Author Topic: [WC3 - DotS] General discussion thread I (Read 566635 times)

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #360 on:** January 12, 2011, 10:40:30 PM »

HOMING IKU BOLT ACTION

Hakurei
Loolicon (Remilia)
Infinity (Youmu)
DollS (Utsuho)
Hero (Nitori)

Moriya
Stuffman (Yuuka)
Rizock (Kaguya)
Choja (Hina)
Dormio (Iku)

Pesco · « **Reply #361 on:** January 13, 2011, 12:09:16 AM »

Just a 3v3 but some pro tosses at 50 minutes by the top Moriya creep spawn and one at the end.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #362 on:** January 13, 2011, 12:12:38 AM »

Quote from: Inaba Tewi on January 13, 2011, 12:09:16 AM

one at the end.

Best toss.

trancehime · « **Reply #363 on:** January 13, 2011, 12:21:21 AM »

Quote from: Helepolis on January 12, 2011, 06:17:57 PM

Meiling's passive

flowing chi

Meiling gains a natural 3.00 HP/sec regen and a 0.20 Mana/sec regen.
Every time Meiling uses any of her skills, the HP and Mana regeneration is amplified by 150% for 4 seconds.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #364 on:** January 13, 2011, 12:23:50 AM »

Free bun, what?

Helepolis · « **Reply #365 on:** January 13, 2011, 07:21:48 PM »

First post is cleaned up and our thread is now linked at the wikipedia. Since we dropped hamachi, there is no use for it anymore in the first post.

Kerigis · « **Reply #366 on:** January 13, 2011, 11:28:31 PM »

HERE COMES A NEW CHALLENGER!!

People from Touhou no Sekai (Latin American Touhou Community) have been brought, with the permission of TSO and the people around here to play.

Also, in this replay, Durrmio
And Trashtalkin'
Lots of Trashtalkin'

Pesco · « **Reply #367 on:** January 13, 2011, 11:30:25 PM »

The game with the best chat log ever. You won't be disappointed :V.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #368 on:** January 13, 2011, 11:37:10 PM »

Quote from: Kerigis on January 13, 2011, 11:28:31 PM

Also, in this replay, Durrmio

:V

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #369 on:** January 14, 2011, 12:56:06 AM »

orz i feel like im missing out here

Helepolis · « **Reply #370 on:** January 14, 2011, 05:38:52 AM »

Quote from: Dormio on January 12, 2011, 10:40:30 PM

HOMING IKU BOLT ACTION

Homing bolt action after 37min ingame time. Fast forward it >=)

This is seriously going in one of my promo movies.

Quote from: Dr Rawr on January 14, 2011, 12:56:06 AM

orz i feel like im missing out here

You kind of are. We are having quite a lot of 4vs4s lately. Which is only good.

trancehime · « **Reply #371 on:** January 14, 2011, 05:59:33 AM »

Quote from: Dr Rawr on January 14, 2011, 12:56:06 AM

orz i feel like im missing out here

You aren't the only one

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #372 on:** January 16, 2011, 12:54:43 AM »

Just a random 3v3 we did.
Dular and his superior boat action claim MVP.

Hakurei
Infinity (Reimu)
DollS (Yuugi)
Dular (Murasa)

Hakurei
Dormio (Mokou)
Hero (Eirin)
Panda (Wriggle)

ruikomatsu · « **Reply #373 on:** January 16, 2011, 08:51:18 AM »

So much lawl in the mid game.

Miracle Hook. Eirin got hook'd pretty bad. :V

Fakinha · « **Reply #374 on:** January 16, 2011, 02:08:50 PM »

I'll throw a question in the air, not necessarily a discussion but, what do you guys think about the backdoor isue?

ruikomatsu · « **Reply #375 on:** January 16, 2011, 02:15:14 PM »

Quote from: Fakinha on January 16, 2011, 02:08:50 PM

I'll throw a question in the air, not necessarily a discussion but, what do you guys think about the backdoor isue?

Just. no. D:

I'm also a DotA player and it kinda pisses me off when someone does this in the late game. (especially when I'm trying my best defending the base with all my might and stuff.)
:derp:

Prody · « **Reply #376 on:** January 16, 2011, 02:24:05 PM »

Don't really want to start a DotA discussion, but I feel the need to give my opinion. Backdoor may be taboo, but it is a pretty useful winning technique. It is even allowed in the rules (except for teleporting backdoor). It is capable of turning the tables of any match, which is probably why it has hate.

Helepolis · « **Reply #377 on:** January 16, 2011, 03:09:45 PM »

We had this discussion a lot of on IRC and opinions differ.

Generally speaking about backdooring in strategy games. It is (no doubt) a very effective method to either mess up the enemy in various ways. It can turn the ties around if you execute it proper, how ever in dots we have seen it fail as well. But that totally depends on the game itself. I have used backdooring in Age of Empires 1 as well. By cutting away trees in the back of the enemy base, I could invade their villagers and houses. In Age of empires death match, losing houses/villagers equals almost to losing the game and leads 90% of the cases to instant victory (due to resign).

