DEFCON Mafia (Night 2, DEFCON 2)

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Anyway, shit happened.
Raikaria and NNR's latest posting makes me think again about my reads. But it's just way too hard to ignore first impressions.

I like Selery so far today for whatever reason.

I'm also wondering what's up with Swadomeh. Might drop NNR/Raikaria to go for her. Dunno.

[WHMZakeri]

This post is a miraculous waste of time. If Raikaria really wanted to know if Dan had discovered a scumslip, ie if he were actually hunting for scum instead of trying to ride the Dan wave, he would be LOOKING FOR THE GOD DAMN SLIP HIMSELF.

I searched for the scumslip myself. I had no clue what Dan could have been referring to, and voted him because I needed him to clarify it himself. If people are voting Dan because they don't understand him, then it's Dan's job to jump in and explain himself. This game is based off of holding people to their words, and you're apparently voting Raikaria because he was the most overzealous in doing so.

I don't care if [Cases are scummy]^tm. If we want anything resembling accuracy, we need more information.

that's not the main reason I think NNR is scum though I think it's weird he'd turn around and vote with Dan in context

except for the part where that's not weird at all.
If people always followed the rule that you can't vote the same person that scum is voting for, Bussing would work 100% of the time.

The rest of your arguments make sense, and you did say you were just throwing that point out there to convince people, so I guess it's no biggie.

There is no taking into account the SK.  and if SK is included in the word "scum" then there are only 3 slots instead of 4. 

So Huhwhat is scum because he forgot there was an SK lurking around? How does that work?

RE:Votes on HW for the plan, while the plan isn't exactly working out the best it still seemed solid enough at the time so I can't really say HW is scum because of it (That being said, it probably has ended up being more of a benefit to scum then just playing "normally"), zero interest in hw lynch apart from him getting to revengekill

And I do mean "votes on HW for the plan", I haven't seen people voting HW for reasons that aren't the plan he suggested (By the way, this is bad, and makes me dislike the HW wagon for more reasons then not wanting to lynch HW)

I agree with this. The only person that even deserves to lynch HW is me right now, and I can't do it since I passed up the vig just to listen to people talk about rocks.
Serela is obvtown ++, along with Huhwhat and NNR. I dare all of you to challenge me on this.

tbh, the main reason Dan thought my post is a scumslip and nobody else got it until he pointed it out is probably because he's non-town and knows that more than one alignment stole a role

This would actually make a lot of sense if Dan of SK. That's my permanent head-canon now.

Too lazy to Read Raikari right now, but it looks a little like stuff I just said, so I'm going to continue to assume that I don't want him lynched today.

[Dr Rawr]

Also from simply skimming the thread, Serela is also scum.  Like it's immpossible for Serela not to be scum based on the post where he votes me.

i actually saw this earlier and thought the same thing.

planes

I was on airplanes returning to the east coast of US from Hawaii all day

also for all you communist tampa is on the east coast

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Zak, what has NNR done that looks town to you?

[PX]

Stop poking me!

Yes, I'm here. :\

[PX]

NNR: Bad
Huh What:
Raikaria: Townish and back to nullish and going downhill somewhat
Dormio: Town
IHNN: Town??? Idk
NNR: Still bad, going worse

Shadoweh: Fuck you, I don't do that in scumQTs.

Guess what? Roles mean absolutely nothing to me this game.

Best post in the game.

Oh hey, catgirls in QT. Goddammit.

No IHNN, I don't know that im gay thing, I don't go on Twitch. Although, thanks for the information. If we go with that, you, Serela, BT would be in the scumteam. (one of you), and NNR is town.

Raikaria rising back to townish...

And I just realized BRK meant Zak. :\

Wow, not much has really happened. Go figure.

Alright, done reading, now let's actually make sense of this stuff :\

Shadoweh has been on and off, so I don't want to lynch HIM now. Maybe later.
Huh What, I still don't like. I don't get why he's trying to be like Shadoweh, but he's not the shining pinnacle of town by a longshot.
Serela... being useless? Shall we follow up and actually lynch him for once? :V
Zakeri?
NNR, don't feel like lynching now.
Meh, w/e. Mafiers is hard.

