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Byakuren doesn't eat meat.  Presumably that includes humans.

Magicians are defined in Perfect Memento as beings that are powered by magic (and thus don't need to eat).  Presumably they get this way from that spell that's mentioned that it removes the need for food, but this isn't directly stated, IIRC.  Byakuren is classified as a youkai because of how far her magic has advanced according to SOPM. It is unknown if she needs to eat or not (she'll eat vegetables, though, obviously)

Mokou is an eternal being. It's not directly stated, but I imagine it's impossible for her to become a youkai because the hourai elixir keeps her body from changing. She'll thus presumably always be powered by biological means instead of belief, faith, or magic (though she can still learn magic. She just doesn't rely on it for sustenance).  As an aside, Mokou does rely on biological means to live (IE, food). It's just that if she doesn't bother with it, she just... dies and ressurects again (stated in her CiLR chapter).

Kogasa also is confirmed to not eat humans physically. She states (to Marisa, I believe) in UFO that she's the type of youkai that eats a human's spirit instead whenever she successfully surprises someone (although really, given the lack of harm to anyone even when she does surprise them, it's more like nibbling on your spirit than anything permanently damaging, apparently)

The rest... dunno.

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How do the music arrangers get the tunes of the original ZUN music?
Do they reconstruct it just by hearing the music?
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That's sort of how music works, yes.

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Alice used to be human. I would guess that learning some magic lets you do it. It's probably voluntary as well, or Mokou would have become one already.
Mokou and Kaguya would by all rights be Youkai (or Gods, or Celestials, or whatever) today if they were not "frozen" by the Hourai Elixir as "humans". This is how I understand them.

Eirin, by her turn, is just broken.

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Clearly, just living a really, really long time isn't enough to become youkai. It's not like you pass a certain goalpost at Year 10,000 or something that reads "No Hoomins Allowed". It takes a very long time to become a youkai, of course, but that's more a symptom than a cause.

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Unlike animals (who often just need to get old enough) humans have to meet special requirements to become youkai, such as:

In Touhou substantial material:
- Vampirization.
- Ghosthood (often achieved by having a grudge or unfinished business upon death).
- Learning the 'abandon food' magic (this turns human magicians into youkai magicians).
- Shikaisen and wicked hermits can be seen as youkai.

In myth:
- Slaying 1000 youkai.
- Wives of misers have a chance of becoming futakuchi-onna, due to having so little to eat.
- Humans in extreme emotional state have a chance of becoming youkai, before or after death. Jealousy, hatred, sorrow and feelings of vengeance are prone to cause this.
- Cannibalism.

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So, theoretically, someone with a sufficiently  strong will would be able to become a Youkai, yes?
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I don't think it's that simple, unless that force of will is combined with a certain emotion. I would say determination is key to becoming a youkai (because you need to be one hell of a determinator if you want to kill 1000 youkai).

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But humans are animals too :V

Doesn't a human who gets enough 'belief' invested in them also become supernaturally qualified?

But humans are animals too :V

Doesn't a human who gets enough 'belief' invested in them also become supernaturally qualified?

Ichirin apparently became a youkai due to people fearing her, if that's what you mean.  It doesn't look like she even really did anything special for the most part.  From what I could tell from her SoPM article, people just saw her chillin' with Unzan and feared her so much from that that she one day was a youkai (course, Ichirin is probably one of the least youkai-like youkai ever from what little I've seen of her so far since she doesn't seem to care about attacking humans, and Unzan's stated to not act like a nyuduu anymore either)

But yea, faith and belief are big factors to creating a youkai, human or otherwise.  Faith looks like it creates gods instead of youkai, though (although I suppose one could argue that gods are a type of youkai, albeit a bit of a unique type).  Sanae has enough faith to be a living god but it's stated that if she were to lose that faith, she'd just revert back to being a normal human.
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Like I mentioned before, the way that things become youkai, or get spirited away, or have gods form etc; is really quite meta. Most people would like to think of these events as something internally-motivated, as if the setting of Gensokyo and its character interactions are what causes these events to happen, but it all really comes down to a matter of "if people believe it, it becomes true in Gensokyo". While a bit trivialized, this is how a major part of Gensokyo seems to run and it's a fantastically simple literary device. My usual simple example would be the creation of youkai and gods: all it takes is the fear of something in order for people to propagate fables and curses and hauntings and the like. The "people" as a group "create" a youkai by believing it exists. Then, as people discover scientific explanations to natural phenomena and fashion logic more and more, those fantastical explanations die off. This is how they end up in Gensokyo. ZUN keeps the details behind spiriting away and the like hidden and ambiguous on purpose in order to show that the move to Gensokyo is not a physical or volitional move at all, it just happens. Gods work the exact same way, except they are worshiped instead of revered. Sanae being worshiped as a god by performing miracles is why she would be considered a living god. Likewise, Marisa delving into so much magical experimentation and fighting other people are likely the reason why she might one day just exist as a youkai. The thing is that with Gensokyo, these fantasies run wild with no physical explanation, so in large it's self-sustaining. Ghosts occur because people may die and have unfinished business, but ghosts only actually exist because the concept of a ghost is totally valid and thought of as the norm in Gensokyo. It's all wonderfully meta.

