Author Topic: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (GAME OVER: SCUM WIN)  (Read 83517 times)

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #390 on: January 30, 2013, 08:53:37 PM »
At this point, it's a coinflip. I think NNR is still scummier than Zak, but at this point I'd rather lynch Zak because I can get a better read on NNR D2 based on D1.

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #391 on: January 30, 2013, 08:54:17 PM »
Okay. I think IHNN's clock is a bit faster (gonna be before x:00) so I'm gonna hammer in a minute.

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #392 on: January 30, 2013, 08:55:32 PM »
##Vote Zakeri

Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #393 on: January 30, 2013, 08:56:00 PM »
Okay. I think IHNN's clock is a bit faster (gonna be before x:00) so I'm gonna hammer in a minute.
w/e ill respond to affinity, conq, you? d2 then

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #394 on: January 30, 2013, 08:56:14 PM »
End of Disc Day 1 Votecount
ActionDan:     (0)
Affinity:     (0)
BT:     (0)
Conqueror:     (0)
Darkoda:     (0)
Dorian:     (0)
Dormio:     (0)
NekoNekoRex:    rawr, SasAmra-san, Dorian, Serela, Zakeri (5)
PX:     (0)
rawr:     (0)
SasAmra-san:     (0)
Serela:     (0)
Shadoweh:     (0)
Zakeri:    NekoNekoRex, Shadoweh, Conqueror, Dormio, Affinity, ActionDan, PX, BT ( 8 ) LYNCH
Not voting: Darkoda

Zakeri has been lynched.  He was playing as Cid Fabool IX, Town Inventor.
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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #395 on: January 30, 2013, 08:57:49 PM »
One, I'm not even sure what all the levels mean and all these slang terms are really putting me off. two, now that I see the softclaim and sudden switcharoo, Zak seems even scummier. third, I jusr personally dislike no lynch days and Im probably ignorant to all the special tells I'm probably putting off. Zak seems scummy and Im not sure about nnr anymore, thats all.

##unvote nnr
##vote zakeri

edit: wonderful cockblocked out of my proper vote change.

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Night 1)
« Reply #396 on: January 31, 2013, 10:42:50 PM »
The second day dawned, and 1 more was missing.
ActionDan, playing Mikoto, Vanilla Townie, rejoined the cycle of souls!

It is now DAY 2.
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
You have  72  hours remaining.

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #397 on: January 31, 2013, 10:47:13 PM »
##Vote NNR

Lynch all liars is terrible. I'll make a bigger post after class and stuff.

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #398 on: February 01, 2013, 12:20:59 AM »
And I'm a cat ho!

and I'm a cat ah!

I've got a tail yeah!

want some tail hey?

Well I'm dead.

Don't lynch me.

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #399 on: February 01, 2013, 12:25:28 AM »
I have a different bone to pick first.
##Vote: Conqueror
What the hell was Post #293? It looked like you threw up your arms at arguing and then voted Zakeri just because? Lynching order aside, I fail to see how if you truly thought he was a vig you wouldn't consider Neko a better option (and Neko hadn't claimed yet so etc.) Basically I'm asking why PX going RAWR IS MY WAIFU would make you ignore your own reasoning about why Zak was a vig to go 'oh whatever let's lynch the townie'.

I just realized this is FF9 mafia and I have no idea who Dan was <.<


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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #400 on: February 01, 2013, 12:35:14 AM »
I wish I had more votes so that I could put them all on the people who voted me yesterday

Except BT. He's fine.

PX had no case on me yesterday except for that ED1 sheeping thing, and then by the end of the day he upgraded it to "Ignoring all your post content, ##Vote because AtE".
Rawr didn't even make a clear reason past sheeping, and refused to explain the vote later on.
Serela can't sheep harder. That might be hypocritical since my first vote was a sheep, but at least I came up for non-roleclaim-related reasons later on. Serela just sheepvoted on me the whole time.
Also because the person I sheeped actually flipped town.
Doian's case was bad because read post #232, although he's not really scummy for it as much as "baseless accusations" PX and the Scum Voting Block.

##Vote: PX

Darkoda and Amra-san got a handhold on D1 but they need to start forming their own opinions and voting.

