MotK Psycho Plot Mafia ~ Game Over, Town Win

[Skull]

bwahahahahahaha RT @GODrake Kilga's reasons for having a vote on me are better #DrakeforPromQueen #LAL

[DiEnd]

Humz,

Well my joke was for a hellofit to begin with. not like there was many talking going on but oh well.

Drake's so far, "give a reason" for voting really seems like a taunt everyone to begin talking and throwing random accusations around when drawing attention to himself seems odd.

What sort of reason did i have to vote kilga other than that "Bandwagon" vote being tossed around over and over.

if i had a reason i would obviously explain myself and why i chose that person to be lynched~
##Unvote kilga
##vote GODrake

[Skull]

seriously, i've been dying to get the twitter post out. i'll get something more serious out later after i ingest my pint of vodka.

toodaloo

violentia cut me off! party foul! you owe me another drink!

[Decade]

@Kuruminut: You voted me for saying third on the wagon is scum, Kuruminut. You are now saying third on the wagon deserves chiding. Why? Are you scum? You chide me for voting GODrake. The person you are voting is GODrake. What am I missing? I'm missing an alternative.

@Slabes: There was little to go on at the time. It's natural people don't have a lot to say at game start. Telling people to go scumhunt is superfluous right now because there is little scum to see for all there is to hunt. Given the alternatives, voting GODrake takes point.


I don't like Pescohax and Easy Modo chiming in but saying nothing. You talk about the current conflict but add nothing relevant to it.

[Serela]

Hello, Votecount!

Alice Boofybofh (0): Kuruminut
Kuruminut (0): Kilgajesus
Slabes (1): GODrake, Eve L. Duehr, Violentia, HoboverlordPurvis
Omega Wrathie (1): Slabes, GODrake
HoboverlordPurvis (1): Easy Modo
GODrake (4): Omega Wrathie, Kuruminut, Kilgajesus, Violentia
Violentia (0): Kilgajesus, Slabes
Sana Spice (0): Pescohax
Pescohax (0): GODrake
Kilgajesus (2): Kuruminut, TranceTheHime, Violentia, Slabes
TranceTheHime (1): Eve L. Deuhr

Not Voting: Sana Spice, Alice Boofybarn, Pescohax

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch. GODrake is L-3.
There are around 34 hours left in the day.

[Kiva-la]

Look at Drake. Now back at Donut. Now back at Drake. Now back at Donut. Sadly, I suspect this to be a town vs. town argument. Look at Post 35. Now at Post 36. Now back to Drake. It is hard to accuse him of cheerleading when he already has a serious vote down on another player for reasons that are at least somewhat similar. Even real men like me cannot always have votes down in tow places at once. On the other side of the coin, I do not detect ill will in Donut's points against Drake. They may be mistaken, but simple mistakenness is not a sign of unmanliness.

Now look at Post 52. Mode is more suspect than either Drake or Donut, as shesubtly pokes part of the main argument along without getting actively involved in the fight. What's that in her hand? A joke vote! She still holds onto it at this point despite serious discussion clearly on the table.

##Unvote, ##Vote: Mode

SWAN DIVE! Into Post #3, where the mod says "several newbies", unquestionably indicating that there are, indeed, multiple new players. The ladies love a player that reads well. They also love a player that uses their vote, as well as one that doesn't let up with existing pressure votes when their target has yet to respond. Pesco needs to step his game up if he wants to get the ladies, because he's not doing any of these.

[Ouja]

@Kuruminut: You voted me for saying third on the wagon is scum, Kuruminut. You are now saying third on the wagon deserves chiding. Why?

~*~sarcasm tags~*~

You chide me for voting GODrake. The person you are voting is GODrake. What am I missing? I'm missing an alternative.

Originally it was a question to point out Drake being inconsistent in his suspicion, as evidenced by your lack of reasoning to vote him yet his insistence that you had the BEST REASONS OF ALL.

Are you suggesting I should ignore bad votes because they're on the person I'm currently voting?

