Author Topic: Urist Fortress Mafia - Night 3 (Read 94895 times)

Serela · « **Reply #750 on:** January 18, 2014, 03:32:59 AM »

CF7 being scum counterwagon is a thing.

Want to lynch Shadoweh at the moment, waiting for night action results to all be claimed.

Dorian White · « **Reply #751 on:** January 18, 2014, 04:14:12 AM »

Quote from: Serela on January 18, 2014, 03:32:59 AM

CF7 being scum counterwagon is a thing.

Want to lynch Shadoweh at the moment, waiting for night action results to all be claimed.

That was actually my plan too but now is it 5AM, so I call it a night.

## Vote: Shadoweh
Cause I'm not leaving without my vote placed.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #752 on:** January 18, 2014, 04:16:32 AM »

>_> I hope you aren't waiting on me. I told you yesterday I wasn't going to use my kill me power on anyone.

Zakeri might have flipped scum but he was telling the truth about having a kill at least? From what Raikaria said about kill orders if it kills after the other person acts, that would make three kills the first night if Conq is telling the truth? Which is more explainable at least.

Conqueror · « **Reply #753 on:** January 18, 2014, 04:18:48 AM »

Shadoweh you're the SK aren't you.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #754 on:** January 18, 2014, 04:24:03 AM »

I'm sure I have the ability to go beyond Day 1 without being caught as an SK, geez Conq. Give me some credit.

CF7 · « **Reply #755 on:** January 18, 2014, 06:17:21 AM »

Ahem. Yes, i double voted my scum buddy. Because it was the only logical thing as a scum to do.
On a more serious note, i believe i mentioned several times that i suspected Zak.
As for today. I can vote for Shadoweh i guess.

DNAbc · « **Reply #756 on:** January 18, 2014, 06:27:30 AM »

Quote from: CF7 on January 18, 2014, 06:17:21 AM

Ahem. Yes, i double voted my scum buddy. Becaus
e it was the only logical thing as a scum to do.
On a more serious note, i believe i mentioned several times that i suspected Zak.
As for today. I can vote for Shadoweh i guess.

dude. you HAMMEREDyour scumbuddy and cut off night action allocation.

thats so protown
........
on the other hand i dont really know what to response to conq and dorian.

mainly due to how their argument on me being scum is because i confused even myself in roleshens and did stupid crap. of which serela snapped me out of it.

i mean i sucked at attempting roleshens but i did stop however. i didnt forcefully tunnel on a single person and show minimum concern for the rest of the gamestate, i also go to justify what ai do in hindsight so things can actually be clarified, unlike some other who just hammered with his double vote and delay us another night of role info.

why the fuck am i even being considered being lynched when literally the only anti town thing i have done is delve into the messy roleshens. it does make the thread cluttered and town confused which is why i recognised my mistake and stopped it!

Conqueror · « **Reply #757 on:** January 18, 2014, 06:29:22 AM »

Quote from: Darkninjaabc on January 18, 2014, 06:27:30 AM

on the other hand i dont really know what to response to conq and dorian.

mainly due to how their argument on me being scum is because i confused even myself in roleshens and did stupid crap. of which serela snapped me out of it.

Dude, I didn't even say anything about you?

Conqueror · « **Reply #758 on:** January 18, 2014, 06:30:36 AM »

CF7, did you know that your vote on Zak was the hammer?

CF7 · « **Reply #759 on:** January 18, 2014, 06:33:31 AM »

Quote from: Conqueror on January 18, 2014, 06:30:36 AM

CF7, did you know that your vote on Zak was the hammer?

I did.

SB · « **Reply #760 on:** January 18, 2014, 09:50:14 AM »

Cheez scanned town.

DNAbc · « **Reply #761 on:** January 18, 2014, 10:25:07 AM »

sorry conq i was meaning to address the bpv problem but cut my post short due to irl.

tbh i dont like your role. simply because bpv is honestly uncommon for town, and even in a max possible 5nk setup because scum is unlikely to gambit away that one conditional nk first thing neither would the scum shoot their buddies either.

so on n1 the maximum possible kills should be four, and with two scum oriented shots (sk preference would be whoever pulling attention to him), factoring in player randomness i personally find it plausible scum is granted a bpv to just not let a weak scumteam end the game instantly

doriano you mentioned thw worst possible scenario hitting town and that town needs something to safeguard itself. i personally find it countered in the sense of there simply being alot of superpowers (such as joat and tracker making up cop dying n1) and lots of active protection (jailer joat and doctor)

DNAbc · « **Reply #762 on:** January 18, 2014, 01:41:37 PM »

say something you all, especially cf7

##Vote: CF7

CF7 · « **Reply #763 on:** January 18, 2014, 01:48:51 PM »

Ahem. After all the shit you've pulled here, you want to hear from me? I'm not sure if i should be overjoyed or offended.

