Doctor Wars Mafia - Game Over

[ActionDan]

though I am surprised by the lack of announcement of Mylo, although it should be only pseudo-mylo,

BT, do you announce pseudo-mylo?

[BT]

No. I was about to comment that regardless of roles, I don't announce maybes, only the standard-issue lynch-and-nightkill *YLO.

[DNAbc]

you know what, i would buy sb claim over rai's, and i will want to really consider ad lynch

[ActionDan]

you know what, i would buy sb claim over rai's, and i will want to really consider ad lynch

stop it.  His claim is either bogus or he's a scum binary doc.  It's really obvious considering his actions.  I've just outlined a couple of blatant contradictions in my last 5 posts

[SB]

I didn't even had time to read the thread. By the time I checked the timer I had like 30 seconds to get to the thread, see who the wagon was and vote. And day 1 no lynches suck, I wasn't letting that happen if I could help it.

o yeah, I'm not limited shot. 

I can fire every night.

5/2
mislynch
misvig
mafkill
2/2, game over

confirmed scum.

[SB]

oh i missed the last page.

still think fullvig is far too swingy for this setup.

[SB]

@Mod, how would a Binary Doc interact with a BPV?

[ActionDan]

Dan is blatantly lying about being a vig. First off, it's ridiculously swingy to put a vig in a 9p likely 7/2 game because it means D2 is MYLO on a misfire, and secondly he's pushing me as scum because I'm not a corpse. Him being town relies on a couple of unlikely scenarios (scum having a redirect while town has a kill in a game this small, or scum having a doc or a bulletproof solely for the sake of dealing with a vig.) Second, if Dan was telling the truth about being a vig it would be MYLO today. I asked him if he was limited shot and he seems to have completely ignored that, but in that case it's more of him just adding to his claim as he goes along. You know, with him not even claiming vig outright at the start?

Also, assess all the claims as if they were in the game alone. BT said that the setup was kind of role-heavy in signups iirc and I was honestly expecting for there to be more roles than there actually seem to be.

On a misfire town would be in lylo sure, but the vig would be confirmed (if he survives) and get another shot off anyway, and both shots are equivalent to lynches but executed by a sole individual instead of the collective.  I'm pushing SB as scum because I thought he was scum D1 and I shot him for that reason and surviving the shot only would give further indication that he's scum plus the 'unlikely' scenario of scum having a protective role for a vig isn't unlikely at all, that's why scum would have a protective role (and raitaki's role could easily interplay with it as well, say, if scum had a binary doc of their own)

I'd also like to say that I am also a power role, and I'm doubtful of Dan's existance alongside it. Even Raikaria could be argued as a stretch.

This again makes little sense.  If anything, a binary-doc claim gives more credence to a vig claim and gives less credence to a BP claim due to a perceived overabundance of protective roles.

[BT]

@Mod, how would a Binary Doc interact with a BPV?

A BVP would be considered a role that protects itself. Meaning a Binary Doctor would cancel the protection.

[SB]

Multiple docs do not give more credibility to a vig claim. Multiple docs mean more power. The only part that makes me waver on it is that we have no info role.

Cut by BT, but regardless it's unlikely Raitaki's doc was there to fuck with a single BPV.

[ActionDan]

oh i missed the last page.

still think fullvig is far too swingy for this setup.

I didn't even had time to read the thread. By the time I checked the timer I had like 30 seconds to get to the thread, see who the wagon was and vote. And day 1 no lynches suck, I wasn't letting that happen if I could help it.

5/2
mislynch
misvig
mafkill
2/2, game over

confirmed scum.

Again, completely myopic thinking. in the absence of roles a town would have 3 mislynches before losing.  these would be equivalent to mislynch/mislynch/misvig.   Or if my shot had succeeded and been a mislynch:  less opportunity then mislynch/misfire/mislynch/misfire.

A BVP would be considered a role that protects itself. Meaning a Binary Doctor would cancel the protection.

plausibility of scum having this rises if Raikaria is town.

[ActionDan]

secondly no intent to explain why he voted Raitaki considering the above + why not protect the claimed confirmable power role.

HEY SB, GET TO EXPLAINING

[Raikaria]

A BVP would be considered a role that protects itself. Meaning a Binary Doctor would cancel the protection.

Which is exactly what I said. I said that if I was docced by Raitaki I would not be protected. My role specifically states I self-protect as my 'night action'.

