Author Topic: Urist Fortress Mafia - Night 3  (Read 94894 times)

Serela

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #180 on: January 13, 2014, 01:35:16 AM »
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Serela, sky paladin isn't voting for you on the "lying" thing anymore since I think it became pretty clear you just mixed up your words or whatever.
No, he told me (again?) to stop lying after my actual not-messed-up post
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Cheez8

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #181 on: January 13, 2014, 02:09:59 AM »
You're assigning motivations to my questioning like I'm a manipulative bastard carefully controlling my public image when I'm just asking people questions.
The thing is, I can actually kind of see you being a good enough player to control your image almost perfectly as scum. (probably because you did so in the very first game I saw here)

On the other hand I think I've come to the conclusion that asking questions really probably isn't too incriminating, and even though I'm going back and forth on this at roughly the same rate you two are posting I'm pretty sure I still don't like Dormio. "What if Serela is scum" is... well, a pretty bad argument for insisting on voting someone. I don't know if Dormio would try more as town or as scum and I honestly don't care, because in the parts of the debate that aren't drowning in meta, Dormio is doing a pretty bad job at justifying his actions. I'm a little happier about my vote now.

It is kind of getting hard to keep track of whether or not you guys have actually said the things you're claiming were said or not said though.
Someday, I'll have a clue what I'm doing.

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #182 on: January 13, 2014, 02:43:14 AM »
I'm awake! And holy shit these votecounts do not look good. I'm sure that's a very interesting wall argument you and Dormio are doing, Conq, and it's totally not something I've done with Dormio-Town in the past, but Dormio is the only wagon at 4 votes thanks to his helper and everyone else is spread like a bucket of lazy? With 8 hours left, there should be something by now if he's scum. (unless I'm his partner and slept through him getting wagoned of course, oh my!) I see DABC creeping in seeing if he can sneak a vote on Dormio and leave, let's get some actual competition going here.

##Vote: Darkninjaabc


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Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #183 on: January 13, 2014, 03:06:02 AM »
No, he told me (again?) to stop lying after my actual not-messed-up post
Oh, I missed that. Well, now I'm just confused. Will reread him again in a bit.

With 8 hours left, there should be something by now if he's scum.
I hate you. :V Dormio's also totally capable of wall wars as scum; I'm mostly waiting for his reaction now I guess.

I guess I'll have to go and actually read that game where darkninja was scum to see if I can get a better read on that slot if he's the other major candidate.

Also @mod, are we going to get a modkill/replacement for NNR or what?


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Shadoweh

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #184 on: January 13, 2014, 03:07:21 AM »
I'm sorry, I've learned through practice that hating Dormio very much doesn't make him scum :<


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Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #185 on: January 13, 2014, 03:24:47 AM »
Yeah sorry Shadoweh, I reread Darkninja and I just don't know what to think of him. :V

In the interest of shaking things up, I'm going to
##Unvote
##Vote: Sky_Paladin

based on this post
Cut by Serela. 

What is the ACTUAL REASON you are voting for me?

Please drop the not sure what you are doing act and stop lying.

If Dormio doesn't produce something satisfactory by the time I go to sleep I'm pushing for him over darkninja for making me join this game and then lurking it out while I suffer here. B)


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
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Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #186 on: January 13, 2014, 03:26:21 AM »
NNR is another possibility if he's not getting modkilled or whatever.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Serela

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #187 on: January 13, 2014, 04:34:03 AM »
7 hours to deadline...

I want to go to sleep but I won't be able to change my vote again afterwords >_>;
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Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #188 on: January 13, 2014, 04:41:34 AM »
Dormio (3): Fortress Populous, ActionDan, Cheez
Darkninjaabc (3): NNR; O4rfish, Shadoweh
NNR (2): SB, Zakeri
Sky_Paladin (2): Serela, Conq
Serela (1): CF7
Conq (1): Dormio
Cheez8 (1): Darkninjaabc
ActionDan (1): Sky_Paladin

approximate votecount

lol 7 needed to lynch and the deadline in the middle of american night.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
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BigBangMeteor

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #189 on: January 13, 2014, 04:44:36 AM »
Votecount of the Devastating DEATH TRAP

Dormio (3): Fortress Populous; ActionDan; Cheez8
Darkninjaabc (3): NNR; O4rfish; Shadoweh
Serela (1): CF7
Conq (1): Dormio
Cheez8 (1): Darkninjaabc
NNR (2): SB, Zakeri
Sky_Paladin (2): Serela; Conq
ActionDan (1): Sky_Paladin

Not Voting (0): No-one ^_^

Deadline is here:
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140113T1130&p0=136&msg=End+of+Day+1&csz=1

6 hours 45 mins remaining, approximately. There is a possibility that neither I nor Raikaria will be here for deadline. If hammer/deadline occurs, shut up even if neither of us are here to say it.

