Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Post 'em!

N1 (Went to Edible)

Dear Bardiche,

You had best start playing nice now, ya hear?
There's nothing wrong with trying to squeeze a little info out of them scum bastards, but if yer not gonna be courteous about it...
Well, let's just say that a certain individual might be met with an unfortunate accident, you know how these things just happen.
Now we're all buddies here, hunting scum and all that jazz, so you best be playing nice.

N2

Dear Zakeri,

Did you really think that I wouldn't notice your convenient absence at the end of the day?
Did you really think that yer absence would go by unnoticed?
Try to pull any crap like that again and maybe you'll find yer absence turns a little more permanent, ya hear?

N3
It was to Schezo but I forgot to save it because this was the night I sent my action late and huh what was poking me and stuff.

N4

Dear Iced Fairy,

Did ya think that relying on yer pathetic excuse of joining late would hold up forever?
Because I know what you were doing before this hunt started.
I know what yer did.
And if ya don't start cleaning up yer act, who knows what tragic accidents might occur.

Quote destroys the italics.
Oh well.



Also, I blame poor english skills for bad analysis abilities. :V

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

@ Edible: It seems to me that the poor turn-out of past large games was primarily the fault of the timing and the players rather than the size, though. I can't really speak from an educated viewpoint, though, seeing as I wasn't around for them (although I do recall lurking and watching RKS unfold back when I was new). Even so, wouldn't that be less of an issue now that this forum's playerbase has shifted and a fair amount of new players (myself, Serela, Schezo, Hourai, etc) have popped up since the last "large" game? I imagine replacements would be more common, too.

I guess all this is just theorizing, though.

@ Dormio: I still have your PM to Schezo.

You found the following ~extremely threatening~ message inside your mailbox:

"Dear Schezo,

Pulling a fast one on Hourai there, are yer?
Can't say I blame ya for that, he probably had it coming.
But, ya know, there's a code of conduct we should be going by when we're hunting scum.
We gotta keep civilized 'cuz you know what happens if we don't?
Anarchy. And in anarchy, everyone becomes scum.
So let's keep our actions nice and courteous, lest some unforeseeable tragedy happen to a certain individual in the near future."

[Shadoweh]

Edible - ##Kill Shadoweh (Fail)

*teaspit.jpg*

## take it easy

*has already teaspit.jpg*

I laughed so hard when I found out Crown Boy's effect was Kingmaker. Truly you were the king of the lynch.

I'm going to post the rest of the anonymessages in order since huh what hasn't.:

Can I ask at this moment for you to go back to the basics and find what you were thinking earlier to be a guide to your actions?

Since he didn't know about my cop yet he was completely in his rights to call me out for pretending to be insane.

Dear Crown Boy Schezo.

Hello, this is Shadoweh! I guess someone could try to fake being me but really? Really. You have been chosen to receive this because well it was either you or Doll. First of all I should tell you I don't suspect Dormio because he doesn't realize he just claimed cop and cleared Edible from scum. Considering the info I have I'd be surprised if any of the scum role names don't involve 'Virus'.

First of all the reason for what happened with Hourai is so simple I can't believe it eluded me. No one was ever suposed to see the waffle move. See how in post 363 he said "Argh, I don't want scum anony voting." and voted, then after the votecount in post 371 said "It said that Doll had L-2!". The votecount in #356 was originally messed up, huh what had you still voting Doll (5 votes instead of 4) and said Doll was at L-2. Hourai thought when he voted for Doll it was the hammer. If this plan had worked Bardiche would've been able to hard bus his fiercest opponent Zakeri the next day as the vote that "must have moved" OR YOU because "obviously it was a scum gambit to save scum Schezo". Note that Hanged Hourai and Conqueror are also the ones that helped Bardiche hammer himself.

Oh, did I mention Conqueror is scum? Because Conqueror is scum. I checked him last night and not only is his day effect named Virus Outbreak but he gives out a POST RESTRICTION when he dies to everyone. Also check out the way he's trying to get Dormio lynched instead of going for the easy Hourai wagon. Now I don't know about you but I don't want another horrific post restriction written by Conqueror tomorrow so I propose we lynch Hourai today and not let Conqueror know we're onto him until he gets hit by a insta-lynch the next day.

If the game continues after we lynch these two as scum the highest probability is that Edible is a Third Party Survivor.

If you agree to this plan please make a post with the words "Oh and Shadoweh next time you get hit by a restriction that hard think of a name more manly then crown boy." I will make a post with the reply "Schezo: How does 'quit lynching yourself man' sound? :V"

My logic for Hourai was true, he just happened to hide his scum flip really well flip town. The conversation between me and Edible discussing his 'town flip role' was us BSing while confirming he got my PM.

I'm going to send you both of my flocks of birds now because I'm almost certain I can trust you at this point.

I sent you one earlier that said: *quotes earlier pm*

because I didn't know if I could trust you enough not to fall on me because you may have thought I was scum trying to lead you on.  I wonder who you thought sent you that because I wanted it to be as ambiguous as possible, post game answer you know.

