Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: BT on May 04, 2014, 09:00:59 AM
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Doctor Wars Mafia
(http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/260402/images/Doctors-guns.jpg)
Want an exposition? Too bad. I'm not patient enough for that. Hahaha, get it? No? Good.
Dear BT, you are Dr. Theodor Seuss Geisel.
(http://i.imgur.com/bCM7eTe.png)
Also known as Dr. Seuss, though you aren't actually a doctor. You're a writer, poet and cartoonist who's most widely known for his children's books. You're a prefectionist in your work and will not hesitate to throw out your material until you've done it right.
You are a Vanilla Townie. You have no actions.
You win if those aligned against the town are eliminated.
That was an example for a role PM in this game. I'm not sure what purpose having an example serves, but have one anyway.
This war is between the Good Doctors and the Evil Doctors. Coming up with faction names doesn't make much sense to me since the participants wouldn't make sense as part of them anyway. Everything's random except for the fact there are doctors in this game.
Rules of the Game:
1) This is a game of mafia. In games of mafia you converse in the game thread and there alone, unless otherwise stated.
2) Each day has one lynch. Cast your votes with ##Vote. Remove your votes with ##Unvote. The majority vote gets lynched and the lynched slot gets flipped, thus ending the day.
3) The scumteam may choose a target to kill each night. If the kill is successful, the target will be killed and flipped when the night is over.
4) Editing or deleting posts in the thread is banned.
5) Quoting any private communication directly is banned. This obviously includes PMs with the mod.
More Specific Rules of the Game:
11) You may post in the thread until (and including) twilight, after a hammer vote was cast. NO talk is allowed during nighttime. Dead people and non-players can post as long as what they say isn't game-related.
12) Days last 72 hours and nights last 24 hours. LYLO/MYLO gets no special deadline extension. No phase gets any special deadline extension. LYLO/MYLO is announced when it happens.
13) The scum QT is available at all times. Dead teammates may poke their heads inside but may not post something game-related.
14) Whoever sends in the scum nightkill can't use any other action during that night.
15) No Lynch is a legal vote and No Lynch is a legal outcome. No majority means No Lynch.
16) Flavor is meaningless.
17) When I say "flip" I mean full Role PM. Expect nothing to be omitted aside from the obvious.
Colors:
21) I'll be using this one.
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Alive:
1. Raikaria
5. Serela
6. Sky_Paladin
9. Darkninjaabc
Dead:
4. Raitaki - Town Binary Doctor - Lynched D1
8. Zakeri - Vanilla Townie - Killed N1
7. SB - Town Binary Doctor - Lynched D2
2. ActionDan - Town Vigilante - Killed N2
3. NekoNekoRex - Vanilla Townie - Lynched D3
Links:
Day 1 Start (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1093202.html#msg1093202) ~ Day 1 End (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1094168.html#msg1094168)
Day 2 Start (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1094401.html#msg1094401) ~ Day 2 End (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1095259.html#msg1095259)
Day 3 Start (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1095534.html#msg1095534) ~ Day 3 End (Game Over) (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1095769.html#msg1095769)
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All Role PMs are out. I'll start the game when 8 out of 9 players have posted in the thread.
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confirming
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confirmation
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confirm
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Just don't call me Shirley
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That was an example for a role PM in this game. I'm not sure what purpose having an example serves, but have one anyway.
Cuts down on "you knew the specific wording of the town rolepm!" clears and other lame shenanigans.
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Confirm
Only three. Ire days til freedom yay
Sorry about the wrong bread post I can even use both eyes at onced
I used to be some body
That person was happy
Now I am playing mafia
I hope you enjoyed this beautiful poem
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Anyway my wife won't buy me beer and took all my money away so sad
I cat say stand up
SB bananas are like really cheap right now ☻、さsorry keyboard
Why is it serious bananas ?
Bananas are pretty cool
You can trip up disses with them
Also my old professor at the defense institute used to shinenhisnshoes with banana peel
I always liked bananas the mostz they were a simple and clean fruit. Elegant and pleasant. I never met a banana I didn't like. Also banana man was a cool guy. When I was in school I used to try to use a banana gun but it never worked properly.guh this katakana keyboard drives me nuts.
Anyway I want to know. Why seriousness bananas? I would have though.../serious strawberries, or serious sandwich or serious soacecsdto
You know
Normal thIngs
Wh did it have to be bananas?
I just want to be loved
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it was serious bananas because my old sf name was Serious Sam then someone made a joke in a chat once and it stuck
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I almost don't want to be the one to have to cut in front of these beautiful drunken posts.
cut by SB beat me anyway. Oh well.
Also bananas make me horribly sick and I can't eat them.
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Confirm
sky ur drank go hoem xD
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About bananas.
There's something special about them.
When I press one against my cheek, it's like a cool, comforting hand. No matter how sad or low I am, a banana is always there for me, like a mother's reassuring touch. I can hold her there as long as I need, stroking that soft, paper like leathery skin.
Even then, there is more than the gentle homelike feeling. The soft resistance as you irresistibly peel that pliant, yearning skin away, like undressing a lover for the first time. Yes, you are the first one for that soft, white skin that has ne'er before felt the silent caress of the sun. You should slowly savor every second, every precious inch of divine flesh. Then drive it slowly in to your hungry mouth, in small morsels, one slavering gulp at a time, feeling a shudder of satisfaction deep in your shoulders with every moment. As the yielding body sinks far within you, becoming one with your soul and spirit, reflect well on what had happened with a greedy contented smile on your face. Then, with still fruit-slicked fingers, reach hesitatingly once more for the fruit bowl. After all, two bananas are better than one.
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ohgod take your erotica elsewhere ; v;
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Ah sorry, I got off track.
I meant to say bananas are an excellent source of vitamin B, fiber, and a moderate source of vitamin C. Also, bananas are one of the only fruits where the skin is not eaten.
Truly, though seemingly humble in appearance and countenance, the banana is the king of fruits.
Please reflect well on what I have said when next you eat a banana.
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I-I don't know man
After all this eating them almost feels guilty now
It's like I'm eating golden salvation when I don't need it and keeping them away from those that don't
Maybe I should change my banana-binging ways
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Here's my Doctorate; am I in?
Also clearly the evil team should be 'Unlicensed Doctors'
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Votecount 1.1
Not Voting: [9/9] Raikaria, ActionDan, NekoNekoRex, Raitaki, Serela, Sky_Paladin, SB, Zakeri, Darkninjaabc
Day 1 lasts 77 hours. 5 votes are needed for a majority.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140508T00&p0=110&msg=Day+1)
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##Vote Zakeri
<3
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##Vote: Serela
I want you to quote me five posts of yours that show me why you're town.
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##Vote: Serela
Happy birthday monsieur waffle!
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##vote raikaria
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##Vote: SB
I'm not sure if I've actually ever done that.
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##Vote: SB
Logical fallacy. You're putting the burden of proof on Serela to be town, instead of proving that she's scum
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##Unvote
##Vote: NNR
Defending his scumbuddy. Wolfy as fuck.
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##Vote: Raikaria
The patient can only be cured by eating the banana peel directly.
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##Vote: Raikaria
The patient can only be cured by eating the banana peel directly.
How do you eat something 'directly'? I was not aware that there was an 'indirect' method of eating things.
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I meant as oppose to the flesh inside the peel.
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Raikaria did not think for a second that eating banana peels is not normal.
Sky_Pal is a Cult Leader post-restricted to posting stuff relevant to bananas. And Raikaria was his N0 recruit.
##Vote: Sky_Paladin
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Zakeri is in the circle.
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Zakeri was the one who posed the question that exposed Raikaria's consumption of banana peels. Why does this make him "in the circle"? Are you just throwing accusations randomly until someone else picks one up?
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Banana pudding is pretty great for how easy it is to make
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Votecount 1.2
Raikaria: (2) ActionDan, Zakeri
SB: (2) Raikaria, NekoNekoRex
Sky_Paladin: (1) Raitaki
NekoNekoRex: (1) SB
Serela: (1) Darkninjaabc
Zakeri: (1) Serela
Not Voting: [1/9] Sky_Paladin
You have 2 days and 15 hours left. 5 votes are needed for a majority.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140508T00&p0=110&msg=Day+1)
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The circle is never an accusation.
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The question is do you mean the circle that is the town circle or the circle that is the non-town circle? You could quiet easily mean either way.
That said, your most recent post makes me think you mean town, but I just want to clear out doubt.
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The circle is town.
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Wait, SkyPal never even voted?
##unvote
##Vote SkyPaladin
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It's probably just me, but when I read "In the circle" It didn't occur to me that there was any negative connotation behind it. It either meant that he believed I was town, that I was worth listening to, or that He and I were the same alignment which I would have taken to mean town anyway.
Sky's last post was before Confirmation ended - There's no proof that the intent you're looking for is there, Serela.
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Sky's last post was before Confirmation ended - There's no proof that the intent you're looking for is there, Serela.
If anything, that's probably worse. He's been around, and at this point in the game it takes literally like one or two minutes to peek at the thread, go el oh el jokevotes, and do whatever.
I guess he was hung over or something though? I don't know how drinking works.
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Wait, SkyPal never even voted?
##unvote
##Vote SkyPaladin
(http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/imagecache/Node_Page/images/1318521000711.gif)
How is Sky not posting in RVS indicative of scum intent?
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela
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@SB: oh, okay.
@Serela: Well I think Sky_Pal might have been traumatized to some degree when it comes to ED1 posting, so there's that :V
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Indeed. Sky and ED1 posts tend not to end well.
Still, Serela making a huff out of it? Uh... no. Plus if we're gonna lynch anyone D1 it should always be Serela so he doesn't live to LYLO anyway. YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN HE LIVES TO LYLO
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela
HEY SKY, TAKE MY EXAMPLE. I post ED1 all the time and don't care if I get lynched all the time D1 [Although I'll fight it]
Zakeri, a town circle is just as plausible as a scum circle. You can coulor a circle green, blue, red, yellow, or whatever you want. I'm a little concerned about what seems to be slight paranoia about this circle thing, but that's only slight.
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I'll cut a long story short: I was drunk, then I was hungover, then I went to Kobe and got drunk again. Now I'm still drunk BUT I have the computer, not an iPhone, so I should at least be legible albeit still not making sense.
Two more sleeps, two more sleeps, two more sleeps.
I actually thought I voted for Serela for her birthday but apparently I did it in the other thread so it didn't count. That was my RVS vote. I feel like if I vote for Serela now it'll just be OMGUS because I am drunk and irrationaly angry about things so I'll sleep on it. and try again tomorrow.
BUT!
I've seen nothing from Dan except his vote for Rai with no reason attached.
##vote ActionDan
For being lurker scum. At least I had the decency to write a solid wall of banana porn before I went afk for a day; you just voted and powerlurked. I want to see some actual content from Dan so we don't run into that situation of the day-before-LYLO with an afk-Dan who we need to discount/vig.
Also I don't get this business with a circle, I assume somebody is crumbing something somewhere or maybe it has to do with the bananas again. I was going to write a whole section where you gently tussle the banana between your lips, running it's engorged pithy skin over your tongue etc etc but people started talking to me in RL and I couldn't keep my shit together any more. I just, you can't just eat a banana in one go. You should slowly savor it. Take it in small bites. If you just jam it in there all at once, you miss out on all the subtle nuances of the flavor and texture. It's like having your steak well done. You just don't do that with good meat.
Cut by Rai and a vote.
OK well the way I see it is that people should always be trying to improve their vote. Serela's reason for voting me for non-voting is kind of legit except that my posts clearly show no ability to string two thoughts together whatsoever. I have to think that powerlurking non-contributors (Dan) are more scummy than drunk players who sometimes get lost in Kobe station (me). So I do want to see what Serela does now but I am more interested in seeing what Dan does.
Two more sleeps, two more sleeps.
So the game is on properly now and I am trying hard not to drunk wall post from sad things because I don't want to clutter up the thread more than I already have.
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I think my vote is fine where it is since basically everyone could be accused of what SkyPal is voting Dan for. Well actually the people voting me for voting Sky couldn't, on second thought, but. `-`
I'd accuse his post of being tryhard, too, but apparently he's still drunk, so, I don't know how to factor that into a situation.
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tl;dr (wait but I only posted one sentence...) skypal picks out Dan as the target for "active lurking" for making an rvs vote, probably because it's Dan's meta to lurk it up in the first place which makes the accusation slightly more convincing, even though in this case everyone who isn't sky/me or voting me is just as guilty
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Here is Dan's sole post ok no it is here. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1093210.html#msg1093210)
If you can't be bothered to at least explain the joke behind your joke vote, man. If that's not phoning it in, I don't know what is.
If he actually does something not scummy I'll change my vote, sheesh.
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I think Sky is legit mad about lurkers to try and get Dan lynched day 1 after the last game. I don't think his Dan vote tells anything about his alignment.
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I dunno he's trying to seriously portray "didn't joke in his joke vote" as something that makes Dan especially scummy compared to the rest, I think this is valid reasoning to vote skypal
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Serela is only defending me because I got her the best cake.
I don't have any reads just yet.
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I dunno. It doesn't seem very scummy to me, it just seems very SkyPal.
Raikaria: was your Serela vote actually serious to an extent, or ???
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dumb smileys
dan do you have anything to say at all
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Votecount 1.3
Serela: (3) Darkninjaabc, SB, Raikaria
Sky_Paladin: (2) Raitaki, Serela
Raikaria: (2) ActionDan, Zakeri
ActionDan: (1) Sky_Paladin
SB: (1) NekoNekoRex
Not Voting: [0/9] N/A
You have 2 days and 6 hours left. 5 votes are needed for a majority.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140508T00&p0=110&msg=Day+1)
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Nope. Not yet. Maybe later today I'll do a headthink
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this activity is depressing
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this activity is depressing
What activity?
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Answer my question pls.
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So Sky Paladin I don't understand the banana pun. Since we are probably all males here its just kinda awkward or something.
I dunno but since Sky P's post was teh only mildly interesting thing that happened I am commenting on that.
But with this degree of activity I propose we lynch by statistics (not really). I personally have no qualms over lynching Dan because 100% of games Dan was lurking D1 he has been scum, but since he's also been lurking 100% in games where he was town anyway its kinda worthless.
In fact, I think Sky P knew about this too. We had so many times raging happily together in the graveyard and you always complain about how MoTK needs to lynch the lurkers asap because they cannot be discerned of their alignment either way.
So let's not lynch by statistics now and instead lynch by obvious logical fallacies and intentional obliviousness of known player behavior.
##Unvote
##Vote: Sky P
Plus I don't like pointless filler banana jokes, that's just plain convenient to look contributive but not really because D1 RVS has a lower effort input expectation than most days.
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I'm not even lurking. I'm not even active lurking (yet)
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Answer my question pls.
I was just popping in. My answer is kinda.
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Dan, the general interpretation of lurk means not contributing, I appreciate your blip to show us that you are alive but that doesn't mean you are kicking us out of RVS and helping us, hence lurk is an apt description of your behavior.
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In fact, I think Sky P knew about this too. We had so many times raging happily together in the graveyard and you always complain about how MoTK needs to lynch the lurkers asap because they cannot be discerned of their alignment either way.
So let's not lynch by statistics now and instead lynch by obvious logical fallacies and intentional obliviousness of known player behavior.
##Unvote
##Vote: Sky P
Uh...why is this a thing? If Sky_Pal says he wants to lynch lurkers while dead in another game, how does that make him voting known lurkers this game scummy?
Plus I don't like pointless filler banana jokes, that's just plain convenient to look contributive
Yeah well I'd say the same thing about your ??? blurb about lynching by statistics, except that doesn't have anything to do with silly confirmation phase shenanigans and wasn't obviously not meant to be taken seriously.
##Unvote
##Vote: Darkninjaabc
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So Sky Paladin I don't understand the banana pun. Since we are probably all males here its just kinda awkward or something.
I dunno but since Sky P's post was teh only mildly interesting thing that happened I am commenting on that.
But with this degree of activity I propose we lynch by statistics (not really). I personally have no qualms over lynching Dan because 100% of games Dan was lurking D1 he has been scum, but since he's also been lurking 100% in games where he was town anyway its kinda worthless.
In fact, I think Sky P knew about this too. We had so many times raging happily together in the graveyard and you always complain about how MoTK needs to lynch the lurkers asap because they cannot be discerned of their alignment either way.
So let's not lynch by statistics now and instead lynch by obvious logical fallacies and intentional obliviousness of known player behavior.
##Unvote
##Vote: Sky P
Plus I don't like pointless filler banana jokes, that's just plain convenient to look contributive but not really because D1 RVS has a lower effort input expectation than most days.
so wolfy
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SB it'd be nice if you could explain, or at least quote what specific parts were wolfy (I'm assuming that means scummy)
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I personally do not agree too much the the Sky votes, at least, not at the current time.
There's always the possibility Sky will come in and say something stupid that makes me want to vote him.
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He basically said that sky wanted to lynch lurkers even before the game started and that makes him scum. His case is pretty much terrible. Also "man he's faking content with those walls" is stupid because I don't think anyone considered them to be contributions at all.
raikaria elaborate pls on how serious your vote is
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As I said, pretty serious. The game has reached the point where if I was joking I would have moved my vote already.
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What did you find scummy about it? It isn't really well explained.
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It's a serious vote about something that doesn't even matter. Skypaladin didn't vote during RVS. Big deal. That doesn't make him the scums.
And by default I usually vote Serela D1, especially when there's nothing else to go on, because town should never let Serela live to LYLO. Town Serela loses LYLO 100% of the time and Scum Serela doesn't want town to win LYLO either. The fact he's the only one [Except Zakeri who's done something even more minor] that's done anything I find scummy helps.
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I won in full lylo twice!
Admittedly one time I was trying really, really hard to lynch the person who wasn't scum.
Also Raikaria my case has kind of expanded past that you know :C
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Zakeri, a town circle is just as plausible as a scum circle. You can coulor a circle green, blue, red, yellow, or whatever you want. I'm a little concerned about what seems to be slight paranoia about this circle thing, but that's only slight.
Umm, no it's not. A Scum circle doesn't exist because it implies that he knows one other person is definitely in the circle, which that other person has to be himself. There's no reason to not just call me scum outright if that's what he thought, because he wouldn't be claiming himself scum and myself his partner unless he had a traitorous role that he was trying to breadcrumb to me directly.
Serela hanging onto the Sky vote an expanding on it seems off to me.
Sky's vote is perfectly okay. There's no way you could isolate it as only coming from scummy intent.
Same goes for Dark's vote, but aside from the weird anti-banana tangent I don't feel any bad vibes. (Of course people pick up on the fallacies in that post right after I decided it wasn't worth looking into so I dunno)
@Dan: Actually I think Serela is only defending you because it helps his case against Sky to do so.
##Unvote: Raikaria
##FoS: Serela
No L-1 yet.
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My first point sounds kind of muddled reading it over again, but the gist of it is that I think if SB wanted to say I was a mafioso, He'd have a much better way of doing so than implying he was also Mafia.
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Votecount 1.4
Sky_Paladin: (2) Serela, Darkninjaabc
Serela: (2) SB, Raikaria
Darkninjaabc: (1) Raitaki
ActionDan: (1) Sky_Paladin
SB: (1) NekoNekoRex
Raikaria: (1) ActionDan
Not Voting: [1/9] Zakeri
You have 1 day and 23 hours left. 5 votes are needed for a majority.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140508T00&p0=110&msg=Day+1)
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Okay, Serela's case on Sky_Pal is kind of weak and he's unlikely to be scum for just those reasons, sure. Though I don't see how this makes Serela scummy? Sure, it kinda looks like she was nitpicking on Sky_Pal, but hey when you look at Sky_Pal and his "Dan didn't joke in RVS SCUM" he was nitpicky on Dan too.
It's kinda weird how Raikaria just forgot about Serela's reactions to Sky_Pal after he posted again. I mean we're on the third freaking page and Serela made 3 posts that Raikaria apparently is treating as non-existent, it's not like they're can get buried in mounds of other people's content or anything. Raikaria respond to those posts too please
SB do you feel Serela's recent posts are still scummy enough to keep voting her over Darkninja?
Also Zak why did you just unvote and leave your vote lying around. If you don't want to put Serela at L-2 yet that's understandable, but do you have any other scumreads?
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Popping in to acknowledge I remembered this existed still. I was too busy today to post and can't stay long enough to do more then say I'll make up for it tomorrow, I swear.
An my earlier vote was still serious, BTW, as worthless as I expect it would be now. Then again, maybe not. Who knows.
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Votecount 1.4
Serela: (2)
Oh
##Vote: Serela
Right now I feel like Serela is the strongest lead to pursue right now. The intent of making a big to-do about using FoS instead of voting was to prevent hammering while also driving home the point that Serela was my top chase.
Basically, I feel like the pursuit against Sky is too forced to be coming from a town perspective. There are bits on other people I agree are vote worthy, like the thing people bring up against Dark that I missed, and also I think Dan and NNR Are valid targets, too.
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@Rai, yes Serela is still more voteworthy. DNA is probably second, but I don't feel like they're buddies together.
I feel like my guess for a second scum would be a lurker. Leaning NNR>Dan atm, would like him to explain how his early vote was serious (because Serela is obvwolf for ignoring my first post!!!!!!!)
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I don't understand the reasoning for my case being bad, can someone please tell me why in an understandable manner?
Or can Raitaki rephrase his attack without the use of so many rhetoricals? They are rather pointless because instead of giving your opinion you are essentially telling players to go formulate their own, which isn't the point of scumhunting, at all.
And do kindly consider it was still RVS (imo) when I made my Sky_P case, I believe my post officially kicked us out of the phase so I really don't have much material to quote lol, the demands are unreasonable and as such I cannot oblige.
I personally agree with Raikaria on the Serela lynch though, because statistics are awesome.
Zakeri is spending alot of time looking kinda waffly and so do SB, I can dismiss them as null.
Sky P hasn't been back yet so lawl I don't have much to add atm.
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You have 1 day, 11 hours and 21 minutes left. 5 votes are needed for a majority.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140508T00&p0=110&msg=Day+1)
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Effectively a prod-dodge post because if I'm delayed too much in getting home from work it'd be prod time (but I need to leave for said work immediately); will post shortly after returning home
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I don't understand the reasoning for my case being bad, can someone please tell me why in an understandable manner?
Or can Raitaki rephrase his attack without the use of so many rhetoricals? They are rather pointless because instead of giving your opinion you are essentially telling players to go formulate their own, which isn't the point of scumhunting, at all.
Sure. My problem with your case was you basically voted Sky_Pal for following through on something he said he wanted to do outside of the game. Unless we're talking about something downright bad like "I wanna act like all of D1 is RVS every time" I don't see how that makes him scummy. I don't even know what the "intentional obliviousness of known player behavior" part was about, if someone's a known lurker and they haven't shown any signs otherwise what's wrong with voting them for lurking?
Also, you did the thing you accused Sky_Pal of (pointless filler stuff that pretends to contribute but not really) with that useless blurb about Dan.
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I've not been lurking on purpose, I actually literally forgot the game existed for a few hours when I could post, but decided to do something else.