@Slabes: There was little to go on at the time. It's natural people don't have a lot to say at game start. Telling people to go scumhunt is superfluous right now because there is little scum to see for all there is to hunt. Given the alternatives, voting GODrake takes point.

I still don't see a reason why voting GODrake takes point.

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Look at Drake. Now back at Donut. Now back at Drake. Now back at Donut. Sadly, I suspect this to be a town vs. town argument.

I'm leaning that way too.  --RELATED NOTE TO BE GIVEN LATER--

##Unvote: Drake
##Vote: Kilga

[Decade]

@Kuruminut: Between your last post and now this post, nothing changed from Drake's side. Why do you suddenly think he's town in a town vs town argument now?

[Ouja]

SWAN DIVE! Into Post #3, where the mod says "several newbies", unquestionably indicating that there are, indeed, multiple new players. The ladies love a player that reads well. They also love a player that uses their vote, as well as one that doesn't let up with existing pressure votes when their target has yet to respond. Pesco needs to step his game up if he wants to get the ladies, because he's not doing any of these.

Are you suggesting Pesco is one of the new players?  I doubt he is.

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@Kuruminut: Between your last post and now this post, nothing changed from Drake's side. Why do you suddenly think he's town in a town vs town argument now?

Post frequency.

[Kiva-la]

Look at my post. Now back at Post 55, where Pesco says "Note that there are may be more than one [newbie]". This line is not the smell of a man that reads. Look at Post 3. Now back at 55. Now back at 3. There is no question that there is more than one newbie in this game.

[Decade]

@Kuruminut: Explain.

[Ouja]

@Kuruminut: Explain.

Scum have a harder time making lots of contentposts in a row.  It can be done but not easily.

You're overdue for telling us why you're voting Drake in particular.

[Punch Hopper]

I was just posting the bit at the end of my last post to make sure nobody forgets that there might be more than 1 newbie. From Purvis' post, its obvious that there is more than 1 now.

From Drake's posts, I think he is just a townie who gathered the wrong kind of attention,and Kuruminut happened to jump on him. Kilga I think is trying to feed fuel to the fire between the 2. Kilga jumps into the bandwagon, makes makes some weak arguments (weaker than usual anyway) and doesn't explain why voting Drake out is top priority. Feels pretty scummy to me.

##Kilgajesus

[Punch Hopper]

##Vote Kilgajesus

My bad, was typing quickly.

[Decade]

@Kuruminut: Why are Drake's posts contentposts now, but not before?

@Pescohax: Did I ever say "vote him out"? I said voting him was the best thing on the table. There are no alternatives to me. I earnestly believe that Drake has done nothing to add to scumhunting. Telling people to scumhunt right at the ending stages of RVS is faking participation. It's better to pile on someone and create discussion than to tell people to scumhunt and stifle discussion, or try and make them screw up by fakehunting.

[Ouja]

@Kuruminut: Why are Drake's posts contentposts now, but not before?

The idea is that he could keep up a running argument. 

Looking back at it I might be letting him off easily though :\  But we can come back to him if needs be.

You keep talking about "alternatives".  What do you mean when you say "there are no alternatives to me"?

[Sasword]

But well, Drake, I had a third vote given to me by Violentia on the first page without reasoning (which I think it's fine), but why didn't you raise this over that?  Not likely to explain much, since they're the same person, but you're going to have to do more than just implicating people as scum for suspecting you.

We were still in RVS at that point so I was still being tolerant of joke reasonings, and I saw something more questionable in Pesco's post preceding mine that I felt was worth a serious vote.

Also not moving my vote off Wrathie currently because his last two posts failed to back up his accusations of me 'cheerleading'.

Telling people to scumhunt right at the ending stages of RVS is faking participation. It's better to pile on someone and create discussion than to tell people to scumhunt and stifle discussion, or try and make them screw up by fakehunting.

You really think i've been trying to stifle discussion all this time? I'm frankly amazed that there's such a fuss over the fact I told someone there's scumhunting to do. Context is key here. What I saw in Val's vote post was nothing more than a randomvote with an offhand comment of 'there's nothing better to do'. Replying to that with 'there's scumhunting to do' was my way of saying  'it's time get serious now, RVS is over'.



