Author Topic: Black Stories ~ Touhou Edition - Case 20: Down to the bottom of Misty Lake!  (Read 70495 times)

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #270 on: January 26, 2010, 01:35:55 PM »
Was she actually feeling joy when she threw herself in front of the car?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #271 on: January 26, 2010, 02:20:12 PM »
Did she suicide to help someone?

Was any proposal involved?

Was the other person a close friend?

Did the other person have business with the girl?
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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #272 on: January 26, 2010, 06:50:30 PM »
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I'm try investigating that traumatic experience...
Which is a good thing to do, let me tell you that.

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Did she saw something die?
Possibly YES

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Did she suffer physical pain?
YES

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Did she suffer mentally?
Possibly YES

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Was the person that mislead her about the taste relevant to this experience?
YES

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Did she suicide to help someone?
NO

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Was any proposal involved?
NO

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Was the other person a close friend?
NO

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Did the other person have business with the girl?
NO

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Was she actually feeling joy when she threw herself in front of the car?
NO

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #273 on: January 26, 2010, 06:58:53 PM »
Was the other person the chef who cooked the steak beforehand?

Had she ever been to the restaurant before?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #274 on: January 26, 2010, 07:02:55 PM »
Did she incorrectly believe that she was going to die after tasting the steak?

Was the expected death in such a way that she would rather just throw herself in front of a car than let it happen?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #275 on: January 26, 2010, 07:08:29 PM »
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Was the other person the chef who cooked the steak beforehand?
NO

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Had she ever been to the restaurant before?
IRRELEVANT

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Did she incorrectly believe that she was going to die after tasting the steak?
NO

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Was the expected death in such a way that she would rather just throw herself in front of a car than let it happen?
See above. NO.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #276 on: January 26, 2010, 07:21:30 PM »
Was this traumatic experience within the last few years?

Did it occur while she was a child?

Was she at one point forced to eat an iguana in order to survive?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #277 on: January 26, 2010, 07:47:22 PM »
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Was this traumatic experience within the last few years?
UNKNOWN. But it may help you to assume that.

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Did it occur while she was a child?
NO. See above.

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Was she at one point forced to eat an iguana in order to survive?
NO

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #278 on: January 26, 2010, 08:19:10 PM »
Had she met the other person before entering the restaurant?

Is this person connected to the previous traumatic experience?

Was she the only person to undergo this experience?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #279 on: January 26, 2010, 08:25:17 PM »
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Had she met the other person before entering the restaurant?
YES

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Is this person connected to the previous traumatic experience?
YES

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Was she the only person to undergo this experience?
NO

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #280 on: January 26, 2010, 09:56:33 PM »
Was the woman a part of a cult?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #281 on: January 26, 2010, 10:45:06 PM »
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Was the woman a part of a cult?
NO

It seems you are sincerely stuck here, my dear players.
As such, I offer you my assistance.
If you wish for it, I may point you to one of the questions already asked which may help you if you just modify it a bit.
Answer if you want me to do that, or take what I just said as a hint in itself, it is up to you to decide.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2010, 10:50:15 PM by Sakana »

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #282 on: January 26, 2010, 11:08:20 PM »
Hm, before you give a clue let me take a stab at this one.

The girl in question was orphaned after the tragic lost of a family member. In her youth her parental figure would always bring her to this restaurant so they could eat this meal together. The parental figure always stated how the steak was always the best here and how the recipe hasn't changed since she was a child. She then came to this restaurant to once again eat the meal that was the only reminder of her parental figure that she had left. After she ate the food she noticed that the steak tasted nothing like what it used to. After confirming that indeed the recipe had been changed she had nothing left to remind her of her family. Being mentally unstable she threw herself into traffic in a state of grief/distress.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #283 on: January 26, 2010, 11:42:49 PM »
Did the other person eat an Iguana before?

If so, was this Iguana in steak form?
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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #284 on: January 27, 2010, 01:15:58 AM »
Did the other person eat an Iguana before?

If so, was this Iguana in steak form?
Both answered, both no.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #285 on: January 27, 2010, 07:28:34 AM »
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The girl in question was orphaned after the tragic lost of a family member. In her youth her parental figure would always bring her to this restaurant so they could eat this meal together. The parental figure always stated how the steak was always the best here and how the recipe hasn't changed since she was a child. She then came to this restaurant to once again eat the meal that was the only reminder of her parental figure that she had left. After she ate the food she noticed that the steak tasted nothing like what it used to. After confirming that indeed the recipe had been changed she had nothing left to remind her of her family. Being mentally unstable she threw herself into traffic in a state of grief/distress.

