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So...OK, what is the significance of this thread? I can imagine your responses. Whatever you're posting is cheap, difficult to get the idea, cheating, what have you. Induces that rage you got against them in your childhoods.

But then again, what is the fun of a game that is too easy? At least with these you can practice and gain some ground! Or, get your ass handed over in 20 seconds.
Moreover, I prefer a game that is too hard rather than normal. Maybe I'm a bit masochistic (not at Tenshi's levels though).

The format? Tell us what game it is (and if applicable, where in said game), link it to a video of said level/boss/etc, and maybe a comment pertaining to it. I highly prefer it be a game you have actually played.

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Justice (Guilty Gear, PS1). If you thought V-13 (BlazBlue), Kazama (BB), and I-No (GGX2) were hard, you haven't been on the receiving end of Justice's Gamma Ray yet. Just...ugh. I don't even think she can be Destroyed (insta-killed) as a cheap strategy!

Dizzy (Guilty Gear X, Sega NAOMI / DC / PS2). Almost as hard as Justice, but oh-so-slightly easier.

Geese Howard (Fatal Fury / Garou Densetsu, Neo Geo). The source of the notorious "SNK Boss Syndrome" - super-cheap, mega-strong, and an essential ingredient in any SNK fighter (even more recent games like KOF XI and NGBC have this). And for you Capcom fans, Akuma / Gouki and Bison / Vega are no match for this guy!

Saisyu Kusanagi + Omega Rugal (KOF 95, Neo Geo). Got here a few times, never beat them with anyone.

OK, away from fighters....

Giant Martian Brain Thing (Metal Slug 3, Neo Geo). Can never get into/out of the tank on time to evade that brain wave...last time I beat this game (25 credits on MVS difficulty :fail:) about 7 of those were used just here (and about 10 more for the rest of the final mission).

Dr. Robotnik / Eggman Final Boss (Sonic 2, Megadrive). There goes all those lives you stockpiled during the rest of the game! And we know Robotnik/Eggman can outrun Sonic - here's proof! :V

Mecha Sonic in Knuckles' Story (Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Megadrive). It took me a few years to finally beat this bastard (and that damn Carnival Night barrel but that's another story).

Stage 8 (Streets of Rage 2 / Bare Knuckle 2, Megadrive). Stage was somewhat hard, Shiva beat my ass often, and Mr. X? Not hard, but that laugh. And that machine gun. AHAHAHAHAHA ~

Final boss whose name I don't know ATM (Shock Troopers, Neo Geo). Just WHAT did this guy eat for breakfast? And that sword's cheap!

Golden Silver (Gunstar Heroes, Megadrive). Just how many continues did I use on this guy alone again?

Yukari Yakumo (CraftyTitan's Yukkuri Doom Hack, PC). When trains overrule invincibility, danmaku attacks FPS, and is topped with a bazillion enemies at once....I think "oh god" is the only fitting response.

And for the joke easy boss for the laughs:
Phantom Train (Final Fantasy VI, Super Famicom / PS1 / GBA). There's a super-easy way to beat this guy (not mentioned in video) -
Spoiler:
use a Phoenix Down on it
.

...as you can see I'm a bit of an arcade (or arcade-style) game fan :3

So, without further ado, let's see what you guys have to say on the matter!

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Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2011, 12:04:32 PM »
My day 1 experience with Seth hardest difficulty in SF4 was excruciating.

Black Pierrot from Magical Drop 3. He was technically the final boss, seeing as he's the only one that can Teleport speed at Level 1.

Smithy from Super Mario RPG. Also Culex from the same game. Annoying attacks with AoE and instakill attacks make them one of the hardest I've ever played with.

Kouryu from Last Blade 2. Annoying ass AI with uber-cheap attacks. Get hit with a 214A and that's 70% of your life gone.

The 3 Ancients from Diablo 2 on Hell Difficulty.  You really really need Life Tap for that one.

Crawmerax the Destroyer from Borderlands. (Armory of General Knoxx). Only way to beat him is to hit his weak spots. Anything else is flat 0 damage.

Umbra from Elder Scrolls Oblivion. This girl was fucking hard to beat the first time. Then the next playthrough, I beat her when I was level 4.

And also Baiken from Gulity Gear 1. I found her harder than Justice, actally.

That's all I have for now. I'll add more on the list when I remember.

And Justice is FUCKING CHEAP WITH HER FUCK ASS GAMMA RAYS NONSTOP.