[Serela]

can we talk about something that isn't role shenanigans

please

when SB or Dan or SOMEONE finally dies, all of the discussion used on whether their roles are more or less likely to exist becomes nearly useless for rereading to find scum... and whether or not the roles are plausible has received more than enough discussion already

I'm still trying to decide what I think about this whole thing, but all I have to look at is roles roles roles, and scum can play that as well as town... and the setup is weird unless you're both scum. :T That would make this amazingly hilarious.

[DNAbc]

what is more power SB, and precisely what powers do you believe scum has?

[ActionDan]

Ok serela why do you think SB voted Raitaki who had the same role as him even though he stated that doctor claims are likely to be town?

That's not roles roles roles.  That's someone contradicting themselves

[DNAbc]

serela just a friendly reminder but diff ppl stances on roles are useful scumtells, i personally do not consider some more corrwct than others, but those who try to WIFOM or drag the pointless roleshen discussions are obvious scums

[Raikaria]

OK here's the thing.

We can only lose tonight if Actiondan shoots.

Which cannot happen if we lynch Actiondan.

That said, I don't think town Actiondan is that stupid to shoot in this situation anyway...

Wouldn't be shocked in this sort of setup to have a mafia doc. Especially a mafia doc who can shut down other doctors when there's a Binary Doc who is shut down by other protection, a BPV who could be 'shut down' and a town Vig.

I mean, Scum Binary Doc isn't beyond the realm of possibility. Especially with a town 'Vig', whom the Binary Doc could protect his teammates from, BPV who counts as self-protecting and a town Binary Doc.

[Raikaria]

And yes I can see either SB or Dan being scum.

Also, Dan's shot could have been stopped by !scum Binary Doc.

Actually:

@Mod: Would a shot being saved by a Doctor result in a PM to the shooter saying their role failed?

[DNAbc]

I did the math and thought about this really seriously. Dan, you are the scum, well played.

##Vote: Actiondan

I agree with rai's analysis, and basically SB's claim too, I would rather buy 3 binary docs and BPV as opposed to vig

[DNAbc]

actually nvm waffles

##Unvote

[ActionDan]

Ok serela why do you think SB voted Raitaki who had the same role as him even though he stated that doctor claims are likely to be town?

I'd like everyone to consider this.  everyone is kind of ignoring this point which is scary.

...

Are.

you.

serious.

DN. 

Are you serious.

Go ahead. Enlighten me as to what the math says. Is it that the cross protection of 2 town binary docs + the BP make sense to you. And feel free to ignore the blatant scum motivation behind SB's raitaki vote.

[DNAbc]

i know so i retracted my vote
believe me when i said i am busy i am slewpt and has a large exam thing competition tomorrow which means i wont be there for next 20 hours or some thing

and i was cramming about astronomy and shit

anyway fuck this this is so stupid

[SB]

HEY SB, GET TO EXPLAINING

I didn't even had time to read the thread. By the time I checked the timer I had like 30 seconds to get to the thread, see who the wagon was and vote. And day 1 no lynches suck, I wasn't letting that happen if I could help it.

[BT]

@Mod: Would a shot being saved by a Doctor result in a PM to the shooter saying their role failed?

I'm gonna stop answering questions like these when there's no real urgency/importance to the question.

[Serela]

I don't know mods who send failure results when a doc stops the kill. Failure results mean you were roleblocked, generally. Doc stopping it is a successful use that didn't work for unknown reasons. Responding to Dan in a sec

[DNAbc]

*smashing the keyboard in frustration*

screw you all i am sleeping hopefully i will be able to think straighter with more neutrons☆

[ActionDan]

Okay SB you came back only in the nick of time to vote him with him claiming 1/2 hour before deadline within 8 min of you asking him to claim.

Now explain why you didn't protect me.

[SB]

can we talk about something that isn't role shenanigans

please

when SB or Dan or SOMEONE finally dies, all of the discussion used on whether their roles are more or less likely to exist becomes nearly useless for rereading to find scum... and whether or not the roles are plausible has received more than enough discussion already

I'm still trying to decide what I think about this whole thing, but all I have to look at is roles roles roles, and scum can play that as well as town... and the setup is weird unless you're both scum. :T That would make this amazingly hilarious.

I agree but like

You/Dan/Sky/NNR didn't exist for a lot of the day
I've already said what I disliked about DNA
Raikaria's D1 was essentially enforcing a policy lynch

Considering how shitty day 1 was, there really isn't a lot we CAN talk about that isn't roles ;/

[SB]

Because I still suspected you.