Then I had to go to bed and I couldn't get on my computer to actually play when I wanted to.
Anyway, I'm here now so I might as well read and play while I'm actually around.
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OK I am back after being away all day and nothing really happened, sigh. Let's read the thread again.
Things I think are scummy so far:
Serela's poor vote on me -> failed to improve vote -> continued to vote even when reason for vote was disproved. Scummy because fake intent, vote parking, scum love to coast. Can it be called coasting at L-1 though?
Dan -> lurked until prompted to act -> "I don't have any reads yet" but still voting for Zak for no reason despite being prompted to explain. No contributing posts in the game so far.
DNA -> "I personally have no qualms over lynching Dan because 100% of games Dan was lurking D1 he has been scum, but since he's also been lurking 100% in games where he was town anyway its kinda worthless."
LOOK.
I am not saying "We should turbo lynch lurkers day 1" in the same way that, for example, Rai suggested we should lynch Serela because she statistically will lose the game for town in LYLO. I am saying that the way you get players like ActionDan to actually get involved in the game is to put a vote or two behind them. Then they are very chatty and then you can make better decisions about it. Case in point: Dan didn't show up in the game at all until there was a vote for him. Dan doesn't go afk. He power lurks because you let him. Why should he post? Town would rather lynch the least effective scum hunter/public debater. If your not scum hunting or debating, you won't get lynched.
Like I am not even voting Dan because I think he's scum directly. We know scum like to lurk. I want to light a fire under Dan's ass so he can't lurk AND WE SHOULD DO THIS WITH ANY PLAYERS WHO LURK. Dan just happens to be the target of my ire because he voted without reason and then vanished.
Town should always be trying to improve their vote. I don't see town intent from Dan. Conversely, I can see town intent from DNA because he is trying to make a case and be constructive, even if that case is bad. I would rather keep somebody who makes bad cases around than somebody who makes no cases.
You're basically doing the exact thing I am from a different angle so that's why I understand what you're saying and even if I disagree with your reasoning, your heart is in the right place.
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Anyway, Serela had a number of opportunities to improve her vote either by defending her current vote on me or by making a case and voting elsewhere. Instead she blustered around and argued over petty (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1093518.html#msg1093518) things instead of scumhunting. So what, I don't get it. She was at L-2 for quite some time and had the opportunity to do something and did not. Serela just vote parked for the reason of "Sky didn't vote in RVS" and then changed her mind to "Because he is voting Dan." No. Bad Serela. Town want to improve their vote. This means updating their thinking based on new information. You just voted and retroactively justified!
##unvote
##Fos - Serela
I will not be here for phase end but I will be back in around seven hours to check the thread. At that time I can upgrade my FoS to a vote so if somebody else who will be around wants to unvote, go ahead.
I a million times would rather lynch a non contributor like Dan but in the absence of actual activity from Dan I have to consider the scummy activity from you as more serious.
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So, SB, my first serious vote (on you) was because you were making a logical fallacy, and by asking Serela to do literally the impossible because she had no posts yet that game.
Granted these are RVS reasons for a vote but it was a serious RVS vote.
Then you OMGUS'd me when there was no indication I was even defending Serela.
The next scummy post that caught my eye is Raikaria's here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1093423.html#msg1093423), which looks like a really shitty bandwagon hop. Lots of fluff in there too.
Dan feels like he is lurking because he has literally no opinions, which I would find exceedingly hard to do halfway into a D1. That's pretty bad, really. Active lurking in the more obvious sense.
[giant text wall]
so wolfy
uhhh, why?
Also, why are we lynching Serela again?
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I'm really tired and I have deja vu but if feels like NNR already asked this before.
Oh here we are.
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##Vote: SB
Logical fallacy. You're putting the burden of proof on Serela to be town, instead of proving that she's scum
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##Unvote
##Vote: NNR
Defending his scumbuddy. Wolfy as fuck.
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Also this:
Granted these are RVS reasons for a vote but it was a serious RVS vote.
Come on man. What is a 'serious RVS vote'. What does this even MEAN?
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So, I think SB is scum and I'm not moving my vote on him.
To be fair it's not really easy to come up with a super convincing case, but it feels like he's been leading the charge on a lot of really shitty vectors but at the same time, while he's been complaining about activity, he's not really been doing much himself aside from making twitter posts and feeling like he's been in the background directing the game.
He had no opinion on Raikaria despite his vote being a really obvious lazy wagon hop on his thoughts (he even thought it apparently wasn't serious for awhile), even after Raikaria then gave conflicting answers on how serious his vote was)
He doesn't even give an opinion on Dan, despite actually commenting on him being a lurker.
The worst part is the post where he comments on a wall being scummy and then has to actually be asked how it is before he explains.
IMO he's playing 'just hard enough' to look town, but he's really scum.
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Raikaria is a nice secondary choice for waffling on his own vote which apparently was only half-serious at the time he made it (and was really just a hop to begin with, which is terrible)
Apparently people think I'm still defending Serela (I haven't even said anything about Serela herself the entire fucking game), which is hilarious. Maybe I should if it would get people to vote scums.
Why are people voting him, exactly? Because he's trying to stick to a shitty vote and even improve on it later, even after people are telling her it's a dumb vote? I think that just looks like an idiot townie.
Scum would have switched off a vote that town didn't like by now, but Serela's been sticking to her guns. Looks townie enough to me.
In fact I think there should be more reasons to vote Raikaria too.
It's a serious vote about something that doesn't even matter. Skypaladin didn't vote during RVS. Big deal. That doesn't make him the scums.
And by default I usually vote Serela D1, especially when there's nothing else to go on, because town should never let Serela live to LYLO. Town Serela loses LYLO 100% of the time and Scum Serela doesn't want town to win LYLO either. The fact he's the only one [Except Zakeri who's done something even more minor] that's done anything I find scummy helps.
Here's one right now.
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So, I think SB is scum and I'm not moving my vote on him.
To be fair it's not really easy to come up with a super convincing case, but it feels like he's been leading the charge on a lot of really shitty vectors but at the same time, while he's been complaining about activity, he's not really been doing much himself aside from making twitter posts and feeling like he's been in the background directing the game.
He had no opinion on Raikaria despite his vote being a really obvious lazy wagon hop on his thoughts (he even thought it apparently wasn't serious for awhile), even after Raikaria then gave conflicting answers on how serious his vote was)
He doesn't even give an opinion on Dan, despite actually commenting on him being a lurker.
The worst part is the post where he comments on a wall being scummy and then has to actually be asked how it is before he explains.
IMO he's playing 'just hard enough' to look town, but he's really scum.
NNR your big case is attacking 2 of my RVS jokeposts that were taking the piss out of game of champions. You say "you've been doing nothing but twitterposting" but I'm not going to make up walls of bullshit about posts that don't exist. Also, you can't direct the game from the background, and I've done a lot more than a large chunk of the playerlist so this case is all just blatantly wrong.
I think Raikaria is kind of town, but me not having an opinion him despite the fact that I asked him a question or two isn't as damning as you're trying to make it out to be. I don't have an opinion on Dan because he's posted practically nothing. I wouldn't mind lynching him though because I'd like the somewhat active people to still be alive.
I made the wall comment because I was busy playing EM with a bunch of SF people at the time and didn't have time to make a longer post.
Cut by second post. Will address that now I guess.
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EBWOP: *I think Raikaria is town now, I was mostly nullish at the time.
I don't really have much to say on the Raikaria suspicion aside from I disagree just because the tone of his posts feel townie to me.
Serela is scummy because his Sky vote was terrible and nothing he's done has improved my opinion of that yet. Admittedly my vote is still there because I don't feel like the majority of the active posters are mafia though, rather than it being a super strong suspicion.
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NNR your big case is attacking 2 of my RVS jokeposts that were taking the piss out of game of champions
It's like you missed the point completely (and I didn't get that refrence, so thanks for explaining I guess?)
Asking the occasional question and pushing a shitty case isn't "hunting the scum" you know. You aren't even pushing said shitty case that hard, really. Serela's had all these posts and you've had basically nothing to say about them.
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Where's Serela's scum intent? A terrible vote isn't a sole reason to lynch someone.
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Riakaria openly admitted he likes voting Serela off policy, and you're defending him as town because of tone.
Good job.
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By "lots of posts" you mean this:
I won in full lylo twice!
Admittedly one time I was trying really, really hard to lynch the person who wasn't scum.
Also Raikaria my case has kind of expanded past that you know :C
which there really isn't anything to say about, and a proddodge (since I last really replied to Serela.) That isn't a lot of posts.
Serela's scum intent in pushing a terrible vote like that is because it blatantly reeks of trying to mislynch Sky.
I agree with your point that Raikaria's vote is bad but I'm not gonna ignore that I don't feel like he's mafia, so shrug.
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Also, why are we lynching Serela again?
Bad initial reasoning for his vote, followed up by more bad reasoning to push the vote through, combined with the 'Serela LYLO' meta that I kinda want to avoid.
At least, that's why I think Serela should be lynched.
That and as I said before, no-one else really seems too scummy, although I've not that that much time to read. I'll do so later. I kinda have an exam tomorrow which I'm prepping for atm.
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Scum intent I am not sure about, other than the fact that Serela's bad votes are on Sky who has been the general 'Day 1 easy lynch'. So, yeah using that might be Serela trying to get an easy mislynch.
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Part of my reason is Serela's meta to screwing over the town when he is alive. The other part is his actual actions.
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I went for 3 or 4 hrs and suddenly theres a pile of activity. Okay.
Sure. My problem with your case was you basically voted Sky_Pal for following through on something he said he wanted to do outside of the game. Unless we're talking about something downright bad like "I wanna act like all of D1 is RVS every time" I don't see how that makes him scummy. I don't even know what the "intentional obliviousness of known player behavior" part was about, if someone's a known lurker and they haven't shown any signs otherwise what's wrong with voting them for lurking?
Also, you did the thing you accused Sky_Pal of (pointless filler stuff that pretends to contribute but not really) with that useless blurb about Dan.
I don't think you have been following what Sky P did, as he has just told us, Sky P himself voted for Dan with a poorly explained reasoning behind of which I find obvious errors. As such I cited the error I noticed (Dan lurks anyway) and poked Sky P in an attempt to kick us out of RVS if it wasn't obvious enough already. As Sky P has already ninja'd me in his big wallpost, I believe it is better to come up with a mediocre case that can actually facilitate discussion and participation as opposed to standing on the sidelines poking at the unresponsive lurkers, it is just a massive waste of time, and I don't like wasting time.
And Raitaki if you don't know anything about why lurkers are bad for the game because their alignment cannot be discerned due to lack of material, and known lurkers have even less of a reasoning to lurk because it has been a known town detrimental game trend for years now, you must not have played any mafia before. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem like the case here. So I am assuming you are just smacking us with a massive 'fuck this i am too stupid i don't comprehend anything let me just vote someone to look contributive' card on the face.
tldr lurkers are bad for town, known lurkers lurking is even worse, D1 gives us a really cheap and convenient lynch to dispose tumors in the game so why not use it for the betterment of town?
so my blurb was actually not useless lol because it expresses my distaste for lurkers, show that I am willing to consolidate lynch Dan and provides proof to the argument against Sky P that Sky P is deliberately overlooking known player trends which Sky P complained specifically about, hence scum behavior.
tbh i am really tempted to vote raitaki now, hes just playing coy to get by, and as people have said it already, bad cases do not equate to scummy player. if that is the meta here raikaria would be lynched every time since D1, as opposed to most of the time. (lol)
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Anyway
Serela lynch is always supported, while i just made fun of raikaria literally a sentence ago, I do agree with him this time that stats give us a really good reasoning anytime to shoot Serela in the face. Because D1 lynches are generally harmless and gives us a convenient option to not deal with troublesome players whose play are detrimental to town either way, so yeah.
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For the people who can't really bother to parse shit and walls of text this is a simplified version of what i did;
-my case is bad and i know it, i was just kicking us out of rvs
-raitaki is just playing stupid and i want to lynch him because thats scummy
-i can lynch dan because he lurks and its D1
-i can lynch serela because he loses games and its D1
-i expressed my hate for troublesome players and why we should revolutionize the meta and deal with them asap
cut by 2
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ok so i noticed a bunch of grammatical errors and wrong vocabulary choices that may seem confusing but sry i am sleepy and hopefully you still get the gist of my message mmmkay bye
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Meh.
##Unvote
##Vote: ActionDan
It's been over 48 hours and he's done basically nothing. I don't expect Dan to be a bastion of activity but he's contributed absolutely nothing to the gamestate and as town I feel he would've at least done something.
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Policy lynching or not, I always gun for players I feel are totes scum.
By "lots of posts" you mean this:
which there really isn't anything to say about, and a proddodge (since I last really replied to Serela.) That isn't a lot of posts.
Taking his most worthless post and quoting it isn't really doing anyone justice, but I digress.
Serela's scum intent in pushing a terrible vote like that is because it blatantly reeks of trying to mislynch Sky.
Oh yeah, sure is scummy for trying (and struggling) to push a case that nobody else is buying. Totes scum. Maybe I should counter that Serela doesn't have a scummy tone? If we're all gonna be hypocrites here.
You're basically arguing that because he has a shitty vote, his scum intent is that his vote is really bad.
I agree with your point that Raikaria's vote is bad but I'm not gonna ignore that I don't feel like he's mafia, so shrug.
So wolfy.
"I am pushing someone who has a legit terrible vote, but when presented with someone else who has an equally terrible legit scummy vote, I am going to say I'm not ignoring it, but really I'm ignoring it for tone."
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Bad initial reasoning for his vote, followed up by more bad reasoning to push the vote through, combined with the 'Serela LYLO' meta that I kinda want to avoid.
At least, that's why I think Serela should be lynched.
That and as I said before, no-one else really seems too scummy, although I've not that that much time to read. I'll do so later. I kinda have an exam tomorrow which I'm prepping for atm.
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Scum intent I am not sure about, other than the fact that Serela's bad votes are on Sky who has been the general 'Day 1 easy lynch'. So, yeah using that might be Serela trying to get an easy mislynch.
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Part of my reason is Serela's meta to screwing over the town when he is alive. The other part is his actual actions.
Raikaria sounds like he doesn't even really know why he's voting Serela, except that he can't think of anyone better. Sounds like the conviction a real pro town would have, I'm sure.
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Taking his most worthless post and quoting it isn't really doing anyone justice, but I digress.
This was in response to your #89 saying Serela has "all these posts" when he really didn't.
Oh yeah, sure is scummy for trying (and struggling) to push a case that nobody else is buying. Totes scum. Maybe I should counter that Serela doesn't have a scummy tone? If we're all gonna be hypocrites here.
Um. What does the fact that nobody else is buying the case have to do with anything? And my reads don't have to match yours, so I don't even get what you're trying to say here.
You're basically arguing that because he has a shitty vote, his scum intent is that his vote is really bad.
So wolfy.
Considering that I can't see how he could come out with a vote like that from a town mindset, pretty much?
"I am pushing someone who has a legit terrible vote, but when presented with someone else who has an equally terrible legit scummy vote, I am going to say I'm not ignoring it, but really I'm ignoring it for tone."
yeah pretty much, fite me
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did i just get beautfifully ignored and sb placed a random gut vote
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela
I don't feel comfortable lynching a lurker over someone who has a clear track record of losing games, far as policy lynches go, I prioritize Serela.
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I'd rather lynch a complete non-player at this junction than someone who's mildly scummy but hasn't been around due to Actual Reasons(?) as far as I can tell. Town Dan isn't someone who expect to post heaps of content but last game he did nothing and turned out to be scum, and this was true for a couple of other games too (Defcon and idolmaster iirc?) so I'd rather not get fucked over just because half of the scumteam has decided that posting is stupid, in the case of scum!Dan.
All of this "Serela loses games" crap should probably stop. If you think he's scum for actual content vote him but if you're arguing that he's a detriment to his wincon I'm sorry but that's a bad reason and honestly I'd consider Serela one of the better players in this game (don't mean to offend anyone, but a lot of the game lurks or gets mislynched early a lot, so you could argue pretty much anyone as a policy lynch if you tried to spin it in a certain light.)
NNR is making me want to reconsider my Raikaria read, so meh. Starting to read DNA as scum over Serela just because that last post looks heavily opportunistic.
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Wait did DNA just make a wallpost saying why lynching lurkers D1 is a good idea and then call my Dan vote dumb? Yeah I'm good with lynching DNA over Serela now I think.
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Votecount 1.5
Serela: (3) Raikaria, Zakeri, Darkninjaabc
Sky_Paladin: (1) Serela
ActionDan: (1) SB
Darkninjaabc: (1) Raitaki
SB: (1) NekoNekoRex
Raikaria: (1) ActionDan
Not Voting: [1/9] Sky_Paladin
You have 1 day, 3 hours and 34 minutes left. 5 votes are needed for a majority.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140508T00&p0=110&msg=Day+1)
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@Mod, Are there prods in this game?
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Eeh; let's make a list:
1: Raikaria - MEEEE! I'm not putting in as much *effort* as usual because exams. Sorry. But I'm the towns. Trust me.
2: Actiondan - Non-existent Lurkscum. Only post of any interest whatsoever, which also happens to be his only post with more than one line except a vote line, falls into suspiciously specific denial territory; especially as Serela didn't come across to me as trying specifically to defend Actiondan as much as argue against Sky to further his 'case'.
Serela is only defending me because I got her the best cake.
I don't have any reads just yet.
Would lynch.
3: NNR - I am of good opinion of NNR, Generally when NNR puts in this kind of effort he's town.
4: Raitaki - Worryingly absent compared to normal. Don't *really* like his vote reason for DNA. Don't like him asking me to respond to Serela's other posts either, I didn't address them because they didn't change my opinion really, if anything his 'justifications' made my opinion worse.
5 - Serela - Still don't like him. He made a bad case on Sky, and then when pressed on it I don't like his justification. Throw in Actiondan's SSD, and you have a pretty good lynch, especially when combined with the fact... it's Serela. Also, I've yet to see anyone actually say anything to redeem Serela's content in my eyes. Including Serela. Like, NNR asking about scum intent. It's to get a mislynch on the current 'Easy target' who's been D1 mislynched a lot recently. What's the town intent of his bad vote?
6 - Sky - Kinda null to me, despite his amount of content. I don't think he's scummy but nothing really comes off as really really town either.
7 - SB - Don't like his random terminology he uses on occasion, but otherwise fine.
8 - Zakeri - Comes across pretty null, but others have said they are reading him town.
9 - DNA - I'm not 'null' on him, but I'm kinda torn. On one hand I don't like his Sky Paladin vote. I don't like that he seems to be agreeing on my Serela vote because of Serela's play history rather than what Serela's actions are.On the other hand, he does seem to be putting in legitimate town effort.
Right now I'd lynch Dan and Serela [Serela first]. Wouldn't lynch SB or NNR at all. DNA could very quickly swing either way.
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Ok now I'm active lurking.
I have one town read. I guess.
You'll get a more substantial post in 4 hours
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@Mod, Are there prods in this game?
I haven't been paying that much attention since it's a 9 player game. I'll prod repeat offenders at later stages.
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dan just post what you have now seriously
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What SB just said to DNA. If town should lynch lurkers, why does the fact Dan lurks as both factions make a lynch on him any worse?
And Raitaki if you don't know anything about why lurkers are bad for the game because their alignment cannot be discerned due to lack of material, and known lurkers have even less of a reasoning to lurk because it has been a known town detrimental game trend for years now, you must not have played any mafia before. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem like the case here. So I am assuming you are just smacking us with a massive 'fuck this i am too stupid i don't comprehend anything let me just vote someone to look contributive' card on the face.
Uh, yes, I know lurkers make the game hard to read, that's why I said there was nothing wrong with voting one :I I really don't get what you're trying to do here, except pulling the "I'm gonna post a confusing mess so I can insult someone" card in my face.
Also that blurb wasn't your dislike of lurkers at all. It was "I hate lurkers but Dan always lurks so there's no point". No who is scum, no who do I want to lynch, nothing. Back to same spot, etc. Also you're acting like the fact someone always lurks is a defense against voting them for lurking or something. It's not.
It's also hilarious how after me and SB poked DNA he started going I can lynch Dan this I can lynch Dan that and still maintain Sky_Pal was scummy for voting him.
In fact, if you admit your SP vote was bad and designed to get out of RVS, now that you have another scumread why is your vote still on SP?
I know I'm kinda tunneling, but it's inconvenient to read multiple people at once on phone so that'll come later
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9 - DNA - I'm not 'null' on him, but I'm kinda torn. On one hand I don't like his Sky Paladin vote. I don't like that he seems to be agreeing on my Serela vote because of Serela's play history rather than what Serela's actions are.On the other hand, he does seem to be putting in legitimate town effort.
isn't this literally your case
screw you i'm townreading the other rai now >:
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My case is Serela's vote on Sky and the fact he's sticking to it and 'reinforceing' it with still bad reasons.
The meta thing is secondary, yet it seems to be the only thing DNA is voting Serela for.
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Also I might bring up the 'Serela may be sticking with his bad case to provoke Sky into saying something that gets himself lynched' thing which happens every game recently.
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Okay nvm, DNA voted Serela instead, so I'll take back the point about him keeping vote on SP. I think voting someone for their track record of being in LyLos where town lost is a bad reason, but I guess that's not inherently scummy in itself.
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continued to vote even when reason for vote was disproved. Scummy because fake intent, vote parking,
Excuse me, when was my reason for voting you disproved? The "didn't jokevote in rvs" thing may have been but obviously that wasn't very solid of anything in the first place, and in the post I made following I kind of expanded into actual reasons. Fake intent whaaaaaa, did you seriously just accuse me of that? Okay now I actually Really Want You Lynched.
You just voted and retroactively justified!
Uh. Are you blaming me for only having legitimate justification for LITERALLY THE FIRST NOT-RANDOM VOTE IN THE GAME after I made it? Really?
SkyPal actually has literally no opinions on the game apart from me being scum and a sidecomment that DNA has town intent in his posts even if they're bad. Dan is basically a votepark over Dan's meta (although I'd say that's moreso null than scummy, given Dan's meta is really bad and he deserves to get some pressure) except, wait, uh. SkyPal is saying he'd much rather lynch Dan than me, because Dan doesn't contribute. But since Dan isn't contributing, he's going to... unvote Dan... and FoS me while empty unvoted... even though he'd much, much rather lynch Dan then me. This makes no sense. He's cheerleading my lynch on whilst empty unvoting away from the person he'd MUCH rather have lynched. This would make sense if he actually needed to use my vote on me, but, uh, he's empty unvoted, so this is horrible.
Anyway as a side-comment, about me not doing other things already, nothing interesting really happened (apart from the ones I was directly related in already) until after I went to bed last night. If you went through this slot-by-slot the same would be mostly applicable to the vast majority of the players at that point in time.
Okaaaay time to catch up with everything else and use the Real Content Has Appeared to see about other reads.