Which leaves Rawr/Dan/Serela. These options all suck, not because they're bad lynches, just because they suck.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

How do you even say somebody is bad twice in one post then go "I don't feel like lynching him" and keep your vote on me?

[PX]

Oh, those were notes I were making while reading. Also, dotos, and trying to decide which one to lynch. :\

##UNVOTE

[BT]

P-Prod dodge.

I'm retarded, don't mind me. At least I have the entire day off tomorrow to compensate.

[BT]

Deadline is in slightly more than a day. Noted.

~_~

[Shadoweh]

lol 'oh my god you suck'
I'm not moving my vote. That was the best overblown response since ever.
HW: Because Raikaria is scummier now be a bro and lynch him with me.

[Shadoweh]

So Huhwhat is scum because he forgot there was an SK lurking around? How does that work?

because the person most likely to forget about the SK is the SK, it's science.
It is the responsibility of townies to look for the scum. I don't want to turn this into an exercise on whether posting cases is scummy or not, but Dan is trying to do what he always tries to do, break the game open. By being weird, prodding scumslips, whatever. It's not his responsibility to hold people's hands to find clues, and unlike you, Raikaria took that as a chance to prod Dan and do Nothing Else.

Also I was going to say that if the messages are this painful for us they must be great for you >.> I might shoot nuclear death in your name for you if it makes you feel better.

[Shadoweh]

I'm not the only one who's said that Shadoweh's reactions towards me are scummy either, before the above is accused of OMGUS by Shadoweh.

At least you're psychic. You're voting me for chainsawing you over Dan, but this line of logic only works if Dan is actually scum, therefore you should vote me first because
Also later in this post you're still DANWAGON anyways (still voting me though)

Why would you be softclaiming FailSafe D1, except to scare people off lynching you [Which doesn't even work like that it turns out] Can't read too much into this since Failsafe doesn't work on lynches, but still, don't like this line.

If huh what had a partner who wasn't say Serela/NNR or something they probably could have told him it doesn't work that way so the mistake looks more like a townslip. Or an SKslip. Either way it should be a likeable line!

Also this is bad. Real bad. What the hell is Shadoweh saying here? Spear of vengeance against me? If anything I've been leaning to being on NNR's side. More Shadoweh gibberish, and more reason to vote him.

SHADOWEH IS WEIRD AND IS MAKING NO SENSE OMG SHE IS STOOPID AND WE SHOULD LYNCH HER FACE. Protip my scum posts are more thought out because I actually care if you like them. You said in this very posts that you 'finally understand huh what's reasons on NNR' yet here at the end you've totally been leaning to his side. Waffling scum.

I'm still perfectly happy with an ActionDan lynch, by the way, as he continues to say stuff with 0 use, 0 effort, and 0 explanation. Why is Shadoweh town except for the fact he/she is attempting to get me off you? Why are you STILL not explaining the slip, but acknowledging it?

I am pretty sure Dan outright named what he thought the slip was by now so acknowledging must be Rakaringlish for 'i want to slip back on your sexy back wagon'.


To answer the question about what I meant when I was asking NNR, Neko asked in response to Zakeri:

What the hell does Raikaria have to do with Me vs HW, Dormio? I dropped Raikaria like, two realtime days ago.

To which I replied,

For the sake of maybe finding the answer to that, why did you drop Raikaria and why will you not pick up the spear of vengeance against him?

Which was to ask why Neko dropped Raikaria and why he didn't want to vote him anymore, which I do not think he's answered since he didn't understand the question either.

[Conqueror]

Day 1, DEFCON 3

Votecount Desert Storm
ActionDan:    Serela (1)
I have no name:    BT (1)
Serela:    rawr (1)
NekoNekoRex:    Dormio, huhwhat (2)
Raikaria:    Shadoweh (1)
Shadoweh:    Zakeri, Raikaria (2)
huhwhat:    ActionDan, NekoNekoRex (2)
rawr:    IHNN (1)

Not voting: PX

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
You have 1 day and 5.5 hours left.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Dodging them prods. I have 7 hours of class with a 1 hour trip to and from uni.
I might be able to post in between that somewhere but no promises.

