DEFCON Mafia (Night 2, DEFCON 2)

[BT]

I'm going offline now anyway.

Gut reaction to NNR's latest post is... town. I think it's the high horse part, but I'll let things sink in when I read tomorrow.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I don't get your reasoning here. Why's the Dan Over BT vote problematic? Wouldn't paranoia over being quicklynched by scum imply that he's town?

Well, I think that paranoia of being quicklynched is scummy because it's an overreaction that I think is caused by having the mindset of scum.

By basically telling IHNN he should be voting PX instead, though I don't think it's defending as much as it's, well, pointless. Wasn't IHNN's vote bad enough in general?

I think that was part of why I was doing that because I was legit curious about what differentiates low effort and no effort.
I mean I was kind of expecting an answer like Rawr has shown himself to be here while PX has the excuse of work or w/e but I didn't even get that.

Really?Seems to have been noted to me.

Dunno. I thought that statement seemed rather weak.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

bt: if nnr is scum who picked roleblocker for real then that's the same as scum "stealing" it

not really reading so no serious posts until i feel like doing that but nnr's recent post is something he'd post as scum and not town. i'm ok with being lynched if it means i can nuke him

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

until i feel like doing that

this isn't actually going to happen by the way

[BT]

Don't have much to say to those replies except "vote IHNN with me".

Off for reals.

cut- expand on that. I'd say "I know enough of NNR's meta" but clearly Disgaea says "fuck you" to that.
RE: reply... it isn't really the same because it would have been handed to scum, though if that's what you thought I guess that's some sort of thought process.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

it's just not how he'd word the post if he was town

do you guys think it would be considered an unfair/tactical sub out if i requested a replacement because i've just been :| about posting in this game since thursday

on the other hand that would mean i can't nuke scum!nnr if i get lynched

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

If you want a real reason NNR is scum, him switching from the Dan wagon to the person Dan is voting when Dan hasn't done anything NNR should find impressive is lol

really the dan vote was probably just to get people off his back since it was easy pickings

but other than that he's just not posting from a town mindset and I can tell. aside from in the post where he switched to dan most of his emotion is empty (look at the rage about being vanilla and tell me that's not blatantly fake) and he's probably just putting it in his posts to wifom people.......

##Vote: NNR

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

rawr I still think looks like he isn't actually trying to look for scum intent but his contribution are so sparse it's just kinda hard to get a feeling for it

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

also NNR talking to me like he believes I'm town only to turn around and say he thought I was null when pressed was seriously a scumtell, how does nobody else see this

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

btw IHNN's posts are Bad but it's not "scum made up a bunch of weak/waffly shit to get out of posting" bad. More like "Town doesn't have any thoughts" bad. I don't really want to lynch him, or seriously anybody other than NNR/rawr/me so I can shoot NNR/rawr tbh

Shadoweh trying to think Raikaria is scummy is a scumtell aaaand I'm out of legit contribution

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

oh and if BT was the one posting those quicktopic messages they wouldn't have periods at the end.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

posting about mafia makes me want to actually read the game

[BT]

Do it.

(Why am I still here?)

[NekoNekoRex]

Yeah I'm not moving my vote either. HW turning around all his reads just to backlash on me isn't doing him any favors.

[WHMZakeri]

I want people (or at least HW) to give a reaction to this post.

The main argument is that the lynch list is the doctor list. This of course presumes that the entire town as a whole is retarded enough to resort to things like having a list of more than half the players that we just lynch for no god damn reason.
It's called thinking about it. Try it.
Also, the real problem with HW's plan is that it included Eavesdropper as one of the roles a person would actually role. I should have just dropped the plan and taken the sub or something.

posting about mafia makes me want to actually read the game

Then do it.

If you want a real reason NNR is scum, him switching from the Dan wagon to the person Dan is voting when Dan hasn't done anything NNR should find impressive is lol

He didn't switch to the person Dan was voting for. He switched to the person PX was voting for. It just so happens that Dan was also voting for said person.
Of course, PX is still scum, and NNR is dumb for following along that line of reasoning, and also PX hasn't done anything in the game that even resembles scumhunting and is just forcing an opinion so he can lay down a lazyvote, and seriously, NNR, you can still redeam yourself if you help me start a wagon on PX, I don't think you're scum yet.