We'll see what happens about Dan when he posts, which theoretically should be not too long. Lurking this much up to now is less typical of town!dan than scum!dan, but within reason; that being said I'd be saying "I'd be fine with settling for a dan lynch" if he hadn't posted the alert of giving a substantial post soon, so take that as you will!
I wasn't against DNA but then I saw SB's 102 and "...huh" and maybe a DNA lynch wouldn't be so bad. Raitaki for the most part seems pretty reasonable and fine to me. NNR... uhm, he's doing effort and stuff and that's good but apart from not wanting to lynch me his opinion of the game feels very foreign and strange. I'm not entirely sure what this is supposed to mean in terms of his alignment since I could argue it either way >_>; I think that's all my noteworthy opinions. Maybe I should look into the Raikaria case more, but I'm not really feeling anything worth bringing up in Raikaria land.
tl;dr skypal lynch is best idea (but I have a feeling no one will support me as usual :C This is kind of the story of my mafia life) Dan depends on his upcoming post and having to consolidate onto DNA would be okay with me
Wow that votecount was depressing ;_; Also I'm not going to be around in the last several hours before deadline, but I'll be here like 6 hours beforehand so. (also for the next few hours right now of course, but)
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oh oops it's pretty unclear
the quoted bits are from skypal
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Also I might bring up the 'Serela may be sticking with his bad case to provoke Sky into saying something that gets himself lynched' thing which happens every game recently.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Raikaria
This has gone from terrible to straw-grasping conspiracy theorist bad.
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"So, if this thing happens, which may not actually happen, and hasn't happened yet. Consider that, if that thing DOES happen, Serela might be scum."
This is Raikaria right now.
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I got to page 4. well I have some opinions. they may change as I read this page. standby
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Ok well I really shouldn't say this but I really think NNR/DNA are very strong town here, NNR a little more so.
Scum reads are SB/Raitaki (and yes the above sentence is connected).
I still can't get over how out of place post #31 was. Yes it looks like early whatever herpaderp flim flam compared to the 10000 walls over the last 3 pages but it looks sooooo contrived.
To continue with Raitaki specifically I think his later content feels like he's "running with it" with the DNA suspicion. His posts look pretty solid constructed etc. but I dunno. This is kind of limited to an opinion because there's nothing really to question.
As for SB I would c/p most of NNR's posts but also I think his publishing his reads with hints about their projection and small changes is awkward taken all together. He is voting me now for example which doesn't particularly jive with the concern about deciding which of Serela/DNA is the better vote.
The only other person I have much of a concern with is Raikaria for questionable consistency and half baked opinions throughout her posts. but uhhh, not super problematic atm.
##unvote
##Vote Raitaki
Because post #31 really really doesn't sit well with me
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So Dan it's good that you think Raitaki is the scummiest and want to go with that, but I'm afraid it's already consolidation time (like 20 hours left in the day, and nighttime will take half of that for probably everyone in some form or another) and you have literally no case on him except "I think he's scummy" to try to convince anyone with, nor do I remember there being a significant amount of calling raitaki scummy from others (one or two people to a mild degree maybe) so
well tl;dr you should probably vote someone who might actually be lynched due to how late it is in the day
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20 hours is plenty. Also all that vote count means is that 3 people are on you and anyone can potentially be a CW.
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motk just has issues lately with consolidating going really badly and then it's just SHENANIGAN FESTIVAL in the last few hours to deadline because of it
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like flashwagoning 4 people in a row and then making a crappy lynch decision in the end, or being forced to lynch X because there's just no way around it anymore ;_;
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9 people all votes are intrinsically worth more
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@Dan: My post #31 was basically just making -anything at all- happen. It was some time after D1 started (seemed longer than 12 hours to me since I wasn't around when it started, and still too lazy to change time zone on my profile), and the game was still barely on the first post of second page, and I was angrily mashing F5 to see nothing happening, so eh.
Regarding the Serela vs. Sky_Pal thing: both still read null to me, with Serela looking slightly better. Feels like it might be town vs. town in fact. Don't feel like lynching either over Dan or DNA atm.
NNR could go either way. It looks like he's putting in effort, but his arguments are mainly pretty basic and simple (SB was twitterposting, Raikaria's fluffy wagon hop, etc.) and could be as easily typed up by scum imo. I find the amount of weight he gave SB's RVS-era blurbs weird, and an ISO of his posts kinda suggests no one but Dan, SB or Raikaria exists (and that Serela is some distant historical figure whose existence he briefly defended).
Zakeri ga shinda, someone bring him back
SB would look town to me if he didn't start a trend of vote first, explain later this game, except for the Dan vote which honestly anyone could make at this point. Which is basically saying yeah NNR does have a point.
Dan looks lynchable to me. Forgive the bias but slinking off for like the entirety of the game up til now just to have "eh looks solid but this one RVS-era post looks weird as fuck" as the case behind his vote is just insufficient.
Raikaria looks kinda like how he usually goes about early game. Uncertain.
Once agaaaiiin not enough people agree with my vote, and I think a couple even townread DNA, so I guess I should switch votes for now, especially since I don't know if I'd have transportation to arrive home before deadline tomorrow. Reading this game is mildly tough, partly because of the amount of content so far and partly because there are 4 fewer people for me to look at and for other people to interact with.
##Unvote
##Vote: ActionDan
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##Unvote:
##Vote: Raikaria
This has gone from terrible to straw-grasping conspiracy theorist bad.
I'm sorry but what has been happening Day 1 the last few games is someone votes Sky for a bad reason, pushes on it, Sky takes the bait and gets himself lynched; generally by over-reacting or saying something really silly.
It's happened the last 2~3 games in a row.
It's hardly 'conspiracy theorist' when it's already happened before.
Not happy with Dan's 'content', but it is content. Also I'm a male Actiondan.
I don't like this game. Aside from Serela [Who I have said is minor] no one really stands out as really scummy to me. I *am* grasping at straws. I'll freely admit that.
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Votecount 1.6
Serela: (3) Raikaria, Zakeri, Darkninjaabc
ActionDan: (2) SB, Raitaki
Raitaki: (1) ActionDan
Raikaria: (1) NekoNekoRex
Sky_Paladin: (1) Serela
Not Voting: [1/9] Sky_Paladin
You have 14 hours and 8 minutes. 5 votes are needed for a majority.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140508T00&p0=110&msg=Day+1)
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Also I'm a male Actiondan.
All ActionDans are Male ActionDans.
I read through the whole thread an managed to have all of the information pour out of my eyes before I could process any of it.
##Unvote: Serela
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
I really don't like that he's trying to push Raikaria as scum for thinking Serela is trying to get an easy mislynch and then using the fact that Sky hasn't been mislynched yet as evidence that Raikaria is scum for his line of thinking. I'm not sure what the purpose of treating Raikaria as if he was just released from an asylum is.
Willing to lynch Dan since I usually just ignore him. Normally I'd be cursing policy lynches but time and again proves we need them to actually happen.
Honestly, I feel like NNR is just as bad as Dan, except that where Dan doesn't bother hiding it anymore and everyone knows what to look for NNR just hung back quietly and didn't bring attention to the fact.
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It's a pretty bad point against Serela though zak
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I am back and sober. It only took a month. Wow.
I have a couple of issues with what people have said today.
NNR
I touched on NNR earlier here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1093727.html#msg1093727) but I was too exhausted to format it neatly and it appears everybody ignored what I said.
NNR made a number of posts since then so I'm going to omnislash them up.
Preliminary (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1093726.html#msg1093726) case against SB.
Backstory: NNR voted for SB because of SB's rvs vote. This prompted SB to countervote with 'defending his scumbuddy (Serela)'.
NNR
Granted these are RVS reasons for a vote but it was a serious RVS vote.
Then you OMGUS'd me when there was no indication I was even defending Serela.
This is simply a misrep.
What does 'it was a serious RVS vote' even mean? It's either random, or it's serious. I'm not trying to split hairs here, it just seems like an illogical thing to say.
The misrep part is that NNR is disassociating his defence of Serela. NNR, you voted SB because of his vote on Serela. That is the very definition of defending.
Also, why are we lynching Serela again?
More 'not defending' Serela?
Apparently people think I'm still defending Serela (I haven't even said anything about Serela herself the entire fucking game), which is hilarious.
Up to this point, only SB said NNR had been defending Serela. That is hardly 'everybody', but NNR is feeling...something...enough to want to complain that everybody is doing it.
NNR not mentioning Serela some more -
Why are people voting him, exactly? Because he's trying to stick to a shitty vote and even improve on it later, even after people are telling her it's a dumb vote? I think that just looks like an idiot townie.
Scum would have switched off a vote that town didn't like by now, but Serela's been sticking to her guns. Looks townie enough to me.
NNR is chainsaw defending/suppressing votes. He is doing this by saying that Serela is an idiot and therefore we shouldn't consider the motive behind her posts for determining her scum intent. That's exactly the opposite of what we should be doing. 'Scum would have switched'... is WIFIOM. Bad argument in defense of a bad argument and a bad vote. Red alert.
For the record, we lynch players who tunnel others because tunneling - refusing to consider any other player - is scummy. It's a tactic to fake towny-looking effort.
Then we get a push from NNR on Raikaria - an attempt to sway the lynch?
More (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1093751.html#msg1093751) vote suppression defence of Serela.
Taking his most worthless post and quoting it isn't really doing anyone justice, but I digress.
This is a blatant misrep of SB. Serela had not posted anything of merit at this stage. You are welcome to go and find the post to dispute this fact. Tip: You won't find one. I know this because I looked when I was making my case against Serela. NNR apparently didn't check. Why?
Then more defence of Serela etc etc uses sarcasm to goad SB into a vote on Raikaria.
NNR
Vote (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1093752.html#msg1093752) suppression on Raikaria. Raikaria sounds like he doesn't even really know why he's voting Serela, except that he can't think of anyone better. Sounds like the conviction a real pro town would have, I'm sure.
It's scummy because NNR isn't making a case on Raikaria. He's trying to insinuate that Raikaria must be scum because he is voting Serela. Note that NNR also chose to pursue SB because of his vote on Serela. SB vote switches to ActionDan, Raikaria doesn't. Guess who gets NNR's vote? Yep, it's Raikaria.
For somebody who insists they aren't defending Serela, well...all your posts are defending Serela or suppressing the people who are voting for her.
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I'm voting NNR for chainsaw defending of Serela, vote suppression tactics, attempts to silence criticism of Serela, and indirect buddying. I don't agree with his case on Raikaria because it seems to rely on begging the victim rather than actual logic and analysis of posts.
##vote NekoNekoRex
I'm voting NNR over Serela because in my experience the defender is usually scum rather than the defendee.
I will be afk for hammer unless I wake up crazy early, which could happen. I actually wanted to put a case on DNA as well but I am out of time; and I would happily lynch a male ActionDan since his performance has not really improved.
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you should work to make stuff more palatable if you are making a genuine attempt to be understood. that said its still something i need to work on myself so lol
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and since i haven't heard any further arguments against me at the moment i am going to case raitaki.
heres what raitaki did to me
-he started the attack on my bad case
-came to conclusion of bad play=scummy
-i told everyone this is d1 and right out of rvs
-raitaki drops case on me, jumps to dan
-leaves a remark i think some people are townreading DNA even so i will drop this atm
ok, so now we have all these. why is raitaki scum? because he was opportunistic for wagons and ignorant of gamestate, both of which defining scum traits.
for opportunistic, raitaki jumped hurriedly onto me, as per tradition of motk to lynch wordy players d1 because less material=higher chance wordy people piss people off by saying wrong stuff. after raitaki was met with the aforementioned rebuttal, he quickly retracted his attack even and latched onto dan with a vote park.
for inaware of game state, raitaki caught my eye with this segment of this post,@Dan: My post #31 was basically just making -anything at all- happen. It was some time after D1 started (seemed longer than 12 hours to me since I wasn't around when it started, and still too lazy to change time zone on my profile), and the game was still barely on the first post of second page, and I was angrily mashing F5 to see nothing happening, so eh.
Regarding the Serela vs. Sky_Pal thing: both still read null to me, with Serela looking slightly better. Feels like it might be town vs. town in fact. Don't feel like lynching either over Dan or DNA atm.
NNR could go either way. It looks like he's putting in effort, but his arguments are mainly pretty basic and simple (SB was twitterposting, Raikaria's fluffy wagon hop, etc.) and could be as easily typed up by scum imo. I find the amount of weight he gave SB's RVS-era blurbs weird, and an ISO of his posts kinda suggests no one but Dan, SB or Raikaria exists (and that Serela is some distant historical figure whose existence he briefly defended).
Zakeri ga shinda, someone bring him back
SB would look town to me if he didn't start a trend of vote first, explain later this game, except for the Dan vote which honestly anyone could make at this point. Which is basically saying yeah NNR does have a point.
Dan looks lynchable to me. Forgive the bias but slinking off for like the entirety of the game up til now just to have "eh looks solid but this one RVS-era post looks weird as fuck" as the case behind his vote is just insufficient.
Raikaria looks kinda like how he usually goes about early game. Uncertain.
Once agaaaiiin not enough people agree with my vote, and I think a couple even townread DNA, so I guess I should switch votes for now, especially since I don't know if I'd have transportation to arrive home before deadline tomorrow. Reading this game is mildly tough, partly because of the amount of content so far and partly because there are 4 fewer people for me to look at and for other people to interact with.
##Unvote
##Vote: ActionDan
this bolded segment is pure distilled tunneling and wagon hopping, both of which are what raitaki accused his 'scumreads' for. moreover, the only people explicitly pointing out that they read me as strong town was Dan. now given raitaki is apparently aiming to gun dan, him ignorant of such an unpopular opinion made by dan is clear proof that he hasnt been paying attention to his lynches, another defining trait of scums. in fact if you were the people being called out on by raitaki you would notice his so called 'accusations' are vague and ambiguous enough that they only conclude your general behavior, or sometimes are even completely off the mark (like saying many people townread DNA when in reality its only dan, raitaki's scumread)
##Unvote
##Vote:Raitaki
mb we should lynch him instead of consolidating on people, especially since dan did actually make an effort to play
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I'd agree in general though I could have sworn some people were giving you mild town reads
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really? i will need to reread the rhread, but in all honesty i dont recall people giving me town reads lol
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It depends at which part of the thread we're talking about, I knew it happened at some points but it might have been after that. That being said I keep getting assigned earlier shifts lately and sleeping in is sooooo gooooood so I have to consolidate and leave. Deadline is a few minutes after my work shift ends so yeah.
There's two on Dan, NNR, and Raitaki (and for everyone who's wondering, my wagon is down to 1 now). I'm not really feeling the Raitaki lynch. :T While I'm there, about DNA's case against him
-i told everyone this is d1 and right out of rvs
TBH this is kind of justification for Raitaki's case being what it is, because on d1 you don't -have- anything to go on but this kind of shenanigans yet. And if people actually were townreading you at that point in time then your arguments against him don't add up to much; the deadline hop thing is legit consolidation, although you might have a point with the tunneling part since I don't remember Raitaki's posts super well after just getting out of bed. That being said I could see town!dna having this reaction and the amount of people townreading him -now- seems to be increasing so I probably shouldn't worry about it this much when I kind of need to vote and leave soon
Okay so that's Dan or NNR
Dan is actually (kind of?) sheeping NNR's sb read that I thought was weird, and NNR's been putting in effort and pushing things pretty well etc, which in general means even if he's scum we should hopefully be able to tell even easier later, I'd rather lynch Dan than that not to mention Dan's vote in the catchup post is "Well I don't like Raitaki's face even though it's pretty solid" during consolidation time, even though he actually has more solid stuff against other people
and well I could keep going on but I'm sleepy and might not be explaining things very well anyway, and I need to eat breakfast before I have no time to do so before work
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OH WAIT I NEED TO ACTUALLY VOTE
##Unvote
##Vote ActionDan
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##Unvote: Serela
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
I really don't like that he's trying to push Raikaria as scum for thinking Serela is trying to get an easy mislynch and then using the fact that Sky hasn't been mislynched yet as evidence that Raikaria is scum for his line of thinking. I'm not sure what the purpose of treating Raikaria as if he was just released from an asylum is.
Willing to lynch Dan since I usually just ignore him. Normally I'd be cursing policy lynches but time and again proves we need them to actually happen.
Honestly, I feel like NNR is just as bad as Dan, except that where Dan doesn't bother hiding it anymore and everyone knows what to look for NNR just hung back quietly and didn't bring attention to the fact.
Me?!?
This is all wrong.
I think Raikaria is scum for doing an obvious wagon hop onto Serela. He doesn't even sound serious about the vote till much later (which he admits), then he admits it's partially based off policy (even worse), and now he's just making stuff up to convict Serela based on events which haven't happened yet. Using meta (the worst crime of all).
Also, I have to sleep, you know. I can't watch this thread all hours of the bloody night.
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Fine, if we're going to play this game, then Dan makes a good enough lynch for me, anyway.
##Unvote
##Vote: ActionDan
I think people are forgetting the that to lurk I need to actually be reading the thread.
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That's L-1 btw
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you dont put ppl at l1 without wanting to end the day, retract your vote like now ty
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Sigh. I'm a conformable pr. Also I'm doctor von DOOOOOOOOM.
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And by confirmable I mean the friendly neighbor kind of confirmable
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##Unvote
Fine, I didn't even think it was L-1 until I looked.
Anyway, Skypal's vote on me is what baffles me the most.
I'm voting NNR over Serela because in my experience the defender is usually scum rather than the defendee.
This makes no sense to me. None whatsoever.
Look, I'm defending Serela because there are scummier players, and Serela in turn is just an idiot townie in comparison. Not because I'm putting Serela off the hunt-list, but because there are worse to lynch.
Second, defending isn't even indicative of alignment unless Serela actually flips scum, and even then I'm just a townie trying to get people to vote someone I think is worse. If that's 'vote suppression' or whatever fancy term you want to call it, fine.
Defending in itself isn't even that bad unless the player obviously has ulterior motives in doing so (like if the defendee is a scumbuddy) so I don't see the problem.
It's scummy because NNR isn't making a case on Raikaria. He's trying to insinuate that Raikaria must be scum because he is voting Serela. Note that NNR also chose to pursue SB because of his vote on Serela. SB vote switches to ActionDan, Raikaria doesn't. Guess who gets NNR's vote? Yep, it's Raikaria.
First off, Rikaria is scum because he is voting in a horribly lazy way, and being waffly about it, and making poor arguments. Second, both Raikaria AND SB are scummy, and I'm not done with SB by any stretch, so you're just plain misguided. Third, they're acting like scumbuddies together anyway, since SB is blatantly ignoring any scummy behavior from Raikaria. So I have plenty of reason to be voting one or the other.
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##Vote: Raikaria Okay, sure, I'd like to be masons with Dan.
I'm sorry but what has been happening Day 1 the last few games is someone votes Sky for a bad reason, pushes on it, Sky takes the bait and gets himself lynched; generally by over-reacting or saying something really silly.
It's happened the last 2~3 games in a row.
It's hardly 'conspiracy theorist' when it's already happened before.
Not happy with Dan's 'content', but it is content. Also I'm a male Actiondan.
I don't like this game. Aside from Serela [Who I have said is minor] no one really stands out as really scummy to me. I *am* grasping at straws. I'll freely admit that.
Actually, yeah, nothing here convinces me that he's town. Scum by default have a harder time scumhunting, and this is a classic case of such.
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Although last time I saw that claim it was cult, but I don't think BT is that much of an idiot to put cult in a small game.
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I don't have the energy to quantify the reasons why I am scumreading NNR but I am scumreading him, with my gut.
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Skimmed the thread. See votes on Raitaki and NNR and I'd really rather not vote that way. Would prefer to go DNA, with Raikaria as a backup. Gonna read more in depth now.
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ugh tbh i'm not motivated enough to make a big post now, sorry guys
##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria
There's more of a chance of this going through than DNA.
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SB, why do you want to lynch me? Provided that you believe I am scum, why am I scum? Elaborate please.
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your serela case was terrible and it didn't look like you were actually attempting to scumhunt rather than just riding on the "get rid of liabilities" thing and your raitaki case reads more like an omgus rather than you think he's scum
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Votecount 1.7
Raikaria: (2) NekoNekoRex, SB
ActionDan: (2) Raitaki, Serela
Raitaki: (2) ActionDan, Darkninjaabc
NekoNekoRex: (2) Zakeri, Sky_Paladin
Serela: (1) Raikaria
Not Voting: [0/9] N/A
You have 4 hours and 30 minutes. 5 votes are needed for a majority.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140508T00&p0=110&msg=Day+1)
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Votes at the peak of the ActionDan wagon, for convenience:
ActionDan: (4) SB, Raitaki, Serela, NekoNekoRex
Raitaki: (2) ActionDan, Darkninjaabc
NekoNekoRex: (2) Zakeri, Sky_Paladin
Serela: (1) Raikaria
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NNR I'm not sure if you've realized it but every time you try to lynch me I'm town.
Anyway, Serela vote ain't happening and I'm back from my exam.
First thing first, SB's sudden flip to me isn't good. Especially after NNR literally just called him out for 'ignoring everything Raikaria has done' and accusing him of being a potential scumbuddy. And especially with that lack of any real reasoning except 'I don't think DNA is getting lynched'.
I really don't like the NNR votes, but I think voting Zakeri or Sky because of it is a stupid move. Likewise, I don't think voting SB is going to work because while his recent vote is absolutely awful and a blatant attempt to cuddle up with NNR to change his opinion on himself, he's not being voted by anyone.
So that realistically leaves me between ActionDan and Raitaki.
Be back after re-reading those two. Shouldn't take too long seeing ActionDan's level of content.
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Opinions change, I looked over your posts again and decided that NNR's case on you was stronger than my townread was. Your reaction to this just makes me feel like it was a good idea since it just feels like you're trying to paint me as scum just because I'm on your case now, rather than it being scummy.
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Just to specify, I think NNR is putting the most town effort in of anyone, if a little tunnel-happy on my back, it's a lot more town effort than I'm seeing from pretty much everyone else.
And ugh my vote choices are between someone I townread [Although reading Sky's case in particular makes me less unhappy about the votes on NNR; I can see Zakeri and Sky's points, I just don't think NNR is scum], someone who's hardly done anything of note and someone who really, really comes off as a big pile of null to me.
Well, and myself. But I'm town and I'm not lynching myself.
Eh, I'm just gonna have to go with the fact that in MotK Town, lurking is usually correlated to scum. All the options suck to vote for IMO, I'd still much rather see a Serela, or at this point, SB, lynch.
##Unvote
##Vote: Actiondan
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Opinions change, I looked over your posts again and decided that NNR's case on you was stronger than my townread was. Your reaction to this just makes me feel like it was a good idea since it just feels like you're trying to paint me as scum just because I'm on your case now, rather than it being scummy.
Opinions change but you didn't give any or explain it. And it was directly after NNR accused you of being a scmbuddy.
So excuse me for thinking you're just attempting to cover the fire NNR put under your rear.
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Also I'll be here for the deadline, and since my opinion on all the viable lynches at this point is 'Eeeeh...' I'm open to making up numbers for the hammer if I have to do so.
