Medaka Box Mafia - Night 4

[Conqueror]

Re: my shadoweh vote, I was being facetious. :V I just wanted to revote Shadoweh.

Reading this entire CF7 situation as "damned if you do, damned if you don't." See the way I got wagoned on the first day of Zombies. Look, I even linked it for you people.  I don't really find him to be acting all that differently from they way he's done in his previous town games. He could be scum caught in the same position but I see people concluding that his reaction here has to be from scum and that's just wrong. Plus I don't think his posts are particularly scummy so far? Re: comparing between his and my query for instance it looks like he's genuinely confused why people are attacking one person and not the other.

Not sure what to make of NNR's hyperaggressiveness towards CF7/Shadoweh etc as some of it felt a little forced, but ED1 etc. More interested in where his posts continue to go. One thing I want to ask NNR; why single out CF7 over other noncontributors?

Kingault, time for joke votes is over, game has started. B) Let's get a move on.

Hard to tell whether Sacchi is being Depore from CotA or just impressionable. Is being half-assed scummy to you, and why CF7? Why did you bring up CF7 only after everyone else had done so. Don't be afraid to bring stuff up even if no one is saying it; otherwise it's hard to see your thought process.

rawr is a cool guy. dan is probably a cool guy. bardiche is as unreadable as ever. not going to mindlink with shadoweh until she can show she is totally a good girl, but i'll totally play along in thread. also, you never added that quote to your sig.

but the way CF7 is trying to handle the pressure from people calling out his rolefishing feels scummy to me.

What would be a townie way for him to handle the pressure?

##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri

[Conqueror]

I think CF7 is at L-2 btw.

Kingault, do you think acting like a noob is scummy?

[Kingault]

Kingault, time for joke votes is over, game has started. B) Let's get a move on.

My last post wasn't joking...

[Conqueror]

yeah, that bit was posted before I read your post before me. respond to the post after it. :V

[NekoNekoRex]

Man I just woke up to look at the thread but the game feels like it hasn't progressed at all since I went to sleep.

Although maybe that's more a time of day issue an- oh cut by SUDDENLY HONKING HUGE POSTS CUTS EVERYWHERE GAHHH

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Votecount
CF7 (6): NekoNekoRex, Shadoweh, BT, Zakeri, Sacchi Hikaru, Kingault
Zakeri (2): ActionDan, Conqueror
Dr Rawr (1): CF7
Shadoweh (1): Serela
ActionDan (1): Sky Paladin
NekoNekoRex (1): SB
Serela (1): Bardiche
BT (1): DrRawr
SB (0):
Kingault (0):
Sacchi Hikaru (0):
Conqueror (0):
Sky Paladin (0):
Bardiche (0):

Not voting: Nobody
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

You have ~38 hours remaining.

[Kingault]

yeah, that bit was posted before I read your post before me. respond to the post after it. :V

No, but maybe they were acting like a noob on purpose to make people think they were just being a noob instead of scum.
Could just be my paranoia.

[Conqueror]

My real question to you is whether or not you think CF7 is "actually a noob," or at least in the way you're using that word. Because if he is, then it wouldn't be amiss of him to be acting like a noob, right?

[Conqueror]

DrRawr/Conq/SB... yeah I've no clue.

Also, since you posted this, I was wondering if you could elaborate on it a little. Doesn't matter if you think it doesn't make much sense. Just trying to figure out what you were thinking when you posted it.

[Kingault]

My real question to you is whether or not you think CF7 is "actually a noob," or at least in the way you're using that word. Because if he is, then it wouldn't be amiss of him to be acting like a noob, right?

Well, from what I've read, his behavior seems to match that from previous games, so it's possible he's genuinely acting like a "noob", for lack of a better term.

[paranoia]What if you're in cahoots with CF7 and trying to dissuade me from voting for him?[/paranoia]

By the no clue bit I meant that I after reading their posts, I uh... wasn't sure they were either scum/town.  As in, which of the two was more likely.
I'll try to elaborate more if you want me to, and I'll reread past posts later to see if anything... stands... uh. out/off?
Not the best at reading people, unfortunately.