So... how long after the prod do Sana/Alice have, anyway? It's been what, almost 36 hours since the start of the game and they haven't posted yet?

[Decade]

@Kuru: I mean what I say. He's the best thing I've seen so far. The other cases are dull and uninteresting, or in the case of Pescohax and Easy Modo, it's not worse than what's already on the table. Or, I guess Pesco has given us something now, and it fails to impress. I obviously disagree that I am trying to fuel a fire here.

@GODrake: Then you should say it that way.

##Unvote
##Vote: Pescohax

Why the delay in jumping on me? I made my voting reasons known before you said a thing, but you didn't respond to them until just now. What was the point of your post before that, and why did you not analyze the situation at that time?

[Ryuki]

God damn, I feel like everyone is speaking a foreign language this game.

So, Trance does something idiot town and drops out. Eve drops a punishing vote for it, and also drops out. Wrathie defends Trance's right to be an idiot, since it's obvious he's new. Drake then suspects Wrathie, and then a pointless argument occurs where Wrathie and Donut throw random day one scumhunting buzzwords at Drake who ends up having to throw them back since there's not much else you can use for defense on day one.

The worst part is, in this entire scenario, Eve is probably the most scummy out of everyone I mentioned so far.

but you're [GODrake] going to have to do more than just implicating people as scum for suspecting you.

To be fair to Drake here, at the time he made his claim that one of them were scum, no one else was discussing anything. There was nothing to pin on others then.

Easy modo and Pesco are both policy lynch worthy. Mode failed to add anything insight worthy, and failed ven harder to mention other people in his post. He's still hanging onto his jokevote.

Pesco comes off much worse. He leaves his vote off, which helps nothing. He reports useless information others have already known and discussed (That Trance is likely a newbie) and he even goes as far as cheerleading Drake's suggestion that one of Wrathie or Donut are scum by suggesting they both could be. I can't possibly see what use that last part could be except for a hopeful prod for unnecessary lynches.
##Vote: Pescohax

Kilga already caught this himself, but it's also weirdly annoying how Pesco suddenly had an opinion on Kilgamayan's vote when he didn't during the post I talked about above. I'd like to see an explanation for this.

[Skull]

tl:dr I vote Eve, could change to kilga, pesco, or mode but we still got jikan. !planation to drake is below.

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lets see here. time to type by impulse. *sip* feels good mang. here we go.

page 2... *chug* page 3, lol twitter post at the top. admit it, its clever. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAa! *chug*

Kilga heyzeus: you look fishy cuz you just lazily add on to the bandwagon, no personal input of ur own. you didnt really need to add your vote when nuttynut and i already had points you could expand on. really, whats the diff between 2 votes and 3 votes outta 7? thats the shameless bandwagonning ebil claims trancy was doing, but blatantly wors.

yo pruvis dawg, i finally kno what your talking about. friend of mine linked it to me. fucking grover is hilarious. wish i knew about it before. *chug* im rueing that im out of sour apple pucker. my next drink is gonna be just glenlivit and cranberry and its not gonna be as pleasant.

i dun care about nebiews, only bewbies. and catching scum.

oh good, the part i knew i had to type about. drake: to start, the ebil post was bad. not good. check the timestamp. 6 mins after trancy's vote is ebil one's. *chug* yaaa.... 6 mins. and vote reason is blanket statement about shameless badnwagon hop WIDTHOUT opinion on weather (hee hee intentional type-o go!), trance was being scummy or if it could habv been a townie mistake. evey is too knee-jerk in that post. i wish she would jerk.... uh... nvm. can the mod ban me for sexual harrassment? *sip* so yea, how does this apply to you drake? after donut's vote on you, i followed his lead a bit. your statement about me in numero 47 about evey having one of the better serious votes along with not pressing too hard on either thing was enough to make my vote on yu serious. thats what i think of about you cheerleading. i dun think you looked at the bigger picture about teh ebil one. care to disagree? *sip*

debonair inane genius: dull and uninteresting cases doesn't mean not worth pursing.

it's alice! *sip* *read* looks like the real alice too! jerk, stop lurking and then writing decent posts which in no way lessens the suspicion around you because it's the lurkaholic speaking. At least it gives you a pass from the Lurkaholics Anonymous League (LAL). i obv like the evey point. pity you didn't vote on it.

done. no, not with the post. with my drink. brb, refill.

ok lesse. well, the case on #drakeforpromqueen is still possible, but more likely i will leave it alone for today. people not as interested in crowning drakey queenie.

