Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)

[Bardiche]

##Unvote
might not be a good idea to have him at L-1 when he's not around though if somebody wants to put him back i wouldn't complain

Huh What setting up for another lyncher win I see.

[Shadoweh]

I was #1 pesterer, though, in my quest to find things out. It's kind of my fault still.

Well, the best you can do is keep this bloodily earned information in mind while continuing onto the future. We're all kind of used to shenanigans, a little, other then Bard who still has seizures.

I was going to unvote but huh what beat me to it >.>

[Bardiche]

other then Bard who still has seizures.

Who's antagonising who now. Pls. Ure faze. Shut it.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Votecount

I have no name(3): BigBangMeteor, Shadoweh, Validon98
Shadoweh(1): Bardiche
Not voting(5): Affinity, I have no name, BT, Raikaria, huh what
With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

You have ~46 hours remaining in the day.

[Shadoweh]

I-I meant from how you don't like bastard roles ;-; I'm not trying to insult you!

[Bardiche]

I still would appreciate you avoid talking about me in any way other than reasons why I should or should not be lynched. I am not friendly this game. I am rather rage.

[Bardiche]

Also: Vali, don't feel bad about Serela's death. Serela done goofed in the first place and honestly, he had to goof sometime. He was playing too good, it wouldn't be Serela if he didn't make some kind of stupid mistake.

[Shadoweh]

Rereading Serela, ie why the heck would you target him to shutup, the main thing that stands out is the long argument he had with Raikaria on a similar note to the one I had about how Affinity isn't scummy for wanting people to target other wagons. I think Raikaria is still getting alot of credit for words that don't mean anything and equate into 'lynch Shadoweh because she's not talking to us!' followed later by 'Shadoweh and hw are weird so let's lynch Shadoweh anyways' He's just trying to take advantage of the confusion to throw out his bogus cases.

Then again the entirety of Zakeri's addition to the thread is that Raikaria is town because Affinity is scum trying to lynch him. It is pretty much an Affinity hate letter. So hmm.

[Shadoweh]

I wonder how crazy it would be for them to be scumbuddies and for people to be trying to lynch Affinity because of his partner's awesome bussing case. IRONIC but probably not true.

[Affinity]

Validon why do you seem to be agreeing with everything that comes your way?  You do have opinions, but they mean nothing if they change every time someone else posts a case.

Let me do this for awhile tentatively.  Will provide reasoning later.

##Vote: Bardiche

[Raikaria]

Rereading Serela, ie why the heck would you target him to shutup, the main thing that stands out is the long argument he had with Raikaria on a similar note to the one I had about how Affinity isn't scummy for wanting people to target other wagons. I think Raikaria is still getting alot of credit for words that don't mean anything and equate into 'lynch Shadoweh because she's not talking to us!' followed later by 'Shadoweh and hw are weird so let's lynch Shadoweh anyways' He's just trying to take advantage of the confusion to throw out his bogus cases.

Then again the entirety of Zakeri's addition to the thread is that Raikaria is town because Affinity is scum trying to lynch him. It is pretty much an Affinity hate letter. So hmm.

Yes, I've not done a lot D2, because honestly not that much has happened for me to comment on.

Still dislike Affinity [Oh, and by the way you're ignoring my contribution to the thread D1 Shadoweh]. Don't like the Bard votes. Also dislike the IHNN wagon. Votes have been reset, can we at least see if he actually does something not complete derp with his vote this before we lynch him <_<

In fact... we're lynching IHNN... partially because he won't move his vote from someone who claimed 3rd party? [That and his case was bad but then HW claimed 3rd afterwards]. Last time I checked town is supposed to lynch those who are not town. Seems weird, the IHNN wagon.

It's that awkward point in the game where I don't agree with any of the wagons.

Also damnit Serela. And Validion. And me I guess.

Shadoweh, I was lynching you because:
1: Evasion of important questions like Bard's in D1 is incredibly scummy.
2: Huh What is playing to his wincon. He has to be. If his apparent suicide into you is his wincon, well... can't let that happen. Generally a 3rd win means town loses. Generally. As I said before, I'd be lynching Huh What, but I fear a potential Jester.
3: Going super-happy acting like you're confirmed based on the words of a self-proclaimed 3rd party means nothing.

