Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: I have no name on January 27, 2013, 06:11:27 AM
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Welcome to the world of Gaia.
Welcome, to
Final Fantasy 9 Mafia
Not dead yet:
2. Serela
10. Conq Polaris
11. SasAmra-san
In need of a Phoenix Down:
5. Zakeri, playing Cid Fabool IX, Town Inventor, got turned back into an oglop D1.
1. ActionDan, playing Mikoto, Vanilla Townie, rejoined the cycle of souls N1!
8. NekoNekoRex, playing Freya Crescent, Town 2-shot Commuter, hit the ground too hard D2!
3. BT, playing Eiko Carol, Town Doctor, entered Trance, became an angel and ascended N2! (just means died k)
0. No-Lynch-tan, playing Malboro, Third Party Generic Lurker Mook with Bad Breath, was bullied to death D3!
13. rawr, playing Adelbert Steiner, Town Lover used the Blood Sword on a Whale Zombie N3!
12. PX, playing THE FEARED GENERAL BEATRIX WHO ONCE KILLED ONE HUNDRED KNIGHTS SINGLE-HANDEDLY, CAPTAIN OF THE ALEXANDRIA GUARD and Town Lover suicided got the wrong end of a Climhazzard N3!
6. Affinity, playing Kuja, Scum Watcher and Sore Loser got knocked down by Garland D4!
4. Shadoweh, playing Zidane Tribal, Town Tantalus Member fought Ark without equipping Clear Headed N4!
9. Dorian, playing Quina Quen, Scum 2-shot Mimic ate too many frogs and exploded D5!
7. Dormio, playing Garnet til Alexandros XVII, Town Tracker got the wrong end of a Zantetsuken N5!
14. Darkoda, playing Blank, Town Tantalus Member, didn't equip Jelly before returning to the Evil Forest!
Rules:
1. All days will last around 72 hours, depending on my schedule.
2. Nights will be around 24 hours, depending on schedule. Any night actions must be sent in during this time.
2a. Times can be reduced by me anytime depending on activity levels, but probably won't.
3. A majority must be reached to obtain a lynch. No majority = no lynch.
4. Scum have the option to not nightkill.
5. Scum have safeclaims.
6. Votes must be bolded with the double octothorpes, as so: ##Vote: <player>. Same applies to unvotes.
7. Between a hammer and a mod posting the final votecount is twilight.
8. Players must post at least once every 24 hours, or incur a prod. 3 prods and you're out. Not responding 24 hours after a prod will bring about a modkill.
9. Please remember to not edit posts.
10. Players that have died may Bah! once, and it must not be game related.
11. Players may not contact any other player by any means other than in the game thread unless their role permits them to do so.
11a. Unless the role says otherwise, the other means may be used at all times.
12. Quoting your role PM will swiftly and thoroughly bring about a modkill. If in doubt, send the post to the mod first for approval.
13. There is no talking in-thread during night.
14. I will announce when LYLO or Pseudo-LYLO arrives.
15. Fake day actions are lame. Don't be lame.
Shamelessly copied from Hanged Hourai (with changes)
Handy links:
Start of D1 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg941336.html#msg941336)
End of D1 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942944.html#msg942944)
Start of D2 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943378.html#msg943378)
End of D2 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg944466.html#msg944466)
Start of D3 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg944866.html#msg944866)
End of D3 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg946064.html#msg946064)
Start of D4 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg946323.html#msg946323)
End of D4 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg946819.html#msg946819)
Start of D5 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg947098.html#msg947098)
Start of D6 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg947358.html#msg947358)
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PMs are being sent out.
Post here to confirm you got one.
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All Role PMs sent.
Game will start when everyone confirms or approximately 20 hours from this post.
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First
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Second
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I plead the third
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##Confirm
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Confirmpalooza
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confirming that ihnn needs to give me my money back
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Confirmed.
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I would suki to tsutaeeru minna-san to mitte at how kawaii watakushi sama is desu ne~☆
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got it
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Comfirmiglion~
...oh wait that's the wrong ff game
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Confirmed
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confirmed
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confirmed
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Game will start when everyone confirms
And pretty sure that's everyone, with Affinity :D
##Vote Darkoda
Because BREAK THE NEWBIES. I mean... break in. Yes. Coughcough
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##Vote Serela
Dorian is your buddy, isn't he? You won't fool me!
(We can do ~*~stuff~*~ in the meantime regardless.)
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Come at me. Or is my vote too much? Don't be a wimp, SERELA.
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Oh god I'm already cracking under the pressure SHADOWEH COME SAVE ME
Except not really. I'm going to go over in this corner while other people come in. I'm not umu and I can't tell if someone is scum by their first post :C (Oh wait or was that pesco)
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Show me your obvtown and I might be your umu.
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Votecount of Alexandria
Votecount
ActionDan: (0)
Affinity: (0)
BT: (0)
Conqueror: (0)
Darkoda: Serela, BT (2)
Dorian: (0)
Dormio: rawr (1)
NekoNekoRex: (0)
PX: (0)
rawr: (0)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: (0)
Zakeri: (0)
Sorry about the error in the last one, forgot which way my spreadsheet read from.
With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
You have 75 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130130T21&p0=%3A&msg=End+of+D1) hours remaining.
And pretty sure that's everyone, with Affinity :D
Dorian never confirmed, but close enough. :V
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##Vote: Dormio
idk if thats supposed to be role play, but if you plan to post like that for the rest of the game i may need to kill myself.
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IHNN scum with Serela for not reading the game. Also for making Serela's vote disappear but that's modhax.
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Nuuu, newbie abuse.
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##Unvote
##Vote Darkoda
I don't see a vote anywhere. Do you?
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IHNN scum for editing posts.
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##Vote BT
Hey man, I gotta look out for my fellow new guys. Nothing personal.
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Everything is personal in mafia. @_@
##Vote: Dormio I TOLD YOU I WOULDD QUICKLYNCH YOU DOG
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All right guys, you know the drill. Either you break the ice, or wait for someone to break it. I for one will not be the one breaking it. However, if you really want the game to advance, you either break it yourself or force someone to. Splitting votes so everybody has 1 or 2 votes on them doesn't put people in a situation where they have to make a decision, so stop doing that. For that reason
##Vote Darkoda
I would vote Shadoweh a second for always doing this stuff every game but she has no votes
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Geez, wasn't the game not supposed to start in around 10 hours?
Anyway, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
##Vote BT
It seems someone had too much coffee lately, would you mind to share some?
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##Vote: Dorian time for some revenge lynching from last game.
My internet connection is currently "choppy at best" for unknown reasons so I'm probably going to miss a chunk of this day phase. Taking a bus to town to sign up for college for the umpteenth time today too so I definitely won't be back for awhile.
Later, peeps
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##Vote Shadoweh
Naze kimitachi is voting for watashi desu? ;~;
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##Vote Darkoda
I am not sure what IHNN is up to, but my role PM says that you are scum.
So what are you? Suicidal scum traitor or somewat? I suppose I could see that IHNN wants to put a twist on things
I suppose you don't have to tell me, but I am curious
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##Vote: Darkoda because I don't think ActionDan is lying for some reason.
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##Vote: Darkoda because I don't think ActionDan is lying for some reason.
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lets wait for darkoda I am curious
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##Unvote
since he's at L-1 no reason day should end THIS early
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how is he at l-1? did i forget how to count again?
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I blame IHNN.
L-2 he was at,
now L-3.
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Given that utterly horrible reasoning, thanks for telling me who is definitely scum
##Vote ActionDan.
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Given that utterly horrible reasoning, thanks for telling me who is definitely scum
##Vote ActionDan.
Don't edit posts ever, I made the same mistake.
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Oh, k.
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Also, no he's not scum. But for now, neither are you.
##Unvote
##Vote Shadoweh
Begone, foul knave.
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[13:53:12] Someone is trying to hurt Dormio? That's not nice. I have to help him!
[14:03:33] PX is being proactive! That means he must be a Diary Holder too, right?
[15:35:16] Dormio is following through with the promise he made. I hope he doesn't hurt himself! That would make me sad.