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How good is ZUN at his own games?
Has he ever captured Reimu's Last Word in th08?
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6787850257611950013&q=touhou

I think this is the only footage of ZUN playing his own windows game. This is from the beta version of StB.

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http://projectrja.web.fc2.com/

This card game looks pretty amazing (look at all that great artwork!), but I can't seem to find any info on it, not even on the Touhou Wiki. Is this one just not well-known or something? It'd be awesome if someone translated it.

Hi, can someone help me with a translation to add to the wiki? (Although you're free to add the translation to the wiki directly if you'd rather do that instead)


http://en.touhouwiki.net/images/5/5d/ThGKPartII.png


What does the writing on the book that Renko is holding say? Alas, google translate doesn't work with pictures (not that a google translation would be a good thing to use for the wiki, anyways).  Thanks in advance!

....interestingly enough, this is technically the first time Renko's ever been officially depicted with another Touhou character besides Maribel (although Maribel's there too).

Hi, can someone help me with a translation to add to the wiki? (Although you're free to add the translation to the wiki directly if you'd rather do that instead)


http://en.touhouwiki.net/images/5/5d/ThGKPartII.png


What does the writing on the book that Renko is holding say? Alas, google translate doesn't work with pictures (not that a google translation would be a good thing to use for the wiki, anyways).  Thanks in advance!

....interestingly enough, this is technically the first time Renko's ever been officially depicted with another Touhou character besides Maribel (although Maribel's there too).

日本のパワースポット大全。
Japan's Power Spots Encyclopedia.

日本のパワースポット大全。
Japan's Power Spots Encyclopedia.

...heh.

Alright, thanks!

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Also it says 霊 (ghost) by Yuyuko, 蓮 ("Ren") by Renko and Mary is saying 寒気 (chills).

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Oh, peachy!  Thanks!  ...hunh, wonder what the Ren is there for (IE, is it a pun, Lotus, or just there to tell everyone that's Renko?)

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It's the first character in her name.

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I'll just assume it's the latter, then :P

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Instead of posting a thread about it, I figured I should ask here instead, since I can't read Japanese.


What sorcery is this and why does it look so delicious?


I was looking at Mikatan's blog for today (Goodsmile Company) and this picture had come up towards the bottom.  Sadly, it didn't get translated over with the English version of the blog, so I have no idea what's up.  GSC sometimes has a theme for their cafe, but I'm not getting my hopes up... especially because there's no way in hell I could go.


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Nevermind, this clears it up.  Looks like they are doing a cafe thing, but I don't know if it'll be on the same scale as the Puella Magi or Fate themes.  That might've been an entirely different cafe and I could be mixing them up, too.  Also, some info about products they'll be selling at Reitaisai.
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"Demon" is the closest you'll ever get to an official translation for "youkai", right?

Thanks in advance!

Not really; "youkai" basically means anything supernatural and nonhuman that isn't a god or whatever.

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It's also something the kids say to mean "roger!", for some inexplicable reason.

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Well, pretty much every form of localizations uses "demon" in place "youkai", so I guess you can say that it's as closest as you can get when referring to the likes of Rumia, Mystia, Tewi, etc.

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Well, pretty much every form of localizations uses "demon" in place "youkai", so I guess you can say that it's as closest as you can get when referring to the likes of Rumia, Mystia, Tewi, etc.

Eh, don't confuse localization with definition. "Demon" has a very specific meaning in English. "Youkai" is far more broad, as has been shown.

"Human history and growth are both linked closely to strife. Without conflict, humanity would have no impetus for growth. When humans are satisfied with their present condition, they may as well give up on life."

Yeah, youkai pretty much means "strange evil beings". Youkai applies to pretty much anything supernatural. So, a vampire is a youkai, a werewolf is a youkai, a demon is a youkai, a fairy is a youkai, etc. The range is super broad, so it covers pretty much anything not human.

Demon sometimes means "strange evil beings" and could refer to almost anything that was strange and evil in the English language, too, which is probably why Youkai translates into it when translated literally.  However, the usage of the word for this purpose has been very minor lately.  Actually, I'm not sure if it was ever major.  Alternatively, maybe I'm completely wrong and I just think it's used for this context because I might have watched too many Japanese subs/dubs that use it in this context, although I'm pretty sure I've seen it used in this context for several movies/shows/stories/folklore that take place up to around the rennaissance age, too.  Been a while since I've read those sorts of books and stories, though, but I recall seeing werewolves, grendel, etc, being referred to as demons in some old stories. It's definately almost never used for this context today, though.