baity...force generating discussion is NOT a pro town thing to do. It prevents the natural fuck up that invariably happens from happening.
Honestly, I have to reread your earlier post, baity. I skimmed it and it didn't seem to address much. But I made a critical mistake. I read it assuming you were scum. I'm going to reread it when I finish this post.
@UK: This post is pure IIoA. You've done a nice job summarizing the game, but there is no analysis in this post whatsoever. So what was the point of poasting it in the first place?
No, actually, it has questions, accusations, and analysis. Please demonstrate how it is IIoA?
In fact...it quite isn't. Yes, there is some summary, but at least half of it is clarifications being asked for and overall poking.
. I extremely dislike UK's method of posting which is very strongly IIoA.
More proof?
The rest of your post is fine and valid though. Well, I disagree on Baity though. He's not a noob, as he admitted himself.
Finally, I can't help the way I post when I have 2-3 pages to catch up with every time I log on. Deal.
@ UK: Which and why of Rou's points are the good ones and which ones are bad? Lay them out in chronological order for me, Rou should do it too (which ones are the good ones in his opinion).
I'll have to reread it. Expect it in a post after this one since that's when I'm doing the "Posts I should reread thing"
@ Alice: You've already addressed UK's lack of content and lurkers. I find her post to KY about coaching quite silly as that's exactly what she's doing herself. Edible has pulled a clean fence sit with his post, also adding nothing to the pot. Baity and KY's responses have been all round unsatisfactory. KY doing a lot of piggybacking and no independent posting (i.e. without prompting). Baity lacking sensible replies. Mr Alert needs to post more than asking what FPMH is.
I guess I can see this, but I disagree. Kanguya is new enough so he probably doesn't understand how posting town lists can be scummy. Hell, even the old dogs do it, so it's hard to see why someone would get flack for it. While it seemed like coaching, it was also putting the point against him. He hasn't done enough else that I've noticed for me to consider him scum. Apparently, I've been missing something though as I read on he seems to be being poked a lot. I'll reread him as well.
I still desire proof on "lack of content"
For a second lynch, UK looks like a good avenue, outlined above.
Funny, either you or Rou do in my book. I'm leaning you, actually, since you are basically trying to hang me on two points, one of which not sufficiently proven.
@UK: Hey now I resent being told that gaming the setup's bad, it's won games in the past. Early day one, nothing else to do, at least it's something to talk about.
It's also lost them. Either way, it wasn't so much we were playing "Game the set up", it was more "We are ONLY playing game the set up, and no one is doing much in the way of scumhunting"
@Everyone: Do people write these walls because they think they're obligated to, or because they don't realise how horribly painful they are to read? For god's sake, there's not even that much to talk about!
I have an excuse. Easiest way to do 3 pages of catch up
-Make myself look so much like scum, that you'll waver it off, because nobody plays like that... (save for me in this game, I hope) >_>
-From that, survive lynching round of D1 (very unlikely at this point).
-Survive N1.
-...(insert future plan here). Hopefully, I get to pull something out at this point.
You are trying to be too scummy to be scum? OH I wish I had two votes right now, so I could use them both on you.
To explain the first point, allow me to retaliate with, "Why would it be beneficial for a scum to put themselves upfront like this?" (i.e. why would a scum member make themselves look scummy?)
For the exact reason you said. So we'll wave it off.
Alice once again makes a good post. And says what I was thinking better than I did.
And...pesco points out something I missed.
Wait, you pointed out why it was anti town and didn't vote Baity, Alice?
I never claimed he voted Baity based on 2d6, I got mad at him when he pointed it out later. Why does a point have to be presented at the start of the case to be flawed?
Then I misunderstood. I apologize. It goes back to pesco then 
If the typical 'no roles with lynch as win condition' rule was there I'd have given it no further thought, but it was conspicuously missing so I panicked. I apologise.
OH NOES! APOLOGETIC MOE! RUUUUUN!
Seriously, there isn't much else you can say on that. I'm not sure how to take it but it's not a major point.
As for the self vote being a part of a master plan, just going to note it apparently was with Baity. You may have your facepalms at the ready.
Forgive me for finding it annoying when people have no objection to Pesco's ad-hominem attacks on me. Seriously, he's MotK's resident Draco in Leather Pants.
Um...I didn't? I did tell pesco to stop being a jerkass, and I told you to enumerate your case in a form that isn't a WoT. Please reply, over?
Some of Baity's points read null tell (as he says either town or scum could do it). He also brings up not playing other MotK games too much. They were just examples, not accusation of emulations. In fact, reading Baity's post closely, I don't see a single good point. All of it seems to revolve around "I didn't play or watch here" and "Pesco pushes people". I didn't see a good scumtell out of any of this.
Oh hey Rou, you said it better than I did 
...again
Here it is again - you say 'You look the most pro-town' and then say 'I'm withholding judgement'. If you say I look pro-town, doesn't that basically mean you disagree with the case against me?
Not to answer for him, but this is a misrep. He's saying you WOULD look protown...if you weren't tunneling pesco.
Ok...caught up. I will now reread KY, Baity's WoT, and Rou's WoT.