[16:36:30] Darkoda said something cute! He shouldn't edit his posts again, because it's against the rururururules. But it's okay, because he's cute.
[20:25:19] People are following my vote onto Shadoweh because she's being mean. Definitely mean!
[23:53:24] The Shadoweh wagon comes together with a lynch. HAPPY END.
##Vote: Shadoweh
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beautiful.
but why is it horrible reasoning if it's in my Role Pm that confirms you as scum?
;D
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PX is town
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Because you had the most insane reason to vote for someone and someone who voted for me was getting selected :D
Meh, need more posting.
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k you're town.
It took a while to understand what you were saying in that last post but I've decided that Conq isn't feeding you those lines.
Congrats newbie.
btw I was lying.
Px is town. most likely.
Zak what was with that vote?
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##Unvote
##Vote ActionDan
I daikirai your hontou baka statements. Who does anata think is scum? Why does anata get to handwave your aho case as a reaction test?
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Naze does Conq kimochii the need to mamotte watakushi-sama?
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PX naze kimi not vote Shadoweh at the hajime just because nobody else is voting the onna?
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sorry Dormio I don't like cheap votes as much as you do
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Meh, need more posting.
Are anata saying that anata needs to post motte or that minna-san needs to post more?
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ActionDan hontou baka jyanaika?
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Who does anata think is scum?
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Dare can tasukete watakushi-sama? Watashi doesn't suki posting like this.
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I got the jist of it Dormio but I'm asking Zak a question atm.
I won't be voting BT or Serela. or you.
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Why would watakushi-sama care at all about who anata won't vote?
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Prison Cage Ate this Votecount
ActionDan: Darkoda, Dormio (2)
Affinity: (0)
BT: SasAmra-san, Dorian (2)
Conqueror: (0)
Darkoda: Serela, BT, Zakeri (3)
Dorian: NekoNekoRex (1)
Dormio: rawr, Shadoweh (2)
NekoNekoRex: (0)
PX: (0)
rawr: (0)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: PX, Conqueror (2)
Zakeri: (0)
With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
You have 70 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130130T21&p0=%3A&msg=End+of+D1) hours remaining.
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##Unvote
##Vote Dormio
I'm not even sure what's going on. I don't quite know who to vote.
but I do know Dormio's posting style is fucked up and should go away
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Why would watakushi-sama care at all about who anata won't vote?
I am not sure who to vote out of those I didn't just say I wasn't voting.
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Shin page needs shin votecount!
but I do know Dormio's posting style is fucked up and should go away
Kimi is tada jealous desu yo ne~☆
I am not sure who to vote out of those I didn't just say I wasn't voting.
Naze would watakushi-sama care?
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After a page of Dormio's posts my eyes are now crying for retribution.
That and I remember who shot me in Russia.
##Unvote Dan
##Vote Dormio
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Vote watakushi-sama all you want, demo it's zenzen unjustified~☆
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Meanwhile minna-san should actually be mitteing at ActionDan and his subarashii scumminess~☆
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dormio is likely not scum guys.
I look at Amra and shake my head. Shake my head. to the left and right. back and forth.
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Watakushi wonders if kimi is ever going to get some suteki not!town reads.
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Because you had the most insane reason to vote for someone and someone who voted for me was getting selected :D
k you're town.
It took a while to understand what you were saying in that last post but I've decided that Conq isn't feeding you those lines.
Congrats newbie.
... Processing ...
ERROR: 404 NOT FOUND
Query: [ACTlONDAN]
Why would I be feeding scum!Darkoda lines?
Naze does Conq kimochii the need to mamotte watakushi-sama?
... Processing ...
Switching to Module: Empathy Core
I recognize a fellow lost soul when I see one.
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:munch: :munch: NOT PLAYING :munch: :munch:
##Vote: Dormio
:munch: :munch: NOT PLAYING :munch: :munch:
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[18:36:19] A mysterious person appeared! I don't think he belongs here. I'm confused. Maybe he will go away if I hurt him?
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##Vote: Dormio
Hito that aren't a part of the geimu should just kieru!
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Conq if you were his scum buddy with daytalk. Telling him how to respond to the reaction test. But I doubt that. If you look carefully at his response he said he was going to vote one of the people wagonning him (newbtell means someone didn't tell him to say that) then he procedded to vote me because my reason for voting him looked the worst. very town response.
Don't you think so mien Conq?
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ActionDan hontou baka jyanaika?
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Google translate detected Basque
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seriously post a website that can translate that. and I won't have to guess your meanings.
I might not answer though If I figure it out. fair warning
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:munch: :munch: NOT PLAYING :munch: :munch:
##Vote: Dormio
:munch: :munch: NOT PLAYING :munch: :munch:
10/10 post will sheep
##unvote
##Vote dormio
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Conq if you were his scum buddy with daytalk. Telling him how to respond to the reaction test. But I doubt that. If you look carefully at his response he said he was going to vote one of the people wagonning him (newbtell means someone didn't tell him to say that) then he procedded to vote me because my reason for voting him looked the worst. very town response.
Don't you think so mien Conq?
Ahahaha. Of course you would ask for my opinion. I, the future Conqueror of this world, the King of kings. I will be generous just this once and grace you with my opinions. But we must keep our toes, for the Organization is always just around the corner.
I'm very curious as to why that is a very town response. OMGUS voting is a classic newbtell, but how is it a towntell? Actually, what I thought was curious about his explanation was that it boiled down to "your reason is the worst out of all the people voting me!" But really, shouldn't it be, "because there's no way your role pm says I'm scum, because I'm town?" Now, this doesn't mean that what Darkoda did was a scum response. It's rather null; it's one of those things newbies do. But really, I don't see how you can see what he's saying as a strong towntell. It reeks like lazy reasoning, like you're trying to force through a townread on him.
Not to mention you haven't done anything with your vote.
Are you an Organization Spy, Dan of Action? I see through your tricks! This is a Code Red, my friends. We've been infiltrated by the enemy!
##Unvote
##Vote: ActionDan
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Well That's why I asked the follow up question. He didn't come out and say "LIAR" which was what I was hoping for.
Still the two posts of his are town if you think a little deeper than that. First he's looking solely at the people voting him. That means that he's limiting himself to voting for those people. like you said that's a newbtell. But out of those people he is actively determining whose vote was worst. Obviously "reasoning" is a misused word that you are going to town with in your case against me, but if you simply adjust your understanding of that word to "bullshit" (because him OMGUSing his wagon means he automatically regards all the votes against him as bullshit) then both posts are consistant in showing a town mindset by actively trying to deduce who is scum.
Also your accusation about "using my vote" is pretty poor for you Conq when I've made a serious inquiry to Zak while the rest of everyone is still in RVS mode.
Also Conq if you believe I'm scum then you could have been able to deduce Darkoda's alignment from that connection to me immediately.
Yet you did not actually commit yourself to a read.
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Well That's why I asked the follow up question. He didn't come out and say "LIAR" which was what I was hoping for.
Still the two posts of his are town if you think a little deeper than that. First he's looking solely at the people voting him. That means that he's limiting himself to voting for those people. like you said that's a newbtell. But out of those people he is actively determining whose vote was worst. Obviously "reasoning" is a misused word that you are going to town with in your case against me, but if you simply adjust your understanding of that word to "bullshit" (because him OMGUSing his wagon means he automatically regards all the votes against him as bullshit) then both posts are consistant in showing a town mindset by actively trying to deduce who is scum.
(http://s19.postimage.org/gv25aa4cv/char_maizono2.png) And wouldn't a scum player in the same position also vote for the person voting them with the worst reasoning? After all, bad reasoning is easiest to attack. But even after that he switched so easily to Dormio for Dormio's RP. He showed absolutely no reaction to your confession. No anger, no confusion, no nothing. I'm not seeing how you deduce super town from what's in the thread, when it's not at all. To me, it's pretty null.
Also your accusation about "using my vote" is pretty poor for you Conq when I've made a serious inquiry to Zak while the rest of everyone is still in RVS mode.
Also Conq if you believe I'm scum then you could have been able to deduce Darkoda's alignment from that connection to me immediately.
Yet you did not actually commit yourself to a read.