DNAbc · « **Reply #764 on:** January 18, 2014, 04:15:20 PM »

SB why wouldnt you shoot cf7?

SB · « **Reply #765 on:** January 18, 2014, 04:28:13 PM »

Okay, now that I'm back and not running around to make sure I don't end up late for puppy training I guess I'll explain my scan. I figured Cheez was pretty central in all the role confusion earlier and I had weird scumvibes on him when I reread D1 that I didn't know how to explain (and jailkeeper could easily be an excuse to hook obvtown roles as a town hooker.)

DNA's Conq case is bad since BPVs on strong players benefit town and scum and doesn't actually say why he's scummy playerwise (and now Zak flipped as scum extra kill I now feel infinitely better about him since I thought he could be bsing. He could still be actually but I think it's less likely?)

I didn't shoot CF7 considering inspect is more powerful.

SB · « **Reply #766 on:** January 18, 2014, 04:30:34 PM »

I'm considering a Shadoweh vote but I have no idea what I feel about her, it's just PoE and I don't feel like rereading right now since I kinda just want to game for a bit. DNA would be a good lynch maybe, and CF7's Zak hammer has confused me (although I can still see the scum benefit, I guess.)

DNAbc · « **Reply #767 on:** January 18, 2014, 04:44:39 PM »

Quote from: SB on January 18, 2014, 04:28:13 PM

DNA's Conq case is bad since BPVs on strong players benefit town and scum and doesn't actually say why he's scummy playerwise (and now Zak flipped as scum extra kill I now feel infinitely better about him since I thought he could be bsing. He could still be actually but I think it's less likely?)

I didn't shoot CF7 considering inspect is more powerful.

I would like to address two problems in this.

I am never against conq as a player, I am against his role because in this setup it is definitely possible to have scum lose instantly.

We have a unlimited cop, track and a joat. I would expect a godfather from this setup. Therefore while cop results are useful, there exist a much better option right then, to outright shoot someone. There is the CF7, Cheez, Shadoweh and even myself whom you can shoot and clear things up for sure.
Please justify how that a possibly wrong cop result is better than a flip.

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And then there's the part about lynching me. You did show awareness of my posts since you actually thought that my ''conq case'' was bad, and since you never did say my defend on myself isn't trustworthy either, I am assuming that you understand my logic, if so, why would you still push for my lynch?

SB · « **Reply #768 on:** January 18, 2014, 05:02:07 PM »

Your suspicion on Conq is based on role and not play which is WHY it's bad. Town would also love in a bulletproof in a setup like this with so many kills, just because it benefits the mafia as well as the town doesn't make it more likely to be one or the other.

Inspecting someone doesn't have a nasty side effect of Killing Them If They Are Town. Hitting a Godfather is less likely than vigging scum, not to mention potential redirects etc.

Your defense clearly wasn't a good one if I don't remember you doing it at all, tbh I just remember rolespec.

Serela · « **Reply #769 on:** January 18, 2014, 05:50:24 PM »

If you're going to lynch someone based purely off of role shenanigans, it better be pretty solid role shenanigan reasons. This is -nowhere- near solid, it's just trying to outguess the mod by assuming a town BP would be out of the question, which it isn't.

Dorian White · « **Reply #770 on:** January 18, 2014, 05:54:31 PM »

Geez, just a few posts and still so much to address.

@Shadoweh: We can assume that Zakeri ambushed Sky, as O4rfish pointed out already. Which means indeed two scum NKs and no Vig shoot.

@CF7: To double voted my scum buddy into nirvana is indeed not too unlikely when it A safes yourself from getting lynched and B cut the the day short by 12 hours. And the fact that you were apparently aware of what you were doing but didn't felt the need to mention it to us, who were clearly unaware of it, makes me want to strangle you regardless of your alignment.