[NekoNekoRex]

To answer the question about what I meant when I was asking NNR, Neko asked in response to Zakeri:To which I replied,Which was to ask why Neko dropped Raikaria and why he didn't want to vote him anymore, which I do not think he's answered since he didn't understand the question either.

Change in reads, scumhunting makes more sense, and being a sucker for people who think I'm super town probably has a little influence.

PX's new post is full of lolrandum so I don't really know what to make of it. Some more clear scum reads from him would be helpful.

I have no idea what Shadoweh is doing and it's all over the place. She's like Serela but without the waffling. Not sure what to think of that.

[NekoNekoRex]

Wow those were some real unclear and shitty reads reading over that.

Let me read shadoweh more thoroughly and actually come up with something tangible.

[Shadoweh]

I think what I'm doing is pretty clear. I think Raikaria is doing some scummy shit so let's lynch him. I will forgive you for that punchworthy comparison if you can find the ability to move your vote.

[Serela]

Re:Shadoweh vs. Raikaria

Shadoweh's reasons for pushing Raikaria are totally legit. What Raikaria is doing isn't explicitly bad but he (she?) is sure using a lot of words for "I'm going to continue voting ActionDan for not doing stuff" and also, uhm, not doing anything else, which IS kind of bad (E.g.:Scum!Uesugi in Swordgirls Anonymafia d2 sitting on Kaori and ignoring the rest of the game).

Raikaria's OMGUS on Shadoweh for voting him over it is also really silly. Maybe it's just because I think Shadoweh looks legit while Raikaria doesn't, that makes me automatically see the post in a really bad light?

##unvote ActionDan ##Vote Raikaria
Somehow, interest in an AD lynch doesn't seem to be high, and Raikaria looks progressively worse each time I come back and look at the game.

Hw claimed failsafe because it's part of the plan he made and if scum don't have it then they can be pretty sure HW does himself, anyway. Or HW is scum and it wouldn't matter. tl;dr there was no reason not to.

[Raikaria]

]It is the responsibility of townies to look for the scum. I don't want to turn this into an exercise on whether posting cases is scummy or not, but Dan is trying to do what he always tries to do, break the game open. By being weird, prodding scumslips, whatever. It's not his responsibility to hold people's hands to find clues, and unlike you, Raikaria took that as a chance to prod Dan and do Nothing Else.

Prodding Dan, asking for more information on his scumread, attempting to get him to contribute more, and not having anything else to go on is scummy according to you.

Every post you make is making me regret lynching you less and less.

At least you're psychic. You're voting me for chainsawing you over Dan, but this line of logic only works if Dan is actually scum, therefore you should vote me first because

No, the line of logic works regardless. I asked you to point out one thing Dan has done that makes him town. You are yet to provide that. So why are you attacking me over attacking him?

I think what I'm doing is pretty clear. I think Raikaria is doing some scummy shit so let's lynch him. I will forgive you for that punchworthy comparison if you can find the ability to move your vote.

More, 'If you do X to lynch the guy breathing down my neck I'll do Y for you'. Does anyone else besides me notice how horribly scummy this is? This is the 2nd time Shadoweh's done it too.

[Raikaria]

For the sake of maybe finding the answer to that, why did you drop Raikaria and why will you not pick up the spear of vengeance against him?

FYI this is the other time Shadoweh's other attempt to get someone to lynch me. A non-sensical attempt because it's implying that I did something bad to NNR, when I was only just accused of 'defending' him.

[Raikaria]

Tl;DR: Shadoweh's whole basis for attacking me is my attempt to lynch a non-contributing member of the game, who is actively attempting to throw the town off course with 'OMG Sumread but I won't say why lol', who has done nothing the slightest bit town the entire game.