(http://s19.postimage.org/xt15w4dqn/char_maizono4.png) I can make ~*serious inquiries*~ all day but they don't mean anything without the backing of a vote. Sniping people from the sidelines is the easiest thing ever to do as scum. And why would everyone else being in RVS mode matter anyway? (and it's not even true)
(http://s19.postimage.org/gts7gv2j3/char_maizono3.png) Why would scum!you imply anything about Darkoda's alignment? He could be newbtown that you're white knighting for town points, or newbscum in which case you two are trying to pull off a weird gambit in an attempt to get both of you read as town. I'm not going to commit myself to a read I don't have. So explain what you mean by this statement. Sounds like more posturing.
(http://s19.postimage.org/8uj981y1b/char_maizono8.png) If you want to call me scum, then come out with it. None of this wishy washy stuff.
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no I don't think you're scum Conq.
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your objections are what I expected.
However I read Darkcoda as town regardless. I simply just don't see his posts as scum posts. It is only a pity you don't feel the same way.
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I must say that I am impressed. That was an impressive post.
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I am glad I did not reflex vote you for #77
I will be here in awe for a while waiting for the other people to speak up
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I can make ~*serious inquiries*~ all day but they don't mean anything without the backing of a vote. Sniping people from the sidelines is the easiest thing ever to do as scum. And why would everyone else being in RVS mode matter anyway? (and it's not even true)
I actually disagree with this but it's neither here nor there.
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Damn, Bardiche is missing out.
He'd love this shit
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Damn, Bardiche is missing out.
He'd love this shit
Koto would also suki to vote you for this kuso~☆
Does PX have any kansou about ActionDan? Does PX have any riyuu for voting watakushi-sama?
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PX naze kimi not vote Shadoweh at the hajime just because nobody else is voting the onna?
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For the record it's impossible for Conq to be scum with daytalk feeding Darkoda with lines, because I am scum with daytalk feeding Darkoda lines, especially ones involving killing Dormio for the kawaii of the rengo that he is.
Well actually I think he's town now but somehow that hasn't lessened my urge to smack him. Dan prob-town too. Considering lynching someone else like Zak or NNR instead.
Conq there are no characters named Yuno in this game what are you doing
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Okay, I'm back with a stable connection again.
Basic thoughts;
-ActionDan's reaction test was kind of jacked up and cruel, and I don't like the fact he's towntelling people really easily, but other then that he actually doesn't seem all that scummy to me
-Dormio, as much as I love your little posting quirks (totally serious), this time around I actually have no idea what you're saying. Would you mind please giving us a way to translate it somehow, or adopting a more decipherable quirk?
-Conq's posts are kind of null so far and I can't really gut a read off of them.
-Shadoweh your most recent post is not very constructive also am I suddenly a policy lynch now?
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this wonderful
Is kore more suteki?
everyone really annoying desu yo ne
Minna-san should be honoured. This is hontou mendou desu you ne.
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I bet it is really annoying, Dormio! Why do you think we're having such a hard time translating ourselves?
If you're not going to keep that up, I suggest you adopt a quirk that at least uses English words. Romaji is hard to translate back into English, you know.
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anyone change the great and mighty Dormio
Nothing minna-san can say or do will kawaru how watakushi-sama speaks.
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Okay, I'm back with a stable connection again.
Basic thoughts;
-ActionDan's reaction test was kind of jacked up and cruel, and I don't like the fact he's towntelling people really easily, but other then that he actually doesn't seem all that scummy to me
-Dormio, as much as I love your little posting quirks (totally serious), this time around I actually have no idea what you're saying. Would you mind please giving us a way to translate it somehow, or adopting a more decipherable quirk?
-Conq's posts are kind of null so far and I can't really gut a read off of them.
-Shadoweh your most recent post is not very constructive also am I suddenly a policy lynch now?
No, I don't lynch off of policy, I just think you sound like scum. Sorry. Is there anyone you actually have a read on because all these of this points are null reads that mean nothing.
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Dormio: That is absolutely perfect.
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I sounded like scum based off my single RVS post? Please explain.
Considering there's only meaningful content from three people I don't have any definitive scum reads. Zak's vote is suspicious "I don't think ActionDan is lying for some reason" doesn't rub me right, although I guess I was just skeptical of ActionDan's gambit when I read it.
That and the above Shadoweh finding me scummy from my OP, which was basically "here's an RVS vote be back later" but then again I'm biased towards things about me.
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##Unvote Darkoda
##Vote NekoNekoRex
I'll hold off from explaining for now.
Conq is scum too. Ditto.
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Serela also sucks for pulling "wait till more people get here" when it was obvious I wanted to get an early read on him.
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Pollenated Votecount
ActionDan: Dormio, Conqueror (2)
Affinity: (0)
BT: Dorian (1)
Conqueror: (0)
Darkoda: Serela, Zakeri (2)
Dorian: NekoNekoRex (1)
Dormio: rawr, Shadoweh, SasAmra-san, Darkoda, PX (5) [L-3]
NekoNekoRex: BT (1)
PX: (0)
rawr: (0)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: (0)
Zakeri: (0)
With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
You have 59 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130130T21&p0=%3A&msg=End+of+D1) hours remaining.
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ActionDan being charmed into utter stupidity by Conq is novel, cute and amazing. It is also whatever without a vote. Being 'relieved' that he didn't reflexively vote Conq is really huh too when one can just unvote after being convinced.
##Vote: ActionDan
Dormio voted ActionDan for not having a vote. Why are people voting him for being incomprehensible when that much is obvious? This question is particularly aimed at Darkoda who was voting Dan in the first place.
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Stop being so tryhard. Nothing wrong with how Dan replied to that, and most people are voting Dormio because they don't know what he's saying, not because they disagree with him (you can't disagree if you don't understand).
What do you think of Conq's posts?
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Tryhard wrong word. Uptight? Maybe.
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you horrible still desu
Does that mean that anata is excusing ActionDan for the hidoi act of mada failing to give us a single not!town read desu?
what you
Nani does kimi think of ActionDan?
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Town.
Reading me town correctly in the first 24 hours fits well with him meta. He's reading into posts and his posts read town in general. I don't think him not giving out scumreads is that bad seeing as he was mostly occupied with Conq and this is the kind of accusation that doesn't work so early anyway.
Any other reads?
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In case that's not clear, YOUR reads.
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Don't leave me hanging like this. I'm clearly hyper.
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I must say that I am impressed. That was an impressive post.
Indeed, impressive enough to seep it.
Now earnestly, this interpretation (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg941575.html#msg941575) is so one sided that I having doubts about your objectivity here. Good I wouldn't use an OMGUS vote in RVS as a scum tell against a newbe but isn't it not quite too far to call it a town tell? Have you ever considered that supposed buddies would help him establishing a newbtown impression? Isn't that not actually what you are doing right now? Are there even questions left that Conq had not asked already?
##Vote: ActionDan
I hate my timing
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I know I've forgotten something,
##Unvote
##Vote: ActionDan
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Seriously now?
Honestly Dorian your response is probably the worst. Commenting on nothing else & that "have you considered this?" line.
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Your lord and savior you I probably
Watakushi-sama will deign to put kimi above the other things that watashi should tabun actually be doing.
Your sovereign hate
Watakushi-sama very daikirai PX-kun right now.
Someone better than you desu I probably I
Watakushi-sama thinks that PX-kun is very useless desu. Watashi also thinks that PX-kun is tabun capable of doing much more than voting for watashi based solely on my speech.
your newfound god amazing desu yo ne
In fact watakushi-sama would even say that it is sugoi opportunistic to scummy desu yo ne.
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your newfound god amazing and desu yo ne
In fact watakushi-sama would even say that it is sugoi opportunistic to scummy desu yo ne.
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You disagree with my post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg941772.html#msg941772)? I don't get your reason for suspecting PX either.
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ActionDan being charmed into utter stupidity by Conq is novel, cute and amazing. It is also whatever without a vote. Being 'relieved' that he didn't reflexively vote Conq is really huh too when one can just unvote after being convinced.
##Vote: ActionDan
Dormio voted ActionDan for not having a vote. Why are people voting him for being incomprehensible when that much is obvious? This question is particularly aimed at Darkoda who was voting Dan in the first place.
