Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)

[Affinity]

whatever limit he has should be more than enough to justify votes I think.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

one last thing

I can't reconcile this as Townie behaviour at all.

it strikes me as weird when bard says this about shadoweh of all people since he's played with her in previous games where she was similarly useless. i mean yeah, her play isn't very pro-town, but do you really think it's impossible for town!shadoweh to be playing like this?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

i mean bard said what was basically the exact same thing about kay's behavior d1 which makes his conviction here kind of silly. i could probably make a case he's going after play that's hard to defend as pro-town rather than looking for scum intent

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Votecount

Affinity(4): huh what, BigBangMeteor, Serela, Validon98
huh what(1) I have no name
Bardiche(1): Shadoweh
Shadoweh(1): Bardiche
BigBangMeteor(1): Affinity
Not voting(2): BT, Raikaria
With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to lynch.

You have ~69 hours remaining in the day.

[BT]

Hopefully I catch huhwhat before he goes poof (haha no way) but I'm still at page 14:

like i said i'll try and make a real post tomorrow just so that town has some incentive not to policy lynch me (besides that it'd be pro-scum if they did but you know that's not gonna stop bard from pushing it), but today isn't really the best time so uh

well i'm not "confirmed" but if you look back at my d1 it's pretty obvious i was posting from the perspective of a third party; i was pushing 2 scum because 3 mafia + itp + voteblock is really, really unfair for town

You should decide if your role is pro-town or pro-scum before bullshitting.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

im still awake just not playing mafia but. even if a neutral is harmless it's a vote that isn't helping town, and when it can be removed from the game it's dicking with the numbers to make things more convenient for scum

[BT]

Mm okay. That was half a reaction test I guess because seriously. =.=

Onto post:

warning: incoming long post, my words are golden, read them all (not really but there are still a few things in there - hopefully i'm not a big serela here though)

I was not expecting this NK at all.

Yo, IHNN, you're thinking huhwhat is scum for a lot of things he does normally, though I can agree with the fact that he should make clear exactly who he finds scummy and why in a period of time. He's causing a lot of :chaos: regardless of his alignment and I don't think it's a good influence. Still it's super cute that you think he claimed lyncher seriously - though if you're town (and I think so) it's an example of why huhwhat should stop.

And then huhwhat claims non-town anyway. Well that solves everything.

About that read - I think he's coming off pretty strong and that's an accurate tell for IHNN. Or I'm rusty, but, well, screw that. I do find his focus on huhwhat solely kind of irksome especially given the True Weight of the case which is why I want to see him solidify some other reads.

~this is where that bit wrt huhwhat's quotes would have went had i not rushed it out the window~

Not a fan of Bard's push on Shadoweh, for currently unexplainable reasons. Not even because it's Shadoweh, just really bad gut. I'll probably return to that someday. --or now

EDIT Huh whatty that's because I'm not but trust me if I was a vigilante I'd shoot you so hard for being an ITP.

No you wouldn't, in fact your posts seem like you really don't care and I'm not sure why you trust his claim on face value so clearly when this is huhwhat we're talking about and he's been blurting all sorts of things all game.

How do you even reconcile huhwhat's claim and Shadoweh being scum at the same time? "She's so scummy" isn't an excuse for blindness.

Remind me, who do you think is scum? Surely you had some thoughts coming into D1 before you jumped on Shadoweh's (completely natural from town, but you're probably disagreeing in limeline) voteblock test.

I really don't get the Zak NK because I didn't think he was town at all and was actually planning on making a case on him today.

I'm in glorious agreement. That's a good sign.

I agree with the rest of that post (and townreading it) except for the bit about Raikaria. I found his insistence on CONSISTENTLY BAD ARGUMENTS scummy especially since even his bad town games have hints of good Townie Arguments(tm) here and there. ALL of his game so far has been bad scumhunting. I'm giving him today to convince me otherwise and that's it.

Those of you who happen to be sharp knives will recognize the similarity between IHNN and Rai. Yep. I'm wavering on IHNN too and I'm unsure on both. Go BT's Town Game

I'm arguing that prioritising trying to lose your vote is anti-town, as votes are townie. Besides, what did you do Day 1 without vote? Did you try to push wagons on people you thought were scum? You don't NEED a vote to do shit, but it's tremendously helpful for townies to try and NOT LOSE THEIR VOTE so we have more votes than scum.