Seriously. That's stupid. And the blackmail/BS he/she is posting to try and get others to vote me is even worse. [I never attacked NNR at all, why would NNR take up a spear of vengeance, and the most recent one is outright blackmail.]

[Serela]

Raikaria:Dan was nonexistent. Even after he "came back" he's still pretty much nonexistent. Regardless of how obvscum it makes him look, tunneling on it is Not Good.

Prodding Dan, asking for more information on his scumread, attempting to get him to contribute more, and not having anything else to go on is scummy according to you.

The thing is, there is only so much to do to someone who does not exist. The reasons he is bad are pretty cut and dry, and what he needed to do are also cut and dry. There isn't much to accomplish actively hounding someone who never talks and doesn't respond when he does. And it's definitely not good for it to be the only thing you do.

Not having anything else to weigh in an opinion on -is- scummy. Shadoweh's reasons for voting you make complete sense to me.

[Raikaria]

Raikaria:Dan was nonexistent. Even after he "came back" he's still pretty much nonexistent. Regardless of how obvscum it makes him look, tunneling on it is Not Good.
The thing is, there is only so much to do to someone who does not exist. The reasons he is bad are pretty cut and dry, and what he needed to do are also cut and dry. There isn't much to accomplish actively hounding someone who never talks and doesn't respond when he does. And it's definitely not good for it to be the only thing you do.

Not having anything else to weigh in an opinion on -is- scummy. Shadoweh's reasons for voting you make complete sense to me.

So you outright admit Dan is bad, and yet you defend Shadoweh for attacking me over voting someone who's 'bad' for the town?

That makes about as little sense as Shadoweh's reasoning.

But hey, at least you aren't blackmailing other players  and making up reasons that never happened [Spear of Vengance], both of which look horribly scummy.

[Raikaria]

Also yes, there is something I can do by actively hounding someone who's not contributing and negative to the game.

Lynch him and remove him from the game.

[NekoNekoRex]

Second opinion

At least you're psychic. You're voting me for chainsawing you over Dan, but this line of logic only works if Dan is actually scum, therefore you should vote me first because

Snarky opinion

Also later in this post you're still DANWAGON anyways (still voting me though)If huh what had a partner who wasn't say Serela/NNR or something they probably could have told him it doesn't work that way so the mistake looks more like a townslip. Or an SKslip. Either way it should be a likeable line!

I don't really care about the perceived slip so no real opinion. Find it more annoying HW is scumhunting based on rolespec anyway.

SHADOWEH IS WEIRD AND IS MAKING NO SENSE OMG SHE IS STOOPID AND WE SHOULD LYNCH HER FACE. Protip my scum posts are more thought out because I actually care if you like them. You said in this very posts that you 'finally understand huh what's reasons on NNR' yet here at the end you've totally been leaning to his side. Waffling scum.

Self meta, dislike. Will keep waffle comment in mind for reading up on Raikaria

I am pretty sure Dan outright named what he thought the slip was by now so acknowledging must be Rakaringlish for 'i want to slip back on your sexy back wagon'.

Snarky and unnecessary comment

Wow okay I guess I don't like shadoweh that much. Less snark, more bark.
Shadoweh, can you point me to some solid reasoning Raikaria is scum?

[NekoNekoRex]

Incidentally I think Raikaria is taking things too seriously.

Blackmail? Really?

[Raikaria]

Last time I checked saying 'You do this for me and I'll forget about Y' is pretty much the definition of Blackmail.

[Serela]

I think in this case it's more "if you do X then you won't look as scummy" rather then just being some task Shadoweh wants you to do in order to further her own agenda

that being said, I don't remember what it was and I'm again at the point of tiredness I was at yesterday

[Raikaria]

I think what I'm doing is pretty clear. I think Raikaria is doing some scummy shit so let's lynch him. I will forgive you for that punchworthy comparison if you can find the ability to move your vote.

'Noun
The action, treated as a criminal offense, of demanding money from a person in return for not revealing compromising or injurious...'

Pretty much the mafia equivalent.

And if blackmail isn't scummy, idk what is.