So I take it you are voting me soley for not having a vote down?
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You disagree with my post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg941772.html#msg941772)?
yes problem
Sou. Do you have mondai with that?
I don't get your reason for suspecting PX either.
look
Let's mitte at PX's posts.
tells everyone dislikes what beginning
First off PX tsutaerus minna-san that he kirais Shadoweh, but he doesn't vote her. For naze reason? That nobody is voting her at the hajime of the game.
next not
Tsugi PX follows this up with a vote on Shadoweh after clearing ActionDan and Darkoda for nai reason.
next the great one the great one's marvellous
Tsugi PX finally votes for watakushi-sama for no reason other than watakushi-sama no kakkoii posting style.
I amazing desu yo ne~☆
Watashi think that this is sugoi scummy desu yo ne~☆
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BT is #1 obv-town after the "conq is scum" post
Px is town if Darkoda is town.
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how amazing
Naze is ActionDan reaching these subarashii conclusions?
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be more specific which conclusion dost thou detest
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be more specific which conclusion dost thou detest
I talk both desu I more
Plural means watashi is tsutaeru about futari desu. But watashi is motto interested in the second.
the almighty Dormio sleep
Whatever. Watakushi-sama is going to neru.
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Indeed, impressive enough to seep it.
Now earnestly, this interpretation (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg941575.html#msg941575) is so one sided that I having doubts about your objectivity here. Good I wouldn't use an OMGUS vote in RVS as a scum tell against a newbe but isn't it not quite too far to call it a town tell? Have you ever considered that supposed buddies would help him establishing a newbtown impression? Isn't that not actually what you are doing right now? Are there even questions left that Conq had not asked already?
##Vote: ActionDan
I hate my timing
Well since you seem to have read me and Conq you might also have read that I have explicitly stated that I didn't think his buddies were helping with that at all. His lines are quite noobish, and I don't think an experienced mafia player could help make them up.
I feel that you are working hard to vote me and it shows when you put up the flimsy sentences that make up your post. It's scummy.
Oh Dormio! Well If you must know my secrets when I town-read people it's that Px didn't have to commit to town-reading me + Darkoda. And BT is too bold for scum calling Conq scum after Conq's wall post.
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Anata ga hontou baka jyanaika?
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Anata ga hontou baka jyanaika?
Quoting for Posterity.
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Eh, Dan, you're still around. Help me with this NNR vote.
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I give Dormio 24 hours till he drops that PR on his own accord.
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Serela also sucks for pulling "wait till more people get here" when it was obvious I wanted to get an early read on him.
If you seriously think you and me poking eachother repeatedly before anyone else posted can do -anything- helpful, I don't know what to say. :T That'd just be a waste of time and energy.
I'm not really a big fan of "these two guys are scum. I'm not going to tell you why yet, though", but as long as you actually tell us in the near future it's fine? o: On the other hand though, I do, however, think it's really weird that you're all hyper and posting a whole bunch and telling people to post more so you can talk to them, yet you apparently would rather not use all this energy to tell us about, you know, your actual scumreads >_>;;
Dormio is being difficult to understand but apart from that he looks really town. AD's shenanigans are making me lean town enough that I'd rather not lynch him today, but I'm not passing him a clear; I'd rather wait to see how he acts in the future with non-gambity stuff that could forseeably go either way. All the same I can't exactly blame the people voting him either (Especially considering it's ED1 and there's not much else to go on)
And BT is too bold for scum calling Conq scum after Conq's wall post.
But but but last game D:
Actually, really, I think BT is the only person I'm feeling as scum in any kind of notable manner right now. Reasoning on this=first two paragraphs in this post (More the second one, though, really)
##unvote ##Vote BT
cut:With the possible growing interest in NNR votes I think I may as well give my opinion on him, which is a large resounding null. His current posts are reasonable although nothing interesting/insightful/effortful enough to be particularly townie, while still having nothing much that looks scummy when you consider it's ed1
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I understand your vote BT but I think NNR is leaning town, I don't believe his posts carry any weight however (which is where I'm assuming you are getting your scum-read from).
as is shadoweh, no joke.
Serela that was a terrible terrible post, but I'm not sure that that is scum-you. BT is clearly clearly town this game.
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I'm not really a big fan of "these two guys are scum. I'm not going to tell you why yet, though", but as long as you actually tell us in the near future it's fine? o: On the other hand though, I do, however, think it's really weird that you're all hyper and posting a whole bunch and telling people to post more so you can talk to them, yet you apparently would rather not use all this energy to tell us about, you know, your actual scumreads >_>;;
I'm giving this some time. There's a good chance my reasons won't make sense if I share them now, so that's my rationale here.
I don't believe his posts carry any weight however (which is where I'm assuming you are getting your scum-read from).
This isn't it.
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Uhh change "won't make sense" to "lose their effectiveness" I guess.
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##Unvote
dormio lives to see another day.
I'm new to this so I can't make reads all that well but hey.
##Vote BT
if there's anyone that's looking suspicious it's BT for not sharing his reasoning.
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##Unvote
dormio lives to see another day.
I'm new to this so I can't make reads all that well but hey.
##Vote BT
if there's anyone that's looking suspicious it's BT for not sharing his reasoning.
Please parse the following:
Darkoda, Me, Conq
Give me your thoughts.
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See, I'm not even sure what parse means within context. But Darkoda hasn't really done anything, you've just been calling people as town, and afai can tell conq is just having a slapfight with you.
from what little mafia experience I have, scum tend to accuse others of scum to divert suspicion, not confirm others as innocent. Of course, that puts suspicion on me as well, but I'm reasonably sure you're town Dan.
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^IMO townpost
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Zak what was with that vote?
It was a votepark, mostly.
##Unvote: Darkoda
despite obviously being a murderer that wants to kill all of us, I can't really see lies or misintentions in Conqueror's vote towards Dan.
Serela that was a terrible terrible post, but I'm not sure that that is scum-you. BT is clearly clearly town this game.
I actually found Serela's post agreeable. Can you tell me what was wrong with it besides disagreeing with the conclusion?
I'm giving this some time. There's a good chance my reasons won't make sense if I share them now, so that's my rationale here.
That's a blatant lie and y-
Uhh change "won't make sense" to "lose their effectiveness" I guess.
Oh, that makes sense. As far as reasons to not share reasoning goes, this is the only one that could potentially be town-sourced.
##Vote: ActionDan since his attack on Serela seems too disjointed to me.
Null read on BT right now, but I'm more inclined to agree with Serela's read than anything.
Edit: Actually, my experience as mafia tells me that calling random townies town is just as likely a scum move to get more allies while at the same time not pushing wagons that you can be held accountable for, and also manage to appear like you're actually being analytical when you aren't. It's mostly forgivable on Day one when all of anybody's reads are mostly bullshit anyways, but I don't agree that it's a call for a town read on that person.
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The "edit" refers to Sam's post.
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Did I walk into a setup where Dan can only make town reads and BT can only make scum reads? Almost feels like BT and Dan read as masonbuddies.
Gut and Logic are clashing on Dan. Gut wants to say Dan's posts read town, Logic makes me wonder what the hell he's doing with all those town reads and not trying to get someone lynched. Dan seems to be giving everyone too much credit for their posts. Eh, I'm just going to follow SasA's reasoning for this.
BT reminds me, surprisingly, of Scum!Serela. He's pointing scum in all directions while his current vote is probably the dumbest one of all the choices he has. He Town!Dan read is contradictory, defending him for having a bunch of town reads before everyone is post-RVS, and not criticizing him after plenty of people have posted. Other irks are that BT calls Affinity uptight while also being a prude about Dormio's (now readable) posting quirk.
Waiting patiently on that Shadoweh post.
Serela is fine today, like her BT vote
Still not happy with Zak. For :reasons and gut:. Might vote him later if I still don't like him later and I got nothing else.
Oh, and here's a long overdue ##Unvote. I'd vote BT, but with the masons suspicion and his incredibly mysterious Caseless Vote on me, I think I'll wait warmly without a vote.
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Personal note:
If BT's held off reasoning is a gambit that relies on me noticing how stupid his vote is for not having a reason, then I guess good job, you succeeded?