Serela

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #190 on: January 13, 2014, 04:48:35 AM »
yeah this is p.great >_>;
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Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #191 on: January 13, 2014, 04:50:22 AM »
Hey Dormio, I'm waiting.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #192 on: January 13, 2014, 05:17:50 AM »
I am not posting long walls of stuff because I am not quoting and is using a phone.

While that excuse may be lame its most certainly true, if you would still opt to outright ignore me then please.

The thing is I dont really parse what's exactly wrong with me, I am pointing fingers at Shadow and Oarfish here specifically, for if anything they lurked relatively more, if not similar hard as I do, while I actually attempted to ''sneak in'' (as Shadow would like to put it in all his biased glory) some content. He just dumped a copy of oarfish's lazy case and went bam, I do not understand how those two, who are also coincendentally on my wagon, has exactly the same carbon copied cases fail to have fingers pointed at them.

cheez has been disappearing forever already, I do not understand.

Serela is null, I really don't see a reason to wagon him.

Folks, let's face the fact, we can either consume our one-shot no-lynch, elsewise its only really possible to coordinate a quickwagon on either me or dormio. I am most certainly town, and the only reason for my lynch is that my ragepost is insulting, which is an ad hominim attack used by shadow/oar that doesn't really come to the conclusion ''he's scummy''. If anything, their current case on me is but saying ''Well he's a bad player let's policy him''.

But there's dormio guys, we have actual edvidence that he's scum.

Firstly, look at his post record, he has been lurking for the majority of mid-D1, and only confronted directly with conq when he was genuinely threatened by votes. Moreover, he even turned his lurking and short posts against conq himself by stating that ''his posts are filled with useless fluff'', seemingly justifying him not saying much minus his quote walls in reality with minimal effort while giving a town impression.

Secondly, look at his content, as I have mentioned in my first point, dormio is but defensively poking at everything conq did, which is hilarious in hindsight because that's exactly what dormio accused conq for doing in the first place (slightly jabbing each player)to ''rack up towncred''. Dormio himself did never go to justify his lack of effort nor explain for the sake of us. But instead, he unreasonably fit in whatever that could fit and tossed them at conq. He is but deviously distracting us from the status quo, instead of helping us clarify what actually happened in his own damn mind.

Thirdly, let's check dormio's position, he's hated, sure, but there's little suspicion aside from that being leaded by conq and presently me also. In my second point I stated dormio was attacking conq and distracting us from deciding on a wagon instead of helping us see the status quo, but that, at his time of posting, was entirely uncessary and a waste of time. This quote war is obviously attention-demanding and dormio completely took advantage of that to flail with conq against eachother so that his scumbuddies can drive a turbolynch on me when day closes, exactly what's happening now guys.

Scumteam is oarfish/shadoweh/dormio

We can lynch dormio, so do it, please.

##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio
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Serela

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #193 on: January 13, 2014, 05:21:15 AM »
calling scumteams in a not-mostly-kidding kind of matter in d1 is pretty silly

I'm too tired to think properly at this point, though, in any case >_> Debating which wagon I should shift onto because of impending deadline.
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DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #194 on: January 13, 2014, 05:25:18 AM »
Oh, and clarifications on my third point because I never proofread it. :V

Thrid point means dormio is threatened, but its nowhere near enough to justify flailing at conq just to shift attention and to convince everyone him should be lynched instead at that point. What he could have done with that time was actually to cooperate with conq and clarify to us he's town, and tell us his views on the big picture, et cetera. What he should have done as an experienced player and what he actually did then are diverging and unhelpful as town. Dormio knows full well the value of time and always enjoys advocating for town quicklynches and turbowagons. (Dude justice juice mafia scum qt hammer wall). And that's precisely what he's doing right now, wasting our time, hence it follows that the action is deliberate and therefore scummy.

Even worse, Dormio himself acknowledged the term ''quote wars'' and gladly accepted conq's challange, this shows that he's actually AWARE of what he did, he's AWARE of how time-consuming a quote wars imply and he's willingly doing it.

Good enough, people?
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DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #195 on: January 13, 2014, 05:31:50 AM »
And I apologize to cheez, I have been too concentrated on the quote wars and neglected to acknowledge your little blurb displaying your suspicion to conq, but still with your vote on dormio without any apparant reason given to how did you otherwise come to the conclusion dormio is scum without trusting conq's words, or something like that. I feel its hard to conclude a stance from your blurb because most of it is just you waffling on either side of the argument without your own thoughts, and vaguely stating you are ''okay with where this direction is heading''.

