Medaka Box Mafia - GAME OVER

[Shadoweh]

It's not that I believe his tracker claim. I believe his behavior is consistent with someone who is a conditional tracker, but that's incidental to me just feeling like he's town. I do not think it was scummy of him to crumb that he visited me. I do not think he would have killed his prob-vanilla neighbour when his partner was hungry for Minuses. I do think that his reasoning for wanting to track you is sound, he wanted to confirm you as town/scum For Sure. I'm sorry that you feel like I'm shitting on your efforts, I can tell you're very convinced of what you're saying. I just think the evidence points against it.

I also think I made a pretty good case for BT being scum right there. >:T I mean if you want you can add how BT is sure Zak's role works once per person, which if he were town he would probably not believe Zakeri told the truth about that. I imagine that might even be a scumslip, some of Zakeri's role is REDACTED but it wouldn't be to the scum.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Votecount
BT (1): Bardiche
Bardiche (1): BT
Conqueror (0):
Sky Paladin (0):
Shadoweh (0):

Not voting: Conqueror, Sky Paladin, Shadoweh

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

You have ~22.5 hours remaining

[Conqueror]

I mean, I understand the role argument. It's a solid argument. But mods have done OP shit before. And I've never lynched someone solely off of role shenanigans so I'm scared to start now. I mean, usually it's just reaffirming a read I already had on someone.

Bard's reasoning for tracking Shadoweh and Sky lines up, but Bard has put so much emphasis on his individuality that I'm wondering how much weight he'd put on NNR's insistence on confirming Sky when NNR was basically the only person still pushing Sky at the end of D2. This probably means that I have to go and look at how Bard uses PRs in his past town games.

[Conqueror]

@Mod Could the abnormal backup use the same ability from the same dead person over different nights? Could the abnormal backup use different abilities from the same dead person over different nights?

[Bardiche]

Sky Paladin, you make my mind boggle.

I said there was a lie in that list because there was a roleblocker in play. I can only have known that because I was roleblocked. I wasn't even testing anything out. I was flat-out saying that there was a roleblocker in play and the only way I would know is if I was roleblocked.

Which I was.

And if I was Scum, wtf would I bother telling Town there's a roleblocker for?

[Bardiche]

And yes, I can talk about my neighbour role. Basically, you're saying I'm scummy because Dormio only didn't allow me to claim the condition to the not-neighbour ability.

Sorry, but this line of reasoning is stupid. Like, seriously stupid. I don't even know why you are even posting this because it's all stupid. I say there's a roleblocker because I was roleblocked. This is how language works. If someone says, "Oh, by the way, there's a roleblocker so unless x or y is the RB someone is lying", it means that they are aware there is a roleblocker. How does one become aware? Because one is the victim of it.

Are you doing this deliberately? I don't get how you just didn't understand that one. It's like, super simple stuff.

2 - He alluded to a possible roleblocker on day 4 and stated it on day 5. 

didn't crumb that he was roleblocked.

I'm actually getting really annoyed with how bad you are at reading. I said, flat-out, that there is a roleblocker. How is this "alluding" to a "possible" roleblocker? How can you not understand that me saying, "There is a roleblocker" is equal to "I was roleblocked so I am going to confirm there is a roleblocker".

[Conqueror]

Bard, what did you and NNR talk about in your QT anyway? Paraphrase, obviously. I mostly want to know why you decided to follow NNR's insistence on tracking Sky rather than your own.

[Bardiche]

Conq: I didn't check Sky for NNR, I checked Sky because I wanted to be sure of it myself.

NNR restated his case, added that he'd never be satisfied without a Sky Pal lynch. He also said in the QT he thought O4rfish was scummy as well but that Sky Paladin was the superior choice. He also said it was unlikely they were both Scum.

The QT was just mostly talking about his scumreads and how I felt about things.

[Conqueror]

Finally figured out how to word what's been bouncing around in my head.

N3 I attempted to target Sky Paladin because claiming VT is an easy test when you can Track. What's stopping me from claiming my condition is that I'm specifically not allowed to in my role. Why did you think I suspected SkyPal could be a townie that wasn't allowed to claim his role?

But if you thought he was a townie who couldn't claim his role and had to claim VT instead, wouldn't tracking him not tell you much unless you tracked him to the nightkill or something like that?

[Conqueror]

Er, what I mean to say was that from your defense of him D2 I got the impression that you didn't think Sky was VT; he just wasn't allowed to claim the conditions of his role. Did you change your mind on that afterwards when deciding to track him to test his VT claim?

