Urist Fortress Mafia - Night 3

[Conqueror]

you have my vote conq.   Your own voice counts for 2 people

Incoming multiple personalities.

did I ever mention that Oarfish was practically confirmed town since his first post?

Oh hey, I think you're probably right about that. Missed that nuance the first time round.

[Conqueror]

actually, oarfish seems to be familiar with dwarf fortress, so it doesn't mean as much. >_>

I think he's having too much fun for newbie scum though. Especially with that post he translated out of dwarf lingoese.

[Shadoweh]

If I were Dormio I would be asleep and/or in school right now.
If you're seriously going to hold the lynch hostage like this when no one is here fine but I don't think Mr. P is swingable.

##Vote: Sky Paladin

[Shadoweh]

##Unvote
##Vote: Sky Paladin
Whoops just remembered this isn't MS

[Cheez8]

Cheez, why do you specifically ignore the part where I nailed your blurb contains much waffling but little stance.

Oh, sorry. I guess it's because I've been waffling so much during these games that I've just come to terms with it and kind of forgot that it meant anything.

...Also because I'm not entirely sure that there was any waffling in the post of mine that you said had waffling in it. If there was, then I've grown so used to waffling that my standards for what counts as "waffling" have actually risen as a result. Sheesh.

Cut by Dan. No, you never mentioned that. You also never mentioned anything else. You also never mentioned why you think that. Thanks, Conq.

[Conqueror]

If I were Dormio I would be asleep and/or in school right now.
If you're seriously going to hold the lynch hostage like this when no one is here fine but I don't think Mr. P is swingable.

##Vote: Sky Paladin

I don't want to hold the lynch hostage. I just want people's input.

Also, I'm pretty sure Dormio not asleep or at school right now, but he could be playing vidya games.

[DNAbc]

Oh due to unexpected circumstances I am back on.

Throw me more stuff people

[Conqueror]

Dormio (3): Fortress Populous; Cheez8; Darkninjaabc
Sky_Paladin (4): Serela; Conq; ActionDan; Shadoweh
Darkninjaabc (2): NNR; O4rfish
NNR (2): SB, Zakeri
Serela (1): CF7
Conq (1): Dormio
ActionDan (1): Sky_Paladin


If Sky is around I want him to explain what's so offensive around Dan's posting in this game compared to last game where he went so far as to vote someone for attacking Dan.

[Conqueror]

Actually, I'm pretty sure Dormio is around here, if not expressly reading the mafia forums. But he gets email notifications, so he knows there's activity here. DORMIO GET IN HERE OR IM SWITCHING TO YOU BECAUSE IM SLEEPING IN LIKE AN HOUR.

[Conqueror]

Actually, I'm probably being too nice to Dormio just because I don't want to be too mean.
##Unvote
##Vote Dormio
If anyone else here had pulled what Dormio had done in this game I would have already turbolynched them.

[Sky_Paladin]

Oh you~

I think the scum team is Serela, ActionDan, and Conqueror.  Watch me die tonight~

NOW I HAVE TO PERSUADE YOU TO LISTEN SOMEHOW. 

So let's start with the easy one. 

Serela --

Serela's back and forth about her reason for voting for CF7 (which turned out to be accidentally voting for me but then she changed her story and said she meant to vote for CF7 all along but somehow got confused) culminates in this post and ends up as a vote for me, because:

"Oh jeez, we have to consolidate already. I'd be okay with lynching any of Dormio/CF7/Skypal and NNR I wouldn't complain too much about- but I suppose I'd pick SkyPal as the bigger priority"

Trying to force a consolidate when there's over half a day left in the phase is scummy.  Trying to consolidate on to somebody specifically because there was a wagon isn't so bad, except there were no votes for me at this stage and there was no wagon. 
Serela's conclusion is wrong and she has lied about her reasoning and motivation throughout this entire game.  At some point you have to wake up ask can somebody consistently get it wrong and then blame lack of sleep or is there an actual legitimate scumslip in there.  If anybody else did it you'd string them up without a second thought.  This was an OMGUS vote.

"I don't really know how to explain to SkyPaladin any clearer why I'm voting for him, because I thought I already made it pretty clear >_>; "Stop lying" is a blatant and unwarranted attack on my character without actually addressing anything, as well. It only makes me want to vote him more."

If it is pretty clear then it should be easy for you to quote your own post to highlight where and why.  Handwaving arguments and stalling tactics without posting results is scummy behaviour. 

I'm too tired to think properly at this point, though, in any case >_> Debating which wagon I should shift onto because of impending deadline.

  What's the point in 'debating' when your trying to play off against other players that you are incapable of making a rational decision?  Town should vote for the people they think they are scum, not pick the most popular wagon. 

Guys, Serela is scum. 

***

Action and and Conq next. 

[Conqueror]

Also, in the event we're lynching Dormio, I'd like to bring him up to 8 votes, just in case there are shenanigans.

[ActionDan]

##unvote
##vote Dormio

[Sky_Paladin]

I told you I was away for a couple of hours, so of course they all vote for the guy who was afk   That's so lame. 

[ActionDan]

tough shit

[CF7]

Just woke up. Noticed walls of text and an actual discussion. *Overjoyed.* Will post and vote after reading stuff.

[Sky_Paladin]

And now those three will try to push for Dormio, no?

Conqueror's spent the whole game poking people trying to get a weakness so he can drill 'em.  Why would he go after players like Oarfish and leave ActionDan alone?  Oarfish was actually voting for Dan at the time, until Conqueror poked him.  Once the vote was gone, Conqueror left him alone. 

It's clearly...Conqueror and Action Dan working together.  I wish I had three votes.  I'd vote you all. 