Dormio needs to start explaining things because he can't hide behind his post restriction forever.

The rest of you lot are off the hook because you're probably town.
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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #401 on: February 01, 2013, 12:42:55 AM »
There is absolutely no reason any townie should make up bullshit lies. Yes, I realize there are gambits which can SOMETIMES help town (like a reaction test, or fakeclaiming to mislead scum, but just being confusing by pulling stunts like that isn't helpful for anyone.
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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #402 on: February 01, 2013, 12:52:11 AM »
In fact I think Serela's #309 exemplifies perfectly why you shouldn't fuck around claiming roles you don't have.

Also it's a good reason to vote Serela in general, what with all the "I have no reason here why NekoRex is actually scummy"
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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #403 on: February 01, 2013, 01:00:20 AM »
##Vote: PX

PX going full-on NNR hate mode without really considering much else (even NNR's own content!) is disheartening.  In his first post here he votes NNR for....

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3)Sheep so people can't complain about lack of vote

While I thought this post was previously solid, this reason seems rather made up.  Why wouldn't people complain about NNR sheeping in that case, if that was what happened? 

His add-ons to his case, namely AtE and 'LaL is terrible' are also not too impressive., especially when NNR started giving reads on other people which PX did not acknowledge. I also noticed that he doesn't address NNR' changing reads on BT much at all.  All these make me think that his vote has lost its original focus (lack of original scumreads on others), and that he's continuing to vote NNR just because he is a viable target.  All this deserves a vote.

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #404 on: February 01, 2013, 01:02:55 AM »
Neko, I findd it much more likely that scum would happily push a 'claimed vig' over you, so looking at your own wagon for the entire scum team is probably a bad idea. Do you think you have a better case on Serela then on PX? Because your PX case is based around him hating you..


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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #405 on: February 01, 2013, 01:13:11 AM »
Other things of note include Dormio's horrible mid and late-D1.  In general, he never stated his opinion on NNR (major wagon) the entire D1 which I want to see soon.  Dorian's lack of currency until the very end of D1 and his somewhat disappointing vote on NNR is a thing too.  Would like him to clarify on his opinion on rawr:

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About Rawr, not sure if it's bias from last game but I get the impression that he puts more thoughts in his post than last time. I never thought I would see the day but I'm not interested in his lynch right now.

which really sort of begs the question.

Also seconding Shadoweh's question on NNR about placing all his scum suspects on his wagon, which seems rather unlikely.  Surely you are not saying that everyone who went for Zakeri were town, that just sounds selfish.

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #406 on: February 01, 2013, 01:16:00 AM »
Shadoweh re:Conq, I agree 293 is really weird, but I think everything -else- he did is pretty townie looking... hrm.

Would still love to lynch Rawr apart from PX being weird about him, but I'm not going to not like a lynch on rawr just because of that. Example of why: HW in Welcome to NHK mafia having an unexplained clear on someone for reasons contained in his role PM, and it turned out the guy was actually scum after all.

Rawr literally hasn't posted since the last time I commented on him unless I'm forgetting something (if I did it was probably a near-deadline tiny blurb that doesn't matter) so moving on.

I think PX is town because scum doesn't commit to having weird unexplained and most likely role-related clears of someone who isn't even a big wagon, on d1 , when they themselves aren't even being suspected either. I mean I used too many reasons right here, but tl;dr it seems really unscummy. As for the rest of the stuff, I think PX's first contentpost was pretty townie+ at the time too, and... that... PX tends to be kind of questionable as town anyway so the rest of his play doesn't really surprise me. Yes that means this is partially a bluh meta clear, but I have non-meta reasons too D:

I thought Dormio was town ED1, but later in the day, his posting seems really lackluster. He makes vague easy comments like "X isn't contributing much" and votes big wagons without talking about any specific details, and jumps on the Zak wagon post-not-actually-vig-claim without commenting on that either. Yes, it turned out it wasn't a claim, but it doesn't change that it really looked like one at the time and at least deserved a mention even if you didn't think it was serious :C (tl;dr I think Dormio is scummy. A lot of the time people imply/say that I'm really unclear whether I actually mean I think someone is scummy or not)

BT/Affinity are fine although Affinity if you could explain how you feel about people who aren't PX that would be p.cool

Shadoweh's targets seem kind of strange but I think it'd be weirder for that to come from scum then town. Then again one of them was also the claimed vig (...kinda) :T I'unno. she doesn't look particularly scummy though either? I guess what I'm saying here is that she's null and I don't really have many thoughts on her.