If the vote worked as Shadoweh suspected someone would have lost it eventually anyway unless the whole game wanted to avoid targeting Serela intentionally.

A lot of your arguments here just seem like you're not thinking hard about them. I agreed with Shadoweh's short reply and am disliking you as a whole right now, if that's proof of some sort.

bbm if i was an assassin then you'd have died last night. i had a meta towntell on nnr and nobody else seemed to suspect zak so i don't think it's weird he bit it, especially if affinity is scum (look at where zak's vote was at the end of the day)

I suspected him.

I suspect some Avoidance of Powerroles has transpired here.

i'm actually not sure what would happen if shadoweh died on the same night i targeted her

Of course you wouldn't tell us what the actions does to Shadoweh.

ugh I don't want to reeeeeeeeeeeead.  I said such nice things about Affinity though. Granted they were based on Raikaria being awful, but that was before the lynch. I haven't reread Affinity and I don't have time to right now >_> I liked IHNN's entrance. I'm sorry I'm a terrible buddy.

So I was considering linking some of Shadoweh's posts that read Super Duper Town to me before but went against it for lack of Actually Being a Tell but fuck all. This doesn't seem fake. A LOT of her posts read this way. I don't think this would have been quite like this if faked. I felt the same way wrt her reply to Affinity's push on Raikaria. This is also twice in one post that Shadoweh's initial response to things mirror mine, not to mention the Bard fiasco. (ftr I don't AGREE on those two points now but those were my initial reactions which warrants Town Points wrt townhunting)

##Unvote ##Vote Affinity

Poor QB ;-;

though actually ihnn pushing me as potential scum even after the itp claim is really ugh

It wasn't obvious to me until you pointed it out so maybe it's the same for him, especially if he made a big case beforehand.

Because Huh What said targeting her would make him kill himself, not her.

He also said she is CONFIRMED TOWN to him.

Are you serious.

Is this really Reading Comprehension Failure 101 going on here.

And then #446 makes sense from Town!Bard. This is hard for me. Oh no nevermind the following Shadoweh post makes even more sense. <3

Affinity's BBM vote makes me frown.

I'm honestly more inclined to believe Rai is scom over IHNN just because people seemed to have forgotten about him miraculously. He seemed like a popular backup option yesterday yet that position seemed to have shifted to IHNN.

##Vote Bard

I do need to read Affinity.

ftr I did townread Bard yesterday but that's because of the Shaman case that ended up being on town and I don't remember anything else monumental (I even gutted him as weird at first).

[BT]

I'm not even satisfied with my scum reads at all this game. It could be that Bard just had an awful D2 start as town but it's still concerning that he's content with blindly pushing Shadoweh off clips and only then checking the facts (if at all).

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

if you think i'd make that hammer as town

[Raikaria]

I don't even get why my Rai case is bad

1: You were literally only voting me for having a 'jumpy' vote in D1. Early/Mid Day 1 at that. Where between every time I moved my vote, the amount of content in the game kept changeing rather drastically. Voting someone for moving their vote around ED1 is not a valid reason.

2: You said you agreed with the reasons for SilentShaman's lynch, but rathered BBM. As a result, by voting me and giving up on the BBM lynch, you wee effectivly saying this vote-moving was more scummy than the reasons people saw Shaman as lynchworthy, and whatever your reasons for BBM were.

3:

You're trying way to hard with this.

The Switch to HW for the votepark is logical enough. The first switch to you is explained well enough as well. The only thing that becomes iffy is the switch to Shadoweh and then back to you, but that's only if you forget to consider that the switch to Shadoweh was for prodding/pressure. Raikaria's been trying desperately to get a certain piece of information out of her, and I don't think it's actually about getting that information rather than perceiving him as trying to withhold information from the town. When you think about it that way, switching back to you doesn't seem jumpy at all, it's just the fact that he's moving back to you and adding supplemented reasoning for doing so.

I'll address the BBM and Rai switch since most people seem to be angry about it.  No one seemed to be agreeing with my single BBM vote, and it was being pretty ineffectual and unviable.

