're in an unplanned situation in any descend where it matters, your only emergency option with a burst team is usually a stone.

The simple fact of the matter is that a Nebradisk on the team offers options a burst team otherwise does not have.  It is certainly not always (or even usually) optimal, but it has a use and can be relatively easily obtained to boot.  Dismissing any option out of hand in a game like this is unwise.

[Suikama]

hopefully you can when orochi gets a skill up mon in the total soon future

i'm pretty sure it was confirmed

watch it be an invade only + needs evo monster though, like the chinese girls' skill up (yeppp)


also edible for twinlits double delay is fine because you get a free turn when they use ANGRILIT


bleh, the super physical combo Isis team has just awful recovery without BOdin. Even with him you only just hit like 200 RCV. Also it has no delays for stalling/healing back up. At least the team has over 20k HP and only needs 15 or less turns to unleash it's burst.

stupid Bubblie and it's godawful stats. If I just say fuck the slime and replace it with Ecchi then I'll have a Kirin-like team with much more well rounded stats.... and a much smaller burst

meh at least i get both options


...actually the rcv will be fine if i can farm up +99 RCV eggs for everyone :V

[Edible]

also edible for twinlits double delay is fine because you get a free turn when they use ANGRILIT

Handy!

But still not necessarily useful if your damage output is dependent on a king shynee, for instance, which is why a nebradisk for recharging skills would be useful! \o/

[Suikama]

ugh so I'm looking at optimal burst builds

AND ALL OF THEM INVOLVE A MAX SKILLED HERA-IS

i mean i gueeesss im at the point that i can easily farm Hera, and unlike Ecchi her dungeon is guaranteed drop...

but 15 levels pls ;-;


cant i just have a yomi instead ;-;

[Chaore]

Again, you're not speaking from a position of experience here and it's kinda showing <_<

,/eyeflutter

Please dismiss me more edible-senpai, it's not annoying and frankly flat out rude especially when you're not really addressing my argument well at all and dodging around the parts where i'm right.

If you're in an unplanned situation in any descend where it matters, your only emergency option with a burst team is usually a stone.

Edible honey you were the one who called him 'Emergency Odin' which is why I even addressed him as an emergency option.

Perhaps you did not mean in a burst team! I assumed so because switching to a different stall leader in a stall team seems very weird, so I addressed why no he doesn't work as an emergency option.

In short, if you're assuming any inexperience because I addressed him as an emergency option- The concept he was an emergency option was brought up by yourself, so I don't think it's inexperience talking since you've got some burst team experience under your belt.

The simple fact of the matter is that a Nebradisk on the team offers options a burst team otherwise does not have.  It is certainly not always (or even usually) optimal, but it has a use and can be relatively easily obtained to boot.  Dismissing any option out of hand in a game like this is unwise.

Edible.

This is literally the game that has choked out former leader options via making a complete new meta where burst is the word.

No not really.

Handy!

But still not necessarily useful if your damage output is dependent on a king shynee, for instance, which is why a nebradisk for recharging skills would be useful! \o/

Wow! I completely said this and you completely ignored that to be dismissive, rude, and undermine my knowledge of a subject by making blatantly false claims!

You're sure as hell being a complete asswipe as well as wrong today edible!

P.S. Now this is a new situation you could've brought up and elaborated instead of being a dismissive asshat!

Healer teams are weird burst teams and could make Nebra work, because they have disgusting RCV and can run siren.

it doesn't work anyway because you cut two slots of damage to make this shit work and you end up not outputting enough to actually be a burst team anymore and for harder descends yeah that's gonna screw you.

Don't do it. Also don't try to run it without siren because Nebra is a sub-par stall because he dies in two hits period if you're out of hearts you've basically fucked yourself and hey I have experience with stall so let me tell you -that fucking happens-. And I have experience with long cooldowns because I run luci so let me tell you THAT IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN OVER A LONG COOLDOWN AND SIRENS GONNA BE 'NAH I'M ON COOLDOWN BRO'.