NNR: oh wait a second
I'm being cut by affinity beating me to dormio I'm posting now waaaaaaah I wanted to be the first to say Dormio looks scummy D:
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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #407 on: February 01, 2013, 01:25:48 AM »
Neko, I findd it much more likely that scum would happily push a 'claimed vig' over you, so looking at your own wagon for the entire scum team is probably a bad idea. Do you think you have a better case on Serela then on PX? Because your PX case is based around him hating you..
There was a wagon on two townies at the end of D1. I don't play scum so I don't know how they prioritize claims. imo vigs are just as likely to miss and shoot town anyway.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #408 on: February 01, 2013, 01:28:10 AM »
Forgot to mention the obvious part of that post that "the scum were free to try and get either of us lynched, it was a town/town wagon"

Besides I was confident in that wagon and I'm confident in the town reads on most of the people on that wagon.  Zak played like scum, and he got lynched.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #409 on: February 01, 2013, 01:50:32 AM »
Now my thoughts have been interrupted. Uh. Who's left in a list. Newbies are new, Zak and Dan are dead, oh yeah Dorian and NNR

Also because the person I sheeped actually flipped town.
I don't know why you're mentioning this when
A.Scum don't really sheep other scum often (at least not blatantly in public) for a variety of reasons, in any case sheeping a townie doesn't make sheeping stop having any of the bad qualities of, well, being sheep-y
B.The person your sheepvote was for flipped town as well so uh

but I digress

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Serela can't sheep harder. That might be hypocritical since my first vote was a sheep, but at least I came up for non-roleclaim-related reasons later on. Serela just sheepvoted on me the whole time.
This sure is weird considering I never sheep voted you. Are you still on about the "YOU WERE SHEEPING PX" thing that I wasn't even serious about when I said it? Because it wasn't actually true? As I said in the same sentence where I mentioned sheeping PX so that it'd be obvious yet multiple people still frown-faced at me for it why :C

I already explained in previous posts when this was brought up before, that it wasn't what was going on, so I'll move onto the more likely reason you're saying this. The end of day thing, which seems likely considering you reference it!

"I hate the other choice" is a pretty legitimate way to choose between two end of day wagons. Suggesting last minute quickwagons instead is generally ew. Granted, you should have an opinion on the person you do vote, for sure, but; I had already given reasons I thought you were scum before, anyway, so it's not as if me wanting you lynched was a new revelation. Although, at that point I was more just being lazy because I hated the other lynch option, though :T I almost say "why did zak get lynched again" but then I remember the part where he wasn't actually a vig.

As for my actual current opinion on NNR, it sure isn't improved by his current D2 stuff. I disagree with the bullet on PX, on myself, and already explained why I think bullet 4 is weird. Passing off the entire Zak wagon as town (see post 409 for yes he is doing this) is :idonteven: If Zakeri is playing like scum and got lynched for it, why would it be unlikely for actual scum to be voting him too?

And then Dorian and I'm done oh god I'm tired of reading mafia and thinking now. Well... he was behind for almost the entirety of D1. When he finally caught up, it was end-day, so understandably he only paid attention to the two end day wagons. I'd like to see what he thinks about everyone else now because we all have ~*~no idea~*~ and it's good to always know what people think about other people! ...in mafia, not in real life. tl;dr information is power etc

Okay so let's see. Summary. Would lynch Rawr, Dormio, NNR. Not sure about priority because I'm really tired right now and just got off work.