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I think you missed Dan's claim? His role confirms him as town to anyone who he targets at night, if I understand it right, so we're not lynching him today.
And NNR accusing me of being scum and my read changing on you happened at a similar time because, well, NNR had to be actually posting for both of those things to happen, so.
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Oh so that's what a 'freindly neighbour kind of confirm-able' means. Although that's also something you can fake with a scumbuddy. Scumbuddy claims visit.
Still, fine.
##Unvote
##Vote: Raitaki
And NNR accusing me of being scum and my read changing on you happened at a similar time because, well, NNR had to be actually posting for both of those things to happen, so.
Except it didn't. NNR voted for me over an hour before you posted saying I was a 'backup', and you fluffed about voting DNA without doing so.
Then a few minuites later you just vote me anyway. After NNR attacked you for 'ignoreing' me. With no reasoning as to why your opinion changed. With that blatent fluff about wanting to lynch DNA over me, since you said DNA was your primary lynch, and then went and didn't vote him.
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I mean a degree of your justification seems to be my reaction to your vote. It seems you are to some degree accusing me of FoS'ing you as an OMGUS.
Except I'm not FoS'ing you because you are voting me. If that was the case NNR would not be my strongest townread. I'm FoS'ing you because your sudden voteflip came at a very convenient time [After NNR accused you] and had absolutely no reasoning besides 'I think this is more likely than DNA' despite it only being a one vote difference, which is hardly what I would see as a major reason to give up on your primary lynch.
Especially when I had mentioned I would consider lynching DNA, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
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i dont understand this, on one hand we have people who claims that i am being handed mild town reads and now some want me to drop dead, what the hell.
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I said before that I was of divided opinion on you, and that doubt makes me prefer lynching you over someone who comes across outright null.
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Votecount 1.8
Raitaki: (3) ActionDan, Darkninjaabc, Raikaria
Raikaria: (2) NekoNekoRex, SB
ActionDan: (2) Raitaki, Serela
NekoNekoRex: (2) Zakeri, Sky_Paladin
Not Voting: [0/9] N/A
You have 3 hours. 5 votes are needed for a majority.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140508T00&p0=110&msg=Day+1)
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Slight change of plans, I will be around until 45 mins before the deadline.
So yeah, forewarning on that. If you want to convince me to change my vote, now's probobly the time to do it.
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You have 1 hour and 30 minutes. 5 votes are needed for a majority.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140508T00&p0=110&msg=Day+1)
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##Unvote
Should arrive home for deadline in 40 mins or so
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this is actual consolidation time.
I think the ones in the running are Neko/Raitaki/Raikaria but who knows.
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SB a light will shine on you. enter the spotlight
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OK I'm staying on Raitaki I'm off now and no-one, including Raitaki himself who even posted, has done anything to change that.
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Well this patently sucks. Still feel like NNR's posts could come from either faction because of the...uh...easiness? of them. Raikaria still doesn't look much less null, but now he's scumreading SB for voting his only viable consolidate choice for some reason. This seems like a pretty weak reason to vote for lynch but my preferred lynch seems far from viable rn, so >_>
##Vote: Raikaria
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Urgh, can we have a show of hands? I don't even know if enough people are online to consolidate atm and I want to see if we can get a lynch if I claim or not
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tumbleweed.gif
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If Dan and the Rais are both here we could turbo DNA I guess.
Raikaria should claim.
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Raikaria ga shinda
I don't think Dan would do it, I think Dan was one of the people townreading DNA earlier
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Votecount 1.9
Raikaria: (3) NekoNekoRex, SB, Raitaki
Raitaki: (3) ActionDan, Darkninjaabc, Raikaria
NekoNekoRex: (2) Zakeri, Sky_Paladin
ActionDan: (1) Serela
Not Voting: [0/9] N/A
You have 30 minutes. 5 votes are needed for a majority.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140508T00&p0=110&msg=Day+1)
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*Raitaki should claim, although both Rais doing it might not be a bad idea >.>
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No point if nobody is here to do anything about it. That's why I asked who were here earlier.
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##Unvote, Vote Raitaki
I don't think e ither of them are super scummy but I'm hedging my bets on Raikaria. Sorry Taki.
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Votecount 1.10
Raitaki: (4) ActionDan, Darkninjaabc, Raikaria, Zakeri
Raikaria: (3) NekoNekoRex, SB, Raitaki
ActionDan: (1) Serela
NekoNekoRex: (1) Sky_Paladin
Not Voting: [0/9] N/A
You have 15 minutes. 5 votes are needed for a majority.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140508T00&p0=110&msg=Day+1)
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Alright fine
I'm Dr. Emmett L. Brown from Back to the Future. Binary doc. If I target someone who's already being protected, they lose protection. If I target someone who isn't protected, it acts as a normal doc.
Crumb reveal next post.
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It's like I'm eating golden salvation when I don't need it and keeping them away from those that don't
Maybe I should change my banana-binging ways
It's like I'm eating golden salvation when I don't need it and keeping them away from those that don't
This refers to doccing people who's already docced, and not doccing those who isn't
Then the next line is I should do the opposite of that
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In which the game where Zak doesn't go after me and vice versa doesn't happen
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Argh goddamnit Zak why are you appearing as offline
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You have 8 minutes. 5 votes are needed for a majority.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140508T00&p0=110&msg=Day+1)
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In which the game where Zak doesn't go after me and vice versa doesn't happen
I'm pretty certain That only happens in games where we're both scum though.
I can switch to Raikaria if needed if whoever shows up wants that instead, or it only people on Raitaki's wagon are here.
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ahh Screw it, ##Unvote, ##Vote: Raikaria Raitaki's claim and recent banter make me feel good about him right now.
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Votecount 1.11
Raikaria: (4) NekoNekoRex, SB, Raitaki, Zakeri
Raitaki: (3) ActionDan, Darkninjaabc, Raikaria
ActionDan: (1) Serela
NekoNekoRex: (1) Sky_Paladin
Not Voting: [0/9] N/A
You have 5 minutes. 5 votes are needed for a majority.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140508T00&p0=110&msg=Day+1)
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Welp, this still looks like a NL to me :C
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Actually If Raitaki's the only other one here, he might need to self hammer.
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You have 3 minutes. 5 votes are needed for a majority.
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I don't want to though. DNA's like the only one with an actual case against me ; v;
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That's kind of :v
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You have 1 minute! 5 votes are needed for a majority.
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I'm like almost a doc here, have some sympathy for the medical professional ;_;
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##Unvote
##Vote: Raitaki
sorry
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##Unvote
##Vote: Raitaki
panic at the hammer
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merde
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Votecount 1.12 - Final
Raitaki: (5) ActionDan, Darkninjaabc, Raikaria, SB, Zakeri
Raikaria: (2) NekoNekoRex, Raitaki
ActionDan: (1) Serela
NekoNekoRex: (1) Sky_Paladin
Not Voting: [0/9] N/A
lel I didn't count the seconds but I think that's kosher, update next!
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Raitaki was panic hammered so hard he went back to the future!
Dear Raitaki, you are Dr. Emmett Lathrop Brown.
(http://i.imgur.com/hBNfUXP.png)
You're a fictional character in the Back to the Future trilogy. You're a very passionate inventor. You invented the first time machine, which you built out of a DeLorean sports car.
You are a Town Binary Doctor. You may target a player during the night using the ##Protect action. If your target is protected from kills, they will no longer be. If your target isn't protected from kills, they will be.
You win if those aligned against the town are eliminated.
Night 1 begins now and ends in 24 hours. Send me all night actions privately if you have any.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140509T00&p0=110&msg=Night+1)
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Rise and shine! Zakeri's dead.
Dear Zakeri, you are Dr. Gregory House.
(https://i.imgur.com/8dR5f3e.png)
You're the title character in the medical drama House. You lead a team of diagnosticians as the Head of Diagnostic Medicine at the fictional Princeton-Plainsboro Teaching Hospital in New Jersey. Your unorthodox diagnostic approaches and radical therapeutic motives have resulted in plenty of conflicts between you and your colleagues.
You are a Vanilla Townie. You have no actions.
You win if those aligned against the town are eliminated.
Votecount 2.1
Not Voting: [7/7] Raikaria, ActionDan, NekoNekoRex, Serela, Sky_Paladin, SB, Darkninjaabc
Day 1 begins now and ends in 72 hours. 4 votes are needed for a majority.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140512T00&p0=110&msg=Day+2)
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Get my message sb?
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the one that says I'm town for clarification
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... I swear this isn't the first time Raitaki was the cop.
Actiondan and DNA were the ones who actually pushed it, everyone else kinda consolidated on it. So on that prinicpal, at least until SB confirms/denies PM:
##Vote: Actiondan
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Wait no Raitaki was a Doc not a cop shut up idiot Raikaria.
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I'm sorry Raitaki ;_;
I did in fact not get a message about anything during the night phase, so :/. I sent BT a message asking about action failure notification but meh.
##Vote: DNA
Still think that he's scum for the same reasons as last phase. Not going to expand on this further because phase end yesterday was horrible and losing 2/3 of my townreads like that is completely demotivating.
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OKAY I got a response from BT and apparently Dan should've been notified if his action failed so ummmmmmmm
##Unvote
##Vote: Action Dan
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I did in fact not get a message about anything during the night phase, so :/. I sent BT a message asking about action failure notification but meh.
I am actually more liable to belive this and think he got roleblocked than to believe you actually got a message. That would just make me think you were his scumbuddy.
Very well then, DNA it is for pushin' the Doc.
##Unvote
##Vote: DNA
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OKAY I got a response from BT and apparently Dan should've been notified if his action failed so ummmmmmmm
##Unvote
##Vote: Action Dan
Cut by this.
So, basically, one of you two is lying. Either BT never responded saying that, or Actiondan lied about him being able to self-confirm in the first place. After all, Actiondan would not have openly asked you in-thread about the confirmation. I guess a Bus Driver is a possibility but I doubt that in a 9p game.
I need to think over which situation is more likely.
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##Unvote
We got a 1v1 here.
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BT said in most cases he should know, so yeah. If Dan did get redirected or something the new target should confirm it.
Also Raitaki's flip suggests multiple protective roles, so yeah.
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Well, my PM inbox is blank.
I'm about ready to vote Raikaria for the same reasons as yesterday but I need to figure out why the hell Raitaki got powerlynched in the first place.
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Why the hell didn't Zak hammer Raikaria?
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Why the hell am I an idiot that can't read?
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I just got the response
I'm a vig. SB isn't dead
##vote
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##vote sb
I actually thought zak would've been the partner
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Obviously if I had got the notification that my action went through I would have lead out with the vote immediately
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Lmao I got sent two messages, the 2nd one looks like it should have been sent to BT. I could elaborate further on the specific inquiry it's answering but I'm not sure if I'd be allowed to since that's approaching a game breach. Suffice it to say it all but confirms BT as scum with scum having a protective role. either BP or possibly a doc
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*sent to SP
*all but confirms SP as scum
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I don't see how Dan's failed vig automatically equates to SB is scum. There are probably multiple doctor types in the game, what if SB just happened to be covered by one?
Dan did lie about his role though so I'm pretty :/ about that.
I wasn't around for the let's lynch Raitaki party or the Raikaria train either. I'm still questioning NNR for diverting the lynch away, however I'm actually pretty alarmed by Raikaria's behaviour so far this phase.
1 -> votes for Dan immediately without waiting for a report.
2 -> Mistook Raitaki for a cop instead of a doc. That's just weird.
3 -> Immediately votes DNA for 'pushing for the doc'. That's not really what happened. Raikaria was the main lynch target but there wasn't enough people around to hammer him, so it switched to the next person available. In fact, DNA wasn't even around when people jumped twice.
4 -> Jumps on the 'well it must be a 1v1' conclusion very easily.
Cut by Dan multiple times.
OK well let's settle down and let the mod sort it out. No need to post it in public like that.
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Well this is hilarious.
A lot of people thought SB was town iirc, and given the game is called DOCTOR WARS, and the nature of Raitaki's role, there is most likely more than one doc. SB very well could have simply been docced, so this doesn't make him "confirmed protective scum".
oh wait cut by dan saying he meant skypal, huh? cut more idc
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I mean I think we can mass claim to solve this 1v1 completely if the above info is not sufficient. I don't expect town to have any other PRs besides me at this point.
also agree that raikaria's posts weirded me out holy crap.
but that's for another day.
and about the message... I just can't not use it, though all it does is takes away the "what if random shit happened" factor.
always down for a mass claim to definitely prove it.
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goddamit*
I meant SB.
SB.
I'm dyslexic
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and excited.
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also Serela I do think he is likely docced. but I think scum docced. like probably a scum binary doctor
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And by confirmable I mean the friendly neighbor kind of confirmable
I didn't lie about my role yesterday, (if I was a friendly neighbor I would have left it at confirmable), I implied that it would be confirmable in a way which would become obvious.
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ACTIONDAN YOU'RE CONFUSING ME.
I don't think we should massclaim though, and I really don't think this is a 1v1 either, but I don't know what AD has heard. Cut by more stuff. A scum binary doctor would make sense to be in the game I think (that sounds pretty cool for a high-doc game actually) but your explanation seems to be "Since SB was doctored, scum must have done it, so SB is scum", and I don't understand the last two points unless you're assuming in a 9P Doctor Wars silly break game the town surely wouldn't have more than one doc.
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Votecount 2.2
SB: (1) ActionDan
ActionDan: (1) SB
Not Voting: [5/7] NekoNekoRex, Serela, Sky_Paladin, Darkninjaabc, Raikaria
You have 69 hours. 4 votes are needed for a majority.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140512T00&p0=110&msg=Day+2)
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... apparently the 2nd message was meant for me and BT is very confuse at what I was doing in my opening remarks. herp on him IMO.
Anyway I concede that MAYBE random stuff could have happened and BT is not scum. BUT YEAH RIGHT. I wasn't roleblocked and he's not dead. redirector? maybe but it's pretty OP with a vig + whoever it would have been redirected to isn't dead (and scum aren't going to kill zak twice [unless potentially they thought I was a friendly neighbor and wanted to send me to zak for that reason...]) doc? ok but I don't really believe scum wouldn't doc themselves THOUGH it's possible it's a frame job since I'm alive and they guessed I was going to shoot SB. STILL it's a lynch I would have wanted anyway and after a MC I'd be town anyway and I'll be the kill the next night
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if SB is scum I don't really think the partner is DNA/Skypal.
I think it could be Neko, but that implies a huge deliberate bus which isn't outside of Neko's range of play.
Most likely to be Serela/Raikaria.
that's my pretty gun to head idea of things. I'll fine tune this later.
I think we should procede with a mass claim though.
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I like how none of your explanations is "a town doc might have docced sb" ;_; I think in DOCTORS WARS it's very realistic to think there are multiple town docs. Especially when (some?) are binary and might screw with eachother :V
I imagine Dan is, like, a CPR doc (which is basically a vig except better)
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No I'm 100 percent vig. Serela if you are a town doc that happened to be on sb you should say so.
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Why would a town doc doc sb over me?
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If nothing else I don't really see why massclaim is worth it right now, but I guess I'll wait and see what people other than you think about this situation.
Cut:Because you're such an obvious target that scum probably wouldn't risk killing you unless they already had a hitman or something like that? I mean I'd consider SB the best runner-up doc target imo
also some people might actually be relieved if you turned up dead `__________` No offense meant but
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Also 2 town docs docing each other with a vig sounds pretty strong. Doesn't matter if scum have a counter. That's strong
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This is a good point.
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I'm confused and still think SB has been decently scummy enough to warrant a lynch. I'm not really against a Raikaria lynch either since I still think he's scum.
I do think Dan is town though, "Friendly Neighbor-type role" being a vig is kinda clever and I don't think he would really fuck up a claim this badly if he was scum.
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I reread DNA and I think he's good mislynch material right now, as in, he's not scummy enough to warrant a lynch. His push on Raitaki turned out wrong (and I don't know how the hell it managed to get to lynch) but I don't think he's to blame.
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Meaning, the people who voted DNA are probably scum.
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... apparently the 2nd message was meant for me and BT is very confuse at what I was doing in my opening remarks. herp on him IMO.
Anyway I concede that MAYBE random stuff could have happened and BT is not scum. BUT YEAH RIGHT. I wasn't roleblocked and he's not dead. redirector? maybe but it's pretty OP with a vig + whoever it would have been redirected to isn't dead (and scum aren't going to kill zak twice [unless potentially they thought I was a friendly neighbor and wanted to send me to zak for that reason...]) doc? ok but I don't really believe scum wouldn't doc themselves THOUGH it's possible it's a frame job since I'm alive and they guessed I was going to shoot SB. STILL it's a lynch I would have wanted anyway and after a MC I'd be town anyway and I'll be the kill the next night
Dan what.
I don't even think you're scum for this. I just think that you're stupid for pushing this as a 1v1.
I wasn't roleblocked and he's not dead. redirector? maybe but it's pretty OP with a vig + whoever it would have been redirected to isn't dead (and scum aren't going to kill zak twice [unless potentially they thought I was a friendly neighbor and wanted to send me to zak for that reason...]) doc? ok but I don't really believe scum wouldn't doc themselves THOUGH it's possible it's a frame job since I'm alive and they guessed I was going to shoot SB. STILL it's a lynch I would have wanted anyway and after a MC I'd be town anyway and I'll be the kill the next night
YOU DID NOT CLAIM ViG
YOU CLAIMED FRIENDLY TOWNIE
REDIRECTING YOU TO A CORPSE SO YOUR ROLE GOES UNPROVEN WOULD BE REASONABLE
I ALSO HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING YOU WERE A VIG
HOW THE HELL COULD I HAVE GUESSED YOU WERE PLANNING TO SHOOT ME
AND WHY ARE YOU NOT CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT DOCTORS ARE USUALLY TOWN
This is too stupid.
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Like the first thing I want to complain is how I wasn't even there for the deadline, and things escalated in such a way that while I may have contributed for putting Raitaiki up as a lynch candidate it is kind of unreasonable to hold this against my throat for my deliberately pushing the doctor to death.
I mean I wasn't even there, it was UTC+8 for me and essentially in the midst of the night, Raikaria, get your facts straight please.
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Unfortunately, I am pretty busy tonight and has only skimmed the thread, will post more later.
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Actually I think I know the meaning of the caveat in Raitaki's role.
I'm a Bulletproof. Hence I am 'protected from nightkills'. If I get docced by Raitaki, that effectively removes my protection.
So let's not start dancing around with 'two town doc' theories in a 9 player game.
You did not push for the lynch at the end, DNA, you were on Raitaki since before everyone started running around like headless chickens in consolidation. I FoS'ed Actiondan for the exact same reason.
You two were the only players who actively pushed the Raitaki lynch. I went on there because I ran out of other people I was null on basically who were viable lynches and had not claimed a role they could 'self-prove', and the others were just pure consolidation. Hence it is reasonable to FoS you for pushing the Doc.
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Also either Actiondan got roleblocked or is lying, but I do find it strange.
If he was really a Vigilante, why did he ask SB about getting 'the message' start the start of the day. He should have clearly expected SB to be dead, so should have had no need to ask SB about his 'message' confirming him as town. I find this fishy.
Not to mention... why would he even have shot SB; someone most read as town? I know he FoS'ed SB as a potential scumbuddy for me [And then I called SB out on what amounted to appeasement right afterwards]. Surely if he was a Vigilante; he would have probably shot me.
##Unvote
##Vote: Actiondan
Vig claim doesn't make sense with his lynch priorities and his actions at the very start of Day 2. Lynch All Liars also.
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I missed 'redirected' in Actiondan possibilities. Although if SB is telling the trust, a roleblock or a redirect to a dead body should have given Actiondan a message of his action failing.
Unless his shot killed the VT when he was redirected and it was the mafia's action that failed. But Vig shots are almost always after Mafia shots, and the odds of that happening in the first place feel rather slim.
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Why wouldn't I shoot someone I thought was scum raikaria? I asked the question in case he said yes considering I crumbled he was going to be the target d1.
Your bp claim is just as strong as a 2nd town doc and i'm not sure I believe it.
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Why wouldn't I shoot someone I thought was scum raikaria? I asked the question in case he said yes considering I crumbled he was going to be the target d1.
Your bp claim is just as strong as a 2nd town doc and i'm not sure I believe it.
I find a BP who gets his vest canceled if he is Docced a lot more plausible than there being two doctors in a 9p game which probobly has 7 townies.
Especially with your Vig claim.
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Wait, then what does that leave SB with? No doc protection?
I'm not sure I trust Raikaria's claim since I still think he's scum, and I don't know why he's voting ActionDan when he thinks the role setup makes sense?
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I'm not sure I trust Raikaria's claim since I still think he's scum, and I don't know why he's voting ActionDan when he thinks the role setup makes sense?
I think 2 Docs dosen't make sense.
My reason for voting ActionDan is his actions:
1: He pushed the Doc
2: He asked SB about his 'message' when if he was a Vig such a thing should not have even existed or been required
3: He lied about his role
4: Nothing is proving his role, and he has not stated that he was roleblocked or that his role failed, as SB says he would have been told. SB has not claimed a hit vest or anything, there probobly isn't another Doc, and I'm the BP anyway.
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I think 2 Docs dosen't make sense.
My reason for voting ActionDan is his actions:
1: He pushed the Doc
2: He asked SB about his 'message' when if he was a Vig such a thing should not have even existed or been required
3: He lied about his role
4: Nothing is proving his role, and he has not stated that he was roleblocked or that his role failed, as SB says he would have been told. SB has not claimed a hit vest or anything, there probobly isn't another Doc, and I'm the BP anyway.
2, 3 and 4 combined suggest Actiondan is lying about his role, especially since his asking of SB about a 'message' at the start of D2 does not match up with his current Vig claim whatsoever in any way. Not to mention him shooting SB dosen't make much sense. I think a Vig would have shot me.
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My reason for voting ActionDan is his actions:
1: He pushed the Doc
2: He asked SB about his 'message' when if he was a Vig such a thing should not have even existed or been required
3: He lied about his role
4: Nothing is proving his role, and he has not stated that he was roleblocked or that his role failed, as SB says he would have been told. SB has not claimed a hit vest or anything, there probobly isn't another Doc, and I'm the BP anyway.
1. Ya? And?
2. It didn't do any harm to ask in case he said yes
3. I never lied about my role except in the implication in point 2
4. I was not roleblocked and I succeeded in attempting to kill someone as I have since stated since I was made aware of it by the mod
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That's lovely you think a vig would have shot you but you don't speak for me and I crumbed who I was shooting yesterday
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2 docs and a BP sounds like my Villains Anonymafia 2 setup, and that was broken. And made for 14 players.
2 protection roles is more then enough for a 9p Mafia game, unless Scum has multiple Strongmans.
I think SB is scum.
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Raikaria your mind is all over the places and the impression I get from skimming your recent spam was that you are panicking and biting your own tongue due to rising suspicions on your towniness. I am inclined to vote you with gut simply for that though, yet fortunately, as aforementioned I am busy and do not want to jump to conclusions atm, needless to say I will keep being updated for the thread.