I decided not to answer that way to your plan in the thread even though I agree with it.  I want you to just throw all that stuff out there on Hourai right now because I won't be back for a good post until ~5-10PM CST.

I may call Conqueror out a bit on my arguement on Hourai but I'll also try to paint Dormio in the same light so that he won't get too wary.

I hope I'm not the nightkill or you aren't either but we'll see.

I thought the first message was from Edible. It fit his take it easy style.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

So let's keep our actions nice and courteous, lest some unforeseeable tragedy happen to a certain individual in the near future.

He actually died. D:

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

I like how some people seemed to assume Dormio's role was a form of vig. It totally would have made sense and his letters even implied it, but it was not to be.

[Kitten4u]

I still don't get why you guys were getting up in my face about lurking D1 (since lurking D1 isn't scummy). :V  It's not like posting infrequently alone is really scummy, it's how it's used.  Like most things you can't just blindly apply OMG LURKING!!!!!!!! as a case alone.  In general, I find that looking at what lurkers DON'T say as opposed to what they DO say is better at nabbing scum.  Looking at events (or rather, trends) that they skip is also useful.  You just have to be more careful with that one, because they really not be able to post and/or may be rereading in order to make a better choice.  So yeah.  All you guys really succeeded in doing D1 with your call outs was pissing me off and making me not want to post. :V  I will never post a lot, it's just not how I play.  I've tried before and it's just never worked for me.

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Comments on game:

Shadoweh and Iced Fairy were great.  Keep playing.

D5 was just disgraceful.  There wasn't anything that pointed to Dormio being scum rather than just a confused newbie, but there were things pointing to him being town.  This ranks up with town not lynching Serp in Invasion after he said we should ignore flips.

I think the set-up was too town biased.  A lot of the more confusing night actions could be figured out pretty easily due to it being rolemadness.  I think the town investigative roles (even if some of them were fairly weak) were still too strong all together.  Coupled with everything else and the generally weak scum PRs and ow.  I don't think the confusion and the negative death effects were enough to balance things right (especially since they could be used creatively as Shadoweh demonstrated ).

You definitely needed to talk to your co-mods more.  More vote counts (especially during D2 where they were particularly important) would have been nice.  All night actions seemed to be handled well, so I think you did well there.  The night phases were too long too.  I could tolerate N1 being long to find a replacement, but there wasn't any reason to extend the later ones.  If someone doesn't send in their night actions on time that's their problem, not yours. >_>b  Overall, the game ran smoothly.  GJ

The dead QT was awesome.  I still had a lot of fun with the game despite not really thinking too hard about it and being dead.

[Hanged Hourai]

Ahahahahaha. I'm so going back to my Goddamnit Chaore mafia playstyle. Trying anything else just doesn't work for me.

[PX]

Quick post to say that I hope every single one of you on the PX wagon feels shame and disgust  for even considering your vote, and I hope you all hang.  A post-game discussion on what consists of a good D1 lynch and what doesn't is in order.

##vote pesco, because there ain't no gettin' offa this train that we on.  Also to comply with the following:


I demand that every single player place a vote in their first post of the day.  Anyone who does not have their vote on the table AT ALL TIMES should be instantly considered as scum.

I'll be back later.  The townie riot ability is a boon if managed carefully.

Still waiting on this Edible

[Shadoweh]

I owe an apology to K4U for taking instructions from Hitler who clearly said she was THE ENEMY.
This is the exact post of his I took my posting advice from and they're good tips for any newbie:
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,1128.msg50521.html#msg50521

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Shame on you for actually lurking properly and listening to competent players before attempting to play in a Mafia game, Shadoweh. Real men gain nothing from reading through archives, play horribly their first few games, and learn the hard way.

;_;

[Hanged Hourai]

Nice blue there Shadoweh. And exactly how much research did you do? Cause you seem very well-up on your past games.

[Edible]

Still waiting on this Edible

orite

Okay, this one can't be gamed too hard, but look at PX's lynch day 1.


PX (6) - Dormio, Bardiche, Pesco, Hanged Hourai, Conqueror, Schezo, Kitten4u

Notice anything in particular?

Basically, two townies arguing about something stupid on D1 almost always leads to one of them being lynched, and it's easy as hell for scum to ride the wagon all the way home.  This is almost never a good way to choose a lynch.  Conversely, we had another player (who happened to be town) acting blatantly anti-town, using dangerous abilities with neither warning nor concern, and essentially keeping mum otherwise.  Town abilities not used for the sake of town may essentially be scum tools.

[Iced Fairy]

Heh.  I'm curious as to how I'd do as town.  The reason I was willing to jump in day 2 was because I'd read the game pretty well, and I actually suspected Pesco, Bardiche and Conqueror walking in.  But some of the distractions were pretty good.  I don't know how well I'd have fared against them.

I'm also curious as to how I'd do from Day 1.  I came in with solid opinions and a strong posting position.  Having to fumble around in the dark earlier would have been more taxing.