At this point, I'm kinda torn.

Gut survival instinct for town says to lynch Huh What or Shadoweh because otherwise the game might end

Brain says to lynch Affinity because he feels like the scums.

Gut... or brain... gut... or brain...

##Vote: Huh What

Why are we letting a proclaimed 3rd party live? Besides, thinking about it, Jester would be unlikely. 'May' be elements that can be considered bastard. Not 'Are outright bastard elements', like Jesters are.

[Shadoweh]

The game isn't going to end.

Still dislike Affinity [Oh, and by the way you're ignoring my contribution to the thread D1 Shadoweh]. Don't like the Bard votes. Also dislike the IHNN wagon. Votes have been reset, can we at least see if he actually does something not complete derp with his vote this before we lynch him <_<

Your Day 1 content is the thing that made me rant Day 1 about how terribly unfair you were being to Affinity right? I don't think discounting is the word you want for how I'm considering it while not liking you.

In fact... we're lynching IHNN... partially because he won't move his vote from someone who claimed 3rd party? [That and his case was bad but then HW claimed 3rd afterwards]. Last time I checked town is supposed to lynch those who are not town. Seems weird, the IHNN wagon.

More because he's prioritizing lynching the third party over scum because omg thirds etc. I think. huh what equated it to Neko's behavior in DEFCON Mafia, and in general mafia would really like to push third party lynches based on paranoia. I'm sure you can guess where this is going regarding your own vote. Huh what wants to win by targetting Kotarou (me) tonight and winning za gaem. The chances of a role that can win Night 1 ending the game is astronomically bad, and why the fuck people who aren't Validon are running with it is beyond me. (I wouldn't be surprised to see a role like that on Epic Mafia, but here dick roles that end the game would get the mod lynched..) Your behaviour in general has been less about finding scum and more about PARANOIA and ROLE SHENANIGANS and GOTTA GET THAT WEIRD SHADOWEH AND HER LITTLE DOG HUH WHAT TOO. Seriously you are not endearing yourself.

Also maybe I'm pushing the confirmed town thing despite how I agree with Bard's objection because I don't think I'm going to be alive tomorrow? I guess it would be pretty awkward if huh what didn't murder me. A third party that has to protect a mafia member wouldn't be that weird to be honest. Otheer then being the protagonist though I'm not really special enough to protect so it's probably a balance for the mafia having a second kill in the form of a post restriction or something

Gut survival instinct for town says to lynch Huh What or Shadoweh because otherwise the game might end

Seriously what part of your brain over these games have thought that this is possible

[Validon98]

Validon why do you seem to be agreeing with everything that comes your way?  You do have opinions, but they mean nothing if they change every time someone else posts a case.

...I don't know. It's probably because if you actually read my post where I gave my opinions on everyone, I'm reading a lot of different people as pretty much null or leaning to one side or the other and I have no idea who to vote for because there's too many potential candidates. The worst part is that if I so much as attempt to vote for anyone, this sort of thing happens where they give their defense and it seems reasonable. That's why I took my vote off of you. Too many people are acting in a way that makes me think they are scum that I can't even figure out who to vote for. In other words, whereas before I was confused because I wasn't sure what was going on, now I'm confused because there's TOO much going on and I can't find a firm place to put my vote without it being suddenly rendered null by someone's defense. So I'm more or less a worse version of D1 Rai at this point and I don't know what to do about it.

[Validon98]

Also, I'm not running with the "itp will end game if he wins hurr durr" thing anymore, and once again my name is once again a synonym for being a newbie. Again, quit it. It's annoying.

[Shadoweh]

(him thinking there are only two mafia combined with his role is part of why I think he'll kill me actually, if he just captain planeted out it wouldn't be so bad..)