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Conspiracy Theory:
Action Dan and BT look like masonbuddies because they are actually the same person, as evidenced by the fact both their nicknames combine to form into "ActionDan"
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I'm trying to avoid that level of metathought on day one, simply to keep myself sane, but that thought did cross my mind.
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...if you're talking about the crack theory of ActionDan and BT being the same person I'm going to facedesk :C
I'm liking NNR's latest posts, after taking out the multiple conspiracy theories, at least.
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##Vote Zakeri
Vote park on a noob I was calling confirmed scum pushing the wagon to L-2.
*Doesn't say anything about reaction test or it's results produced*
*Attempt to spurt out a few lines going 'actually in my experience scum call people town to get them on their side'*
And frankly Serela's reasonings were bad ones to lay down a vote on BT.
I'll quote the parts which are bad.
If you seriously think you and me poking eachother repeatedly before anyone else posted can do -anything- helpful, I don't know what to say. :T That'd just be a waste of time and energy.
no
On the other hand though, I do, however, think it's really weird that you're all hyper and posting a whole bunch and telling people to post more so you can talk to them, yet you apparently would rather not use all this energy to tell us about, you know, your actual scumreads >_>;;
ok but that isn't scummy
All the same I can't exactly blame the people voting him either (Especially considering it's ED1 and there's not much else to go on)
unrelated but bad
Actually, really, I think BT is the only person I'm feeling as scum in any kind of notable manner right now. Reasoning on this=first two paragraphs in this post (More the second one, though, really)
##unvote ##Vote BT
for bad logic
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actually when I read NNR's posts again he
A.Isn't voting at all right now
B.Apparently actually was being serious about the mason crack theory
Uhhhhhhhhh
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Yeah this isn't going to work out. I wanted to give this some time but it's not worth it if this is going to happen.
I disliked NNR for behavioral reasons -- he seemed timid and cautious which is a big slap to the face when you consider Town!NNR. Slightly less now, though there's still one big thing that didn't change -- he won't commit to a vote.
I'll just quote from the post I wrote up but didn't publish:
Scumjerk at NNR's #89. And his #91, in fact. Why are you so friendly?
No seriously, #95 "please explain" does not sound like "in your face" Town!NNR at all.
I'd have expected him to vote Shadoweh instead of whining about no definitive scumreads. Your vote is still a RVS vote you scumderp.
It's pretty obvious now that I didn't go through with this because I thought seeing how he'd continue without me pointing this out is worthwhile but it clearly isn't.
I was actually planning to vote Conq, but changed to NNR pre-publish because I thought I'd get some reactions out of him at this early hour. I was originally going to push Conq for his Dan vote:
Don't particularly care for the Darkoda discussion, but he's voting Dan in #77 for not thinking it through. My Town!Conq isn't an illogical conspirator.
##Unvote Darkoda
##Vote Conqueror
Which meas Dan (bad vote) and Darkoda ("nop, not town") get the compulsory townwave. Dan reads town anyway.
I got the impression Conq was being intentionally dense with "you're trying to force through a townread", aside from the fact that it was a stretch.
(http://s19.postimage.org/gv25aa4cv/char_maizono2.png) And wouldn't a scum player in the same position also vote for the person voting them with the worst reasoning? After all, bad reasoning is easiest to attack. But even after that he switched so easily to Dormio for Dormio's RP. He showed absolutely no reaction to your confession. No anger, no confusion, no nothing. I'm not seeing how you deduce super town from what's in the thread, when it's not at all. To me, it's pretty null.
The last part reads like he accepts the fact that he deduced it that way (disagreement), but he voted Dan for faking the deduction. It's inconsistent.
Conq made some good points... that were irrelevant to his vote on Dan. The vote is the problem. I doubt he'd have stuck his vote there as town.
That sentiment was a lot stronger in the morning, though. He might be town with a rocky start (comparable to Angel Beats! D1, if he really was trying to scumhunt then). I think I like the NNR vote more, or Dorian. I seem to be the only one to comment on his mediocre entrance.
Dan: Not sure about Zak. Didn't give me any scummy vibes. Do you still think NNR is town?
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One more thing about Zak / Serela: I agree that Serela's vote was pretty bad but in this case not alignment-indicative. Same goes for Zak for sheeping it. I didn't think I'd get maimed while I wait for scum reactions. (wouldn't be worthwhile for the town if I'd get all the attention for it)
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Wake up prod dodge, just saying screw you Dormio
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Other irks are that BT calls Affinity uptight while also being a prude about Dormio's (now readable) posting quirk.
I think I might still be using the wrong word here. Anyway, that last part never happened, so I don't know where this came from.
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...okay. Well, in that case. BT doesn't look like scum at all. :T (Would like Zak update on BT as well after the reasoning reveal)
##Unvote
NNR what is with the mason suspicion. Like, seriously. I thought you were joking until you said later that you weren't voting BT because you thought he might be a mason, which boggles my mind. Also waiting reaction to BT reasoning etc
Rawr/PX need to exist. Come play with us guys :c Shadoweh/Darkoda need to get into the real game too now that we're getting somewhere instead of RVS but Shadoweh's been posting so I imagine when she has the time she'll pop up.
And I'd like a votecount :D
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Seriously now?
Honestly Dorian your response is probably the worst. Commenting on nothing else & that "have you considered this?" line.
Patience, all in good time. I would like to see you making a better case after a full night shift, and getting frustrated that Conq had already addressed everything I could have said about it. Actually would I like to see you making a better case than ?hey this guy has just null reads so far?. Oh look, I voting someone who has just town reads so far and I'm already ?overjoyed? by the prospect that he'll use this to PoE his way through the game.
@ActionDan: I know what you said but it doesn't matter if I think that you would be ?the buddy? helping him, cause that's what my ?flimsy sentences? implicates.
Now quick cause I'm running out of time:
I'm still not sure if I understand Dormio but I think that I like his PX case. PX first post made me hope that he finally gave up on his ?jump on the biggest wagon for progress? approach but it seems that I was mistaken.
I think BT is town, even when think that his Tryhard / Uptight point fits him better than anyone else at the moment but that's just annoying not scummy.
PS: I see that Zak posted and Dan has a vote now but that has to wait cause I'm already late.
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I'm surprised this clarification is needed, but: my response to Affinity wasn't an accusation. Like, at all. <_< It means I felt his vote was for the wrong reasons, regardless to alignment.
Dorian, it's more the fact that your post was underwhemling overall. Can you restate your reasons for voting Dan and apply his recent posts?
Also: Explain what's wrong with PX's vote. Refer to these posts:
##Vote Darkoda
I would vote Shadoweh a second for always doing this stuff every game but she has no votes
Also, no he's [Darkoda] not scum. But for now, neither are you.
##Unvote
##Vote Shadoweh
Begone, foul knave.
I do agree about rawr, though! I saw him on the forums earlier.
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I guess I could see how BT would be suspicious . At that point [#89] I didn't have any definitive scumreads, which is what I usually go for in a vote. I was going to / may still vote Shadoweh if I didn't like his response however..
On the case of "not voting BT right away" I guess I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt his reasoning would be actually worthwhile.
Also enjoy Dormio and his mafia quirks (they amuse me) even though I constantly want to lynch him for trying to lynch me. It's not like my posts have any clear reads on him. That a problem?
Anyway I guess BT's gambit paid off because I certainly think his suspicions look a bit better (although I'm still concerned with his weird buddying with Dan)
BT where are your voting priorities right now? You said I look better and then you went to write a post on Conq but your vote hasn't changed.
Anyways Dan put my suspicions on Zak into words better then I ever could have had I actually decided to write them out, so I think I'm going to sheep his reasoning and ##Vote: Zakeri
@Serela: It's not really a crack theory, I'm genuinely irked by how buddy-buddy they publicly are.
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Ok Dorian, your reasoning for implicating me stems from your belief that I am Dark's buddy and was coaching him to react appropriately to the reaction test.
If that were the case why didn't he just call me a liar straight off the bat? (That would have been the towniest response and one I would have advised him to adopt)
btw I am thinking Amra town. That was too genuine imo not to be.