[Dr Rawr]

alright cool im using a computer now

I think you are a cool dude, but I think BT's summary is more or less accurate

im pretty sure anyone has the ability to summarize peoples actions and make then sounds scummy. also actiondan since you seem to agree with BT on cf7 do you think hes scum? im just wondering since you seem pretty hung up on zak because he did 1+1=fish. it really looks like you seem to think making a error is more scummy then actually looking scummy since youre agreeing with BT case on cf7

[ActionDan]

I think both Cf7 and Zak are scummy yes

[NekoNekoRex]

I'm not going to address anything specific yet but first impression is that the game hasn't progressed very far as before. Apparently I was pretty spot-on with my thoughts since everyone piled on to wagon CF7.

CF7 himself doesn't look any better. He's just kind of mumbled helplessly and futzed around with his rawr vote, which to be honest isn't doing him favors, but the sheer amount of wagon piling is making me queasy as well.

We're half way into D1. "Having no scumreads" is absolutely not a good excuse any more. There are a ton of weak votes on the CF7 wagon and I could pick at any / all of them to nitpick or vote on if I felt like it.

One thing I want to ask NNR; why single out CF7 over other noncontributors?

As of ED1, as I quote here:

Anyways I'm not actually voting exclusively over lack of votes. I have a bunch of minor reasons to vote CF7 right now, such as him not doing much until prodded, and trying to pass the buck to other people with quotes like this:

Also, Conq here does the same thing, let's all vote him for it

and for generally being wishy-washy and reliant on rolespec.

I simply had more and better reasons to vote him over others. Before even that rawr vote, there were still minor ED1 reasons I had been voting for, so I didn't really see it prudent to switch when all the other NoVotes were more or less the same.

I could have switched to Sacchi for continuing to not put a vote down. He's actually still not much better as of now, since his vote is a pretty weak jump, but for the time I was pretty satisfied with my ED1 Case I already had. I dunno why I shouldn't be, I still consider it to be par with other votes town has right now, for something I had when there wasn't terribly much else to go on.

I'll have more in-depth looks at other people in the next post.

[Dr Rawr]

I think both Cf7 and Zak are scummy yes

 :colbert: well ok then

[Dr Rawr]

dormio when did bardiche vote me?

[NekoNekoRex]

I actually want to make an individual post to point out that Half a game-day of Dan's posting is better then the entirety of his activity for the last game. Maybe even his last couple games.

GJ Dan.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

dormio when did bardiche vote me?

I am not entirely sure of that myself. Counting is hard.

[Dr Rawr]

I am not entirely sure of that myself. Counting is hard.

wanna know what else is hard?

id really rather not have cf7 the only wagon today (unless hes actually scum then  :toot:). so would it be wrong of me to ask people on the cf7 wagon to give thoughts on other people? i think actiondan and nnr have already done this. im not trying to draw attention away from cf7 it just doesnt seem very productive to keep your vote on him and leave it there with no other reads or discussion especially if cf7 flips town

[Dr Rawr]

also i take everything i said about bardiche since i now realize hes been gunning for serela before the game even started

[Sky_Paladin]

I'm currently voting for Dan because in my experience he is either AFK or anti-town.  Also I was kind of (meta) waiting for him to hand out one of his famous town clears and voting that person.  Instead he gave two 'definitely scum' and has been pretty damn active this game.  Therefore, there is a big chunk of me that wants to keep my vote there because of meta. 

For now, I think Kingault's vote on CF7 is basically because "it's not like I can think of any better options at this point."  There's plenty of options but you just happened to consolidate on to the guy with the most votes?  We're not even halfway through day one.  It looks like a scum vote park to me. 

##vote Kingault

[Dr Rawr]

I'm currently voting for Dan because in my experience he is either AFK or anti-town.  Also I was kind of (meta) waiting for him to hand out one of his famous town clears and voting that person.  Instead he gave two 'definitely scum' and has been pretty damn active this game.  Therefore, there is a big chunk of me that wants to keep my vote there because of meta. 

wut

[Sky_Paladin]

Dan has something like an 80% record for townclearing players that happened to be scum.  Last game he picked 2/3 I think; and in AUS mafia he had 3/3 in the first 12 hours of the day.  I can't ignore that kind of statistic. 