This is a hard game to be honest. There aren't alot of people being obviously scummy. That's why I was willing to do poe yesterday and why I'm still fairly willing to do it today. Bard's rage is honestly too.. I don't know how to say it, authentic isn't the word because he can rage as scum, more like he's angry at things that as scum he should already know aren't true? BBM is just not being far too open compared to his well reasoned and good sounding posts from last game, he very much doesn't care what he sounds like. Huh what isn't mafia so yay. Validon is authenticly trying to figure things out and just is so town it hurts. Doesn't leave alot of options, yeah? I personally think Affinity doesn't sound like his scum self (Affinitown sounds a little depressed too in a different way.) So yes.

[Shadoweh]

I will have to look back but I was under the impression you were the one who brought up the idea of huh what ending the game actually.

[Validon98]

I asked if it was possible. I didn't think it was, but it didn't hurt to check. I just wanted to make sure.

[Shadoweh]

That's not a bad thing. I am going out of my way not to call you a newbie, but not being familiar with what the limits of bastardry are here is part of why your question is fine while other people running with it isn't. It's not an insult to you, it's a statement of fact.

[Shadoweh]

(Also newbie isn't really a derogatory remark, I was way better at mafia before I know what I was doing)

[Shadoweh]

I guess I should actually read BT's posts so I can give a more reasonable opinion then 'is town because' since most people will assume the because is him saying nice things about me <_< Which is probably half-true because he's sensical and understands me like no one else. Honestly his entire big post here is making the scumhunting arguments that most of this game is lacking. I think considering lynching him would be a tragedy. I'd like to hear what he thinks of Raikaria vs IHNN right now considering their arguments right now are very similar.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Votecount

I have no name(2): BigBangMeteor, Validon98
Bardiche(1): Affinity,
Shadoweh(1): Bardiche
huh what(1): Raikaria
Not voting(5): I have no name, BT, huh what
With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

You have ~34 hours remaining in the day.

[Shadoweh]

>_>
I'm not going to stop talking you know.

[Affinity]

In general I don't like Bardiche's opinions post for handwaving IHNN.  He can agree with reasons against almost everyone suspectable except IHNN, but can't wrap around his head that IHNN has been voting huhwhat for many low-quality reasons, most of which don't make sense?  Or that IHNN's reporter post has a variety of townreads, two suspensions of judgement (regarding me and Shadoweh), and one scumread in BBM because he doesn't like his vote + other reasons already stated. 

Yeah it's possible to find this okay, but surely it takes more than what Bard has offered here.  This blindspot is... really scummy, since he has been considering pretty much everyone else much more fairly.

[Affinity]

@IHNN: In this post, you said that you didn't like BBM's vote on you.  Serela was also voting you, but for the sole reason of sheeping HW's case on you.  Why did you ignore this and say that he was town anyway.  I've a feeling you did this because the BBM wagon had more votes on it and thus felt more comfortable for you as scum.

@Validon: That sounds honest and sincere enough.  You're going to have to be more than that in Mafia though.

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I've also avoided talking about Ralkaria today because I feel so exasperated towards him.  Personally I think he's using his obstinacy as a smokescreen; his ghetto huhwhat and Shadoweh vote (following simplistic mafia maxims without considering what has been said so far) pretenses at having an opinion.  I notice that the inquisitive questions he asked yesterday regarding play (e.g BT, etc.) has been replaced by those regarding Shadoweh's role and related shens.  His simplistic dissing of the IHNN wagon does not bode well with me either compared to the wide range of opinions he had D1.  I do not find this transition genuine or townie-looking in general.

[Raikaria]

I am not 'totally writing off' IHNN. I'm saying jumping on IHNN before he's even re-voted after the vote reset is acting too rashly. I did say his case on Huh What is bad, as was his reaction to the critisim of the vote, but that may just be him thinking his reasons are good. Last I checked we don't vote people for having one bad case. Otherwise we'd have lynched Affinity AND me by now, and probobly a couple of other people too.

Let's see what IHNN does with his vote and where he stands now, before we string him up, or not. If he continues to be as bad as he was ED2, well, my actions would depend on other events and how bad he was, but he'd probobly be my D3 target. [Maybe D2 if there is no way we're stopping Huh What, and IHNN is worse than Affinity in my eyes]

Again, we cannot trust what Shadoweh/Huh What say in relation to this 3rd party thing, as Huh What is playing to this win condition. It doesn't matter what they say in regards to it. We. Cannot. Trust. Them. Huh What is playing to his wincon. Not town's. Why on earth town would want to go along with it is completely beyond me.