NO. A truly beautiful theory I admit, but alas, it is not the one you are looking for.

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Did the other person eat an Iguana before?

If so, was this Iguana in steak form?

Both answered, both no.
I think they were not answered before, as NeoGenesis is asking for the other person, not for the girl. The answer for the other person would be IRRELEVANT.


As for giving a clue, let me offer you another idea:
You would probably not like me giving a too strong hint, so I thought about the following:

Only for today, until midnight (maybe longer, if need arises), I will allow for a change of perspective.
That means you may, if you want, question the girl directly the same way you usually question me.
To do this, state the question you want to ask the girl in orange
I will then answer in orange from the girls perspective at the time right after she tasted the steak, shortly before the suicide.

Once again, you may use what I offer, or you may take it as a hint in itself (which it is). Good luck.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #286 on: January 27, 2010, 08:30:09 AM »
Is the person relevant to her suicide still alive?

Did the person relevant to her suicide harm her in anyway in the past.

Was there anything out of the ordinary with the steak. This doesn't mean poison. It means was there anything different about this steak compared to the others made that day.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2010, 09:08:00 AM by Xijiy »

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #287 on: January 27, 2010, 08:30:53 AM »
Was the experience involved with an iguana?
Was the iguana eaten in the experience?
Did the girl know the iguana before this?
Was there guns involved with the experience?

Are you in fear?
Was there anything unusual about the colour of the steak?
If you knew what you'd taste after eating the steak, would you still eat it?


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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #288 on: January 27, 2010, 08:52:27 AM »
I've heard this one before, so I worry it might be a little unfair of me to answer, but some questions in the right direction (if I do, in fact, have the right idea for the answer):

Did the girl think she'd eaten iguana before?
Had she actually eaten iguana before?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #289 on: January 27, 2010, 09:24:28 AM »
Thanks Arashi I think that might have been the little nudge I needed. Though I'm still a bit unclear on some of the specifics I'm going to take a stab at it.

In the past this girl must have had an abusive parent or parental guardian that took care of her. Then one day she saw her family pet rather beaten up and or close to death and the parent said they were going to take it to the vet to get put down. Instead what the parent did was kill the family pet and instead feed it to the daughter calling it iguana steak. So then the girl goes over to restaurant, orders, steak, has a bite. Her memory of the event comes to her when she tastes the steak...It doesn't take her long to figure out that what she ate all those years ago wasn't iguana at all. Panicked and distressed, the girl runs outside and jumps into traffic to escape the pain.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #290 on: January 27, 2010, 12:03:21 PM »
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Is the person relevant to her suicide still alive?
IRRELEVANT

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Did the person relevant to her suicide harm her in anyway in the past.
NO

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Was there anything out of the ordinary with the steak. This doesn't mean poison. It means was there anything different about this steak compared to the others made that day.
NO

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Was the experience involved with an iguana?
NO

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Was the iguana eaten in the experience?
NO

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Did the girl know the iguana before this?
NO

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Was there guns involved with the experience?
NO

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Are you in fear?
Was there anything unusual about the colour of the steak?
If you knew what you'd taste after eating the steak, would you still eat it?

NO, it's not really fear that I'm feeling. It's something different.
NO. The steak looked normal I think.
NO. If I knew what I would taste, I wouldn't eat it.


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Did the girl think she'd eaten iguana before?
YES

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Had she actually eaten iguana before?
NO.
Good job, Lady Arashi.
This was exactly the question I was waiting for. It was also the reason I implemented the 'ask the girl' system.
If it is done like this, I do not mind people who know the solution helping the others whe they're stuck.


As the relevant question has been asked, asking the girl is no longer permitted. I will send her consciousness back to the netherwolrd, so she will not answer any more questions.

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In the past this girl must have had an abusive parent or parental guardian that took care of her. Then one day she saw her family pet rather beaten up and or close to death and the parent said they were going to take it to the vet to get put down. Instead what the parent did was kill the family pet and instead feed it to the daughter calling it iguana steak. So then the girl goes over to restaurant, orders, steak, has a bite. Her memory of the event comes to her when she tastes the steak...It doesn't take her long to figure out that what she ate all those years ago wasn't iguana at all. Panicked and distressed, the girl runs outside and jumps into traffic to escape the pain.
NO. Only the parts from 'It doesn't take her long to realize...' onwards are correct.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #291 on: January 27, 2010, 12:21:23 PM »
Well then let me have a guess...