@Ninja: To say that you confused yourself with roles is quite a bloody understatement. Haven't you called me out on it, that I would waste towns time by ignoring and distract from the things that matters, ITT your setup speculation? And wasn't you first reaction to Serelas arguments not to put him into your ?confirmed five player scum team? for the same reason? You insisted to confused yourself and everyone else with it and how protown do you think that was?
And no, you certainly didn't ?tunnel on a single person?, you have shown enough concern to justify a jump on every player alive. Do I need to tell you that a wide field of suspicion befit a scum agenda way better than a narrow focus?
Also, why the fuck do you think that one voice of suspicion, from someone who's not even voting you at the moment, makes you a considered lynch for today? So stop crying wolf every time someone looks at you funny, it's bloody annoying.

OK, there goes my countenance. Guess I need a deep breath before I go on here.^^;

Conqueror · « **Reply #771 on:** January 18, 2014, 06:54:35 PM »

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I am never against conq as a player, I am against his role because in this setup it is definitely possible to have scum lose instantly.

1) You're assuming that everyone else is telling the truth about their roles.
2)

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bpv is honestly uncommon for town

It's not.
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scum is unlikely to gambit away that one conditional nk first thing

Why not? Actually, this makes me think; why didn't they just ambush you N1? You were claimed doc, and the probability of you not using your protect was close to nil.

The more darkninja posts the more I consider the possibility of him being a mafia doctor because he keeps harping on this issue of "but mafia can't stop all these extra kills." Play is almost always more important than roles or a complement to it; the fact that you keep saying "I'm fine with Conq's play BUT HIS ROLE COULD BE SCUM" tires me. Consider this: if I were a scum bulletproof, my play would show it in other ways apart from my role.

Serela · « **Reply #772 on:** January 18, 2014, 06:59:47 PM »

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The more darkninja posts the more I consider the possibility of him being a mafia doctor

same

Conqueror · « **Reply #773 on:** January 18, 2014, 07:03:41 PM »

Thought about SB inspect on Cheez and I've decided that overall it makes both of them look better. I was kinda on the fence on both of them earlier but SB's recent posts have continued to be town and I don't think Cheez is a scum godfather or whatever. I don't think this is the play they'd come up with as scum together either.

Dorian's posting has actually been pretty solid recently, so not really interested in him either.

Serela still reads town to me.

If I'm right about all these reads, that leaves a lynch pool of:

7: CF7
8: Shadoweh
10: Darkninjaabc

The point about darkninja not being ambushed gets stronger every time I think about it. There's no reason for scum not to use ambush on him N1. They're not going to assume he's going to be protected by another doc or whatever. How's this for role shenanigans, darkninja? Combine this with his play, which recently has boiled down to "these five players are confirmed scum and also role shenanigans."

Shadoweh jokingly going "Conq I'm totally not SK" but providing nothing else just makes me think she's SK.

CF7, I don't know. Him being scum counterwagon is a thing but double scum wagons have happened before and his play has been pretty go with the flow. Will have to reread him again.

CF7 · « **Reply #774 on:** January 18, 2014, 07:05:35 PM »

Shadoweh, whom did you protect this night?
Also i'm still kind of don't trust our doctor.

Serela · « **Reply #775 on:** January 18, 2014, 07:29:45 PM »

Pretty much agree with Conq entirely here, albiet my reasons for Shadoweh may be slightly different but it's nothing big

Shadoweh · « **Reply #776 on:** January 18, 2014, 08:09:24 PM »

I already said I didn't protect anyone last night >_>
The way you keep accusing me of your own role is pretty cheeky too. As long as no one tries to kill you again at least you'll probably win, right?

Dorian White · « **Reply #777 on:** January 18, 2014, 08:29:30 PM »

@Conq: Why is Shadoweh SK and not scum? I can't remember that you considered that option before.

Oh, Shadoweh graced us with her presence, anything you like to say aside from ?I'm not the SK because Conq is the SK??

Conqueror · « **Reply #778 on:** January 18, 2014, 08:31:56 PM »

Dorian: Gut via play and Zakeri interactions, plus the fact that she got tracked to me the night I got shot. Her being mafia wouldn't be super surprising, although it would mean I read her wrong initially.

Quote from: Shadoweh on January 18, 2014, 08:09:24 PM

The way you keep accusing me of your own role is pretty cheeky too. As long as no one tries to kill you again at least you'll probably win, right?

>implying implications
If no one tries to kill me I'll probably win as part of the town yeah. B)
What would be nice is actual opinions on the gamestate though.

Conqueror · « **Reply #779 on:** January 18, 2014, 08:33:04 PM »

Also Shadoweh you realize that the only thing keeping me from lynching you off the face of the earth right now is that I think you might be SK right? :V
Put some effort into this.