And holy shit, Dan is actually contributive this game, you have to be scum or someone so heavily blinded by bias that you are incapable of spotting the radical differences present in their behavior. And for those who argue for that Dan is just faking this as scum, from what I know of Dan, hes a long-standing mafia player for not only MoTK but other sites as well, and as such the value of each individual game win or lose should be relatively minor for him, not enough to justify such a massive behavior change. Besides, I personally don't think Dan in his scum state of mind would actually hover away from the safe meta that has saved scums countless times and go out from the shadows to take the fight upon himself.
I know I am massive hard defending here because hell why not, NNR and rai sport some rather interesting yet briefly elaborated idea which they consider enough to call for his lynch, I don't think so, and you guys should explain stuff to us proper like with paragraphs and references and quotes. I have already sufficiently elaborated elsewhere why twitterposting is ineffective and biased as fuck because you as the writer are leaving things up to the readers interpretation which shouldn't happen in a game of mafia because it belies the playerbase any writer intent and makes scumhunting ineffective. Long story short, I want to see quotes man, QUOTES THAT SHOW THE CRIMES PEOPLE ACTUALLY COMMITTED. If you do that and I won't have to open up eight tabs at once or to refer to my general understanding of your behavior to understand the logic preceding a single sentence accusation I can probably respond in five minutes.
cut by 2
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I can understand role gaming enough to comment about it though, so here I am.
Let's visualize what we have here. Like in maths for easier general understanding.
1. Binary doctor
2. VT
3. claimed Vig
4. claimed BP
5.???
6.???
7.???
8.Scum
9.Scum
This is the playerlist, and a likely one at that. If there happens to be three scum and a vig fuck me I am done with this BS. And most of which happening atm is only about people have a dilemma about whether to go straight massclaim or not, and we are kind of debating rather ineffectively with twitterpostings about META and POWER BALANCE. This sucks, we have three unknown town roles and its probably going to help us more than hurt us to claim and to weed out the liars, its just easier that way. Going into the night with claimed Vig and BP are just giving scums the knowledge of who to shoot.
In fact in order to make the potential return greater I am going to kick off the claiming phase myself, DNA is a VT, fuck this, I want powerful experimental PRs to play with and this is all I have. Nonetheless I am trying hard to play here, so cooperate with me please.
So, considering my claim, this is now what we have
1. Binary doc
2. VT
3. claimed Vig
4. claimed BP
5. claimed VT
6. ???
7.???
8.Scum
9.Scum
If you are town and has a PR cough it up now
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I'm not too sure about a massclaim, since it's rather early in the game. If we still have an investigative role, it'd be too early to out them.
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By early you mean for 16 or 14 player games, this is a 9 player game.
With the Doctor already dead and the Vig and BP claimed, theres honestly not much more for town to lose.
(although personally i think the BP claim that is Raikaria's is faulty but bleh theoreticals must be unbiased so lets assume hes serious for now)
And moreover, the number of VTs also give a good idea to how the game was set in mind.
Town literally has less to lose with Vig outed and Doc dead, if we don't claim today its essentially giving scum free knowledge to hit on the Vig.
Besides NNR, you are biting your own tongue off here again. You reminded us over and over about meta, yet you tell us scums would prioritize shooting Cop over Vig, guilty response?
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A questionable Vig who previously claimed that he visited people at night and they got a message that he was town previously, and who the one he visited didn't die, while he has not said that he got a message saying his action failed.
And who also pushed on the Doctor.
I would say that the Vigilante claim is a lot less solid than my BP claim. What have I done to disprove that I am a BP? Nothing. Actiondan's done quite a lot to disprove that he's a Vig.
Thing is, if he was a Vig, why did he not shoot his main FoS; me? Why does he claim to have shot SB, who several people townread? Bonus points because if Dan had shot me I could actually confirm both of us.
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You weren't my main Fos. I crumbed my target explicitly as well
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I love how you're not in least questioning how sb survived besides to call me scum
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God do people in this game have a habit of just snapping their jaws on their tongue and assume nobody noticed the blood going all over your smiley. Stop it creeps me out, its creepy, almost batman-Joker ships esque levels of creepy.
Raikaria, what you gave us here is a blatant pile of misrepresentation and assumptions based on wrong premises. First of all, lets look at what you gave us.
A questionable Vig who previously claimed that he visited people at night and they got a message that he was town previously, and who the one he visited didn't die, while he has not said that he got a message saying his action failed.
And who also pushed on the Doctor.
I would say that the Vigilante claim is a lot less solid than my BP claim. What have I done to disprove that I am a BP? Nothing. Actiondan's done quite a lot to disprove that he's a Vig.
Thing is, if he was a Vig, why did he not shoot his main FoS; me? Why does he claim to have shot SB, who several people townread? Bonus points because if Dan had shot me I could actually confirm both of us.
Okay, so here we have a few neatly paragraphed ideas, unfortunately they are all blatantly wrong, anyway, let me summarize it.
1. AD fakeclaimed as Vig D1 and is unreliable
2. AD pushed the doctor lynch so he has malicious intentions
3. AD did wrong things and Raikaria didn't, so Raikaria is in the right
4. AD was lying because he didn't hit his FoS during D1, SCUMTELLZ
Why 1. is wrong: Fakeclaiming as Vig D1 is perfectly reasonable imo as long as you believe that you have crumbed sufficiently hard before. And its not strange when its coming from AD. Remember the HW game where AD was miller? Yeah, that one. I personally have already elaborated why from a AD PoV it is not likely for him to be scum, and his general behavior still correlates with his town play, your conclusion is invalid.
Also Raikaria you did the same thing before with masons, you even came up with a code that reversed the word ''mason'' to give ''nosam'' and encrypted the code in five consecutive words along with your mason buddy. Are you truly suffering from Romneisa, or are you truly and hopelessly scum?
Why 2. is wrong: AD didn't push for Doctor lynch, like what everybody have concluded already ED1 was basically to decide whether to consolidate on Raitaki or Raikaria. But a bit before that, AD was a perfectly valid wagon since there was actually enough people to call for his lynch. As such, AD defending himself is again a perfectly reasonable and not deliberate response. MOREOVER, it has always been a mafia tradition to disregard claims that are too close to the deadline because the panic leads to wrong decisions.
For all the above reasons, you premises is wrong, and as such, your conclusion drawn from is also wrong.
Worst still, the wrong premises given by you demonstrate that you have no clue of the gamestate and our discussion, which is not in ratio relative to your active participation in the game measured via posts. This, coupled with your opinions which are always scattered and disconnected makes you seem to have been largely unaware of the game state, generic scum error.
Why 3. is wrong: lol first you did alot of wrong things raikaria, you opinions were scattered and disconnected and you make blatantly wrong accusations such as in this post, moreover other people being wrong doesn't make you in the right, you need to be actually doing reliable and trustworthy things to win our trust, come on. this is a yr7 level logical fallacy.
Why 4. is wrong: again raikaria is inaare of gamestate and ignorant of meta. We have the obvious lynchee who was a doctor. if he was lynched and raikaria you was correct in thinking AD pushed for the doc lynch, naturally he would reconsider who to shoot. sb is lurky and contributed little, yet MoTK style doesn't lynch the lurkers, if i had the power i would shoot him too tbh.
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By early you mean for 16 or 14 player games, this is a 9 player game.
With the Doctor already dead and the Vig and BP claimed, theres honestly not much more for town to lose.
(although personally i think the BP claim that is Raikaria's is faulty but bleh theoreticals must be unbiased so lets assume hes serious for now)
And moreover, the number of VTs also give a good idea to how the game was set in mind.
Town literally has less to lose with Vig outed and Doc dead, if we don't claim today its essentially giving scum free knowledge to hit on the Vig.
Besides NNR, you are biting your own tongue off here again. You reminded us over and over about meta, yet you tell us scums would prioritize shooting Cop over Vig, guilty response?
i doubt Dan has a second vig, but whatever.
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I'm pretty sure that a binary doc wouldn't be in there solely to fuck over a single BPV.
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Anyway I'm a bit calmer now and I'm gonna go through with a reread because ugh.
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Oh, and Dan, do you have another shot of your role? This is important.
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Votecount 2.3
ActionDan: (2) SB, Raikaria
SB: (1) ActionDan
Not Voting: [4/7] NekoNekoRex, Serela, Sky_Paladin, Darkninjaabc
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Reading this thread is making me feel slightly insane. Maybe everyone is a mafia traitor and all my townbuddies are dead. Except maybe Serela.
I forgot how Dan did nothing for all of day 1 and is only alive because of his claim now, which probably isn't even true unless Serela is a doc and was on me or something (AND WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT I COULD'VE BEEN FREEEEEEEEEE ;_;). He basically hasn't updated his case on me at all except for ROLES, keeps insisting that scum definitely have a doc for a presumably limited vigilante that /probably doesn't even exist considering it's a 9p game/ and he hasn't done shit apart from that.
Despite what I thought yesterday too, NNR is also probably scum. His content today is basically "DNA is bad BUT NOT THAT BAD so he must be town and scum must be pushing for his mislynch THE DNA VOTERS ARE SCUM GUYS" and he completely disregards the fact that one of the guys pushing him, you know, flipped town. It's blatantly terrible and all he's said about me today despite me being suspicious apparently is YEP SB IS PROBABLY SCUM and he doesn't even try to push it beyond that.
I'd also like to say that I am also a power role, and I'm doubtful of Dan's existance alongside it. Even Raikaria could be argued as a stretch.
So yeah Dan/NNR scumteam Y/Y?
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Dan what.
I don't even think you're scum for this. I just think that you're stupid for pushing this as a 1v1.
YOU DID NOT CLAIM ViG
YOU CLAIMED FRIENDLY TOWNIE
REDIRECTING YOU TO A CORPSE SO YOUR ROLE GOES UNPROVEN WOULD BE REASONABLE
I ALSO HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING YOU WERE A VIG
HOW THE HELL COULD I HAVE GUESSED YOU WERE PLANNING TO SHOOT ME
AND WHY ARE YOU NOT CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT DOCTORS ARE USUALLY TOWN
This is too stupid.
Compare this with the above especially now that sb is claiming a pr and anybody will see how ludicrous It would be for a town sb to make these posts.
I also think it's just pretty sleazy in general that I have to wonder if the nnr stuff is a prescribed last effort bus.
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Oh, and Dan, do you have another shot of your role? This is important.
How about you first Mr I'm a pr that probably doesn't 3xist alongside a vig even though I thought Dan was town immediately
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I thought you were town because I didn't think you could be this stupid as scum.
Then I thought things over a bit and decided you being town didn't make any sense.
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I'm busy because birthday, but I think SB should probably claim unless most people just want to lynch Dan.
I think the way Dan is going about this is questionable, but that's very par for the course with Dan and I think this behavior could be expected from town!Dan. (That being said I could certainly see this as scum too, so, it could go either way)
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The waffle. Be sure to enjoy a large serving of bards cake today serela.
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I thought you were town because I didn't think you could be this stupid as scum.
Then I thought things over a bit and decided you being town didn't make any sense.
None of my speculation thus far has been near stupid. The miscalculation I could possibly have made at this point is if raikaria is town and there are 3 town prs when I thought 2 would suffice
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##Vote: SB
I don't think there are two town doctors. For one, flavor is unimportant in this game except that we all have PhDs (or are characters who would have them), and because two town doctors in a Mafia game isn't exactly balanced anyway.
If Dan is the vig, there's no good reason why SB would have survived a kill, except that he's scum with some kind of scum protection.
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My main concern is that Dan seems to keep driving it as a 1 v 1, which is not the case since it can simply be explained away as 'scum redirected Dan' or 'some other player did something'. This inability to think outside of the box feels generally off. It feels like Dan has some other specific knowledge that is impacting his thinking, which I will refer back to in just a moment.
The only other person who was driving it as a 1 v 1 is Raikaria with his weird beginning of the day antics.
On day 1 Dan claimed neighbourizer. Then, he crumbed targeting SB here. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1094125.html#msg1094125)
"SB a light will shine on you. enter the spotlight"
Except, how was that supposed to look day 2 according to Dan's claim? SB would have been dead. People would have asked "Hey who did you neighbourize, Dan?" and Dan would have said "Actually I am a vig and I shot SB."
OR would he have said "I targeted SB but he died :/" thus preventing us from checking his role claim for another day. If SB is scum and died, Dan would be super town confirmed now, but if SB is town and died, we'd probably be lynching Dan for lying about his claim. Instead we have a middle ground but Dan is still pushing a 1 v 1.
Dan didn't get his response for 'action failed' until quite some time after the phase transition, and not until SB had already voted Dan for failing to have mentioned an 'action failed' response.
Then there's this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1094453.html#msg1094453) weird message about getting a second message sent from the mod for a night result that apparently confirms first SB (eventually) as scum.
And finally, there's this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1094469.html#msg1094469).
I guess my first question is when do players get two night results for one action...? Dan was told his action failed (in his first message) and then got some kind of confirm guilty (in his second message). The first time he talked about the second message, he said he couldn't share it because it was a game break. Well, that was when he thought he got the message incorrectly.
Now Dan, you told us that the second message does belong to you. Is there any reason you therefore haven't shared it with the thread?
At this stage I want to vote ActionDan because his story keeps changing, but Dan said that he has some reason to think SB is scum because of a night result. Therefore, I want to know what this 'game break' info is, since apparently he is allowed to talk about it, and it can help us determine if it really is a 1 v 1.
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you're convoluting a lot of things :/
Three messages in total:
1. a night result PM that says I succeeded in attempting to kill someone
2. a message that denies that BT sends messages to people whom have been targeted for a kill (I thought this would have had to been sent to BT not me)
3. a message that explains message #2 was directed at me and not BT.
at the beginning of the day message #1 had not been sent to me yet.
sometime after, when I rechecked the thread, I saw both message #1 and message #2 in my inbox.
sometime after, I received message #3.
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... apparently the 2nd message was meant for me and BT is very confuse at what I was doing in my opening remarks. herp on him IMO.
Anyway I concede that MAYBE random stuff could have happened and BT is not scum. BUT YEAH RIGHT. I wasn't roleblocked and he's not dead. redirector? maybe but it's pretty OP with a vig + whoever it would have been redirected to isn't dead (and scum aren't going to kill zak twice [unless potentially they thought I was a friendly neighbor and wanted to send me to zak for that reason...]) doc? ok but I don't really believe scum wouldn't doc themselves THOUGH it's possible it's a frame job since I'm alive and they guessed I was going to shoot SB. STILL it's a lynch I would have wanted anyway and after a MC I'd be town anyway and I'll be the kill the next night
This is me "thinking outside the box" Sky Paladin. In the end it's likely via roles alone that SB is scum most likely for surviving the vig. Even if someone a redirector did redirect me, or some other random thing, I'd have still no problem voting SB, since random roles shens wouldn't imply that SB would be more likely to be town from them.
Right now SB is definitely scum from a claim of a 4th PR + his two incredibly asynchronous posts today.
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OK. So I guess we just need to look at the 'succeeded in attempting to kill someone'.
On MTF we would tell the hitter 'Your hit was blocked' or 'you were sabotaged'. Some indication that the action failed. I'm not clear what happens here.
But your hit succeeded.
So this would mean - SB is bulletproof or was protected in some way, yes? We can establish that you weren't redirected on to Zak because: scum hits resolve before vig hits (yes?).
That means that Zak was a scum hit, not a redirect hit. I think SB said as much before.
So far does this line up?
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all I know is that I wasn't roleblocked in some way. I could still have been redirected (I asked).
And I think here all kills resolve simultaneously
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Well never mind then, I was trying to work something out based on the assumption I could rule out a redirect.
So let's think about message #2.
"2. a message that denies that BT sends messages to people whom have been targeted for a kill (I thought this would have had to been sent to BT not me)"
Why would this have been sent to you?
It wouldn't have been sent to SB because this would basically confirm to a town!SB that he was hit overnight.
Did you ask for a clarification from BT, which prompted this message?
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nope. BT thought that I thought that my target would receive a message from my first two posts.
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I thought it was meant to be sent to SB if he thought he was targeted for a kill and asked about the meaning of what I said (would imply a scum SB with protection)
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Votecount 2.4
SB: (2) ActionDan, NekoNekoRex
ActionDan: (2) SB, Raikaria
Not Voting: [3/7] Serela, Sky_Paladin, Darkninjaabc
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I want a SB or Raikaria lynch.
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And I'd like an SB or an Actiondan lynch, since it's pretty obvious that one of them is scum. I don't think so much he would have been redirected, as much as a Bus Driver is more likely. A redirect I don't think the scum would have sent after the dead player. A bus drive of the dead player and one of them, however, would allow them to bypass any protection as well as mess up anyone targeting Raitaki.
And I dunno, from the looks of this setup so far with a Doc and a Vig and a BP on town, I'd be more inclined to think scum has a Bus Driver than a Redirecter, simply because there's only been one action revealed so far that scum would want to redirect off themselves, while there's two a Bus Driver would help more with.
So basically, either SB is scum and scum has a Bus Driver, who drove SB and Raitaki, or Actiondan is lying. I am pretty sure this is the case.
And as I said before, I feel like Actiondan's prior actions don't make sense is he is a Vig.
However, it is worrying that SB has suddenly entered lurkmode when things get hot for him. Like he dosen't want to get involved and possibly slip up. This is making me have second thoughts, especially combined with the blatant appeasement towards Actiondan he did towards the end of Day 1 when Actiondan FoS'ed him. Almost as if he did not want to be FoS'ed at all, even if it was by connections.
I mean... while I was AD's most solid scumread, he did scumread SB as well, if to a lesser extent, and even theorised me being scumbuddies with him.
Hmm, the more I think about it, the more plausable the fact that Actiondan might have shot SB over me could actually be.
Ah, let's see what happens.
##Unvote
##Vote: SB
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Raikaria, I'm really confused by your story.
Raitaki was lynched on day 1. He couldn't have been bussed night 1. The first half of your post that ends with "So basically, either SB is scum and scum has a Bus Driver, who drove SB and Raitaki, or Actiondan is lying" seems to be around the idea that somehow scum picked up Raitaki's corpse and used it to block a shot on SB...?
I can't so easily decide between the two. I was scum reading NNR, most people were scum reading Raikaria, but both of them are voting SB. It just makes me even more hesitant about voting him.
SB has been around in the last few hours so it's not like everything you said is invalid, but I'd like you to reconsider the situation.
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Raikaria, I'm really confused by your story.
Raitaki was lynched on day 1. He couldn't have been bussed night 1. The first half of your post that ends with "So basically, either SB is scum and scum has a Bus Driver, who drove SB and Raitaki, or Actiondan is lying" seems to be around the idea that somehow scum picked up Raitaki's corpse and used it to block a shot on SB...?
I can't so easily decide between the two. I was scum reading NNR, most people were scum reading Raikaria, but both of them are voting SB. It just makes me even more hesitant about voting him.
SB has been around in the last few hours so it's not like everything you said is invalid, but I'd like you to reconsider the situation.
Oh derp not Raitaki who was bussed; Zakeri.
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before we do this, please dont put ppl at l1.
and moreover, we need a massclaim before we go into the night
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People aren't good at writing down the correct names this game.
Whilst I was defending BT's side of things at the start of the day, after more claims have gone through (and me realizing 2 town docs is kind of -really- strong, plus then Raikaria claimed BP) yeah this does look kind of bad of him.
Wait why was AD good again? Oh yeah, because he crumbed. Yeah nevermind. I just woke up and I mixed things up. I really don't know which I'd rather lynch >_>; I liked SB's d1, so I'd lean towards lynching Dan, but SB claimed PR so I'm pretty interested in what that is considering town already has a good chunk of power claimed.
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People aren't good at writing down the correct names this game.
Whilst I was defending BT's side of things at the start of the day
QFT, ActionDan did it so many times that now even -I- can't spell SB correctly ;_;
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Fine, let's not put at L-1 yet then, although the amount of time that SB has been at L-1 without being hammered makes me think he's even more likely scum. [Scum quickhammering today makes sense, tomorrow would be LYLO, and if AD shot, it would be MYLO. With Serela still alive.]
##Unvote
For all intents and purposes, consider my vote on SB unofficially.
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Also, are we really massclaiming or not? It seems kind of iffy. If SB claimed another PR and we -didn't- lynch him over being possible scum I guess there'd be no reason not to, and even if he did get lynched it still wouldn't be too bad...
But you say things like that and then it turns out that wow, town has a lot of power, and we reveal even more roles we probably shouldn't've.
Cut:Raikaria you really are too paranoid about scum seriously trying to quickhammer. No, scum would not bring a ton of suspicion onto themselves by quickhammering SB if he's town. It's not lylo -now-, so they wouldn't do it.
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Except here's the thing Serela.
If SB is town and scum quickhammer, we are down to 6, with presumerably 2 scum.
Scum nightkill, down to 5 and LYLO. In which case we'd lynch and quickhammer, but we're still at LYLO the next day.
If Actiondan shoots the scum, and it's NOT redirected, we are 3:1 and MYLO.
If Actiondan shoots the scum and it is redirected and kills a townie we lose than and there.
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So no, I'm not paranoid. There is potential to lose the game tonight if we mislynch.
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Of course all this is assuming Actiondan really is a Vig.
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Serela, this is not being paranoid, Raikaria is WIFOMing us and getting himself hyped for the Bus Driver speculation which nobody really commented on.
We call this a guilty response, would lynch Rai over SB at this pt
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serela, stop wasting time and claim now.
if dan has another shot, he wont tell us obviously
even if dan doesn't, scum has to shoot dan to be safe anyway since they dont know
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So no, I'm not paranoid. There is potential to lose the game tonight if we mislynch.
Um... it'd be mylo or something if that was the case. And if the game doesn't end tonight, scum very most likely wouldn't consider quickhammering, unless it was from a scum very likely to kick the bucket soon anyway.
Anyway fine, I'm VT. There's several people who haven't claimed and I'm not going anywhere today (I... think?) so if we weren't fully massclaiming I didn't want to have already jumped at it. :T Also Darkie, Raikaria does these shenanigans pretty regularly, I don't see it as a guilty response that we need to lynch him over.
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well that happened
I guess I'm not getting out of this without claiming, so meh. I'm another binary doc, and I was on NNR last night. I'm pretty sure I've been insistant on another existing for a while, so yeah. I almost said "everyone self-target D1" in my first post but I'm not allowed to do that which kind of sucks and I think there are 7 less doctors than I thought there would be...
I entered lurkmode because I'm completely demotivated due to the fact that most of the people who were keeping me sane in this game are now dead, one of them for stupid reasons and one of them I considered protecting but then thought that him getting shot wasn't likely. If this sounds harsh, sorry, but I don't know how to explain it any better than that.
Dan is blatantly lying about being a vig. First off, it's ridiculously swingy to put a vig in a 9p likely 7/2 game because it means D2 is MYLO on a misfire, and secondly he's pushing me as scum because I'm not a corpse. Him being town relies on a couple of unlikely scenarios (scum having a redirect while town has a kill in a game this small, or scum having a doc or a bulletproof solely for the sake of dealing with a vig.) Second, if Dan was telling the truth about being a vig it would be MYLO today. I asked him if he was limited shot and he seems to have completely ignored that, but in that case it's more of him just adding to his claim as he goes along. You know, with him not even claiming vig outright at the start?