And for NNR's latest post, unless you're REALLY SURE the vig does NOT want to shoot any of the scum, the small benefit of a townie getting offed (Maybe not even a benefit as it's quite likely one who would have been pretty mislynchable) is not worth the risk of the really terrible event of a scum getting shot and it didn't even take up a lynch slot and give them another nk in exchange for the loss, plus it invents a new townie (The vig) who is not very likely to get lynched, and having more of those around is annoying.
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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #410 on: February 01, 2013, 01:50:57 AM »
Ooh my god. How can you possibly be so arrogant.
The fact that he was 'playing like scum' just means it was easier for scum to try to lynch him. Easier to justify and easier to push in order to hide behind words like 'he deserved it'. He didn't, he was town trying to buy himself a day to either get killed or fire off an invention which would confirm his role. Trying to wave away the wagon is extremely scummy because you're basically telling people to ignore the flips.

This is also why I think a wagon on PX is badd, PX is being really town and NNR definitely deserves it for first acting like he was screwed going up against a power role, then claiming a power role himself (BP lol).


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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #411 on: February 01, 2013, 01:51:08 AM »
So wait, let me get this straight. You think Serela is scum because he's sheeping. You said you were sheeping your first post, BUT it's okay because the person flipped town. And you think Serela is scum because he's sheeping someone on your wagon, because the entire wagon is scum. ???

Cut Serela phone post yay post later see ya

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #412 on: February 01, 2013, 01:55:35 AM »
oh wait I didn't vote

Hi PX :D

##Vote NNR
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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #413 on: February 01, 2013, 02:06:03 AM »
So wait, let me get this straight. You think Serela is scum because he's sheeping. You said you were sheeping your first post, BUT it's okay because the person flipped town. And you think Serela is scum because he's sheeping someone on your wagon, because the entire wagon is scum. ???
Serela never made any original reasons why I'm scum, and got off scot free for sheeping, yet when I start off the day sheeping it gets me nearly lynched?

The same goes for rawr here.
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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #414 on: February 01, 2013, 02:07:22 AM »
How the fuck is PX town, Shadoweh? He didn't do anything useful up until the very end of D1.
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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #415 on: February 01, 2013, 02:09:22 AM »
Also you guys are twisting my words. The people I have town reads on are town. Hell, I even think a couple people that were on my wagon most of the day are town. Quit taking the broad statements literally here as if it's the only thing I said
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #416 on: February 01, 2013, 02:15:15 AM »
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He didn't, he was town trying to buy himself a day to either get killed or fire off an invention which would confirm his role.
Zak could have avoided a lynch by actually playing the game, making reads, contributing, and finding scum to lynch.

Instead what he did was vote dan for two whole days for a poke Dan made on Serela, then spent the last one doing a Me Over Not Me.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #417 on: February 01, 2013, 02:16:08 AM »
*Not Me Over Me
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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #418 on: February 01, 2013, 02:20:57 AM »
Also you guys are twisting my words. The people I have town reads on are town. Hell, I even think a couple people that were on my wagon most of the day are town. Quit taking the broad statements literally here as if it's the only thing I said

Read your first line of the day. I'm just saiyan.

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #419 on: February 01, 2013, 02:23:29 AM »
I have a different bone to pick first.
##Vote: Conqueror
What the hell was Post #293? It looked like you threw up your arms at arguing and then voted Zakeri just because? Lynching order aside, I fail to see how if you truly thought he was a vig you wouldn't consider Neko a better option (and Neko hadn't claimed yet so etc.) Basically I'm asking why PX going RAWR IS MY WAIFU would make you ignore your own reasoning about why Zak was a vig to go 'oh whatever let's lynch the townie'.
ebwodp: in other words my lynching priorities are still the same as in the post above. nnr is on the list because he's a major wagon but i dont think he's that scummy right now so would prefer not to lynch him over the other options
just trying to explain my thought process a little
Gosh, read my posts Shadoweh. Zakeri read scummier than NNR by far and by that point I didn't really want to lynch NNR anymore. I switched off of Zak in the first place only because I wanted to lynch rawr instead.

At this point, it's a coinflip. I think NNR is still scummier than Zak, but at this point I'd rather lynch Zak because I can get a better read on NNR D2 based on D1.
Would like PX to explain this though, given how he opened D2.

Will catch up on this game later, but I probably need to replace out tomorrow because I'll be having sporadic access.


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