##Unvote: GODrake
##Vote: Eve L. Duehr

Yea, I claim first vote on evey. im really not that drunk rgiht now, just loose. so i don't feel like racking my brain to cue up a shot at any of the ⑨ balls out there in kilgy-poo, pesky pesco, kimoi easy modo, or whoever else. theyre fair targets, but not want to think about if they're a correct target yet.

*chug* oh. i think i'll add the tl:dr part at the beginning. ZOOOM!

[Den-O]

Awake and back by popular demand!

tl;dr:

* ##Unvote since start-game silliness ended.
* FoS: Kuruminut for double standard in regards to trying to get a Drake lynch train going and then quickly trying to jump on the Kilga one.
* ##Vote: Valentia really :|-worthy defense of Donut's antics; not posting anything actually serious so far, deliberately trying to zoom around under the radar.
* Don't think Drake is scum atm. I don't think Kilga is either.
* If you're going to hop on a bandwagon at least give it some thought and try and make it a productive thing rather than happy-go-lucky hoppage. (Kilga was totally straightforward with this.)
* Seriously these posting styles jaiodfjklasdjfiafjdkaldsf

PS: e we

Analyzing the post train:

RVS (whatever that means - random vote shit?) ended here:

##Unvote
##Vote: Violentia

Third on the train is scum.

<NeoSerela>Fix'd that code for you :3

This is followed up by Donut:

Actually I'm not sure if Pesco was referring to the thread as a whole or Sana Spice, but either way, it's not like he's adding anything.

Before I go there, though, I'm more sure of the "third on the train" argument being more likely to be made by scum than Town.
##Unvote: Alice
##Vote: Kilga

Come on, DRAW VOTE WITH ME

Underlined sentence arguably sounds like the very same thing he votes Drake for a few posts later:

"There's scumhunting to do, so chop chop!" sounds like a cheesy attempt to goad people into action without actually feeling that urgency yourself - like "you do it; I'll play activity police".  I mean really, "chop chop"?  At least Ha ha, old chap! is fashionable.  Chop chop just sounds forced.

I 100% agree with Wrathie about Trance.  He's an easy target Eve picked out for an equally easy vote.  We've already been warned that there are a bunch of newbies running around this game, and Trance is basically confirmed newb.

Cheesy third vote reasoning too.

Wrathie's posting style is amazing.  I read his posts twice because... let's leave that sentence there, actually.

You're not exempt from your own flimsy reasoning.

##vote Kilga

What the shit bandwagon hop?

##vote kilga

sure why not not like i have much else to do~

guysssssss we ended the random voting shit as soon as someone pulled out '3rd is scum' theory

(and tbf at least in my mafia experience, 3rd is scum is usually pulled out by town, but I could be leagues under others here)

Seeing as you just made the third vote on Kilga and we already have serious votes on the table, I'd like to see better justification than 'I have nothing better to do'. There's scumhunting to do, so chop chop.

Also, seriously raising an eyebrow at Wrathie defending Trance there. Why, when it's one of the better serious votes on the table right now?

Totally coherent post; provokes Donut suddenly dropping off the Kilga bandwagon and attacking Drake with a very flimsy case  that he just used himself (see previous post).

Ya rly. We're past RVS at this point so I expect people to have a little more backing their vote than 'why not'.

Also, I think somewhere in that fluffy mess of a post I saw you accusing me of cheerleading. How what why? Who exactly was I cheering on? Are you sure you know what it means to cheerlead in a mafia sense?

Former: Agree.