@BT I'm still leaning town on NNR.
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You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.
Ah, beautiful bliss. Someone tell me when Dormio finally stops doing that, it's seriously fucking annoying. It's either ignore Dormio or just stop playing because I don't want to if he keeps doing that.
BT is town.
##Unvote
##Vote: NNR
He's throwing out reads, and clear "I don't like" reads, but he's not voting because of bullshit conspiracy theory reasons. This is a complete scum stance as this allows him to jump his vote wherever he wants.
Darkoda and Amra read townish enough for now, since their posts seem sincere enough. Note this may be subject to change later on.
Serela: Anything else you'd like to share on? After you giving up on BT all I see are a bunch of nullreads.
Affinity's vote and reasoning I don't like at all. Would like another post.
Dorian's vote onto ActionDan is pretty damn bad as well, your reasoning does not stand at all. I don't see how you're suspecting Dan to be his buddy. It's a completely baseless suspicion and I need some clarification.
3 cuts
NNR:
1)Throw baseless suspicion
2)Someone else post reasons
3)Sheep so people can't complain about lack of vote
##Vote NNR Harder
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Oh, and please don't kill Rawr
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I was just going to comment about throwing rawr down the well in the meantime.
NNR: Slightly better, yes. That's about it, though, and my first impression is still a first impression.
I feel like PX was tryhard like this in AGoM D1 too, but that's kind of stupid to fling around now. His post is good.
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I don't think I've ever seen PX this town in my life
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Serela: Anything else you'd like to share on? After you giving up on BT all I see are a bunch of nullreads.
My continuous poking at NNR was supposed to imply I think he's really suspicious but I wasn't terribly clear about it maybe
I wasn't voting him just yet because he was probably going to be responding to pretty important things within a very short time from my post so I figured I should wait for that rather then fling my vote all over the place.
Sheep-jumping onto Zak really isn't a flattering way for him to follow up.
##Vote NNR
Also yeah PX is +++ would sheep again, except I already said a decent bit of what he said about NNR myself, so I can still feel good about my vote :D
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I don't think PX is as overwhelmingly town as you make him out to be, but if NNR flips scum it's definitely to his favor.
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And now I'm lost. Gonna take a bit figure this one out =_=
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We're going to lynch rawr instead if he doesn't make up for this lurking.
It's cool Darkoda, just remember that you're looking for shady individuals that have their sights set on survival. Reading some guides might help if you haven't. If all else fails, sheep to us!
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Serela/NNR sheeping is a thing and i would lynch them at this point.
@Actiondan, why the reaction-test on darkoda over amra? im just curious about it really
and dodged making next post now
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Votecount incoming in like an hour when I get home.
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Im going to assume BT/Actiondan are town atm. i could not really see scum drawing this much attention as they are now.
Zakeri vote on actiondan is incredibly odd right now.
@Zakeri, can you clarify your vote on actiondan abit more? what part of actiondans post following serela post was an actual attack?
Also still dont think dormio is town. i think the way hes posting is just making people draw attention away from him at this point.
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im also thinking zakeris post against actiondan is also some kind of soft attack on BT since he did agree with serelas post or something
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##Unvote
##Vote: NNR
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i have no idea how many votes nnr has. i hope that wasnt a hammer
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Uhhh all that talk about Zak and you vote NNR?
(Majority is 8 votes and you're #4 so not even close.)
What do you think of Conq?
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Actually nevermind, you're not really accusing Zak too much. Just the second question please.
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Don't particularly care for the Darkoda discussion, but he's voting Dan in #77 for not thinking it through. My Town!Conq isn't an illogical conspirator.
The last part reads like he accepts the fact that he deduced it that way (disagreement), but he voted Dan for faking the deduction. It's inconsistent.
Conq made some good points... that were irrelevant to his vote on Dan. The vote is the problem. I doubt he'd have stuck his vote there as town.
Uh, what? Not sure what you're saying here at all even after rereading. The point about Dan is that he was using bad reasoning to arrive at a town read. I can usually follow Dan's logic pretty well, so I know the general gist of what he's saying. I just think it's bad logic (and it's still a bad clear even now). Dan's not the kind of person who fakes a read using asspulls without backup as scum; he pulls up info to back it up that falls apart when you look closely at it. It's the difference between competent scum and lolscum.
Just curious, if I'm not town now, what would I have done with my vote as town? Keep voteparked on Shadoweh?
Anyway that's irrelevant now because he looks pretty town atm. Making another post but getting this out first so you can respond while you're here.
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I'm not arguing with your reasons for thinking it was a bad clear. I'm thinking you gave his act of pushing that townread too much weight -- you seemed quite confident that Dan was bullshitting that read when the reasons for that confidence weren't there.
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I also thought your tone in the second post backed up the fact that it wasn't that severe. So it felt odd that you left the vote as it was without some comment on how it's just a hunch or how it could just be a bad clear from town or ~anything~.
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This post is somewhat of a tangent but:
Well, given that Dan instantly caved in to my superior reasoning I'd like to think that my confidence wasn't misplaced. 8)
Pedit: Actually that's just my normal conversational tone when I'm not overexcited. As for commenting when I'm not sure on my scumreads, I usually don't comment on the possibility of my cases being wrong because that's pretty self-explanatory? It was something that piqued my interest at the time so I pursued it.
Anyone could be bad town; if I comment after every suspicion about how the person could just be bad town I'd sound like Serela. :3
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ebwop: especially not that early in the game
anyway back to my real post
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And frankly Serela's reasonings were bad ones to lay down a vote on BT.
I'll quote the parts which are bad.
no
ok but that isn't scummy
unrelated but bad
for bad logic
Thanks for the helpful explanations.
The first one can be used to supplement a case but not start it.
For the Second, even though it's stepped in meta, it's a decent case to make, and was actually the part of the post that won me over to Serela's side.
Seeing BT's come clean post; BT isn't scum, Serela still isn't scum for pinging BT as scum when he did
Actiondan overreacting to Serela still has chance of being scum.
@Zakeri, can you clarify your vote on actiondan abit more? what part of actiondans post following serela post was an actual attack?
im also thinking zakeris post against actiondan is also some kind of soft attack on BT since he did agree with serelas post or something
I quoted his post 124 for a reason. I didn't like it because when I read it it seemed like he was attacking Serela because Serela made a case on BT- not for actually disagreeing with the case, but because it was on BT. Right now, I want to see more of his reasoning for what he said.
of course, now that I've reread it, I see that he said in the quote he wasn't actually thinking Serela was scum for it, but the fact that he didn't have a vote down at the time makes it harder to actually pin responsibility for the attack to him. That makes him scummy.
Also, yes it was a soft attack against BT, but I've retracted that as of this post.
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How do I put this to words?
I don't think the manner in which you voted Dan is proportionate to the severity of what he actually did, conversational tone or not. Things like
Not to mention you haven't done anything with your vote.
and
So explain what you mean by this statement. Sounds like more posturing.
are kind of tacked on here. You were trying to build a something from nothing.
Actiondan overreacting to Serela still has chance of being scum.
I quoted his post 124 for a reason. I didn't like it because when I read it it seemed like he was attacking Serela because Serela made a case on BT- not for actually disagreeing with the case, but because it was on BT. Right now, I want to see more of his reasoning for what he said.
of course, now that I've reread it, I see that he said in the quote he wasn't actually thinking Serela was scum for it, but the fact that he didn't have a vote down at the time makes it harder to actually pin responsibility for the attack to him. That makes him scummy.
I think you're kind of grasping here. Criticizing because the vote was on me isn't scummy and he was ~present~ enough that a vote didn't really matter. And you just said he didn't want to vote Serela so where would that vote be?
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Why is sheeping automatically bad? I can't gut someone and then follow it up with a vote later? I even said "I may vote him later if I have nobody else" and I even have good reasons to vote him (alebit it's reasons Dan made, but still)
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##Unvote
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
A lot of what he's doing feels like fluff.
BT reminds me, surprisingly, of Scum!Serela. He's pointing scum in all directions while his current vote is probably the dumbest one of all the choices he has. He Town!Dan read is contradictory, defending him for having a bunch of town reads before everyone is post-RVS, and not criticizing him after plenty of people have posted. Other irks are that BT calls Affinity uptight while also being a prude about Dormio's (now readable) posting quirk.