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Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2011, 12:38:42 PM »
Black Pierrot from Magical Drop 3. He was technically the final boss, seeing as he's the only one that can Teleport speed at Level 1.
Kouryu from Last Blade 2. Annoying ass AI with uber-cheap attacks. Get hit with a 214A and that's 70% of your life gone.
And also Baiken from Gulity Gear 1. I found her harder than Justice, actally.
And Justice is FUCKING CHEAP WITH HER FUCK ASS GAMMA RAYS NONSTOP.
AGREED with all four of these. Except that I never got to Baiken on GG1 normally (too many continues on Justice) :(

Let's add on a few more shall we?

Extra Boss Order-Sol (Guilty Gear X2 ^ Accent Core, Sega NAOMI 2 / PS2 / Wii / PSP). Got to him several times with a couple characters after the cakewalk that was I-No, but only beat him once (with Millia).

Mizuchi (Neogeo Battle Coliseum, Sammy Atomiswave / PS2 / XBLA). Granted, Goodman and Shin Shishioh (King Lion) are many times harder but usually when I play NGBC I play against him for a final boss. And there goes my team in a fell swoop (especially if we're not using continue services).

Mr. Karate (Art of Fighting / Ryoukou No Ken, Neo Geo). The second major beneficiary of SNK Boss Syndrome - especially bad when he can OHKO you even at full health.
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Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2011, 01:05:07 PM »
Obligatory Larsa post. Larsa, the final boss of Mushihimesama Futari by Cave, is known for being very difficult regardless of what mode you're playing, and 1cc attempts can expect to spend more lives/bombs on this boss compared to the entire rest of the game in general. In addition, I think Futari 1.01 Ultra's version of Larsa is the single most difficult case of well designed difficulty in any shmup I've ever seen. Here's a video of 1.01 Ultra Larsa, done by an exceptionally skilled player, who barely clears despite having more lives than is possible to actually get in a run on full default settings. To my knowledge, no-one's legitimately 1cc'd this on defaults yet, due to this boss. Judge for yourself, I guess. :V
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Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2011, 01:42:27 PM »
Nineball Seraph from Armored Core 2: Another Age. He took me an entire month to beat.


Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2011, 02:22:56 PM »
Obligatory Larsa post. Larsa, the final boss of Mushihimesama Futari by Cave, is known for being very difficult regardless of what mode you're playing, and 1cc attempts can expect to spend more lives/bombs on this boss compared to the entire rest of the game in general. In addition, I think Futari 1.01 Ultra's version of Larsa is the single most difficult case of well designed difficulty in any shmup I've ever seen. Here's a video of 1.01 Ultra Larsa, done by an exceptionally skilled player, who barely clears despite having more lives than is possible to actually get in a run on full default settings. To my knowledge, no-one's legitimately 1cc'd this on defaults yet, due to this boss. Judge for yourself, I guess. :V

Holy crap.  Also, obligatory "every Cave TLB ever"

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Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2011, 02:25:46 PM »
Judge for yourself, I guess. :V
You know, aside from the danmaku itself looking really difficult, I think what would completely flip my shit and kill me all the time would be the game speed changing drastically and not entirely predictably because of the number of bullets.  :derp:


As for incredibly hard bosses, I'd like to mention:

From Sparkster (SNES), on the two unlockable difficulties Very Hard Mode and Crazy Hard Mode, the the two penultimate bosses:
Mecha duel with Axel Gear, where the AI switches from excellent defense to relentless offense on a whim. Any swing will take either half a heart or a full heart away, and if you block too much, which on Crazy Hard Mode is barely at all, you lose your blocking arm, so you need to time your defensive dashes with extreme precision.
The fight with General Lioness. Note that this video doesn't do him justice, since not only does the player get lucky, but he is also playing with an infinite health cheat. Normally, if the player got hit three times, he would be dead.  :derp:
The boss has three different attacks, and he always uses three in a row in random combinations. If he uses the same attack three times, you can get away easily. If he combines them in any way... you have a problem. If he uses all different three, you are fucked. If you get really lucky though, like the guy in the vid, he will simply jump alot instead of using his attacks, which of course doesn't really pose a threat.  :derp:
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Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2011, 02:30:17 PM »
Nineball Seraph from Armored Core 2: Another Age. He took me an entire month to beat.