Latter: This is still unanswered (at least in any way I can make sense of). I can't find 'cheerleading' in the context of Mafia save for a 'how to have a successful cheerleading audition' in the Mafiascum Strategy Guides. ( :| ) So please answer this.

This is followed by the following exchange:

So let me get this straight.. you're voting me because I chided someone for providing 0 explanation for their bandwagon vote, and because I said "Chop chop"? :/ Or is it because I questioned Wrathie's defense?

All of the above and a little more! :3

wrathie's vote was already on you long before the post you linked.
This post doesn't say anything about Kilga, who was ~*~third on your wagon~*~ for no particularly explicit reason.   Why not chide him?

Former: While Day1 is unusual in the grand scheme of building cases, one should at least attempt to put themselves out there.

Otherwise: I agree with Drake's response to this (lost the post this is getting long orz). Kilga is trying to at least get some discussion going; he isn't acting suspicious and hypocritical about it, either.

Humz,

Well my joke was for a hellofit to begin with. not like there was many talking going on but oh well.

Drake's so far, "give a reason" for voting really seems like a taunt everyone to begin talking and throwing random accusations around when drawing attention to himself seems odd.

What sort of reason did i have to vote kilga other than that "Bandwagon" vote being tossed around over and over.

if i had a reason i would obviously explain myself and why i chose that person to be lynched~
##Unvote kilga
##vote GODrake

This whole thing is followed up by Valentia defending Donut's flimsy case using the same double standard. Also further inconspicuous crowd-surfing of doom.

[Den-O]

* FoS: Kuruminut for double standard in regards to trying to get a Drake lynch train going and then quickly trying to jump on the Kilga one.

I should clarify here; 'double standard' is regarding the 'lol Drake is obv. trying to herd people' (heavily paraphrased) thing that he seems to try to seriously pull off with half-arsed arguments (and shady backup) without anyone noticing that he's just as guilty of it.

Main reason I'm FoSing instead of voting is because Valentia bugs me more (unrelated to the 'V3 is scum' thing) and because really when you come down to it, even if Kuruminut tried to pull the same thing Drake supposedly did, both of the justifications are just so bad it's just not worth pursuing in comparison to other potential cases.

[Punch Hopper]

Why the delay in jumping on me? I made my voting reasons known before you said a thing, but you didn't respond to them until just now. What was the point of your post before that, and why did you not analyze the situation at that time?

I could ask the same for you. You made a post just after mine, and then afterwards, you jump on me. Guess we both have slow minds when trying to analyze everything.

If you want me to repost my reason for jumping, here:

There really isn't a whole lot of "scumhunting" to be done with so little on the table, and GODrake looks suspect as a result.

Telling people to go scumhunt is superfluous right now because there is little scum to see for all there is to hunt. Given the alternatives, voting GODrake takes point.

As I said in the other post, weak argument that feels like you are trying to hide the fact that you are jumping onto the wagon.

[Ouja]

and then a pointless argument occurs where Wrathie and Donut throw random day one scumhunting buzzwords at Drake who ends up having to throw them back since there's not much else you can use for defense on day one.

Aside from not seeing any buzzwords in my posts, I can't really take this seriously coming from someone who said "policy lynch" later in the same post.  Never mind that policy lynches aren't for people who are experienced and holding back.

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@Mode:  I get the impression that you're tunneled, or at least began your case with the end in mind.  I'll answer this, since you're up in arms about it--

Come on, DRAW VOTE WITH ME

There's scumhunting to do, so chop chop!

These aren't saying the same thing.  The first is an obvious call to bandwagon.  The second is an obvious call to "scumhunt", whatever that means when you're tearing down the first attempt at a non-joke bandwagon.  They're both attempts to "herd" people, sure, but at least I could tell you what I wanted done.

Also, summary wallposts aren't cool.  They don't tell me much because I read the topic, and they slow me down from seeing that you didn't say anything about Pesco.

I can't find 'cheerleading' in the context of Mafia save for a 'how to have a successful cheerleading audition' in the Mafiascum Strategy Guides. ( :| )

I've got to find that one
I think cheerleading here is meant to mean the same thing as egging on a fight you're not in.  It's kind of like taking a side, except without being remembered much later as taking a side and without having to put out any effort to support that side.