Like this paragraph is just a mess. How is BT similar to scum!Serela? Which directions is BT pointing scum in, and what are his better choices in your opinion? What's contradictory about BT's town!Dan read?
The rest of his posting feels like passive lurker hunting, especially given his latest vote on Zak.
I think Zak is kinda silly but not really scummy atm.
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Why is sheeping automatically bad? I can't gut someone and then follow it up with a vote later? I even said "I may vote him later if I have nobody else" and I even have good reasons to vote him (alebit it's reasons Dan made, but still)
What was stopping you from voting him before Dan made a case you could jump onto?
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I was more interested in what BT had to say about me.
Speaking of which, BT, when are you going to answer my question. I feel the need to point out now that your original reasons for the vote on me are based on meta. And meta is bad.
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Not to mention you haven't done anything with your vote.
He pulled a gambit with Darkoda, unvoted halfway through, and then when it was over left himself hanging without a vote while he softly pressed Zakeri. Sounds pretty accurate to me. :V But I guess me and Dan probably have a theory disagreement here. I happen to believe that hanging votes are useless because all town has is votes, and therefore it's scummy to leave your vote around doing nothing when it could be doing something.
So explain what you mean by this statement. Sounds like more posturing.
That was referring to this:
Also Conq if you believe I'm scum then you could have been able to deduce Darkoda's alignment from that connection to me immediately.
Which I tore apart with this.
Why would scum!you imply anything about Darkoda's alignment? He could be newbtown that you're white knighting for town points, or newbscum in which case you two are trying to pull off a weird gambit in an attempt to get both of you read as town.
So I dunno, I still agree with my previous assessment. 8)
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NNR, could you address my #173? It's not meta.
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##Unvote
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
A lot of what he's doing feels like fluff.Like this paragraph is just a mess. How is BT similar to scum!Serela? Which directions is BT pointing scum in, and what are his better choices in your opinion? What's contradictory about BT's town!Dan read?
Well he has had a nice few paragraphs on you, for one. A lot of his posts were critical of other people (Dorian, you, Dormio, Serela) while he stuck his vote on me for no clear reason (which is what I call Scum!Serela doing). His read on Dan were contradictory for the reason I stated. He said Dan's town reads were fine because it was early game, but he failed to note Dan was still only townhunting after there was more players.
BT's posts sound on the fence about me, having no clear scumread, which I don't like, yet his vote persists.
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Petrified Votecount
ActionDan: Dormio, Affinity, Dorian, Zakeri (4)
Affinity: (0)
BT: SasAmra-san (1)
Conqueror: (0)
Darkoda: (0)
Dorian: (0)
Dormio: Shadoweh, Darkoda (2)
NekoNekoRex: BT, PX, Serela, rawr, Conqueror (5) [L-3]
PX: (0)
rawr: (0)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: (0)
Zakeri: ActionDan, NekoNekoRex (2)
With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
You have 46 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130130T21&p0=%3A&msg=End+of+D1) hours remaining.
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EBWOP: I recall Scum!Serela throwing around accusations a lot, not having baseless votes.
Granted my memory is probably fuzzy because I don't think much about meta.
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NNR, give me your own summary of why Zak is scum. None of this Dan said it first stuff
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I was more interested in what BT had to say about me.
Speaking of which, BT, when are you going to answer my question. I feel the need to point out now that your original reasons for the vote on me are based on meta. And meta is bad.
I thought I did? That I still banked on my original impression + your extended unhelpfulness pointing to you!scum.
Though I might switch to Zak (recently) or Conq. Dorian, maybe, but I'm not sure about that one now.
8)
Again, you're going over why you were in the right but that is kind of irrelevant to me. I mean, your posts are nice and tidy and Dan already summed that up with his shock and awe. I'm not going to be able to catch you!scum on that front. Thankfully there's the motivational front, and I don't think townie motivation is the one that made you jump on Dan. Not strong enough for a wagon, but I've got my eye on you. B(
His read on Dan were contradictory for the reason I stated. He said Dan's town reads were fine because it was early game, but he failed to note Dan was still only townhunting after there was more players.
Actually, if you read carefully, I said his town reads were fine period. Dormio's accusation of "he's not hunting for scum" wouldn't hold up unless it was a running theme during a decent bulk of the game. Lo and behold, Dan has some scumreads now.
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By the way, Conq, these replies aren't changing my mind about that. I feel like you're aware of the fact I can't win content-wise and taking advantage of it. :(
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By the way, Conq, these replies aren't changing my mind about that. I feel like you're aware of the fact I can't win content-wise and taking advantage of it. :(
What better townie motivation is there than pushing forward a serious vote to start some real discussion in the game? Honestly, sometimes I think the meta here favours doing nothing for the first 48 hours of D1 and then rushing at the end of the day to jump on anyone that sounds funny. Proactiveness ain't appreciated properly. Doesn't help that in recent games it was the scum being proactive.
As for what I'm doing, I'm just trying to push you in the right direction, since scumreading me will just be a waste of your time when the game progresses. So I'm saving you the trouble of paranoia. :)
Well he has had a nice few paragraphs on you, for one. A lot of his posts were critical of other people (Dorian, you, Dormio, Serela) while he stuck his vote on me for no clear reason (which is what I call Scum!Serela doing). His read on Dan were contradictory for the reason I stated. He said Dan's town reads were fine because it was early game, but he failed to note Dan was still only townhunting after there was more players.
BT's posts sound on the fence about me, having no clear scumread, which I don't like, yet his vote persists.
NNR: When you posted that blurb his reasoning for Conq/Serela/Dorian/Dormio scum was pretty minimal as well, and half of those were just pokes anyway. BT already addressed the townread thing. What's fencesitty about BT's posts on you given his explanation after the fact?
More importantly, what parts of Dan's Zak reasoning were you sheeping?
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On BT: He said I looked a bit better and didn't come up with a non-meta reason until the second time I poked him on it.
I had bad gut on Zak since Dan's reaction test since Zak jumped on Dakoda and believed Dan far too easily. His vote on Dan is kind of weak ("I have a contrary opinion on reads, and your "attack" (it's hardly even a poke) is bad) Dan didn't even have a vote down until voting Zak, so it seems like an awful stretch of an accusation.
Then he uses WIFOM to justify voting further.
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Note that I don't exactly have much to go on in terms of scumreads, unless everyone is expecting me to suddenly turn my read on BT around. Zak is my only scumread and Shadoweh is fuck-knows-where so I can't vote him either.
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Rawr:You do realize me sheeping PX was a half-joke, right? If you look at my posts my vote on NNR was very telegraphed. I had been prodding him and commenting on him a lot beforehand and even said a couple of the points that PX said about him myself (Which I mentioned in the post where I voted NNR)
Rawr jumping on NNR without mentioning him in any posts beforehand is a thing too. Big frownface at him for jumping on the emerging wagon without even having mentoined NNR and for saying he wants me lynched for sheeping when I was barely even sheeping.
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I'm considering vote-switching to rawr. It feels like a hit-and-run posting considering he's often pretty lurky, where he makes a baseless jump onto NNR's wagon and then, this seeming to go mostly unnoticed, doesn't come back to have attention drawn to him until he has to avoid the next prod.
I'm proooobably getting ahead of myself here though because it's only d1 and it hasn't been that long since he posted. But the incredibly blatant wagonhop is terrible. And it feels like he wasn't even reading my posts, rather then skimming then and saw "sheep", considering in the same or next sentence I explained why it wasn't reaaaally one.
Actually wait why am I worrying about consolidation when, wow, we've actually made this much progress only one RL day into d1! Hey, that's pretty cool. Somehow I was thinking we must have been a lot further into d1 and so it'd be better to stick on wagon because I like it. derp.
##unvote ##Vote Rawr
NNR is still would-lynch and the next person I'd vote, if consolidation time comes around (Still almost 2 entire days left before deadline) rawr!voting hasn't caught on I'm more then happy to switch back.
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yeah no, NNR is probably not scum.