The girl was once a victim of a ship wreck. She and some other passengers on the ship were fortunately washed up onto a shore of a deserted island in the middle of nowhere. Unfortunately, they had no food source/they ate everything/etc. Desperate, one passenger had secretly killed another passenger for his meat, and lied to the others that the meat was from an iguana he killed on the island. Naturally, the girl ate this meat with everyone else without much thought.
Eventually, they were saved, and the girl went to have a steak of iguana meat some day later, when she realised that the steak tasted nothing like what she tasted back at the island! She quickly concluded that she had ate the meat of a fellow passenger, and suicided.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2010, 12:24:29 PM by Thaws »

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #292 on: January 27, 2010, 12:26:35 PM »
CASE SOLVED!
Enough details have been uncovered and brought into connection to declare this case as solved. Please wait a bit for
post-game summary.


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The girl was once a victim of a ship wreck. She and some other passengers on the ship were fortunately washed up onto a shore of a deserted island in the middle of nowhere. Unfortunately, they had no food source/they ate everything/etc. Desperate, one passenger had secretly killed another passenger for his meat, and lied to the others that the meat was from an iguana he killed on the island. Naturally, the girl ate this meat with everyone else without much thought.
Eventually, they were saved, and the girl went to have a steak of iguana meat some day later, when she realised that the steak tasted nothing like what she tasted back at the island! She quickly concluded that she had ate the meat of a fellow passenger, and suicided.

YES

Slightly different from my card version again, but the details are neglectable.


The girl had survived a ship wreck and was washed ashore on an island.
As she was seriously injured, the other surviving passengers gave her water and meat.
When she asked for the source of the meat, they told her they had hunted tow big iguana.
After the survivors were saved, every pain was forgotten.

Until the day the girl went to the exotic restaurant.
She wanted to try once again the meat of an iguana that had saved her life.
After the first bite she realized that it had not been iguana meat that she had been eating,
but the flesh of the corpses that had been washed ashore.
Filled with horror, she suicided.

Ah, it was a long struggle, and it needed some help, but finally this riddle was solved as well.
Let me tell you that this one exists in variations, so if anyone ever tells you a similar riddle with penguin meat, you will now know the answer.
There were a lot of times when you were asking in the right direction,
but the questions always missed the perspective of the girl.
It was relevant to find out that she assumed she had done something when she actually hadn't.
This is another valuable lesson for many riddles:
Take the perspective of the people in it and try to make their views clear.

Well, my dear players
I shall once again grant you a little break after this hard task.
The next few riddles I choose will probably be some less difficult ones.
Expect a new one tonight, in about six or seven hours.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2010, 12:38:59 PM by Sakana »

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #293 on: January 27, 2010, 01:04:55 PM »
Ack, and I was thinking of asking whether the girl had eaten something considered taboo previously. Well, serves me right for not asking questions.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #294 on: January 27, 2010, 01:14:25 PM »
Ack, and I was thinking of asking whether the girl had eaten something considered taboo previously. Well, serves me right for not asking questions.
Happens. Sometimes you got the right idea and only find out it would have been right afterwards.
Don't worry, there's still more than enough games to play for everyone to ask lots of questions. (remember I said I have 50 cases, you have solved 4 so far  ;D)

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #295 on: January 27, 2010, 03:25:00 PM »
Fok damn! Well played with that one.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 4: Exotic Meal
« Reply #296 on: January 27, 2010, 07:20:35 PM »
Alright, Ladies and Gentlemen,
The break is over,
so let us continue swiftly on to the next riddle.
The one I have chosen next is of low difficulty,
I expect it to be solved in a flash.



Fifth Case: Elevator and Stairs
After he killed his wife with a knife, he took the elevator from the seventh floor to the first floor.
There he realized that he had forgotten the murder weapon at the scene.
So he took the elevator to the third floor and walked the other four floors up to his flat.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 5: Elevator and Stairs
« Reply #297 on: January 27, 2010, 07:44:10 PM »
Was the man REALLY REALLY short?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 5: Elevator and Stairs
« Reply #298 on: January 27, 2010, 07:51:16 PM »
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Was the man REALLY REALLY short?
Seems you won't disappoint me about solving it fast. YES

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 5: Elevator and Stairs
« Reply #299 on: January 27, 2010, 07:52:07 PM »
All yours theshim.