U...h, wait a second.

Ralkaria should be playing solitaire and not mafia if he is to insist about me 'manipulating' BBM's vote so rabidly despite my words.  At least there you can be bound by your own logical perspectives without repercussions.  Please get it into your head that a target is viable regardless of the number of votes on him at the time.

1: Of course you'd claim otherwise <_<
2: It's not my only reason to have voted you. Your hypocritical, illogical, hardly-reasoned vote on me which everyone else was calling you out on is also a reason. Not the main reason.
3: Oh, so suddenly BBM wasn't a viable wagon?
4: Please get it into your head that generally if people want someone lynched, they'll either say they are happy to lynch them or vote them, so therefor, number of votes and 'viability' of a lynch go hand in hand. There is certainly a correlation. To say your statement in that post wouldn't have made BBM particularly think of the Shaman wagon above all others is outright wrong. If you wanted there to not be misunderstandings, you should have said particular names.

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I also agree with the points on Shadoweh in general, but also throw in her question-evasion D1.

Also that question from Bardiche to Shadoweh D1 about the voteblock is more important now Shadoweh has a vote.

As such, I'm not going to put Affinity at L-1 right now. Far, far too early in the day, and I want to see if Shadoweh feels like talking today:

##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh

[BT]

I'm calling this an off game already.

I WOULD usually try to differentiate between scatterbrain town and troll scum when it comes to reading you. And reach conclusion: anti-town.

I don't know. I don't even have that much motivation to read into things considering the 1001 other things I need to do right now.

Cut.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

im reading everybody but bard and ihnn as town right now. coincidentally im also reading bard and ihnn as scum. makes u think

[BT]

What points for lynching Shadoweh do you agree with exactly? And she's talked plenty. Convince me that vote isn't super lazy.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

##Unvote
##Vote: Bardiche
#481 - #482 is a thing

affinity's reaction to the flash wagon was ok with me. the cool thing about being claimed itp is that you don't have to justify your gut opinions

i still really don't think raikaria is scum. he's silly but reads like he's acting independently of a scumteam

[BT]

How would you even expect to make Shadoweh talk with a vote like that?

Goddamn cuts. All of these are to Rai if it isn't obvious for future reference.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

bt, the line about ihnn refers specifically to the post he made saying "I'm not gonna buy anything you claim because I think your play is scummy". it's overblown fake conviction and easy stance for scum to take because he doesn't have to fake further scumhunting, even though the Facts strongly point to me being ITP rather than mafia to the point that unless you're a newbie like Validon or really paranoid it's illogical to assume I'm scum faking. there would be no motivation for scum!hw to claim itp at the start of the day.

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i also don't think the rest of the aggressiveness really means anything other than "ihnn is trying to play differently than usual" since he sounds indecisive regardless of alignment most of the time

[Raikaria]

I'm calling this an off game already.

I WOULD usually try to differentiate between scatterbrain town and troll scum when it comes to reading you. And reach conclusion: anti-town.

I don't know. I don't even have that much motivation to read into things considering the 1001 other things I need to do right now.

Cut.

If you think I'm anti-town vote me.

What points for lynching Shadoweh do you agree with exactly? And she's talked plenty. Convince me that vote isn't super lazy.

General D1 behavior.
Continued avoidance of Bardiche's D1 question, which is even more relevant now that no-one appears to be voteblocked. - This is actually really really huge

The vote is, again, an attempt to pressure Shadoweh into answering Bard's question about what she knows about the voteblock. The mere fact she hasn't come out and said 'nothing' means she probobly knows something about it. If Shadoweh is town, why isn't she telling town about the mechanics of this voteblock then, if she knows them?

The answer? She isn't town.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

raikaria you should vote bard or ihnn instead of confirmed town

[Raikaria]

raikaria you should vote bard or ihnn instead of confirmed town

How is Shadoweh confirmed town? I see no-one confirmed saying anything that cannot be a lie.

[Raikaria]

And even if she *is* confirmed, which she's not, she should spill the beans on the voteblock D1 that she knows of.

[BT]

If you think I'm anti-town vote me.

That was to huhwhat in response to me giving his shenanigans a clear the whole game.