That was a tangent. In any case, HW's case on NNR doesn't work because it's forcing a perspective that doesn't actually have any real meaning. His reason for his vote has nothing to do with Dan's vote, so the comparison is just to make NNR look worse.

Yeah I'm not moving my vote either. HW turning around all his reads just to backlash on me isn't doing him any favors.

This is a town vs. town argument if I've ever seen one.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Yo. What's up. Sundays aren't really a good day for me.
Anyway, reading the stuff that happened.

[NekoNekoRex]

Why would I turn around and vote PX though, Zak? It feels lazy to vote a player who's only contributed once. Besides, I have plenty of stated original reasons to be voting HW anyway, including exactly what you said about him forcing a perspective.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

The latest exchange between HW and NNR doesn't really change my opinion at all so I'm not going to waste any more words on that.
But then again it's based mostly around Raikaria. But whatever.

Instead let's talk about other things that have happened.
I dunno, I find Zakeri and BT's words to be agreeable. But something about Zakeri rubs me in the wrong way. I dunno what it is. I'll read more and look into this later.

Still not liking IHNN.

I don't really know what to say right now. Oh well.
I mean I could second guess myself because I also think that there's something off with HW but that just leaves me utterly confused about NNR's actions in regards to Raikaria.

[WHMZakeri]

including exactly what you said about him forcing a perspective.

Well, you didn't really point it out on your own, but I suppose it is a reasonable reason to vote for someone.

Also, Saying PX has contributed once is an over-exaggeration. His content is only better than dan's by the fact that he didn't cause everyone to lose their mind for two days and going.

[Shadoweh]

If you want a real reason NNR is scum, him switching from the Dan wagon to the person Dan is voting when Dan hasn't done anything NNR should find impressive is lol
really the dan vote was probably just to get people off his back since it was easy pickings
but other than that he's just not posting from a town mindset and I can tell. aside from in the post where he switched to dan most of his emotion is empty (look at the rage about being vanilla and tell me that's not blatantly fake) and he's probably just putting it in his posts to wifom people.......
##Vote: NNR

Admittedly claiming vanilla in a game with no vanillas does seem like something only someone who didn't get a 'vanilla' PM would do. Also I can't be scum dipsmurf, who stole my role if I am? (I can prove I don't have it by throwing a nuke at you and killing us both in sweet nuclear oblivion so don't give me that IS ACTUALLY THE COP shit. Actually so can NNR so why would he lie about that?)

A blank vote after a post would imply that it is that post that I consider bad enough to warrant lynching, but apparently we're still at the 'it twitched weird maybe we can lynch it' stage.

I'm not getting off Dan unless something else happens.

Right now Dan is refusing to explain this mysterious scumread he has, which is anti-town, saying 'Hey guys you should totally vote this person because I found this scumread, but I won't tell you what it is' is stupidly anti-town and I am going to lynch him for it unless he changes his tone.

It doesn't matter if we don't agree with his scumread, as long as he actually gives an understandable reason and stops meeting the above, I can actually start considering voting someone else. As it stands Dan is by far the most anti-town person in this game, and usually giving off massively anti-town vibes... means you're not town.

This post is a miraculous waste of time. If Raikaria really wanted to know if Dan had discovered a scumslip, ie if he were actually hunting for scum instead of trying to ride the Dan wave, he would be LOOKING FOR THE GOD DAMN SLIP HIMSELF. Since he's literally doing nothing but posting about voting Dan and waiting for him to explain this scumslip, it's not like he has anything better to do.

On top of that, it is not that big of a deal. Not explaining your reads is NOT SCUMMY. Doing this is causing people to vote Dan in the first place and making a huge ruckus. This isn't a scum-motivated action. Instead it's taking a reason to coast and driving it into the ground, while when this mystical explanation actually happens, he already stated he intends to just hop off and consider someone else! No, how about we consider lynching YOU right now?

Zak: Don't start with me. I don't try to suspect people, I wear the tinfoil hat of EVERYONE IS SCUM.

[NekoNekoRex]

Well, you didn't really point it out on your own, but I suppose it is a reasonable reason to vote for someone.

Also, Saying PX has contributed once is an over-exaggeration. His content is only better than dan's by the fact that he didn't cause everyone to lose their mind for two days and going.