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A while ago I said that the Drake vs. me fight was more likely Town vs. Town.  The related note that I obviously hinted at was that I suspected that me vs. Kilga was too, but I wanted to look into it.  We're running out of time, so I may as well drop that for Today.  Basically I agree with Wrathie--

tl:dr I vote Eve, could change to kilga, pesco, or mode

but probably swapping Kilga to Alice and Pesco<->Eve.

Posting basic reasons why because I know I'm going to be OMGscummy OMGtyingmyselftowrathie if I don't--
**Eve's vote was opportunistic.  I'm really not liking the idea of lynching someone who has made one scummy post early in the game and then vanished, though, at least not today.
**Pesco artlessly dodged out of his insinuation that me and Wrathie could be scum together through a technicality.  His next post gives a more or less precise version of what I had just gotten done saying with a Kilgavote.  Post 82 reminds me of why I didn't like Kilga in the first place, but given Kilga's rigid "no alternatives" PoV I'm more inclined to say Pesco still looks worse.
**Mode has probably been here more or less the whole time but only posted nonpassively because he was starting to come under fire.  Point on Valentia aside, I'm not a fan of the catch-up post and not just because I'm the one targeted by it.
**Alicepost is very Alice-like.  One post, expertly timed, mostly factually correct, intelligent-sounding.  That's obviously not going to get lynched today but I don't trust it.
**The point on Valentia coasting isn't terrible but I think it would be better to wait until Tomorrow to see if anything redeeming comes out.
**I still don't feel great about Kilga but I don't think I'm on the right track.

##Unvote: Kilga
##Vote: Pesco
Three votes on Pescoh4x.

[Decade]

@Pescohax: Trying to make it seem as if we're the same is cute, but misguided. The post in question has you unvote Sana, and then iterate that there are newbies in the game. You do not participate in the game until your next post, which is a repeat that there are newbies, and then finally an opinion on the current happenings. I'll note this line in particular:

makes some weak arguments (weaker than usual anyway)

Using meta in an anonymous game is bad form, but using it as a reason for supporting one of your major reasons for voting me makes it look more scummy than just bad form.

I concentrated on GODrake until I felt that he no longer warranted my concentration. This is unlike taking focus off everyone, making an empty and meaningless post, and then make a vote.

[Den-O]

@Donut: Yeah, stuff came up while going through it all. :ohdear: And well, if you don't like the post, that's life, I still think the past reasonings were bad + Valentia deserves an investigation.

Do I really need to restate that Trance and Pesco aren't doing anything, though? And where did Sana go?

[Ouja]

Do I really need to restate that Trance and Pesco aren't doing anything, though? And where did Sana go?

Why are you lumping Trance, Pesco, and Sana together?  One of these things is not like the others.

Do you suspect Sana or Trance at all?

[Serela]

Whatever, votecount time!

Alice Boofybofh (0): Kuruminut
Kuruminut (0): Kilgajesus
Slabes (0): GODrake, Eve L. Duehr, Violentia, HoboverlordPurvis
Omega Wrathie (1): Slabes, GODrake
HoboverlordPurvis (0): Easy Modo
GODrake (1): Omega Wrathie, Kuruminut, Kilgajesus, Violentia
Violentia (1): Kilgajesus, Slabes, Easy Modo
Sana Spice (0): Pescohax
Pescohax (3): GODrake, Kilgajesus, Alice Boofybarn, Kuruminut
Kilgajesus (3): Kuruminut, TranceTheHime, Violentia, Slabes, Pescohax
TranceTheHime (1): Eve L. Deuhr
Easy Modo (1): HoboverlordPurvis
Eve L. Duehr (1): Omega Wrathie

Not Voting: Sana Spice

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are around 18 hours left in the day.

Eve L. Duehr has been prodded. Sana Spice will be modkilled if (s)he doesn't do something significant by the end of the day.

[Ouja]

Wrathie is voting Eve.

[Serela]

Wrathie is voting Eve.

k fix'd