This confuses me to no end however, for now that I put it in words I realized the likeliness that if cheez is scum from such, then dormio must be town. Then what leaves conq? Conq is town or scum? Please give me a moment to read this through.

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DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #196 on: January 13, 2014, 05:34:19 AM »
And I am still absolutely okay with lynching oarfish, serela, nnr, shadoweh or dan so saying. They lurking means that they are never going to be a big loss to us. In fact, if anything their deaths are but going to tell us more than they will compared to when they are alive.

I am advocating the lynch on dormio because I feel that its the only possible option for a lynch given the tight deadline and the existing wagons. Moreover, it is undeniable that the quote wars did much to convince me dormio is scum. Can you alive guys posts something real quick so we can like coordinate something? I am leaving in ten minutes.
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Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #197 on: January 13, 2014, 05:37:37 AM »
Dormio should claim.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #198 on: January 13, 2014, 05:39:34 AM »
Darkninja, what do you think about Sky?


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

DNAbc

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  • but I don't exactly hate that
Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #199 on: January 13, 2014, 05:39:40 AM »
If I am dormio I would play dumb and completely ignore you while going offline and cross my fingers for the best.
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ActionDan

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #200 on: January 13, 2014, 05:40:00 AM »
##unvote
##Vote Sky Paladin
##proxy vote to conq

that may or may not work.

I'll stay up for a few hours or so

Don't lynch me.

DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #201 on: January 13, 2014, 05:40:22 AM »
And I never truly read sky, he's null, but obviously he's never going to be a lynch candidate now so what's the point?
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DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #202 on: January 13, 2014, 05:46:42 AM »
Conq are you still hanging in there

and dan please say something more


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Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #203 on: January 13, 2014, 05:49:58 AM »
I will be here for a few more hours before I go to sleep.

The longer I wait without Dormio coming in to post, the more I think he's stalling, but he could just be busy, so I don't know. I'm waiting for a claim to help my decision, but it's getting to the point where it might be too little too late barring something very useful or confirmable.

I would rather lynch Dormio over darkninja at this stage.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Cheez8

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #204 on: January 13, 2014, 05:50:34 AM »
cheez has been disappearing forever already, I do not understand.
D1s are still hard for me and they're harder still when looking at a computer screen for too long makes the back of my eyes hurt. Also I decided I should probably come to a conclusion on the Conq-Dormio debate before interrupting the Conq-Dormio debate, because otherwise I'd just be my usual waffley self and it wouldn't help anything.

Anyway yeah it's nice to see Dormio getting the votes he probably needs. He's the strongest scumread I have so far (okay, the only scumread, but I'm somewhat comfortable sticking with him) and I can't say the same about any of the other possible lynches. Everything Darkie has said so far just registers null for me, and the things NNR and Paladin have said just leave me waffling between "maybe slightly scummy" and null.

Cut by Darkie-
And I apologize to cheez, I have been too concentrated on the quote wars and neglected to acknowledge your little blurb displaying your suspicion to conq,
Hooray!
but still with your vote on dormio without any apparant reason given to how did you otherwise come to the conclusion dormio is scum without trusting conq's words, or something like that.
um
Okay, I admit it started as kind of a gut read that I didn't think too much of as I read Dormio's few posts earlier in the day, but by the end of the big debate with Conq, I realized Dormio failed to justify anything he did and it basically assured me that my gut was right. I do actually trust Conq, or at least his logic, but I'm trying to take what he says with a grain of salt just in case.

Cut a bunch more. Dang it, Dan, you are being less helpful than NNR right now. Please say something.
Someday, I'll have a clue what I'm doing.

Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #205 on: January 13, 2014, 05:51:15 AM »
And yes Dan, it would be nice for you to give some input in this because there are too few people talking and I could use another voice.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

DNAbc

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  • but I don't exactly hate that
Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #206 on: January 13, 2014, 05:53:05 AM »
Cheez, why do you specifically ignore the part where I nailed your blurb contains much waffling but little stance.
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DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #207 on: January 13, 2014, 05:54:30 AM »
Off now bb later in 2 hours.
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ActionDan

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #208 on: January 13, 2014, 05:56:44 AM »
you have my vote conq.   Your own voice counts for 2 people

Don't lynch me.

ActionDan

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #209 on: January 13, 2014, 06:01:28 AM »
did I ever mention that Oarfish was practically confirmed town since his first post?

Don't lynch me.