[Conqueror]

*When did you change your mind

[Sky_Paladin]

I'm away for 12 hours and nothing happens, sheesh.  Nobody even said who they would not lynch. 

I'm going to bed, phase change will happen before I get up so I am actually setting my alarm to get up early to vote on a Sunday after I've been out all night so please put some content here to make it worth my time. 

I think this is where we are at. 

Shadoweh:  Wants to lynch BT, ignoring Conq and Bard.  Who is your second option? 
Conq:  Would lynch Bard, and presumably BT. 
Bard:  Would lynch BT, and presumably Conq. 
BT:  Would lynch Bard, and presumably Conq. 
Sky:  Would lynch Bard, and would lynch BT. 

Shadoweh and I both agree that we won't lynch Conqueror so it's really a choice of Bard or BT today.  And then presumably, whichever of Bard or BT we didn't lynch today. 

I guess my fear is that we lynch BT, I'm killed at night, Conquer and Bard crossvote and scum!Shadoweh hammers.  I don't like that Shadoweh's case on BT basically boils down to role shenanigans and setup speculation and we have directly opposed scumreads on Bard.  It's just frustrating for me because it looks like Bard is trying to retroactively apply stuff and only defending specific points instead of doing a general defend and targeted attack. 

I think he's scummy.  I think Conq is town.  I think BT is town.  Shadoweh, if BT flips town, what will you do then? 

***

I am going to bed.  I will be back before phase end to hammer if necessary.  I would prefer to vote Bard but I would also hammer BT.  If there's an awesome case somehow I would also consider voting Shadoweh or Conqueror but there would have to be something incredible because Shadoweh's lynch of Zak is supertown and Conqueror has been consistently tow. 

If there's a phase out before I get back well it's been fun but I can't see scum letting me live, see you in graveyard topic, and good luck town

[Sky_Paladin]

Actually

We also have a no lynch option. 

I don't know how that is useful as its still LYLO next day but we have one less mislynch available, but putting it out there in case somebody can see how to use it. 

[BT]

We're not no lynching because we gain nothing from it. By the way, you could have just voted right now, but suit yourself.

I'm gonna shower and then force myself to do rereads.

[Shadoweh]

We're at odds, so we don't want to no-lynch. It's better to go to 2-1 then 3-1.
Conq, what do you want to do? Sky wants Bard, I want BT, and obviously they want each other. The ball's in your court right now.

[Shadoweh]

  Shadoweh, if BT flips town, what will you do then? 

GET NIGHTKILLED.

[Sky_Paladin]

I could have voted but I was like 'why the fuck has nobody said anything for 14 hours when I clearly said people should say stuff' so I just wanted to remind you that, you know, the phase will end so we should actually come to a decision. 

[Sky_Paladin]

is there some reason (Shadoweh) that you won't say your second choice?

[Sky_Paladin]

OK I'm out for the night.  See you in eight hours.  There's nine and a half to phase end so there's plenty of time for you to lynch before then so I can go straight back to bed. 

Bonus material:
Last night I was up late doing mafia with you all and it affected my dreams.  I dreamed that Bard had sneaked into my old work place and lied about his military history and stolen one of our subs.  I was telling everybody we can't just believe his record because there was nobody to back it up, nobody had checked his references.  Then I went to work the next day and everything was on fire, and I was all like, guys I told you so.  I could see the fire from my house.  Which is impressive because I'm in Japan and my work place is in Australia. 

Also for some reason Bard looked like Josef Stalin and was totally drunk.  Nobody else appeared in my dreams except for my really old kendo sensei who was pissed that nobody had remembered his birthday.  And now I'm off to see what crazy shit my brain cooks up tonight. 

[Shadoweh]

I currently think it's between Bard and BT. I have the odd ability however, to waffle and change my mind at a moment's notice. Why would you want the scum, if there is another day, to know what he has to choose from for a better conclusion?

Cut by something amazing.

[Sky_Paladin]

I mean he just came into the naval yard and was like "Hey guys, it's me, I'm taking the sub out" and everyone went "Wait, do you even know how to drive it?" and he was like "Dont worry its not so hard, anybody can do it" so they were like 'sure off you go' and I was "uhhhh shouldn't we at least check his clearance?" and people were like 'naaah if he got this far he must be town.' 

Then BOOM.

[BT]

I have no hopes of posting anything more convincing than Sky's dream case.

Er, what I mean to say was that from your defense of him D2 I got the impression that you didn't think Sky was VT; he just wasn't allowed to claim the conditions of his role. Did you change your mind on that afterwards when deciding to track him to test his VT claim?