[Kingault]

I'm currently voting for Dan because in my experience he is either AFK or anti-town.  Also I was kind of (meta) waiting for him to hand out one of his famous town clears and voting that person.  Instead he gave two 'definitely scum' and has been pretty damn active this game.  Therefore, there is a big chunk of me that wants to keep my vote there because of meta. 

For now, I think Kingault's vote on CF7 is basically because "it's not like I can think of any better options at this point."  There's plenty of options but you just happened to consolidate on to the guy with the most votes?  We're not even halfway through day one.  It looks like a scum vote park to me. 

##vote Kingault

To me, CF7 seems to be... Bah. thinking of how to word it best.
Basically, to me, CF7 is the only one I think might more likely be scum than not, or something.

But sure, go for it. Lynch me and waste a day.

[Dr Rawr]

i decided to upgrade because i still cant understand

i still cant put this together... how does dan being more active and having scum reads over town reads make you want to vote him? its like hes doing the opposite of what you didnt want but youre voting him anyways?

[Sky_Paladin]

Err...I'm not voting him?

[Dr Rawr]

I'm currently voting for Dan because in my experience he is either AFK or anti-town.  Also I was kind of (meta) waiting for him to hand out one of his famous town clears and voting that person.  Instead he gave two 'definitely scum' and has been pretty damn active this game.  Therefore, there is a big chunk of me that wants to keep my vote there because of meta. 

okay

[Sky_Paladin]

For now, I think Kingault's vote on CF7 is basically because "it's not like I can think of any better options at this point."  There's plenty of options but you just happened to consolidate on to the guy with the most votes?  We're not even halfway through day one.  It looks like a scum vote park to me.

##vote Kingault

Ara?

[Mr. Sacchi]

Agh, I take a nap and then the game picks up.

ALRIGHT LET ME GO READ EVERYTHING GIMME A SEC

Sacchi looks like blatant hopping on the bandwagon, especially considering the "me too" part. Is there no one else you consider worthy talking about or are you just going to regurgitate popular arguments?

The former, however seeing his 107 is an understandable reaction from a genuinely confused person, despite it being a null tell for me.

I'll take this time to ##Unvote.

Hard to tell whether Sacchi is being Depore from CotA or just impressionable. Is being half-assed scummy to you, and why CF7? Why did you bring up CF7 only after everyone else had done so. Don't be afraid to bring stuff up even if no one is saying it; otherwise it's hard to see your thought process.

Being half-assed isn't particularly scummy to me tbh, it was more a vote to see his reaction (especially to so many people voting him) but as I said right above, his response convinces me that he's just confused, though I can't say scummy or townie yet. I'm really wary of having townreads or scumreads so early in the game tbh. However in hindsight CF7 isn't exactly the only culprit on the posts-which-seem-half-assed thing, I could make a case on dr rawr and dan on this one but that could just be meta.

Speaking of scum/townreads, despite appreciating the early townread from Shadoweh, it seems real fishy to me that anyone would ever have a townread on anyone else so early in the game unless you're banking hard on meta, which could be the case for Serela I guess (but we know how Omerta Mafia ended don't we) but certainly not me.

NNR trying so hard to break out of RVS and keeping to prod people for other votes is also fishy, I feel like he's trying too hard. That's a null tell though since it could be genuinely towny intent or just scum trying to look as towny as possible.

Kingault has like, three posts, that's not exactly much to form an opinion on.

Can't really say anything about Serela more than what Bard already said, either. I would like to ask Bard what he thinks of everyone not named Serela/CF7/Sacchi though.

Zakeri doesn't have much content on his name so far either, my thought process is currently "none" on him, actually.

...Y'know I just noticed it's being incredibly hard to put thought processes of my own here without making one-liners and trying to default to other people's arguments.

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##Vote: Sky_Paladin

Okay, so you vote Kingault for what I can understand are valid reasons, but your case on dan is just... No. And I don't think this game works on statistics.

Kingault's answer feels incredibly anti-town to me however, if you really are town then why is your answer basically amounting to "sure, whatever"?

[Mr. Sacchi]

Clarifying a bit more on my vote here: It feels like Sky Paladin is really grasping at straws here, plus the Kingault thing actually feels a bit opportunistic to me since people have been dismissing the CF7 wagon.

[Sky_Paladin]

.......

I AM NOT VOTING FOR DAN.