I have no idea on how this reflects on Raikaria's BPV claim. I disbelieve it on the claim and just the setup in general but at the same time I feel like scum!Rai wouldn't risk throwing in another PR claim at a point when it's likely scum would be expecting at least one more power role to come out of at some point. I guess it could be a potential ruse from scum to throw off theoretical town!Dan from shooting him, but I think I've made how unlikely I feel that is clear.
Also, assess all the claims as if they were in the game alone. BT said that the setup was kind of role-heavy in signups iirc and I was honestly expecting for there to be more roles than there actually seem to be.
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Dan what.
WHY ARE YOU NOT CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT DOCTORS ARE USUALLY TOWN
This is too stupid.
So I don't think a town SB says this after he votes to kill Raitaki deadline or not after Raitaki claims his exact role.
Oh and if SB was town with that role it'd be reasonable to assume town could have a vig with the amount of protective power him + Raitaki + (possibly Raikaria) could make up
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secondly no intent to explain why he voted Raitaki considering the above + why not protect the claimed confirmable power role.
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o yeah, I'm not limited shot.
I can fire every night.
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though I am surprised by the lack of announcement of Mylo, although it should be only pseudo-mylo,
BT, do you announce pseudo-mylo?
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No. I was about to comment that regardless of roles, I don't announce maybes, only the standard-issue lynch-and-nightkill *YLO.
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you know what, i would buy sb claim over rai's, and i will want to really consider ad lynch
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you know what, i would buy sb claim over rai's, and i will want to really consider ad lynch
stop it. His claim is either bogus or he's a scum binary doc. It's really obvious considering his actions. I've just outlined a couple of blatant contradictions in my last 5 posts
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I didn't even had time to read the thread. By the time I checked the timer I had like 30 seconds to get to the thread, see who the wagon was and vote. And day 1 no lynches suck, I wasn't letting that happen if I could help it.
o yeah, I'm not limited shot.
I can fire every night.
5/2
mislynch
misvig
mafkill
2/2, game over
confirmed scum.
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oh i missed the last page.
still think fullvig is far too swingy for this setup.
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@Mod, how would a Binary Doc interact with a BPV?
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Dan is blatantly lying about being a vig. First off, it's ridiculously swingy to put a vig in a 9p likely 7/2 game because it means D2 is MYLO on a misfire, and secondly he's pushing me as scum because I'm not a corpse. Him being town relies on a couple of unlikely scenarios (scum having a redirect while town has a kill in a game this small, or scum having a doc or a bulletproof solely for the sake of dealing with a vig.) Second, if Dan was telling the truth about being a vig it would be MYLO today. I asked him if he was limited shot and he seems to have completely ignored that, but in that case it's more of him just adding to his claim as he goes along. You know, with him not even claiming vig outright at the start?
Also, assess all the claims as if they were in the game alone. BT said that the setup was kind of role-heavy in signups iirc and I was honestly expecting for there to be more roles than there actually seem to be.
On a misfire town would be in lylo sure, but the vig would be confirmed (if he survives) and get another shot off anyway, and both shots are equivalent to lynches but executed by a sole individual instead of the collective. I'm pushing SB as scum because I thought he was scum D1 and I shot him for that reason and surviving the shot only would give further indication that he's scum plus the 'unlikely' scenario of scum having a protective role for a vig isn't unlikely at all, that's why scum would have a protective role (and raitaki's role could easily interplay with it as well, say, if scum had a binary doc of their own)
I'd also like to say that I am also a power role, and I'm doubtful of Dan's existance alongside it. Even Raikaria could be argued as a stretch.
This again makes little sense. If anything, a binary-doc claim gives more credence to a vig claim and gives less credence to a BP claim due to a perceived overabundance of protective roles.
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@Mod, how would a Binary Doc interact with a BPV?
A BVP would be considered a role that protects itself. Meaning a Binary Doctor would cancel the protection.
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Multiple docs do not give more credibility to a vig claim. Multiple docs mean more power. The only part that makes me waver on it is that we have no info role.
Cut by BT, but regardless it's unlikely Raitaki's doc was there to fuck with a single BPV.
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oh i missed the last page.
still think fullvig is far too swingy for this setup.
I didn't even had time to read the thread. By the time I checked the timer I had like 30 seconds to get to the thread, see who the wagon was and vote. And day 1 no lynches suck, I wasn't letting that happen if I could help it.
5/2
mislynch
misvig
mafkill
2/2, game over
confirmed scum.
Again, completely myopic thinking. in the absence of roles a town would have 3 mislynches before losing. these would be equivalent to mislynch/mislynch/misvig. Or if my shot had succeeded and been a mislynch: less opportunity then mislynch/misfire/mislynch/misfire.
A BVP would be considered a role that protects itself. Meaning a Binary Doctor would cancel the protection.
plausibility of scum having this rises if Raikaria is town.
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secondly no intent to explain why he voted Raitaki considering the above + why not protect the claimed confirmable power role.
HEY SB, GET TO EXPLAINING
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A BVP would be considered a role that protects itself. Meaning a Binary Doctor would cancel the protection.
Which is exactly what I said. I said that if I was docced by Raitaki I would not be protected. My role specifically states I self-protect as my 'night action'.
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can we talk about something that isn't role shenanigans
please
when SB or Dan or SOMEONE finally dies, all of the discussion used on whether their roles are more or less likely to exist becomes nearly useless for rereading to find scum... and whether or not the roles are plausible has received more than enough discussion already
I'm still trying to decide what I think about this whole thing, but all I have to look at is roles roles roles, and scum can play that as well as town... and the setup is weird unless you're both scum. :T That would make this amazingly hilarious.
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what is more power SB, and precisely what powers do you believe scum has?
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Ok serela why do you think SB voted Raitaki who had the same role as him even though he stated that doctor claims are likely to be town?
That's not roles roles roles. That's someone contradicting themselves
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serela just a friendly reminder but diff ppl stances on roles are useful scumtells, i personally do not consider some more corrwct than others, but those who try to WIFOM or drag the pointless roleshen discussions are obvious scums
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OK here's the thing.
We can only lose tonight if Actiondan shoots.
Which cannot happen if we lynch Actiondan.
That said, I don't think town Actiondan is that stupid to shoot in this situation anyway...
Wouldn't be shocked in this sort of setup to have a mafia doc. Especially a mafia doc who can shut down other doctors when there's a Binary Doc who is shut down by other protection, a BPV who could be 'shut down' and a town Vig.
I mean, Scum Binary Doc isn't beyond the realm of possibility. Especially with a town 'Vig', whom the Binary Doc could protect his teammates from, BPV who counts as self-protecting and a town Binary Doc.
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And yes I can see either SB or Dan being scum.
Also, Dan's shot could have been stopped by !scum Binary Doc.
Actually:
@Mod: Would a shot being saved by a Doctor result in a PM to the shooter saying their role failed?
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I did the math and thought about this really seriously. Dan, you are the scum, well played.
##Vote: Actiondan
I agree with rai's analysis, and basically SB's claim too, I would rather buy 3 binary docs and BPV as opposed to vig
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actually nvm waffles
##Unvote
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Ok serela why do you think SB voted Raitaki who had the same role as him even though he stated that doctor claims are likely to be town?
I'd like everyone to consider this. everyone is kind of ignoring this point which is scary.
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Are.
you.
serious.
DN.
Are you serious.
Go ahead. Enlighten me as to what the math says. Is it that the cross protection of 2 town binary docs + the BP make sense to you. And feel free to ignore the blatant scum motivation behind SB's raitaki vote.
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i know so i retracted my vote
believe me when i said i am busy i am slewpt and has a large exam thing competition tomorrow which means i wont be there for next 20 hours or some thing
and i was cramming about astronomy and shit
anyway fuck this this is so stupid
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HEY SB, GET TO EXPLAINING
I didn't even had time to read the thread. By the time I checked the timer I had like 30 seconds to get to the thread, see who the wagon was and vote. And day 1 no lynches suck, I wasn't letting that happen if I could help it.
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@Mod: Would a shot being saved by a Doctor result in a PM to the shooter saying their role failed?
I'm gonna stop answering questions like these when there's no real urgency/importance to the question.
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I don't know mods who send failure results when a doc stops the kill. Failure results mean you were roleblocked, generally. Doc stopping it is a successful use that didn't work for unknown reasons. Responding to Dan in a sec
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*smashing the keyboard in frustration*
screw you all i am sleeping hopefully i will be able to think straighter with more neutrons☆
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Okay SB you came back only in the nick of time to vote him with him claiming 1/2 hour before deadline within 8 min of you asking him to claim.
Now explain why you didn't protect me.
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can we talk about something that isn't role shenanigans
please
when SB or Dan or SOMEONE finally dies, all of the discussion used on whether their roles are more or less likely to exist becomes nearly useless for rereading to find scum... and whether or not the roles are plausible has received more than enough discussion already
I'm still trying to decide what I think about this whole thing, but all I have to look at is roles roles roles, and scum can play that as well as town... and the setup is weird unless you're both scum. :T That would make this amazingly hilarious.
I agree but like
You/Dan/Sky/NNR didn't exist for a lot of the day
I've already said what I disliked about DNA
Raikaria's D1 was essentially enforcing a policy lynch
Considering how shitty day 1 was, there really isn't a lot we CAN talk about that isn't roles ;/
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Because I still suspected you.
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Ok serela why do you think SB voted Raitaki who had the same role as him even though he stated that doctor claims are likely to be town?
That's not roles roles roles. That's someone contradicting themselves
Okay, I went back and read it again.
You're really, really misrepresenting what happened. There was literally LESS THAN A MINUTE before there was a no lynch due to failure to reach majority. Binary Doc could be town or scum in this setup, and SB had probably come to that conclusion, as the only reason not to hammer Raitaki over no-lynching would be if he was confirmed town tier. SB was voting the other wagon beforehand, so it's not like "oh SB hammered raitaki instead of the other wagon", he was already on the other wagon and there wasn't the votes available to push it through. There was really no other choice.
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Unless you're arguing you think SB should have claimed binary doc with Raitaki to try to encourage people to get off, when scum most likely have a counter to stop them from doccing eachother to confirmed towndom if they were both town... and when scum binary doc wouldn't be that weird.
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Well first apparently SB couldn't read anything, so apparently SB wouldn't have come to any conclusions. (though this is not verified and I don't believe it myself)
But if I were town with the thought that claimed doctors in this setup are generally town (which SB professed D2), and if there was a claim that was my exact role (which obviously wouldn't be coincidence) than I would have not lynched it even at the risk of a NL (which seriously isn't the worst thing in the world).
Also I think you're scum serela. you'll have to deal with that.
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Dan, I didn't even have time to read Raitaki's claim. I literally got to the thread with maybe 30 seconds left, looked at the votals and blindly voted. For all I knew Raitaki could've claimed to become night 1 innocent child or something.
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Just to give an update on my current opinion:
I do not think there can possibly be two town binary docs and myself, a BPV, because that can make the senario almost unwinnable for a two man scum team if the Docs protect each other and I just vest.
Meanwhile, as I said before; a scum binary doc would allow:
- Scum to protect themselves from Vig shots. [Let's say they can self-target too, which would explain the shot on SB failing, even without the possibility of the other scum redirecting Dan to their night target under impression he would confirm himself]
- Scum can use the 'Binary Doc' as an effective strongman if they knew who was being targeted by the town doc, or against a BPV [Hey, me!]
It just makes sense in a setup where there is a BPV, a town Doc and a potential Town Vig for scum to have what is effectively their own Doctor/Strongman combination.
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Plus, Doctor Wars. It makes sense if both sides have a Doc simply from flavor. [This i might have no meaning really but I can't help but point it out.]
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Wait, why the fuck would the vig be scum?
Don't lynch ActionDan please? Scum Vig makes literally no sense here.
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NNR:If Dan was scum he would obviously have lied about being a vig.
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Then- oh right nobody died
But all his lies don't make sense all bundled together. Scum can't be that dumb, right?
If we're massclaiming, I'm vanilla, although I'm kinda mad at DNA for forcing a massclaim.
I'm demotivated too by all this fucking role nonsense, sorry.
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Then- oh right nobody died
But all his lies don't make sense all bundled together. Scum can't be that dumb, right?
If we're massclaiming, I'm vanilla, although I'm kinda mad at DNA for forcing a massclaim.
I'm demotivated too by all this fucking role nonsense, sorry.
For what it's worth, I don't much like the massclaim either. I only claimed to say 'Hey guys, this could be what Raitaki's role means. Stop sayin we have 2 Docs.'
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I read all this bullshit and tbh I kinda want to lynch Dan at this point too. All this fucking stupid nest of lies began with his false claim that turned out to do literally nothing.
But at the same time having all these protection roles around doesn't make sense if there's only 1 killer each night, since the chance of docs canceling eachother is pretty low.
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IMO either Dan or SB is scum, though, because the missing piece of the puzzle here is 'why didn't SB die?'
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IMO either Dan or SB is scum, though, because the missing piece of the puzzle here is 'why didn't SB die?'
Which is what I said at the start of this.
Anyway, we should have a little more insight once BT returns and answers my question.
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Which is what I said at the start of this.
Anyway, we should have a little more insight once BT returns and answers my question.
I didn't answer it, here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1094926.html#msg1094926).
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The post after the one where BT doesn't answer should be sufficient, really. I've never heard of a mod acting otherwise on motk, and I think it'd be weird/bad if a mod did otherwise somewhere else.
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Stop calling him BT, carking catgirl christ, Serela.
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Oh, wait, people mixing up SB and BT have been the last straw on this haystack of a mess.
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I almost don't want to spend another day looking at this idiocy.
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I REALLY DID MEAN BT THAT TIME THOUGH ;_;
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I didn't answer it, here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1094926.html#msg1094926).
My bad, missed that.
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After all this the only read that's changed is that I think raikaria is more town. Although dark scared me a bit.
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I didn't want to claim since the one who was leading for the mass claim is kind of the guy we think is scum, but it looks like everybody has already gone except me.
I am a junior surgeon aka town backup. I would get the role of whichever blue role flipped first, so when Raitaki died, I became towns extra binary doc. So we have two...maybe three doctors after all.
On night 1 I expected ActionDan to be interfered with in some way or killed because of his claim, so I sent in my protect action on him.
That's all. Sorry it's not very interesting, but because I was a backup, I thought maybe there were other town doctors in the game as well, so that's why I was hesitant about voting SB.
I think we actually have to lynch ActionDan because he claimed unlimited vig. If he shoots and kills tonight, and scum shoot and kill tonight, then it is game over. If we mislynch a Dan then he can't hit, and it's LYLO in the next day phase. However, if we Dan and he's town, are we just going to lynch SB tomorrow anyway?
However this doesn't account for SB not dying unless there really is a fourth doctor somewhere in the mix that protected SB. I would think at this stage a town doc that protected SB would have come forth by now.
Therefore, I do think there was scum involvement in Dan's action last night - if it was a scum doc, there's no reason for a scum doc to ever cover a towny. So I think it's more likely that Dan was simply misdirected and killed Zak.
This doesn't account for the missing scum hit unless if town!SB really did cover NNR, and scums hit NNR.
That would leave Zak as being hit by Dan, NNR being hit by scums, and everybody's story checks out. However, this story only makes sense if we can prove the existence of a redirect. And thus the reason I was drilling Dan about the details of his messages earlier in the phase.
If anybody else has information they are sitting on, now is the time to come forward.
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I just want to clarify; the reason that scums would have hit NNR instead of Dan is because if Dan was redirected, scums wouldn't have hit him. Meaning my doc on Dan was wasted.
However if you consider scum!Dan hits a Zak and then lies about targeting SB, it's actually a simpler explanation that doesn't require any magical redirects that may or may not exist.
I am probably going to vote Dan because scum!Dan seems more plausible than scum!SB, personally, and also because I don't think town can afford vig mishit if he is telling the truth.
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Here's a thought. Let's try not to lynch obvtown because of the boogeyman that is a misvig. At this point I bet my vig would have a bigger chance of hitting scum than the collective. Evidence: how the possibility of the binary docs plan of cross protection would have a fail safe in case one gets killed and this not seeming broken at all to skypal. Like assume raitaki survived the d1 lynch. Assume sb protects him. Raitaki just can't die. And if sb dies. No problem. Town backup. Obviously this goes back to the fact that I think 2 town binary doctors existing simultaneously is imba, but this is just icing on the cake.
And why do you think scum Dan is more plausible than scum sb. Whhhhhhy. You say that so goddamn causally it passes me off.
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Sky, I trust Dan is not an idiot who will shoot when it would mean the end of the game.
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I just didn't want to believe it was a 1 v 1 because this was the whole focus of town effort today, when we had players like Raikaria and NNR being way scummier that on gut I want to vote for over this shenanigans business.
While I was shopping I thought about it some more. It actually doesn't matter which one we lynch.
First establish that one of them is scum:
town!Dan was possibly sabotaged, redirected, or had his hit blocked.
Sabotage was ruled out because Dan said his action was successful. How about a redirect?
If alleged town!Dan hits alleged town!SB, and Dan was redirected, where did the hit go? Scum would have been redirecting the guy they thought was a neighbourizer on to either one of their own guys or to somebody who was dead. There is no reason for mafia to redirect Dan, who they thought was a neighbourizer, to another random towny who would still be alive. Dan told us that his hit went through therefore by his own words he cannot have been redirected on to Zak. He *must* have hit SB if his story is true. That means either Dan or SB is lying. This is assuming that scum hits resolve before vig hits.
Therefore it comes down is Dan really a town!vig or a scum!vig. And a flip of either one will give us the answer (and therefore which one is scum) without losing us the game.
Because....
Scenario 1a: SB is town, Dan is scum.
We lynch SB -> Scum!Dan lied about being a vig, therefore there will not be two deaths tonight, and it will not be game over.
Scenario 1b: SB is town, Dan is scum.
We lynch Dan -> Dan is scum, all is well.
Scenario 2a: SB is scum, Dan is town.
We lynch SB -> SB is scum, all is well.
Scenario 2b: SB is scum, Dan is town.
We lynch Dan -> Dan cannot make a hit, there will only be one death at night, and it will not be game over.
In either scenario there will only be one death at night and not game over.
Is this analysis correct?
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All kills resolve at the same time, be it scum-sourced, town-sourced or ITP-sourced. I'll take this opportunity to remind everyone that this game won't be solved by roles, so take them with a grain of salt and not with a chunk of potassium.
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'Scum Vig' is the silliest thing I have ever heard, and I really don't think that AD would have pulled the whole other role thing if he was such a thing.
I already theorized a redirect, or possibly a scum binary doctor that can self-target.
Anyway, I put SB at L-1 before and no-one rushed to hammer him or anything, and it is much closer to the deadline now than it was, and I'm wrapped up with revision for the exam that scares me the most.
##Vote: SB
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Please unvote so I can at least not get quickhammered before finishing a reread.
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Serela is town. Once he started posting again his content was fine and he reads a lot like Urist!Serela confused by ridiculous role shenanigans, I don't have problems with him anymore.
Raikaria is a tough read for me. While pushing Serela as a lynch for being weak in LYLO is something I can see him doing, the main problem I have is that he didn't really do anything aside from that during day 1. His D2 suspicion of DNA for pushing Raitaki is kinda wonky, there's no way DNA could've known he was a doc. I do think his claim was kinda townie for reasons I outined earlier, but only the context behind it and not the claim itself.
I also just read a bit of DEFCON and Dan's play feels kinda similar to what he was doing there? He hasn't contributed actual scumhunting much at all and it took till the end of D1 to do it, now it's mostly ROLES ROLES ROLES from him. There's also the fact that for him to be telling the truth there would need to be a scum redirect FMPOV and that unlimited vigs in a game as small as this just adds huge swing to it.
With multiple town Doctors protecting each other, sure, it sounds kinda broken in practice, but in reality what do we even have to protect? A vig claim who's probably lying? Also, if I was a scum!BPV or whatever, I would've just claimed hit and assumed there was an SK or something. Unless you want to argue that the scumteam has double binary docs (since self-targetting is a no) then it's pretty clear I'm not mafia? It'd be way easier to just claim vanilla and NOT put myself in this position of OMG SO MANY ROLES when that almost got me killed in Urist.
And for anyone who thinks scum has a Binary Doc, sure, maybe they have one. But that doesn't mean they've claimed it for sure.
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'Scum Vig' is the silliest thing I have ever heard, and I really don't think that AD would have pulled the whole other role thing if he was such a thing.
He could, be, you know, lying about being a vig.
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It just occured to me I took the above quote horribly out of context, but whatever.
I think I've come to conclude that my reasons for townreading NNR were dumb because he only had one spurt of real activity before dropping off back to lurking again. He's basically sat by the sidelines all of today and contributed very little beyond "yeah one of SB or Dan is scum" and he's kept his vote parked on me all day without addressing my content at all.
Wait, why the fuck would the vig be scum?
Don't lynch ActionDan please? Scum Vig makes literally no sense here.
This also reads kind of like a scumslip in the case of Dan actually being town, due to him instantly believing Dan's vig claim to be true. Actually he could just be backing up his buddy's claim, so I'd say regardless of Dan's alignment this really does not sit well with me.
I kind of feel like as far as play goes, Sky is the scummiest player in the game. His content today is "WE SHOULD LYNCH DAN SO HE DOESN'T MISFIRE AND END THE GAME" which is really bad, and then saying that it doesn't matter who we lynch because even so, he doesn't seem to be trying to figure out which one we should lynch. His claim also feels kind of out of place, we already have a good chunk of power in two docs and what's likely to be at least one of a bpv/vig, so I really don't see his role as something that's likely to exist? His day 1 wasn't exactly strong either.
Honestly I wouldn't mind lynching Sky instead of Dan (and I probably would if we just ignored /roles/.)
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I read this thread and I still don't understand what's the big problem here, we have a few claims to deal with, heres the list.
1. Binary doc (Raitaki)
2. claimed Binary doc (SB)
3. claimed Backup (Sky P)
4. claimed BPV (Raikaria)
5. claimed Vig (AD)
6. claimed VT (DNA)
7. claimed VT (Serela)
8. claimed VT (NNR)
9.VT (Zakeri)
Obviously, two out of nine are lying, and as we probably all agreed on already, three binary doctors make absolutely no sense whatsoever. But on a reread I am pretty sure SB's claim is genuine, given that Raitaki's flip as the first binary doc pretty much sealed the possibility for scum to claim any protective roles imprudently for it would likely result in a swift CC. So yeah, SB lynch isn't a good idea today gents.
On the other hand, Sky P's claim, made rather late (after SB, Serela and me have claimed) and was basically a CCsafe option was rather unnerving, personally it doesn't sit well with me. Moreover his general posting trend feels disconnected most prominently in his recent stream after his claim. I would need some time by myself to reread and form a case though, which isn't happening today obviously.