I think it has to be decided between both teams and players, whether to play the game by moral standards (no backdooring in any form). I myself, would not approve it. Not in Dots because you cannot build a wall or place guards there to protect something (In Age of empires you can)

trancehime · « **Reply #378 on:** January 16, 2011, 03:10:29 PM »

Quote from: Prody on January 16, 2011, 02:24:05 PM

Don't really want to start a DotA discussion, but I feel the need to give my opinion. Backdoor may be taboo, but it is a pretty useful winning technique. It is even allowed in the rules (except for teleporting backdoor). It is capable of turning the tables of any match, which is probably why it has hate.

Legit technique doesn't make it socially acceptable.

Quote from: Noname on January 16, 2011, 02:15:14 PM

I'm also a DotA player and it kinda pisses me off when someone does this in the late game. (especially when I'm trying my best defending the base with all my might and stuff.)
:derp:

BoT is your best friend. Ward off a bd and you will be able to legitimately call your opponents assholes and show them that they have the moral low ground.

Stuffman · « **Reply #379 on:** January 16, 2011, 05:11:33 PM »

I haven't seen it done before, so can somebody explain exactly what backdooring constitutes? I understand that you slip a yukkuri through a juke lane or something like that and teleport to it to get in, but it doesn't actually allow you to circumvent any defenses since each building is invincible until the one before it is destroyed. What's so jerk about it?

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #380 on:** January 16, 2011, 06:23:47 PM »

Sadly you cant tele in from your yukkuri only yukari and kaguya. But usually what backdoor means is going ahead w/o creeps amd attack or destroying a tower. Alice and rin are pros at that

Dular · « **Reply #381 on:** January 16, 2011, 06:24:29 PM »

Well let's say that it's near the end of the game, both players have raxes done, it's only the shrines. One of the teams makes a push and while it's looking good, suddenly they lose because someone decided to backdoor them. That is really frustrating to see.

To put it in real warfare, it's like attacking the small villages, poisoning water, or donning enemy uniforms. It's just something you don't do.

As for my opinion on backdooring, in rare few cases it might be acceptable, such as hour thirty+ games, but most of the time? No... And I'd prefer if towers were able to hurt clones for Siki's ult, because a good Siki player will make an invincible clone that can probably do halfway health before the opponent is actually able to hurt himself enough to make the clone disappear. That REALLY cheeses me off.

Helepolis · « **Reply #382 on:** January 16, 2011, 06:24:39 PM »

Could be a yukkuri and teleporting to take down a shrine/tower while everybody is somewhere else. Could be ignoring entire brawl and all lanes and sneak past all creeps and attack the towers.

The worst backdoors are Yukari's mass teleport to enemy towers while the enemy is dead. Ignoring the lanes. Or as Kaguya use gap generator to yukkuri > Eirin Eirin your allies to you to attack. Impossible for the enemy to respond in time if they are dead or outnumbered.

Yea, you can think of many other methods.

Edit:
Dular kind of explained it well.

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #383 on:** January 16, 2011, 06:28:01 PM »

Quote from: Dular on January 16, 2011, 06:24:29 PM

Well let's say that it's near the end of the game, both players have raxes done, it's only the shrines. One of the teams makes a push and while it's looking good, suddenly they lose because someone decided to backdoor them. That is really frustrating to see.

To put it in real warfare, it's like attacking the small villages, poisoning water, or donning enemy uniforms. It's just something you don't do.

As for my opinion on backdooring, in rare few cases it might be acceptable, such as hour thirty+ games, but most of the time? No... And I'd prefer if towers were able to hurt clones for Siki's ult, because a good Siki player will make an invincible clone that can probably do halfway health before the opponent is actually able to hurt himself enough to make the clone disappear. That REALLY cheeses me off.

Actually turtles can eat eiki clones :v

Dular · « **Reply #384 on:** January 16, 2011, 06:33:30 PM »

What if Siki is with the turtles :V

Helepolis · « **Reply #385 on:** January 16, 2011, 10:30:37 PM »

Quote from: Dular on January 16, 2011, 06:33:30 PM

What if Siki is with the turtles :V

Enemy tower hug, get damage > lose clone > win.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #386 on:** January 16, 2011, 10:33:40 PM »

Might as well post this replay since the last 20 minutes are awesome.

Hack your eye
Infinity (Sanae)
Loolicon (Tenshi)
Sodium (Suika)
Hero (Tewi)

More ears
Kitten (Hina)
Shadowbringer (Yuyuko)
Eronar (Nue)
Dormio (Iku)

Spoiler:

trancehime · « **Reply #387 on:** January 17, 2011, 04:26:57 AM »

Quote from: Helepolis on January 16, 2011, 10:30:37 PM

Enemy tower hug, get damage > lose clone > win.

The exact game Dular was citing was when Hakurei had the advantage on us, and they pretty much pushed us back to our rax.

Siki (panda) comes and clones Komachi (Dular) and since the enemy tower was all the way on the other end of the map, and enemies were way too far, there was not much we could do about it.

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #388 on:** January 17, 2011, 06:57:05 PM »

or kill eiki and get rid of the clone

also you can not gap with yukkuri

Fakinha · « **Reply #389 on:** January 18, 2011, 01:24:36 PM »

You can gap to a shared yukkuri, can't you? At least it was possibles on old versions.

Well, I am totally against bd and started a discussion about bd on the brazilian touhou forum, on the dots game play thread because people here made some fucking lame bds and says that its normal... so maybe if the knew about the opinion of different people they'd understand things better... oh well =/