So uh, No I hate to break your dreams Nebra isn't going to be very useful for getting King Shynee up. You're probably better off trying to maximize damage with the one shot of him you -do- have edible.

You're free to try it, but you're likely going to stone and honestly might get screwed if you can't get enough out of your two shynee shots.

Like, Especially if you're wanting to try it for twinlits- Fairlion would be a better slot in because hes on color and an orb changer to set up mass attacks, and just add venus.

[Suikama]

i dont see why youre always so quick to dismiss other people as 'asswipes' when you're most often the most abrasive person in this thread

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Oh my fucking god, will all of you cut it out? This is pointless and unproductive.

It's done. No more of this shit.

[Shizumarashi Mayuzumi]

Let's all go watch speedruns! o/

[Suikama]

im sorry mats ill go back to failing at farming saphlits

why wont they drop this is a 3 stam dungeon and yet ive spent so much

[MatsuriSakuragi]

For the same reason I haven't been able to get violet demon masks to evolve my Vampire. Stupid rare drops

[Edible]

Please dismiss me more edible-senpai, it's not annoying and frankly flat out rude especially when you're not really addressing my argument well at all and dodging around the parts where i'm right.

My apologies.  I feel I am addressing the core elements of points you may be trying to make, namely the dismissal of nebradisk as an option as he is an inferior choice to other critters.

Edible honey you were the one who called him 'Emergency Odin' which is why I even addressed him as an emergency option.

'Emergency Odin' can be taken three ways, I suppose.  The first would be as a ghetto odin substitute, good for sleeping through normal dungeons.  The second would be as I described him above.  The third would be what I believe was your intended use, as an emergency option for unplanned situations, which we've addressed.  I meant the first two and you meant the third, which is where our disagreement lies.

Healer teams are weird burst teams and could make Nebra work, because they have disgusting RCV and can run siren.

it doesn't work anyway because you cut two slots of damage to make this shit work and you end up not outputting enough to actually be a burst team anymore and for harder descends yeah that's gonna screw you.

Don't do it. Also don't try to run it without siren because Nebra is a sub-par stall because he dies in two hits period if you're out of hearts you've basically fucked yourself and hey I have experience with stall so let me tell you -that fucking happens-. And I have experience with long cooldowns because I run luci so let me tell you THAT IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN OVER A LONG COOLDOWN AND SIRENS GONNA BE 'NAH I'M ON COOLDOWN BRO'.

Angelit converts random orbs to hearts when it attacks, every turn, unless it's below 20% HP (at which point it murders you), meaning Siren is not necessary to bring along.  Healing in this situation becomes trivial, which is one of the reasons why a nebradisk works well here.

I apologize if I have come across as rude; we appear to have had differing interpretations of the actual subject matter being discussed.  I hope we can move on without continuing further non-game-related remarks.

[Suikama]

i thought ice maze was supposed to have the best water pengdra drop rate

but then i did twilight woods and got 5 blue pengdra in a row!?


and again, 4 pengdra in a row, and once more 4 pengdra

i have been living a lie this whole time


>trying to get a mid mask

[STAMINA WASTING INTENSIFIES]

[Edible]

I dumped about 70 stamina trying to get a red demon mask today, what fun :v

[Suikama]

i thought there had to be at least one other dungeon with mid masks since final masks and dublits are in both technicals

BUT NOPE! wednesday or tier 3's only :/

[triangles]

SO HOW ABOUT THEM FLAME MECHDRAGON SUZAKU SKILLUP MONSTERS
I somehow think this is a task not worth starting given the drop:stamina rate and then I see that Metatron get skill ups in a similar fashion and I kinda want those, since I'm thinking of giving her two tamadra + my 2nd Meta = bind resist/recovery funtimes but but that drop rate on top of skill up hell

I dumped about 70 stamina trying to get a red demon mask today, what fun :v

Did you ever get it?  (I hope I wasn't wrong on the dungeon it'd be in)
Or just roll the friendegg machine 20 times :V :V :V