Raikaria's claim is reasonable and the Mod's responses sit well with me, his behavior was ridiculous but I am willing to take the risk.
Dan reads basically the opposite of Raikaria, I think he has every posting motivation to be town but his claim is the most out-of-place now, yet given the Mod's warnings before the game that it may not be balanced again I am okay with trusting Dan.
NNR? He was flying under my radar and being kind of just so-so, and VT claim? Would lynch 100%. tbh I would rather lynch the most scummy person with most neutral claim and wait tomorrow for the roles to resolve themselves. Fearmongering on the MB instant lose is silly and uncalled for when supposedly we have a diminished player pool with doctors covering us up. Well assuming they aren't lying anyway, which we will be able to learn after today.
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Oh and I recalled SB was pretty antagonistic on me D1 when I asked him about what's wrong with me yet I never got to answering him back lol.
trust me i will do that later but i need sleep so mb on D3 ty thanks
##Vote: NNR
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I just didn't want to believe it was a 1 v 1 because this was the whole focus of town effort today, when we had players like Raikaria and NNR being way scummier that on gut I want to vote for over this shenanigans business.
MORE ON SKY. I look at this and realize that his actions haven't reflected what he's said here at all.
I don't even know any more. /ROLES/ make Dan seem like likely scum to me, but at the sam time there are some parts of his play that are kinda making me think otherwise from reading back through. First off doing this would be... kinda suicidal as scum. Second, he claimed unlimited vig and then asked about LYLO conditions, which seems... kind of counterintuitive for scum fakeclaiming. Mafia is hard.
##Unvote
##Vote: Sky Paladin
Fuck it, I'm just putting my vote on the scummiest player and ignoring roles at this point because I don't even know.
Should we lynch scum today, Dan shoots no matter what in order to prove his role.
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SB, why is Sky P more scum than NNR?
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Reading this thread gives me a headache now, I'd replace if i weren't stuck in this for the long haul, I'm just buzzing with apathy at the moment since the game suddenly turned into ROLES ROLES ROLES and D1's awful lynch makes me annoyed.
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I'd ask why I'm scum but I figure it's because I'm having a hard time getting a read on anyone now that everyone's claim is forcing me to reconsider my main reads.
I'm actually inclined to lynch SkyP now because that backup claim doesn't sit well with me.
On the other hand I still want to lynch one of SB or Dan.
Am I voting? I don't think I've done a vote all day because I've been waiting for this bullshit to finally pan out.
##Vote: SkyPal
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Remember D1 where flavor didn't matter and I didn't have to worry bout stupid setup bullshit?
Those were good times.
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No NNR, you are just being swingy without an opinion. On top of that you have been just jumping the gun on every single wagon apathetically for a while now which is characteristic scum play.
And you claimed VT, Sky P actually claimed backup which does makes sense provided AD is town (which we pretty much agreed on)
Admittedly if AD is scum well then gg well played, but the thing is his play really makes that kind of possiblity unlikely, and his role does go with the general theme of this setup (with binary docs). So basically if you just factor in roles and think a wee little bit NNR is a much juicier target than Sky P.
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Sky_Paladin: (2) SB, NekoNekoRex
SB: (2) ActionDan, Raikaria
NekoNekoRex: (1) Darkninjaabc
Not Voting: [2/7] Serela, Sky_Paladin
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No NNR, you are just being swingy without an opinion. On top of that you have been just jumping the gun on every single wagon apathetically for a while now which is characteristic scum play.
And you claimed VT, Sky P actually claimed backup which does makes sense provided AD is town (which we pretty much agreed on)
Admittedly if AD is scum well then gg well played, but the thing is his play really makes that kind of possiblity unlikely, and his role does go with the general theme of this setup (with binary docs). So basically if you just factor in roles and think a wee little bit NNR is a much juicier target than Sky P.
I'm not buying a game that has 5 powers roles and 4 VTs. 2 bianary docs and a fullvig, I could buy. Maybe. Three of them, maybe not.
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I'm being swingy with an opinion because ROLES ROLES ROLES, and pretty much nothing here makes sense. SB was scummy D1, and has improved a bit (but could still be scum), whereas Dan was an apathy lurker and made a bunch of semi-believable claims and fucking gambits that I'm waffling on because "Why isn't SB dead?" and because every post Dan makes confuses my read on him more because they're either scum shit or they're sensible FUCKING GAMBITS that are still townie.
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If Dan turns out to be Vanilla Town then I am done with this game forever.
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Wait so now we're not voting one of two people of which one is obviously lying?
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OK so Sky claims he targeted ActionDan.
SB claims he targeted NNR.
Personally I really, really doubt there can be the possibility for three Docs in this game, at least, three town docs.
So one of SB or Sky is almost certainly scum.
Meanwhile I guess on the Dan/SB front there is a small chance whoever the redirecter/whatever happened to Dan's shot is was not either of them. I mean, a redirect and a bus are two different things, right? They could have a role that simply lets them redirect Dan to whoever [And they chose Zakeri].
So, I guess it's better to focus on Sky/SB than Dan/SB, although SB being in two role-based situations where it is possible he is scum doesn't look good for him.
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Also I really, really, really, really do not like DNA's vote on NNR.
NNR is not involved in one of these role conflicts. Voting for anyone who's not Sky, Dan or SB right now is simply attempting to distract us from where there certainly is at least one scum.
In fact DNA has been worrying me for a while. He called for a massclaim when things looked like a 1v1, which I feel was unnecessary, and rolefishing/distractionary. He's been throwing out alternative lynches all day AND flip-flopping from saying he's support lynching Actiondan to wanting SB lynched.
To me it almost seems like DNA is attempting to distract us from Actiondan/SB, although I cannot tell which one he is attempting to distract us from.
Based on sheer scumy play I would be lynching DNA right now, but I'd rather focus on Dan vs SB and SB vs Sky.
I'm still tossing it around in my head if my chips are going with SB or Sky.
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i am sorry but i actualyl didn't catch the part where SB and Sky P told us about their targets?
i was just skimming the thread and getting a general idea of things, i have school to attend to so basically its kind of unreasonable to demand my play be completely perfect in my play lol, if that was actually what i ''seem'' to have done in your PoV well feel free to throw up some more flip flopping and distract us from SB and Sky P.
Besides, I have not been distracting anyone from AD and SB at all, the most recent post I made here;No NNR, you are just being swingy without an opinion. On top of that you have been just jumping the gun on every single wagon apathetically for a while now which is characteristic scum play.
And you claimed VT, Sky P actually claimed backup which does makes sense provided AD is town (which we pretty much agreed on)
Admittedly if AD is scum well then gg well played, but the thing is his play really makes that kind of possiblity unlikely, and his role does go with the general theme of this setup (with binary docs). So basically if you just factor in roles and think a wee little bit NNR is a much juicier target than Sky P.
and thereI read this thread and I still don't understand what's the big problem here, we have a few claims to deal with, heres the list.
1. Binary doc (Raitaki)
2. claimed Binary doc (SB)
3. claimed Backup (Sky P)
4. claimed BPV (Raikaria)
5. claimed Vig (AD)
6. claimed VT (DNA)
7. claimed VT (Serela)
8. claimed VT (NNR)
9.VT (Zakeri)
Obviously, two out of nine are lying, and as we probably all agreed on already, three binary doctors make absolutely no sense whatsoever. But on a reread I am pretty sure SB's claim is genuine, given that Raitaki's flip as the first binary doc pretty much sealed the possibility for scum to claim any protective roles imprudently for it would likely result in a swift CC. So yeah, SB lynch isn't a good idea today gents.
On the other hand, Sky P's claim, made rather late (after SB, Serela and me have claimed) and was basically a CCsafe option was rather unnerving, personally it doesn't sit well with me. Moreover his general posting trend feels disconnected most prominently in his recent stream after his claim. I would need some time by myself to reread and form a case though, which isn't happening today obviously.
Raikaria's claim is reasonable and the Mod's responses sit well with me, his behavior was ridiculous but I am willing to take the risk.
Dan reads basically the opposite of Raikaria, I think he has every posting motivation to be town but his claim is the most out-of-place now, yet given the Mod's warnings before the game that it may not be balanced again I am okay with trusting Dan.
NNR? He was flying under my radar and being kind of just so-so, and VT claim? Would lynch 100%. tbh I would rather lynch the most scummy person with most neutral claim and wait tomorrow for the roles to resolve themselves. Fearmongering on the MB instant lose is silly and uncalled for when supposedly we have a diminished player pool with doctors covering us up. Well assuming they aren't lying anyway, which we will be able to learn after today.
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Oh and I recalled SB was pretty antagonistic on me D1 when I asked him about what's wrong with me yet I never got to answering him back lol.
trust me i will do that later but i need sleep so mb on D3 ty thanks
##Vote: NNR
had the focus about the recent roles conflict. And I also detailed why I believe lynching NNR is a good idea because the roles conflict must be resolved tomorrow with the extra flips in our hand. Basically, not only is NNR playing under the radar all this time which is typical scum behavior, he also made a claim as a VT. I deem that suspicious enough to worth the lynch.
Indeed, I have not read too deeply into the mess that is people speculating about claimed roles and potential scum abilties because I believe that is worthless, as such I have probably missed said pieces of important information, it would help if you can QUOTE STUFF so people don't actually have to actively understand your logic though. You are the people convincing others to listen to you, try doing it proper. I told you again and again why your opinions are completely off the mark and you just ignore and try again, its almost irritating.
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For the record I'm most out of everyone that dna is town. And if I were to lynch anyone outside of sb it would be serela frankly for not really taking any stances whatsoever. Raikaria has been increasingly growing on me as being town although not a lock.
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Unsure why nnr votes sky for the claim of backup not sitting well with him
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OH RIGHT MAFIA EXISTS I got lost in playing new games and then "oh shit the day isn't about to end, right?"
I see there's suddenly a growing wagon on SkyPal who, well, he isn't in the SB/Dan thing, but I could totally get behind sheeping my own d1 case of him again. Backup claim keeping all of town's claimed prs in the setup seems kind of weird I admit, but maybe BT really really wanted to make sure we had a million docs forever? But yeah it's weird. The issue is just that, uhm, isn't it preeeetty likely one of Dan or SB is scum?
...nah, I shouldn't keep waffling about that, because now that the SkyPal wagon ~*~actually has support~*~ I'm all over this. I still think his d1 was really scummy, I'm just going to reread over his d2 to make sure before I set him at l-1. (Because deadline is kind of, right there, so it's time for that sort of thing.)
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The issue is just that, uhm, isn't it preeeetty likely one of Dan or SB is scum?
Part of the reason this came to mind is because SB is the one who started the skypal wagon up, but now that I think about it I was thinking Dan was the scum over SB anyway
Okay, reread SkyPal. At first his d2 posts actually looked pretty nice, but then they devolved into roleshens that tried to excuse lynching Dan simply by policy (a false one) and then... well actually then he goes back and says nevermind, so I guess if he quickly changed his mind and realized that wasn't right then it isn't explicitly scummy. :T I guess I really am just wanting to lynch SkyPal off his d1 after all, but then I come back to d2 and remember, either Dan is a town vig and SB didn't die because of an action no townie has claimed to have (which they would have by now to prevent a mislynch on sb), meaning SB is probably scum, or Dan is lying, which means he's scum.
Ugh why does everyone want to lynch SkyPaladin a day late when we have something else really juicy instead? ;_;
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The only 2 people that possibly make sense with skypal scum is raikaria or dna at this point. And I don't think it's likely either of them are scum. I'm going to stick to sb at this point.
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The only 2 people that possibly make sense with skypal scum is raikaria or dna at this point. And I don't think it's likely either of them are scum. I'm going to stick to sb at this point.
You also thought Zakeri was my scumbuddy, so clearly you're going to be wrong.
If you're real Dan and we mislynch today, idle tonight. I don't care how certain you are on scum!me, you can always sort that shit out on day 3.
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Still here, still tired of remembering that it is still day phase.
I'll consolidate on, I dunno, someone if time is an issue.
DNA, we're clearly not lynching me today, so vote someone else.
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not only is NNR playing under the radar all this time which is typical scum behavior, he also made a claim as a VT. I deem that suspicious enough to worth the lynch.
You could apply this to all the VT claims anyway. VT claim isn't even scummy.
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Ugh, choosing between SB and Sky is so hard. It's like Day 1 where I had to pick between null reads.
I mean both have claims I don't really believe. I have a hard enough time believing there is ONE more Town Binary Doctor, let alone two. Although I do think a scum binary doc is possible.
Uh, anyone else got a better idea to decide which of these two we should lynch?
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You have 32 minutes! 4 votes are needed for a majority.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140512T00&p0=110&msg=Day+2)
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I mean both have claims I don't really believe. I have a hard enough time believing there is ONE more Town Binary Doctor, let alone two. Although I do think a scum binary doc is possible.
Uh, anyone else got a better idea to decide which of these two we should lynch?
Like I said, scum might have a Binary Doctor, but it doesn't mean they've claimed it.
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18 minutes, smartasses.
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I am nearly past the point where I care about this game.
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Apparently I'm going to have to consolidate on SB though soon since everybody else seems to feel the same way I do.
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Serela and Skypal are still voteless. wth.
Dna is effectively not voting as well.
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I'm right here! I'm just not sure whether I'd rather lynch SkyPal or SB :/ The fact that skypal isn't voting is hilarious but I'm pretty sure he hasn't been here in awhile. He really should have voted last time he was here if he was going to miss deadline, though.
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##Vote SkyPal d1 gut GO
I'll switch onto SB if needed to obtain a lynch.
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Votecount 2.6
Sky_Paladin: (3) SB, NekoNekoRex, Serela
SB: (2) ActionDan, Raikaria
NekoNekoRex: (1) Darkninjaabc
Not Voting: [1/7] Sky_Paladin
5 minutes!
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Switching to SB in 2 minutes if nobody lynches.
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Ya.. I'd rather no lynch than lynch SB. he's definitely not scum with Neko. he's definitely not scum with Serela.
I highly doubt DNA is scum.
I don't think he's scum with raikaria although that isn't 100% sure
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er. rather no lynch than lynch SP
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1 minute!
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>would rather No Lynch
Welp I'm done with this game.
##Unvote
##Vote: SB
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it's not awful because I can shoot... again
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Serela hammer sb please and thank you
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##unvote ##vote sb
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Votecount 2.7 - Final
SB: (4) ActionDan, Raikaria, NekoNekoRex, Serela
NekoNekoRex: (1) Darkninjaabc
Sky_Paladin: (1) SB
Not Voting: [1/7] Sky_Paladin
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Like I said, scum might have a Binary Doctor, but it doesn't mean they've claimed it.
Considering there was one in game, and apparently two more, I think one of them has claimed it.
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Also, I think I'm sticking with SB.
On the simple fact that I don't think Sky would be stupid enough to claim a THIRD Town Binary Doctor without actually being one.
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(he's been hammered)
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SB was lynched! Was the doctor doctored? Or was the killer killed?
Dear SB, you are the Doctor.
(https://i.imgur.com/BwWOVMB.png)
You're the title character in the science fiction television series Doctor Who. "The Doctor" is only an alias, as you are actually a centuries-old alien who travels through space and time in your TARDIS, frequently with companions.
You are a Town Binary Doctor. You may target a player during the night using the ##Protect action. If your target is protected from kills, they will no longer be. If your target isn't protected from kills, they will be.
You win if those aligned against the town are eliminated.
I'm not sure, but the result isn't that great.
Night 2 starts now. 24 hours, you know the drill.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140513T00&p0=676&msg=Night+2)
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The newsletter reads "ActionDan is dead". It also says a bunch of other weird stuff:
Dear ActionDan, you are Dr. Victor von Doom.
(http://i.imgur.com/GmGR6T8.png)
You're a fictional character that appears in publications by Marvel Comics. You're both a genius inventor and a sorcerer. The son of gypsy witch Cynthia Von Doom, you're a recurring supervillain, archenemy of the Fantastic Four and leader of the fictional nation of Latveria.
You are a Town Vigilante. You may target a player during the night using the ##Kill action. Your target will be eliminated from the game.
You win if those aligned against the town are eliminated.
Votecount 3.1
Not Voting: [5/5] Raikaria, NekoNekoRex, Serela, Sky_Paladin, Darkninjaabc
Day 3 starts now and ends in 72 hours. 3 votes are needed for a majority. It is now LYLO.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140516T00&p0=110&msg=Day+3)
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Well, everyone saw that coming a mile away.
I'd vote Sky on the basis that I do not believe in any way that this setup can have three doctors. However, if I do that and I'm WRONG, Serela and DNA win.
Oh god both me and Serela are alive at LYLO.
We both have awful town records at LYLO.
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Actually wait a second. Why is Dan even dead Sky?
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But why claim to kill SB?
I hate this game.
##Vote: Sky_Paladin
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I'd vote Sky on the basis that I do not believe in any way that this setup can have three doctors. However, if I do that and I'm WRONG, Serela and DNA win.
Somehow I forgot NNR was even in the game. By no means is he clear after all :/
But why claim to kill SB?
I hate this game.
##Vote: Sky_Paladin
DNA did call for a massclaim and others were ragging on him for not claiming.
Although him claiming last with DNA calling for a massclaim so he could CC someone is possible.
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First of all, reporting.
I thought Dan was scum after SB flipped, so I covered DNA, because:
1 - DNA is the most town player here.
2 - NNR is scum so he would not be night hit.
3 - Raikaria claimed BPV so doccing him would actually just make him more likely to die.
4 - Serela is never killed by mafia.
I was not sabotaged. Therefore scums, if they can sabotage, must have blocked Dan because they were scared he would shoot NNR, or Dan actually fired and I saved DNA. Or Dan possibly idled. Either way.
Next up:
Let me get this straight.
Your case is that I am a scum doctor that protected SB (a town) so that I could frame both SB and Dan? Despite not knowing prior to day 2 that there was a vigilante in the game?
If I was scum, I would have claimed to have saved SB and taken the instant free-town credibility, then offed SB during a night phase to super prove it.
In fact, if I was scum, I would have just claimed vanilla towny since apparently that is more plausible.
Anyway, NNR's voting record speaks for itself, having casually put a bunch of players at L-1 and making no effort to scumhunt, and just defending Serela on day 1. And now voting in LYLO right off the bat.
I think the scum team is NNR/Serela, or NNR/Raikaria. NNR is scum in both of my estimates. There is no way that DNA is scum.
Therefore.
I will go through and get some sources and then make a vote. Because town players make cases and vote carefully, they don't just drop a vote and not care what happens, NNR.
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Raikaria
DNA did call for a massclaim and others were ragging on him for not claiming.
This is simply a lie. Nobody called me out for not claiming. I decided to claim because I noticed everybody else had already claimed so I might as well complete the mass claim.
I claimed my role and what I did.
We didn't, and never had, three binary docs at once. What we had was two binary docs and a town backup. I could equally have become an unlimited hit vigilante (and nearly did, had we lynched Dan on day 1). So this idea that it is somehow unbalanced because we had three docs is false. We had two docs and an unlimited vig. We don't even know for sure that scum have a doc. In fact, given what we've seen, the far more likely scenario is that scum just redirected Dan to the guy they were killing at night, Zak. And SB was blamed by Dan for no reason at all.
The idea of a binary doc - a doc that protects, but unprotects a target already protected, is self-countering. They auto-balance themselves. If anything, an unlimited vig in a small player setup is more than proof enough that rolespecing and our idea of balance does not match up with what is in this game.
And we do not even know what the scum team is carrying. So voting because of roles is exactly what mafia want you to do, and it's how SB got killed.
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First of all, reporting.
I thought Dan was scum after SB flipped, so I covered DNA, because:
1 - DNA is the most town player here.
2 - NNR is scum so he would not be night hit.
3 - Raikaria claimed BPV so doccing him would actually just make him more likely to die.
4 - Serela is never killed by mafia.
1: No he's not
2: How is NNR scum?
3: Yep, doccing me is dumb
4: Actually I think the way things are there is a decent chance Serela is scum. Something seems a little off with Serela's play in general this game, he seems a LOT less waffley and active in general.
Or Dan possibly idled.
Has to be true unless you think Dan is dumb enough to shoot when a mis-shot would be GG.
Next up:
Let me get this straight.
Your case is that I am a scum doctor that protected SB (a town) so that I could frame both SB and Dan? Despite not knowing prior to day 2 that there was a vigilante in the game?
If I was scum, I would have claimed to have saved SB and taken the instant free-town credibility, then offed SB during a night phase to super prove it.
In fact, if I was scum, I would have just claimed vanilla towny since apparently that is more plausible.
Anyway, NNR's voting record speaks for itself, having casually put a bunch of players at L-1 and making no effort to scumhunt, and just defending Serela on day 1. And now voting in LYLO right off the bat.
... Actually this is a pretty decent set of reasoning. That said, I'll be honest, the 'not making cases' thing kinda applies to me and even Serela too. That said, when I make cases it tends to bite me on the butt, and asking Serela to make cases at LYLO is literally asking to lose the game for town.
And the 'defending Serela D1' also ties in with my feeling that something is off with Serela.
Does anyone else get... different from Serela's usual behavior vibes from Serela? I don't know, just something about Serela's general play this game has been offputting to me.
I'll re-read when Doto games are done airing in a few hours.
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Raikaria
This is simply a lie. Nobody called me out for not claiming. I decided to claim because I noticed everybody else had already claimed so I might as well complete the mass claim.
I thought someone at some point brought up how long it took for you to claim. Might have been after your claim actually. I'll double-check when I re-read. Had exams today, not had much free time to read.
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Anyway, the reason I didn't vote was because of Mother's Day here. I had been trying to determine what we should do between the split of SB and Dan and thought I had ruled out a redirect. Then when BT posted his point it meant it was possible, and I was just gutted. I had tried so hard and I was out of ideas. I didn't know how to persuade town to look outside of those two, but that's okay, because as soon as I was gone for the day you guys started it :D
NNR is largely absent from day 1. He appears to attack players (notably SB and Raikaria) for their votes on Serela.
He voted Raikaria for his vote on Serela on day 1.
I made a case (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1094003.html#msg1094003) earlier on NNR but nobody cared, and notably, NNR didn't bother to respond to it. Why?
As soon as he started catching heat from Zakeri and I for his bad vote, he vote switched (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1094025.html#msg1094025) to ActionDan and put him at L-1, because "Fine, if we're going to play this game, then Dan makes a good enough lynch for me, anyway." OK, but where's your case? As soon as DNA criticised him for it, NNR cancelled his vote. Then he finally questions my claim, and then immediately revotes Raikaria without (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1094033.html#msg1094033) a case.
This is blatant wagon hopping in an attempt to distance himself from defending Serela, who I also said was scum on day 1. As well as that, minimal effort, no attempts to make a case, no real scumhunting and just defending or shutting down other players. NNR vote parks and disappears for the rest of day 1.
On Day 2, NNR decides very early (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1094491.html#msg1094491)that SB is 'scummy enough to warrant a lynch.' He then states that the people who voted DNA are probably scum, without naming names. NNR forgot that one of the people voting DNA was Zak, who flipped town. It's scummy because this is buddying up to DNA without at least checking the facts first. Town would want to be sure. Scum don't care.