Hell, Nineball Seraph in general.
I've yet to go toe-to-toe with him in AC2(only armored core game I own) yet though.
But with how I generally fail at it, he's gonna steamroller me.
Even the AC Pros generally have a tough time with him.

Ingram/R-Gun Rivale, Super Robot Wars Original Generation 1/Alpha 1,
This badass took me an entire year's worth of hammering out strategies that could win.
Even using EN Drain Missiles was touch and go.

Wodan Ymir/Thrudgelmir, Super Robot Wars Alpha Gaiden/Original Generation 2.
Zengar's Android Clone, 'nuff said.

Axel Almer/Soulgain, SRW OG 2/SRW A Portable/SRW A.
Two words.
Code. Kirin.
This guy held me back for almost as long as the R-Gun Rivale!
In fact, it was only after beating this guy that I figured out the basic idea to beating the Rivale.
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Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2011, 02:35:22 PM »
Please post a spoiler warning in the topic title?

I had more trouble than I needed to with bosses like
Spoiler:
Kunino-Sagiri. Ameno
didn't take nearly as many retries as he did, mainly because I didn't have a complete enough Persona roster to null whatever element he felt like bringing out. Thankfully enough, he almost always picked fire or ice, so I basically always told Teddie or Yukiko to go nuts with it.

Shadow Yukiko and Shadow Kanji, as well. I never got what it was about the first bosses being the most inordinately difficult in this game.

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can we settle for "Taizen is Horrible at Video Games." ?


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Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2011, 03:23:02 PM »
Hmm I need quite some time for
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Xaero
on nightmare.. but other than that.... I don't find bosses to be not possible to beat.

Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2011, 03:59:41 PM »
If you think the bosses in Persona are bad (and they are, don't get me wrong), wait until you see some of the stuff in the main SMT series.
Spoiler:
Mem Aleph
, hoo boy. Can hit you with party-wide attacks of ANY element, including the instant-death Light and Dark elements, has a powerful physical attack, and can do wonderful things like inflict status effects on you, force your party out of battle, and cancel out any debuffs you've put on it. I haven't done the Law or Chaos paths yet, but I hear
Spoiler:
Commander Gore
can be even more brutal.

Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2011, 04:02:00 PM »
Artificial Sun:
Stage 2-2 (hard), Astro Boy Omega factor (GBA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21IPq2LGCNU
You only have the resources to surivie two hits and there's a lot of very precise dodging (through to boss to the next gap to open up, as it gradualy fills the screen) needing freequent well timed double taps on the d-pad.

Litteraly blistered through my fingers 3 times trying this, every time I'd got a good strategy down I had to wait a few weeks for the skin to regrow...
I still have yet to beat it.

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Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2011, 04:18:58 PM »
If you think the bosses in Persona are bad (and they are, don't get me wrong), wait until you see some of the stuff in the main SMT series.
CHAOS TACK

You left out the bit where that boss also has an attack that insta-kills one target and heals her for that amount.  This works on the MC.

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Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2011, 04:19:43 PM »
Rollcage: Stage II (PlayStation/PC):
Aurora league, Knockout stage, Master campaign, Hydroponics track, Jumpgate area
Oh God, Hydroponics. Aurora League is the hardest league in the Master campaign, which is the hardest campaign. Each league, when you win the regular tracks, ends in a Knockout race on a rather difficult track. After each lap, the last two racers are knocked out, and if you are knocked out, you lose the campaign. And Hydroponics is the most obnoxiously difficult track in the game. Even with the Unity Genesis car (Which is the best car in the game), it's obscenely difficult to win on that track. One of the first games I got, and one of the extremely few that can actually make me ragequit. I still have yet to beat Aurora campaign.
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Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2011, 04:22:10 PM »
We are all remiss for not posting THAT ONE KROGAN.  You know, the one at the end of Liara's recruitment in ME1?  The one that kills you in two hits with Master Barrier and Immunity?

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Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2011, 04:23:10 PM »
Dododnpachi Daioujou's Death Label mode from the PS2 port fits here, as the entire game is just a boss rush. First clear of the second loop (where you only have one life to get through everything) took seven years from the games release, even though the whole thing lasts less than 10 minutes. Not the clear, but should give good enough impression of what to expect.
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Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2011, 04:35:27 PM »
Does this count?  :V
Well you're fighting against a big bad so yeah.

This thing was always really freaking hard to win as the AI was ridiculously good. Even if you though you were winning the AI could destroy you in a matter of seconds.