[Shadoweh]

Because-I-Trust-That-Huh-What-Is-Telling-The-Truth-BEEP because HE IS SUCH A TRUSTWORTHY GUY. As for trusting me, if I were scum I would want him lynched as much as everyone else does. WHY WOULD I AS SCUM WANT TO KEEP A THIRD PARTY WHO WANTS TO TARGET ME AND MAYBE DO NOTHING MAYBE MURDER ME ALIVE YOU TWIT

[I have no name]

I looked at all of IHNN's evidence against you and I agree on every single case.

His opinions on HW were valid at first but due to HW being revealed as ITP, I don't agree with them much anymore

The reason being that yeah, your arguments on HW weren't exactly valid

So, I'm scum for voting someone I thought was scum before they claimed ITP because they claimed ITP later thus making my logic invalid despite it having been valid with the information available at the time, assuming I'm reading your post correctly.  If you're fine with my content outside of the thing on HW which was perfectly fine for the knowledge of the time, why did you vote me?

8) Validon98: Super Ultra NewbTown 9001.42, would not lynch.  Ever.

Seriously rethinking this, i didn't realize Validon was agreeing with everything that came his way.  It looks more like this now:

8) Validon98: Super Ultra NewbTown 9001.42, would not lynch. Ever. Probably.

@IHNN: In this post, you said that you didn't like BBM's vote on you.  Serela was also voting you, but for the sole reason of sheeping HW's case on you.  Why did you ignore this and say that he was town anyway.  I've a feeling you did this because the BBM wagon had more votes on it and thus felt more comfortable for you as scum.

The difference is that I liked Serela's D1 but not BBM's.  1 bad vote doesn't make someone scum.

Bleh, this is such an off game for me.

HW saying BBM is town for pushing bad logic is...I don't know.  I mean, bad logic isn't scummy in itself but at the same time it's not a towntell.

BWHY WOULD I AS SCUM WANT TO KEEP A THIRD PARTY WHO WANTS TO TARGET ME AND MAYBE DO NOTHING MAYBE MURDER ME ALIVE YOU TWIT

Because we both know for balance reasons  that a suiciding-on-someone ITP wouldn't kill the target if it was scum but if it was just another townie then that reason would no longer exist.  So the way I see it you're either scum who won't die, town who will or town who won't.  So...I could argue that the fact that you're going along with it is scummy because as scum you would have nothing to fear.
I want to but my vote back on BBM but huh what's defense has made him an unpopular target...but screw it ##Vote: BBM for the same reason as before and that bad logic as a towntell is nothing but WIFOM.

since it's easy though i'm gonna say that i don't think he would've even come up with the "what if HW killed zak??" argument as scum though, because he'd know the truth and it'd be a waste of time to bring up. in context it reads like honest paranoid town speculation. same thing with him defending shadoweh on flavor, he'd be pushing a shitty point nobody agrees with to make a townie harder to lynch

Waste of time to bring up=bad play=townie!
Paranoid speculation=townie!
Bad logic (flavor defense)=townie!  Also defending a townie liable to flip for towncred is a thing.  I don't trust this defense.  At all.

But there's no real reason for him to lie unless it benefits him.

Just going to point this out, since it is a good point regardless: HW did not start voting me until after I expressed suspicion of him.  HW is more than skilled enough to make anyone look like scum.  He needs to survive to win and me making a case on him, at all, goes against that.  I'm not saying his entire vote on me is a huge disguised OMGUS, but it could very well have been part of his initial reasoning for voting me.
Oh and that defense I mentioned 2 paragraphs up?  Could be made up similarly for anyone in the game right now.  It was used to make me look bad, i.e. furthering his survival.

[I have no name]

EBWOP: BBM has improved but not enough to make me want to vote someone else at the moment.

[Shadoweh]

You should probably make a case on Raikaria or Affinity one way or the other, unless you really thinkg BBM is going to pick up again. I would be highly against it.

[I have no name]

More than half the day is left, it's not impossible for it to happen.