[Shadoweh]

Yes... research. >.> For this game. >.> It's not like I read through all the Mafia games for fun. Repeatedly. Especially the Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia since Shkannon had my favorite posts ever. I wanted to play Anonymafia or at least Bastard Mod first because they were the most fun games to read.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I derped really hard on D5.
Though, apparently, DollS would have gone for me anyway or something.
But yeah, rushed posts followed by more rushed posts are bad.

I confused myself with day effects and thought that the posting restriction didn't apply to everyone.
After all, Iced Fairy broke it immediately and Schezo/Edible were posting normally (or at least it looked normal compared to Shadoweh's posts).

I'll probably lurk moar before I attempt to play another.

[Edible]

My post restriction at the time required me to ignore the post restrictions.

Unfortunately for whoever wrote them, that's exactly what I did with Shadoweh's on D2.  So continuing to ignore them wasn't all that hard.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

I'm the one who made up the posting restrictions. They were not given to specifically chosen players, so I was not expecting it to affect your play.

Edible's, Iced Fairy's and Schezo's were as they stated them, though Iced Fairy's had no penalty for being broken.
Doll had to post everything in the form of a question.
Dormio was immune (decision given to a random townie to cause confusion, had nothing to do with his role).

[Conqueror]

I wanted to play Anonymafia or at least Bastard Mod first because they were the most fun games to read.

Well, I'd say this was a Bastard Mod game.

I was looking forward to playing town this game (seeing as in my only other game I got lynched D1). I'll have to see if I have more time - most of my lurking this game was forced. >>

[Kitten4u]

@Edible: But you vs. Pesco was just as much of a townie slapfight. x:

Shkannon had my favorite posts ever.

wat
I might as well have been drunk during that game.

[Iced Fairy]

Eh, I derped on D5 too.  You were right.  My post restriction was a total lie and I broke it immediately in my eagerness to beat Dolls to the punch.

The mistake in D5 was everyone not paying attention to my misteps, Edible reading too much into your death ability, and Dolls falling into my "lynch Dormio too damn early" trap.

The mistakes I used against you as scum mainly came from your jumping to conclusions on bad evidence and tendency to repost facts instead of pulling the facts together.

[Edible]

@Edible: But you vs. Pesco was just as much of a townie slapfight. x:

Hey, scum pesco DOES play exactly the same as town pesco.  All I'm saying is if you have to choose a lynch based on not-scumminess D1, pick the most anti-town option available. :V

[Serela]

wat
I might as well have been drunk during that game.

Clearly, you should channel your inner ZUN next mafia game you play.

Although it may have helped that bofh was your partner. And yet you STILL got prodded the hell out of. : :VJesus, putting two lurkers together isn't supposed to make them post even LESS  :3

...I still wonder if I could have won that game, if I had tried a roleclaim that wasn't really bad. I had it made until suddenly everything went to crap on the last night ;_;

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

(decision given to a random townie to cause confusion, had nothing to do with his role).

It confused the hell out of me, at the very least. q_q

The mistakes I used against you as scum mainly came from your jumping to conclusions on bad evidence and tendency to repost facts instead of pulling the facts together.

Well, I was going to post my (not-so) crackpot theory about you being scum through the process of elimination. (If Edible isn't scum, it must be Iced Fairy!)
But then DollS hammered me while I was playing DotS.



Also, I hate using wireless internet at the uni library.
It's so slow because too many people and making even a single post is :effort:

[Shizumarashi Mayuzumi]

I might as well have been drunk during that game.

Man, I just remember reading that game and constantly going "wait wha-- oh, yeah, that Shannon" until bofh merged in with you. Even though I wasn't even playing. I'm just not used to hearing my own damn name anymore. Or something. :V

[Shadoweh]

I might as well have been drunk during that game.

You should drink more often You still won didn't you? According to the townie you won before the day started.  :3 You still managed not to break your restriction unlike your other half.

I was paranoid scared of everyone getting a post restriction like mine and then everyone gets one line restrictions and the day lasted 7 hours. muted townie rage!

[Iced Fairy]

But then DollS hammered me while I was playing DotS.

I knew he would.  It was pretty predictable.  Which is why I put a big red "Do not do this" sign over my delay game button.  To make me look slightly more town.

[Kitten4u]

Ah, so you liked the posts after I became Schizophrenia-nee-chan-kun.   Most of those weren't written by me (or at least not 100% me, I made sure to send them to bofh before posting for proofreading, and even THEN I managed to derp things up with some of his posts :V).

You should drink more often

If only that's what was causing me to be all silly and unable to think right.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I knew he would.  It was pretty predictable.  Which is why I put a big red "Do not do this" sign over my delay game button.  To make me look slightly more town.

Gddmt DollS.
Be thankful you're all kawaii and uguu desu.

[Thata no Guykoro]

I had two co-mods and both of them barely said anything about the set-up or role PMs at all :<

Hey hey, you hired me for the votecounts.

...In retrospect, maybe I should have counted votes more than about 2 or 3 times.

[Serela]

...In retrospect, maybe I should have counted votes more than about 2 or 3 times.

I would have too, but I kept becoming incredibly sick or having to babysit every single time a day started :V