Also holy God this thing. Absolutely hilarious AI and it's not afraid to think 5 steps ahead and insult your entire family if you lose.

Ninja Gaiden as a whole was pretty crazy, but one of the hardest parts was definitely the Alma fight.

Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2011, 05:40:12 PM »
I've attempted to beat the Final Boss of Majora's Mask with a three heart challenge throughout the entire game.

I think it's impossible. :V

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Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2011, 05:59:50 PM »
Yukari Yakumo (CraftyTitan's Yukkuri Doom Hack, PC). When trains overrule invincibility, danmaku attacks FPS, and is topped with a bazillion enemies at once....I think "oh god" is the only fitting response.
That was actually pretty fun the first time.

Perfect Dark on Perfect Agent. And Mother Brain.

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Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2011, 06:03:57 PM »
Airman.

'Nuff said.  :V
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Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2011, 06:07:17 PM »
Airman.

'Nuff said.  :V
Airman's not TOO bad. Now Woodman and his absurdly large hitbox (especially when you refight him in MM3) on the other hand...

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Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2011, 06:12:39 PM »
Airman's not TOO bad. Now Woodman and his absurdly large hitbox (especially when you refight him in MM3) on the other hand...

I actually didn't have as much of a hard time with Woodman as with Airman.  :V

Oh! And the Yellow Devil. Any of the Devils, really. Damn motherfuckers are a royal PITA.
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Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)!
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2011, 06:24:45 PM »
Ketsui Death Label.

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Re: Post Those Absurdly Difficult Bosses (and Games)! *possible spoilers*
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2011, 06:48:31 PM »
Please post a spoiler warning in the topic title?
Been there, done that.

Some more JRPG bosses:

Ruby Weapon (FF7, PS1 / PC). OHKOs two random party members if they aren't dead already...makes it harder. Much harder. At least fight is optional.

Barrier Trio (Mother 3, GBA). Damn PSI shields trip me off, and I had to use Shield Snatchers like there was no tomorrow.

And then a few STGs:

Stone-Like (Ikaruga, Sega NAOMI / DC / GCN / XBLA). Got my ass handed over within 30 seconds of meeting this guy. Though this was before I was getting into STGs (including Touhou), so now things would be a bit easier.

Emergency! Boss Rush stage (Sexy Parodius, arcade / PS1 / Saturn / PSP). First three are easy - damn you lips - and that last woman is a bit harder than I expected.

I would love to post a few Cave ones but I haven't played any of them yet due to lack of playing platform :(
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...Did I mention Demi-Fiend has 18k HP, gets fully healed once at 50% HP, and can get fully healed by his demons if you don't kill them quickly enough?  Yeah.
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Spoiler:
Orphan(first form)
from FFXIII. If you aren't prepared for it he (and she, think shingyoku but you can actually distinguish) can
Spoiler:
target your leader for an instant kill late in the fight
, and unless you've got at least 1 fully upgraded
Spoiler:
cherub's crown
equipped (and even then) it's pretty much game over for you.

Edit: not to mention, from the beginning of the fight, your entire party gets knocked to near death from [attack name I don't remmeber, but he does it in a pattern with others] and it's done several times.
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Attacus? Falls in 8~10 minutes.
Long Guis, the self-proclamed hardest boss in the game? Give me 10 minutes.
Vercingetorix, the final mission boss? Give me 15 minutes;

Zirnirtra? Give me a few Anti-rage drugs and MAYBE he will fall.

I can't find a video about him, but he has this "normal" ranged attack that inflicts all debuffs in the game + poison. He will keep using it until gus target (Most likely your leader) has deshell, deprotect and slow. By whuch point he'll use Feeding Stoop, which is OHKO if the target has deprotect, which he will.

Thankfully, he's optional

Spoiler:
Orphan(first form)
from FFXIII. If you aren't prepared for it he (and she, think shingyoku but you can actually distinguish) can
Spoiler:
target your leader for an instant kill late in the fight
, and unless you've got at least 1 fully upgraded
Spoiler:
cherub's crown
equipped (and even then) it's pretty much game over for you.

Edit: not to mention, from the beginning of the fight, your entire party gets knocked to near death from [attack name I don't remmeber, but he does it in a pattern with others] and it's done several times.

The attacks you're talking about I'll presume they are Doom and Merciless Judgement?

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The attacks you're talking about I'll presume they are Doom and Merciless Judgement?

I didn't know Shikieiki was in FFXIII.  :derp:

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