I'm starting to piece together stuff about him, my read yesterday was clouded by frustration and I'm feeling less obstinately angry about Mafia. Half his reads are rolespec, and his reads change too quick, as if he's thinking way too hard and putting things in a perspective he can agree with more easily, even if not honest, ie going from "dan is SK" to "dan is totally scum". It strikes me as scum trying to paint someone in a bad light to make them look more suspicious over time.

PX has only posted once since DEFCON 3. That's one contribution.

[NekoNekoRex]

What the hell does Raikaria have to do with Me vs HW, Dormio? I dropped Raikaria like, two realtime days ago.

[NekoNekoRex]

Obviously I meant vanilla in the context of the game, ie "None of the non-silo roles"

I can't believe I actually have to make a post about something that obvious.

[Shadoweh]

For the sake of maybe finding the answer to that, why did you drop Raikaria and why will you not pick up the spear of vengeance against him?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Because unlimited dayvig is obviously vanilla.
Again, Sunday is a bad day for me so I'll look at everything properly later.

[ActionDan]

so scum has Roleblocker/Tracker/? I guess. where is serela.

this was the slip for those still oblivious.

There is no taking into account the SK.  and if SK is included in the word "scum" then there are only 3 slots instead of 4. 

Also from simply skimming the thread, Serela is also scum.  Like it's immpossible for Serela not to be scum based on the post where he votes me.

Shadoweh's town.

[Conqueror]

Day 1, DEFCON 3 - Game Event

"Major, we've intercepted something interesting from one of the recently added frequencies."
"Don't just tell me about it, show me what you've got."
...
"I swear I didn't tamper with these in any way, sir."
"Inform me if we intercept any further communications."
"Yes, sir."

---------

God damn I love catgirls

How can I even explain why I like catgirls? There are just so many reasons.

Is it their ears? Their fuzzy, twitchy, cat ears? That could be one reason I love catgirls.

Maybe I like catgirls because of their fuzzy tails, swishing about.

Holy fuck this guy is talking to cats within the first sixty seconds
But no catgirls yet

im gay

[Conqueror]

Day 1, DEFCON 3

Votecount Eagle Claw
ActionDan:    Raikaria, Serela (2)
I have no name:    BT (1)
Serela:    rawr (1)
NekoNekoRex:    Dormio, huhwhat (2)
Raikaria:    Shadoweh (1)
Shadoweh:    Zakeri (1)
huhwhat:    ActionDan, PX, NekoNekoRex (3)
rawr:    IHNN (1)

Not voting: No one

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
You have 2 days and 2.5 hours left.

[Serela]

Maybe when I have to work all day I should remember I actually need to get online and post before I go to work

It's hard to advance my opinions on people when half the game is superlurking. (Admittedly I am a part of this group right now >_>;; This will not change a whole lot during Day 1 because I'm working from almost when I wake up 'til a few hours before I sleep for the next several days)

RE:Votes on HW for the plan, while the plan isn't exactly working out the best it still seemed solid enough at the time so I can't really say HW is scum because of it (That being said, it probably has ended up being more of a benefit to scum then just playing "normally"), zero interest in hw lynch apart from him getting to revengekill

And I do mean "votes on HW for the plan", I haven't seen people voting HW for reasons that aren't the plan he suggested (By the way, this is bad, and makes me dislike the HW wagon for more reasons then not wanting to lynch HW)

Shadoweh's response to Raikaria's latest post (it being pretty useless) is spot on.

Also about the vanilla thing, I dunno, vig is a pretty awesome role to have. Most of the PRs you can choose here are significantly less exciting then being a vig. With multiple shots, no less.

Dan's new post is really unexciting. "Here's the slip, Serela is 100% scum, bye"

Since apparently a lot of people want to lynch HW, and a lot of people want to lynch Dan, how do people feel about the prospect of lynching HW and letting him Failsafe-murder Dan? (I suggest he would do this because he's said he wants to, so.)

I almost suggest this seriously, except,
conq does the failsafe have a revengekill of any type when lynched
the role description does not say this but HW continuously heavily implies it

[Serela]

I am really tired so I keep forgetting to clarify that when I talk about people's posts being really unexciting I mean it in a "this looks bad in a not-town way"

especially with dan

he should really have more to say about the game and I shouldn't have to elaborate on why