NNR was the only person to protest (http://) against a mass claim. In the end, though, he claimed VT, as the second to last person to claim. Shortly after, he votes SB.
Then I went to sleep, and hey, DNA votes NNR. Oh crap, what does the panic scum do? He jumps on the first lifeboat that floats his way. I mean it's only one vote, sheesh.
NMR posts a lot of empty content posts (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1095178.html#msg1095178), but that one is a doozy. Then he votes for me as soon as SB did because why?
"Am I voting? You should care about your vote. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1095179.html#msg1095179) NMR is acting all apathetic and lurking and not caring about the game.
Why should we listen to somebody who, in their own words, doesn't care?
I mean here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1095189.html#msg1095189), NNR even says it.
"I'm not buying a game that has 5 powers roles and 4 VTs. 2 bianary docs and a fullvig, I could buy. Maybe. Three of them, maybe not."
It's not 3 binary docs and a full vig. It's two binary docs, a backup, a fullvig, and a bulletproof.
But you got one thing right, eh? I bet there's not 4 VT's. Hey guess what NNR claimed.
NNR finally switches back to SB when there's no other choice, and then phase over.
And finally we have today, where NNR votes immediately in LYLO without any thought or case or night kill analysis, or waiting for the night report, or me to say anything at all after he tried to flashwagon me at the end of the previous day.
I mean holy cow, dude. Are you that afraid of what I have to say?
##FoS NekoNekoRex
cut:
1 - Well, this is a difference of opinion. In my opinion he was town, so I docced him.
2 - Please read, above. Or just re-read NNR's posts and voting history, I guess.
3 - o/
4 - We can cover that in another post.
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I think Dan would have shot if he thought he was right. We have two scums because it's LYLO; six players last night so Dan had to pick once right out of five. I will go back and see if he crumbed who he was planning to hit, although it's possible he fakecrumbed to buy himself another night.
Actually I figure Dan was probably the best person to mislynch today. I wonder why they killed him. Maybe they figured Dan would shoot, miss, but they weren't sure who he would shoot. I guess they could be sure he wouldn't shoot himself.
I thought someone at some point brought up how long it took for you to claim.
That may be true; I simply responded to what I saw you say. I didn't know you were thinking about quotes from after my claim.
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Oh no, I was wrong, I thought someone called you out before you claimed. I just realised I may be mistaken.
Re-read is nw gonna be after I catch some Z's.
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Mad about everything.
Mad about Dan.
Mad about role shenanigans.
Mad that there are three claimed docs.
Mad that I couldn't keep interest in this game for more then a game day because of it all.
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I was actually ready to sub out at the end of D2 but for god knows why I'm still here.
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Dan didn't even do anything useful with his claim.
I still don't know who doc'd SB or why they did it.
But you got one thing right, eh? I bet there's not 4 VT's. Hey guess what NNR claimed.
This is still actually the dumbest reason to suspect me.
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I was against Massclaim because I knew it would be the death of my interest in this game, Skypal. I don't care about setup gaming, like, at all, and I lose all interest when I'm forced to do it.
Why shouldn't I be against massclaim, anyway? All it is is a neat way to let scum know who to shoot and roleblock.
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I actually kinda bet Skypal is gunning for me at this point because I'm the designated last easy mislynch since I'm really bordering on just subbing out and can barely tolerate keeping up.
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As soon as he started catching heat from Zakeri and I for his bad vote, he vote switched to ActionDan and put him at L-1, because "Fine, if we're going to play this game, then Dan makes a good enough lynch for me, anyway." OK, but where's your case? As soon as DNA criticised him for it, NNR cancelled his vote. Then he finally questions my claim, and then immediately revotes Raikaria without a case.
This is blatant wagon hopping in an attempt to distance himself from defending Serela, who I also said was scum on day 1. As well as that, minimal effort, no attempts to make a case, no real scumhunting and just defending or shutting down other players. NNR vote parks and disappears for the rest of day 1.
I actually hate you for all of this, especially the Raikaria thing since I've had a huge suspicion on him since D1.
I cancelled my vote on Dan because he asked me not to let someone get hammered by accident, too..
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I haven't even fucking mentioned Serela since D1 either.
Why do you still think I'm defending him? I literally do not give a shit about Serela at this point.He's in LYLO so the game is ruined anyway.
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Only now do I realize it's LYLO but at this point, fuck this game, the sooner it ends, the better. If scum wants to power hammer or whatever, then fine. Not that I don't think Skypal is obvscum at this point for his dumb claim anyway. How often does he try and get away with dumb claims? Pretty often.
##Vote: Skypaladin
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I really wish that this game hadn't been 2 days of panic lynches, or I would be a lot happier with the current outcome.
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That's actually the reason I hate this game the most. Is it really that hard for 9 people to be active and consolidate on the same fucking person more then 30 minutes before a lynch?
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Apparently it is. SB was at that point only scum by this fucking paradox of a game, and Zak wasn't even scummy for the duration of D1, he was just power-wagoned as an alternate choice to obvscum D1 Raikaria
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I'm going to laugh when Skypal and Raikaria are the scumteam because then this will have been the most annoying game I have ever played.
Except I won't be laughing because I still have a headache reading this stuff.
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That's actually the reason I hate this game the most. Is it really that hard for 9 people to be active and consolidate on the same fucking person more then 30 minutes before a lynch?
I told Dan that motk has issues with actually consolidating properly. BUT NOBODY EVER LISTENS TO SERELA
Given that meta says Raikaria's statement of "asking Serela to make a case in lylo is literally asking to lose the game" is actually painfully true, maybe not listening to me isn't the worst? I actually have a pretty good track record for catching scum when it's not lylo though ;_;
I admit my d2 was pretty lackluster, the first chunk of it was my birthday and then after that... welp, it was basically a 1v1 between Dan and SB. And the 1v1 was... entirely roleshenanigans. Of course, they both flipped town, so I guess it was a pretty shitty 1v1. I would have significantly considered voting Dan if he wasn't dead right now, but, uh, I guess that nightkill was pretty good then. I say significantly because SkyPal is still a thing. When I look at the playerlist, I'm preeeeeetty sure I'm going to hop on that skypal vote because OH BOY I SURE DO LOVE QUICKLYNCHES :D #serelaruinslyloyetagain
The part holding me back is where he's putting way more effort into the game than everyone else, so maybe I shouldn't be so hasty and should ACTUALLY REVIEW the other people. NNR/Raikaria scumteam wouldn't be that weird right? Darkie is weird as usual but I don't think he's scum.
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Votecount 3.2
Sky_Paladin: (1) NekoNekoRex
Not Voting: [4/5] Raikaria, Serela, Sky_Paladin, Darkninjaabc
You have 2 days, 14 hours and 18 minutes left. 3 votes are needed for a majority. It is now LYLO.
(Countdown) (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140516T00&p0=110&msg=Day+3)
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What the divine fuck Sky P. And everyone in general.
You covered me, a claimed VT, instead of the claimed Vig who was being super duper townie and playing NOTHING like his scum behavior.
Moreover, people just hammered the claimed Doctor who was ACTUALLY DEFENDING HIMSELF instead of the claimed VT who was lacklustre (NNR) throughout the game, NNR was, and is still going turbo apathetic and even mashed a random vote on Sky P IN FUCKING LYLO just for the sake of it.
I need some time to read everything that came up but seriously what the hell playerbase.
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DNA, I didn't believe Dan was a vig after SB died. I thought he was scum for sure. So then I thought "Who are scum going to try and hit?" I actually thought me, to be honest, or that I would be sabotaged at the very least, so any action would be futile.
Seeing as we were going into LYLO I wanted to save players who I thought were more likely to be town. You're welcome :/
I don't know what Dan's 'scummy' behavior is so I can't say what his 'town' behavior is. All I know is that he was way more active this game because we lit a fire under his ass and for that I am happy. That he got SB killed for no reason and then died, I am less happy about.
I just want to remind you that I am a town doc. If I was a scum doc, why would I have covered SB instead of my team mate? If I was scum, I would have claimed blocking the hit as soon as Dan put his hand up because it would make me look super town. Hell, looking back at all my drunk banana posts, it would have been very easy to say "oh yeah and here I am crumbing that I was going to cover SB". It would have been so easy.
Instead we have NNR hard defending Serela from the very start of the game. SB (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16813.msg1093257.html#msg1093257) even called him on it.
I don't mind if you want to vote Serela just to prove the association but I'm not 100% about Serela; I can't read her because everything she does looks scummy to me, even when she's town.
But I want NNR's head on a pike because his defence is "I can't be bothered to play properly" and a train of empty content posts that are self-contradictory.
NNR's made no effort to respond to my claim except to vote me. Everyone has been here and I'm not quick-hammered so safe to say NNR's scum. Or to be more specific, it is now a 1 v 1 versus NNR and I.
##vote NekoNekoRex
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NNR
and Zak wasn't even scummy for the duration of D1, he was just power-wagoned as an alternate choice to obvscum D1 Raikaria
Sigh. Did you mean Raitaki? Zakeri was the night 1 casualty.
But you are right about the panic-consolidation lynches. Seeing as I was nearly one of them yesterday.
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Sky P, do factor in that we don't have anything we can do to reliably confirm your ability as a town doctor, your protection claim is kind of forced and out of place. I appreciate you for townreading me but things stand currently that you ignored Vig!Dan and we paid for it.
That said AD's flip pretty much pseudo confirmed Sky P as town doc,
I would gladly lynch NNR and Serela by process of elimation. Raikaria's play is scummy but honestly I trust the BPV claim to fit in snugly in this setup.
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I really want to vote NNR for not being quickhammered already. But the day's discussion shouldn't end so fast.
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Overslept. Re-reading now.
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Just gonna throw out a thoughtwall as I read.
- Serela pops up and votes Sky for... not voting. [#37] He keeps this vote despite later posts for a while.
- Sky overeacts calling Dan a 'lurker' before we even have 2 pages of content. [#43]
- #57, DNA votes Sky because of the flaws in his vote on NNR.
- Sky shows up again. Makes a case on Serela but FoS's Serela instead of voting because that would be L-1.
- #83 - NNR is asking why are we voting Serela when several people have mentioned it.
- Missed SB/NNR interaction as important until Sky pointed it out in #84. SB accuses NNR/Serela scumteam
- #86 NNR writes off Serela's actions as scum and call;s it 'idiot townie'.
- #90 - More defending Serela, asking where his scum intent is. When I explain it as 'getting a mislynch on Sky as that's what's been happening a lot'. Then he just takes my offering of an 'intent' and discredits it in #97.
- DNA appearing to put in good town effort. [94/95]
- #114 Serela says a DNA lynch would not be bad
- #116 NNR votes me for my reasoning on what Serela might be doing. Which has happened the last 2 games in a row.
- Zakeri's #128 case on NNR sums up NNR/Serela D1 interactions pretty well. It almost seems like Chainsaw defense.
- Not to mention Sky accuses NNR of that exact thing in #130
- Serela claims NNR has been putting in 'effort' and 'pushing things pretty well' in #135, when all NNR's been really doing is defending him and chainsawing into me.
- NNR's #137 and #138. States why he thinks I'm scum and then randomly switches to Actiondan because he's 'A good enough lynch for me anyway'. No other reasoning. Could 'good enough' be a scumslip? Meaning 'He's not my scumbuddy?'
- DNA's #140. He wouldn't come out and say that if he was scum.
- #143 NNR openly states he is defending Serela. Again gives him the 'idiot townie' pass card.
- I'm an idiot and somehow during D1 read all of this as town effort. I guess flips and results change how things look in the eyes of the beholder.
- **Consolidation Rush**. Of people still alive me and DNA were mislynchers.. so whoops?
D1 summary:
Dosen't look like the following scum combos are possible:
- Me + NNR - NNR was really pushing me hard
- Me + DNA - Again, I stated multiple times that I would lynch DNA
- Me + Serela - I pushed Serela quite a lot
- Sky + Serela - They spent half the day slapping each other
- Sky + NNR - I doubt Sky would start slapping NNR for Chainsaw Defense if they were buddies
So this leaves:
Me + Sky - I guess you could accuse me of defending Sky, but Serela's vote was really bad, to the degree NNR was giving him 'idiot town' cards.
DNA + Serela - Nothing to suggest this really in D1; except DNA's D1 in retrospect looks townie now
DNA + NNR - Again, nothing suggests either way
DNA + Sky - You see where this is going, right?
NNR + Serela - Ding Ding Ding. NNR spent almost all of Day 1 defending Serela with a Chainsaw Defense. Serela was a lot less waffle-happy and active than usual during Day 1.
I'm about 90% sure after reading Day 1 that the scumteam is Serela+NNR.
Gonna re-read Day 2 now.
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- Day 2
- Actiondan vs SB. It is revealed AD lied about his role previously. It is very strange that he asks SB if he received a message as well before revealing that he is a Vigilante. What is the point of asking SB if he received the message you claimed he would during Day 1 if no such message would even exist?
- I must apologise. I recall DNA pushing for a massclaim, but it appears the suggestion was brought forward by Actiondan. It is worth noting that Serela is VERY vocal about being against a massclaim, despite him only claiming VT. [#224, #231]
Sky claims a 3rd doctor at some point. But as I said when it happened, I SERIOUSLY do not think that Sky_Paladin is dumb enough to claim as a 3rd binary Doctor unless he really was a 3rd Binary Doctor.
I'm waveing my arms around being useless and confused about the 1v1.
#289 - Serela is STILL being worried about the massclaim. Don't like this tone either:
But you say things like that and then it turns out that wow, town has a lot of power, and we reveal even more roles we probably shouldn't've.
Bolded in particular I don't like the tone of.
#294 is why I thought DNA was the mastermind behind the massclaim
#295 - Again, Serela's tone about claiming:
Anyway fine, I'm VT. There's several people who haven't claimed and I'm not going anywhere today (I... think?) so if we weren't fully massclaiming I didn't want to have already jumped at it. :T
'Anyway fine' suggests a great deal of annoyance at claiming, and then he complains about 'if we're not fully massclaiming *huff puff*''. Seems strange for a VT.
Both NNR and me mention dislike of the massclaim as well, but we are a lot less vocal than Serela is about it.
DNA keeps mentioning he would lynch me.
Serela keeps avoiding the main SB/Dan issue. Also in #313 he dosen't want people to talk about Role Shenanigans. Scum wouldn't want that. Worth noting NNR also shows apathy towards them.
NNR mentions he's 'mad an DNA for forcing a massclaim'. When it was ActionDan who actually suggested it [Which is the cause for my misunderstanding, I think] when he claims... VT again.
In #336 NNR says 'don't lynch Dan please' and in #340 he says he wants to lynch Dan.
From here Sky claims and it frankly just turns into a storm of panic as deadline looms.
Worth noting both NNR and Serela are on Sky_Paladin. Both of them flip to SB to secure a lynch as well. After all, if they are a scumteam, it wouldn't matter which of the two they lynched really.
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Pretty sure the scumteam is NNR/Serela at this point. The fact neither NNR or Sky have been quickhammered suggests at least NNR is scum. [Scum cannot quickhammer a wagon one of them is on, and they cannot quickhammer a wagon that would lynch one of them].
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
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Also I simply do not think a scumteam that does not involve one of Serela or NNR makes any sense at all looking at interactions.
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i am here raikaria, need the help?
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Well if I'm right about the scumteam it's not like Serela will hammer NNR.
But I'd rather you read for yourself and make up your own mind on the matter.
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I made up my mind already, tbh the roles read themselves out.
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I am ready BT. Are you L@DY?
##Vote: NNR
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I'm in classes, actually. You'll have to wait around two hours, sorry!
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Votecount 3.3 - Final
NekoNekoRex: (3) SkyPaladin, Raikaria, Darkninjaabc
Sky_Paladin: (1) NekoNekoRex
Not Voting: [1/5] Serela
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You lynched NNR. You bastards.
Dear NekoNekoRex, you are Dr. Hannibal Lecter.
(https://i.imgur.com/e24k3Ax.png)
You're a fictional character in a series of suspense novels. You balance being a brilliant psychiatrist and a cannibalistic serial killer. You're also cultured and sophisticated, with refined tastes in art, music and cuisine.
You are a Vanilla Townie. You have no actions.
You win if those aligned against the town are eliminated.
Town has lost majority! The remaining townies are endgamed:
Dear Raikaria, you are Dr. Albert W. Wily.
(https://i.imgur.com/cTheocW.png)
You're a video game character and the main antagonist of the original Mega Man series. You were Dr. Light's partner and friend and helped him create a series of humanoid robots to help mankind. The world had the gal to ignore your contribution, however, so you reprogrammed the robots to assist you in taking over the world.
You are a Town Bulletproof. You will target yourself during the night. Your target, yourself, will be protected from kills.
You win if those aligned against the town are eliminated.
Dear Darkninjaabc, you are Dr. Otto Gunther Octavius.
(https://i.imgur.com/qFxCoVE.png)
Also known as Doctor Octopus, you're a supervillain that appears in publications by Marvel Comics. You're a highly intelligent mad scientist who utilizes four powerful, mechanical appendages. Your obsessions include proving your own genius and destroying Spider-Man.
You are a Vanilla Townie. You have no actions.
You win if those aligned against the town are eliminated.
Team scum has won the game!
Dear Serela, you are Dr. Victor Henry Frankenstein.
(https://i.imgur.com/B8Npp9N.png)
You're the protagonist of the novel Frankenstein. You're an eccentric scientist. After studying chemical processes and the decay of living beings, you gained an insight into the creation of life and gave life to your own creature - Frankenstein's monster.
You are a Mafia Roleblocker. You may target a player during the night using the ##Block action. Any action your target uses will fail.
Your partner in crime is SkyPaladin. You may converse at any time in this (http://quicktopic.com/50/H/qs9tjhnNGzAf) quicktopic.
You win if those aligned with the town lose their majority.
Dear SkyPaladin, you are Dr. John H. Watson.
(https://i.imgur.com/oWRDe2X.png)
You're a character in the Sherlock Holmes stories. You're Sherlock Holmes' friend, assistant and sometime flatmate. You're also the first person narrator of all but four of these stories.
You are a Mafia Binary Doctor. You may target a player during the night using the ##Protect action. If your target is protected from kills, they will no longer be. If your target isn't protected from kills, they will be.
Your partner in crime is Serela. You may converse at any time in this (http://quicktopic.com/50/H/qs9tjhnNGzAf) quicktopic.
You win if those aligned with the town lose their majority.
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:D
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Wow, scum didn't even need to synchrohammer
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Serela and Sky.
I knew it!
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tbh even actual scums can't look as scummy as NNR.
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Scum QT (http://quicktopic.com/50/H/qs9tjhnNGzAf)
Mod QT (http://quicktopic.com/50/H/SnpWHWGLxGQ) (Night actions inside!)
Graveyard QT (http://quicktopic.com/50/H/PCcxiKCU63G)
Right, so nothing much actually happened in this game concerning the setup. A lot of things could have happened. A lot of things didn't because both vig shots were thwarted and both scum nightkills weren't blocked.
The "1v1" was a bit dubious. The choice to protect SB was bizarre, but considering the name of the game, something like the scumteam having a surplus of doctors could have been taken into account while figuring out why it happened. Eh, it's probably because people just didn't give the game their full attention (evident by the two deadline lynches mostly), but I didn't expect all that much different from a break game. I hope it was at least interesting for some people. Let's wish NNR a full recovery.
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Calamity. I even changed my shot from serela to nnr
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Well, this game was terrible anyway, and the outcome wasn't much more then I expected.
If I were scum I probably wouldn't have given up, but I wasn't, and I was too frustrated with the results to give a shit. Skypal's pushing looked pretty obvscum anyway, but there wasn't much I was going to be able to do other then complain about it, so whatever.
Also screw all of you guys for not being able to vote right at the end of D1 and D2. Those lynches were completely awful.
Serela is still bad for driving a murderbus on his buddy D1 too. Stop trying to kill your partners at any given opportunity, Serela, it doesn't work well as you think.
Also would it kill you guys to at least wait until I wake up in the morning to lynch me? God, Skypal makes ruining LYLO look so easy.
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bleh, i played like shit this game sorry BT.
Props to DNA for being obvtown towards the end (and Zak and Raitaki for D1 ;_;) and Serela for actually being sane, which is really why I townread him. NNR's lurking was questionnable but I felt like doing the same honestly just due to the ROLES ROLES ROLES argument D2 was demotivating as hell (THANKS DAN) and by the time I figured out that we should be trying to just lynch scum who weren't doing anything it was too late.
At least Dan didn't get to revenge vig me.
One day I'll actually roll scum, I swear.
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Well, I was half right. One of the scumteam was Serela/NNR, and I was right about feeling off about Serela.
I just went after the wrong head first.
But hey, Serela lived until LYLO. Town was doomed.
I don't exactly have a good record of winning at LYLO either. But neither does MotK town as a whole.
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Oh.
So it was all real.
Huh? How about that?
umm, nevermind.
SB: Serela being Sane is probably a scumread in his case, for future reference.
The Setup was actually pretty cool. Having the Vig did cock it up a little bit, but there was nothing BT could have done to fix it outside of handpicking who gets which role. Never give the Vig shot to dan. Ever.
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Well to my credit I did scumread Serela at the end.
I just scumread NNR more.
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tbh even actual scums can't look as scummy as NNR.
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Today I learned that vigs really, really want to be cops.
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Serela is still bad for driving a murderbus on his buddy D1 too. Stop trying to kill your partners at any given opportunity, Serela, it doesn't work well as you think.
You'd be surprised.
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I am generally a good vig.
generally
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I am generally a good vig.
generally
Between this and PAD i'm gonna go with no.
You had one job, Dan.
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Speaking of:
Why do I keep rolling BP? I swear this is the 2nd time in 3 games I've been BP.
Why does Dan keep rolling Vig too.
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PS: Sky P's opeing scum QT posts are amazing. Run Serela run!
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Nice job scums. Skypal especially, I believed every word you wrote.
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I PMed BT in LYLO saying I hoped that Serela rolled everybody to shut people up. I guess that sort of happened.
NNR was obvtown.
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At least I'm well known!
But yeah, I have a surprisingly solid scum track record for my past many scum games. Then again, it might just be that motk town has a surprisingly terrible town track record?
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At least I guessed correctly that you were scum C: Though your play this game was pretty off your meta tbh. You just hard tunneled onto Sky_Pal for 3 days straight and I was like "Serela doesn't usually get as determined as this early on"
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The first vote was more of a fluke/random chance than anything, I wanted to poke someone for something that existed instead of being random and his lack of vote was the easiest thing
and then his reactions to me got super scummy after awhile imo, claiming things like me pushing a disproved case and acting like I had been proven of having false intent? I mean really, now! D:
I got really lazy on d2 because A.1v1 and B.I could get away with it.
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hw hoq so you evwn read
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hw hoq so you evwn read
is this english
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Hey, DNA posted clear English for the whole game. Give him a break.
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i was deliberately speaking gibberish as i believed hw has the capability to townread me through senseless babble.