If there's a detective, please check one of those two tonight.  If there's a medic, please cover me.  Pretty sure I'm dead otherwise. 

[Conqueror]

And Sky cuts me with a post that makes me want to switch back.

Trying to force a consolidate when there's over half a day left in the phase is scummy.

Given how disorganized this town is, no. I've had to scream and kick for a Dormio lynch and I only have about 4 interested parties and it's a few hours to deadline. What's your justification for saying the Serela has been lying about motivation the entire game? Summarizing Serela's counterarguments as handwaving arguments and stalling tactics doesn't work because Serela hasn't been doing that in your case?

If it is pretty clear then it should be easy for you to quote your own post to highlight where and why.

Highlight where Serela did what you were talking about, please.

[Conqueror]

Conqueror's spent the whole game poking people trying to get a weakness so he can drill 'em.  Why would he go after players like Oarfish and leave ActionDan alone?  Oarfish was actually voting for Dan at the time, until Conqueror poked him.  Once the vote was gone, Conqueror left him alone. 

It's clearly...Conqueror and Action Dan working together.  I wish I had three votes.  I'd vote you all. 

If there's a detective, please check one of those two tonight.  If there's a medic, please cover me.  Pretty sure I'm dead otherwise.

Serious question, Sky. Do you have any proof of you making outrageous statements like this as town, where you confidently declare a scumteam on d1 and expect to be nightkilled? If you do, link me, because holy shit the logic in this is wow. When did I ever go after Oarfish? Point me out. It should be easy for you to do so, right?

[Conqueror]

##Unvote
##Vote: Sky_Paladin

Dormio, you suck, just fyi.

[Conqueror]

##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio

nvm just skimmed utena d1

[Sky_Paladin]

Conqueror

What's your justification for saying the Serela has been lying about motivation the entire game? Summarizing Serela's counterarguments as handwaving arguments and stalling tactics doesn't work because Serela hasn't been doing that in your case?

Because Serela keeps changing her story and contradicts herself in nearly every post. 

Highlight where Serela did what you were talking about, please.

I can't show you where Serela did it because I am saying SHE DIDN'T DO IT.  I am asking her to do it, because of "I don't really know how to explain to SkyPaladin any clearer why I'm voting for him, because I thought I already made it pretty clear >_>; "Stop lying" is a blatant and unwarranted attack on my character without actually addressing anything, as well. It only makes me want to vote him more." which I actually quoted in the post that you replied to.  The post in question is here. 

Serious question, Sky. Do you have any proof of you making outrageous statements like this as town, where you confidently declare a scumteam on d1 and expect to be nightkilled?

I don't know, maybe the game we just played.  Or the game on Megatokyo where I died night 2, so yeah.  It's a pretty common occurrence.  That's why in #Megatokyo, voting for me is a valid scumslip.  I get killed pretty often early in the game. 

[Conqueror]

This feels more like a miscommunication error than anything. I'll wait for Serela to reply to that though.

Sky, what do you think of Dormio independent of the false scenario where I am scum?

I don't think I want to lynch Sky anymore. I know, I'm fickle like that. Dormio lynch full speed ahead!

[Sky_Paladin]

I'll get to it (Dormio) after I've finished my Dan post. 

[Cheez8]

I kind of have to admit here, it's pretty rare for people to catch the entire scum team D1 (and I have a feeling this is the case here as much as it is anywhere else.) Kind of sad to say, but I'm not exactly as confident in Paladin's theory as he is. I'm still more inclined to view Serela's confusion as a towntell than a scumtell.

I still think Dormio is the scummiest right now and it would be great if that lynch could happen. Dan is rising in the ranks pretty fast though, with how much he's not contributing (to the point of even expressly stating he will sheep player X and stop providing his own reasons), and it's kind of a shame he doesn't have more votes right now.

[Sky_Paladin]

Such a shame~~  Then why not vote for ActionDan?  You can make a difference <3

[DNAbc]

Hey, conq, but I actually feel that paladin is more suspicious in his crack theory. It is pretty obvious in AUS maf Sky tends to flip into incoherent theories madness when he's pressured as scum.

Moreover, its never really Sky's style to be so excessively bold. At this point I am very much willing to hammer sky.


Wanna do it?

[DNAbc]

Moreover, I feel that jumping on Serela is another lame scum attempt at wasting our time. It is pretty obvious where the wagons are actually leading, and it obviously has been agreed on that Serela is not to be bothered because she's Serela. To randomly pick on who can be the most fickle, confusing and difficult-to-turbolynch candidate is retarded considering Serela contradicting herself is almost normality as opposed to Sky Paladin balantly contradicting his priority lynches and to just jump on whoever on his so-called ''scumteam''

[Cheez8]

Such a shame~~  Then why not vote for ActionDan?  You can make a difference <3

Dormio's basically just as scummy (maybe moreso) and he's over halfway there. Dan has one vote.

[Sky_Paladin]

and it obviously has been agreed on that Serela is not to be bothered because she's Serela.

And what if when Serela is scum?  You're just gonna do nothing?  You going to give her a free pass forever because of who they are?  It's the same thing as people wanting to policy lynch you.  Is it really such a good strategy? 

Do you honestly think I am doing less for town than the players who are chronically afk or just sheeping others, like ActionDan?

Can you honestly vote for me thinking I'm scum? 

But you know, it's better to kill off the active players that are scumhunting - even if they aren't 100% right - than to go for the ones who are probably scum.  It was such a great strategy, you did it last game, and oh whoops, scum won. 

But hey sure let's do it again.  I'm sure it'll be different this time. 



Or maybe you could vote for somebody you actually think is scum.