The vote is, again, an attempt to pressure Shadoweh into answering Bard's question about what she knows about the voteblock. The mere fact she hasn't come out and said 'nothing' means she probobly knows something about it. If Shadoweh is town, why isn't she telling town about the mechanics of this voteblock then, if she knows them?

The answer? She isn't town.

The other answer: she's town and she has a reason.

huhwhat: and you say noname's insistence on you being scum is scummy - how about this?

[Raikaria]

The other answer: she's town and she has a reason.

Except why would it be in town's interests not to explain? Or at least to say you can't explain? If it's something like 'She dies if she explains' she can say something like 'I can't tell you.' instead of outright evading the question.

[Shadoweh]

I also agree with the points on Shadoweh in general, but also throw in her question-evasion D1.
Also that question from Bardiche to Shadoweh D1 about the voteblock is more important now Shadoweh has a vote.
As such, I'm not going to put Affinity at L-1 right now. Far, far too early in the day, and I want to see if Shadoweh feels like talking today:

Honey, I don't know if you noticed but I'm avoiding talking to you pretty hard. You know as much as I do about what's going on. I wouldn't put Affinity at L-1 though, because if the vote-taker is still in play, it would probably hammer him and I'm back to thinking he's legit, even if he won't give me town credit. :V

Rai is pretty unbelievable too, but at least he's consistent.

[Shadoweh]

'She dies if she explains'

Actually most roles like this include clauses that kill the person if they even hint at having something, like PX's role in We Don't Talk About NotV Mafia.

[Shadoweh]

##Unvote
##Vote: Bardiche
#481 - #482 is a thing

affinity's reaction to the flash wagon was ok with me. the cool thing about being claimed itp is that you don't have to justify your gut opinions
i still really don't think raikaria is scum. he's silly but reads like he's acting independently of a scumteam

Huh what when you come back just be honest with me, are you really voting Bard for hating or are you just kinda fuck whatever it could be true?

I was gonna reread but then I got high realized I like my vote JUST WHRE IT IS

[BT]

Actually most roles like this include clauses that kill the person if they even hint at having something, like PX's role in We Don't Talk About NotV Mafia.

Secret lovers from the NHK?

[Shadoweh]

Yeah, like that kind of role.
(It's more because it's 6am and zzz is so nice)

[Raikaria]

Honey, I don't know if you noticed but I'm avoiding talking to you pretty hard. You know as much as I do about what's going on.

THANK YOU.

That's seriously all you needed to say to get me off your back Shadoweh <_<. Even if it proves wrong later, then we can lynch you for it because Lynch All Liars.

And now we return to our main channel.

##Unvote
## Vote: Affinity

Reasons outlined in D1 and my first post of D2 and by like 3 other people.

[Validon98]

Honey, I don't know if you noticed but I'm avoiding talking to you pretty hard. You know as much as I do about what's going on.

So wait a minute, if you reveal a certain piece of information you die?
Remind me never to play another Dormio game again, thank you very much. I already suspect that every day a different random effect will happen. The first was a voteblock on Shadoweh, the second is this enforced silence on Serela. You can't fool me anymore, Dormio.
Enough of that, though. As far as things are going for reads, the only ones I'm definitely reading town on are Rai (seemingly random voting isn't necessarily scummy behavior IMHO) and BT (he hasn't given me any reason to suspect him). I don't have to argue about HW anymore because Shadoweh made a good point:

So you won't believe him when he says I'm confirmed town but you will believe him when he says he's going to harmlessly bounce off of me into fluffy clouds? How about the fact that he has to get me to admit my true role name when usually scum have a safe flavor claim? Hey Bard, earlier you thought I was eating my own vote, how does that mesh with me 'trying to lose my vote on Serela again' when I'd know that people were after me today? It obviously didn't get me any town cred, and the best way not to get lynched is to vote someone else, so you've changed from 'must be doing it to themselves' to 'TRIED TO LOSE THEIR VOTE AGAIN LYNCH HERE PLEASE'. u suk still

Said point and BT's Huge Post of Thinking Out Loud makes me suspicious of Bardiche, though. I'm not going to switch my vote because Affinity has yet to prove that he's not scum in my opinion, but I'll consider switching switching to Bard if Affinity proves himself enough. I don't know whether or not he's lying.