Shadoweh do you even have an opinion on this?

I don't even what Serela is doing.

Ooookay looks like time is short and I honestly do not like turning Day 1 into "lynch the newbie", so I hope at least one of you can give a cogent case for why CF7 is a good lynch for the day.

Gonna take some time to re-read Shadoweh and Sky Paladin, and maybe SB for voteparking NNR. Who's like a total bro, I don't get why you'd votepark him. Unless you want to say he's tryhard scum but that seems ridiculous.

Bard neglects to look at the CF7 wagon till the very end. This was after my convo with Conq. If he thought CF7 was town and didn't think anything of the cases and was pushing the Serela counterwagon, he should have been more involved in the CF7 wagon, either by trying to shut it down or by reading the cases and seeing why people want it. He does neither of the two. Instead he analyzes all the other players. CF7 earns the least attention out of all the wagons and non-wagons, town and scum reads alike.

I am good at figuring out stuff.

-_- No please, be more vague, I think it would really help your chances here.

You know, thinking, analysis, comparison.

Do you just like being punchable or are you pleading inability to claim here? If you're claiming something informationable you better be fucking clear, it's beyond the 7th hour right now andd your alt wagon is obvtown.

Okay, sorry.
In that case i won't claim my role as you'll see it in a few hours anyway.

HAMMER DOWN THE WAGON. A wise woman once said, paraphrasing your role takes moments. A good fakeclaim takes a lifetime. Trolling Shadoweh instead of claiming takes WELCOME TO DYING

Sounds a little harsh for a forged conversation.

DEAR EVERYONE FROM YESTERDAY
SUCK MY CHOCOLATE SALTY BALLS.

More of the same. My money goes on "genuine".

Okay that's D1. Go me.

[Conqueror]

Okay, where's Dormio at? I swear he avoided answering my questions on purpose.

Things I am going to look over real quickly when I get back.
Adorable Mafia and VA2.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

@Mod Could the abnormal backup use the same ability from the same dead person over different nights? Could the abnormal backup use different abilities from the same dead person over different nights?

Most restrictions on most abilities are mentioned in the role PM.

[Shadoweh]

Shadoweh do you even have an opinion on this?

I haven't thought much about it to be honest. I don't think it's scummy persay since Sky was claiming VT to the max. I'm kind of getting tired of making Bard's excuses for him though, it's just my thoughts on it.

Conq I am getting old and cold and cranky take a side, I am interested in seeing which way you swing, especially if there is a Tomorrow.

[Conqueror]

I really really hope there isn't a tomorrow. I don't want there to be a tomorrow because I am done with this game.

I know I've been sorta on the side because I'm pretty lost right now. If we're going by play, I'd lynch Bardiche. His claimed night actions and trajectory of scumreads in the thread just fit claimed scum better. For BT to be scum here, he'd have to have hard bussed from D1, then hard bussed Zak when that option came up, not to mention Zak's hard bussing of him at the start of D2. Plus, I think BT's play in the past few days has been a lot more proactive than Bard's.
The only real reason I'd lynch BT over Bard is because lolsetup. I don't know how much weight to put on this. Untargetable townie that can be inherited is a seriously painful role but BT could have just not claimed it if he knew it would get people looking funny at him. Also, there could be hidden conditions to rawr's role or something, given Dormio's non-answer answer. I just finished Adorable Mafia and BT's busses there were pretty terrible in content compared to how he would have had to bus his buddies in this game. Of course, that's a really old game, but it sprung to mind because of the similarities.

tl;dr I'm leaning Bardiche. I want Bardiche to give an answer to the most recent question I asked him since I think that's a clincher if he can't explain it. If he does have a good explanation I'll go back to waffling in these last few hours.

[Bardiche]

I peek in and find I'm being likened to Iosef Stalin now. I'm not sure what to think, I feel offended I guess by being likened to Stalin.

Did you change your mind on that afterwards when deciding to track him to test his VT claim?

It was pointed out to me that Sky Paladin said that it wasn't the case that he couldn't claim anything but VT. If I had a track result on him acting after all and it corresponded to that Night's kill target, you can imagine stuff needs to be said. Anyone else targeted? A negative effect points to maliciously lying, a positive effect would be that he indeed couldn't claim.

[Conqueror]

This game is way too hard.

Yes, but why track him over someone you thought was more likely to be scum, since you could also get positive/negative results from other people?

[Conqueror]

Bard, what was your most recent scumgame?

[Conqueror]

Serela, if there is a God, Sky Paladin will turn into a vig and justice will be sweet.

This was amusing, by the way. What are the odds?