If I figure out concrete reasons for that I'll let you know
Also I believe Serela to be town now
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Rawr jumping on NNR without mentioning him in any posts beforehand is a thing too.
yo dog that was my first actual post
I had been prodding him
your prods involved talking about his "crak theory", do you realize how bad that sounds?
even said a couple of the points that PX said about him myself
no you didnt prior to px post and why do i care if you parroted px post?
@BT, i read conq like a read huhwhat. town until i have actual reason to think hes scum. too many :words:
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then skimming then and saw "sheep", considering in the same or next sentence I explained why it wasn't reaaaally one.
if youd like i can break down what i saw for you
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no you didnt prior to px post and why do i care if you parroted px post?
um... yes I did?
I need to go take the dog out, I'll elaborate on my "yes" here in a minute.
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I voted Dan because he was languishing around doing cute stuff without putting a vote, what else is there? And if people were to vote for things solely on the basis that they don't understand it, death awaits at the end for all of us. But lo, behold, his Zakeri case.
I certainly don't get NNR's vote priorities since he has been talking far more about BT than Zakeri. I don't think parroting is as bad as alleged, but he needs to clarify how Zakeri is worse. I still think him town however; after all, what was stopping him from voting BT in the first place?
@rawr: How is Dormio's posting style drawing people away from him when it is plainly the opposite?
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In the meantime, let me do this.
##Unvote
##Vote: rawr
Explanations when I'm free after like 8 hours of consecutive lessons. Basically NNR jump (he clears Dan and BT for attracting attention, but how is NNR not attracting attention at all? Same goes for Dormio).
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I give Dormio 24 hours till he drops that PR on his own accord.
the greatest Dormio refuse
Watakushi-sama kotowaru!
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/NNR sheeping
Oooooh right.
Okay, I retract my point that you didn't even mention him. It's still a barebones wagon hop though.
As for the other part
but he's not voting because of bullshit conspiracy theory reasons.
I poke NNR all >:C?-like in post 139 and 144 about the ridiculous theory and how he's not voting because of it. Since PX posted before NNR responded though I never got to get to the part where I talk about my conclusion with this though, he kinda beat me to it :/
There was about a second that I thought NNR was town but then I looked at his post again and saw the stuff that was horribly wrong with it (in my 139)
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Also still dont think dormio is town. i think the way hes posting is just making people draw attention away from him at this point.
the supreme commander very why I the overlord the leader all
Watakushi-sama is tottemo confused. Naze would watashi want to draw attention away from watakushi-sama? Watakushi-sama deserves zenbu attention.
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yaranaika?
Yaranaika?
first the beloved Dormio all
Hajime watakushi-sama will reiterate that ActionDan's rampant townreads are subete scummy.
create reason
It's very easy to tsukuru townreads, especially when you give as little riyuu that ActionDan does.
bad desu yo ne~☆
By itself it's not so warui but these were all ActionDan had until much later desu yo ne~☆
and think reason desu
To ActionDan stating in post #118 that he kangaeru that you need to commit to these reads for some riyuu is terrible desu.
finally but what why one
ActionDan later yatto gets a scumread, demo it is only for bad logic? Nani makes having bad logic scummy? Naze is bad logic exclusive to ichi faction?
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Gotta run out the door but:
And now I'm lost. Gonna take a bit figure this one out =_=
What are you confused about?
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next the chosen one totally
Tsugi! Watakushi-sama still thinks that PX is still tottemo scummy.
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no
@rawr: How is Dormio's posting style drawing people away from him when it is plainly the opposite?
mmmm i guess its more like, since people have a hard time understanding him it would be pretty hard to follow up on any kind of logic he would use. so i think his posting style is kind of stopping people from getting a read on him.
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nommmm i guess its more like, since people have a hard time understanding him it would be pretty hard to follow up on any kind of logic he would use. so i think his posting style is kind of stopping people from getting a read on him.
the beautiful Dormio I start still nothing
Maybe if watakushi-sama was still posting like watashi did at the hajime but if you mada have trouble understanding then nandemonai can help you.
the prettiest Dormio I time
Watakushi-sama will post about PX-kun later when watashi has jikan.
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Beyond gut feelings the reads I mentioned earlier, I can't really say anyone's really scummy or towny looking right now. I don't think PX or Dormio is scummy, since my preconceptions of them are sorta clouding my proper judgement. Until I sort the meta out of my head, I can only really make calls on who I don't really know.
which means I'm sticking with BT, since I still think he's scum.
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pro-tip
It's not BT :3.
Where is shadoweh
rabble rabble. I am surprised by her missing-ness
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@more affinity
NNR not attracting attention
hes wagon now at this point, how can you not get attention? also the attention that actiondan was attracting is completely different.
@serela
@Serela: It's not really a crack theory, I'm genuinely irked by how buddy-buddy they publicly are.
he followed up with your prodding but you seemed to have ignored it in your next post.
@dormio i hate all weeaboos now
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still not completely convinced by serelas nnr vote. also no idea what affinity is doing with his vote either
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yeah no, NNR is probably not scum.
If I figure out concrete reasons for that I'll let you know
I wanna hear the non-concrete reasons. :3
Affinity: You think that NNR is town because if he were scum he could have voted BT anyway; is that what you're saying?
Reread Zak again: Zak is the crux of your Dan case "bad reaction to Serela's post?" What do you think about other people, like say NNR?
Darkoda, where are you? We won't bite. Tell us what you think, anything. Really. We can't get a read on you if you don't post, so don't be afraid.
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I was busy. I'm looking at what my scumbuddies are saying and a little saddened they aren't feeding me enough to make a case without reading. :<
Kinda half asleep so forgive me when the following rant makes absolutely no sense
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I was thinking "where is shadoweh" earlier too but it didn't really warrant a post so
Rawr: That's because his response didn't really clarify anything at all
Oh hey it's shadoweh!
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I guess I could see how BT would be suspicious . At that point [#89] I didn't have any definitive scumreads, which is what I usually go for in a vote. I was going to / may still vote Shadoweh if I didn't like his response however..
On the case of "not voting BT right away" I guess I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt his reasoning would be actually worthwhile.
Also enjoy Dormio and his mafia quirks (they amuse me) even though I constantly want to lynch him for trying to lynch me. It's not like my posts have any clear reads on him. That a problem?
Anyway I guess BT's gambit paid off because I certainly think his suspicions look a bit better (although I'm still concerned with his weird buddying with Dan)
BT where are your voting priorities right now? You said I look better and then you went to write a post on Conq but your vote hasn't changed.
Anyways Dan put my suspicions on Zak into words better then I ever could have had I actually decided to write them out, so I think I'm going to sheep his reasoning and ##Vote: Zakeri
@Serela: It's not really a crack theory, I'm genuinely irked by how buddy-buddy they publicly are.
Grumpy catchup go:
NNR: STOP MAKING THEORIES ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE MASONS. OH MY GOD THIS IS THE WORST THING TO BE THEORIZING ABOUT OUT LOUD IN A WAY THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO ANSWER YOU. Looking at your actual post here as an example I see: No actual read on BT stated in this post, constant flip flopping between townscum. No read on Dormio. 'I enjoy his typing quirk' tells me nothing about what you think of him. A vote on Zak 'because Dan said stuff'. You're still scum. also, lurking is part of my scum meta, why on earth would you NOT vote me for not posting?
Dorian is also probably scum because he is saying nothing. This is your first time being scum alone right? I'm really sorry. I saw someone mentioning killing people earlier? If you could kill Dorian right now we could get a Day 1 scum flip. He is saying nothing when he normally tries for something. I am not even sure of how to word this better but kill it with fire.
Everyone voting for either Dan or BT, especially BT, should consider voting themselves in order to end the pain.
##Vote: Dorian <-- I am 100000000% sure of this and my sleep addled brain says LET'S GO GUNDAM FORCE.
Good wagons: NNR, Dorian, Zak, PX? (I'm not sure on PX)
Bad Wagons: Everything I see in the last votecount. Stop it. I will get really angry with all of you.
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##Unvote
##Vote Dorian in case I am like voting someone which I probably am I bet!
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Im going to assume BT/Actiondan are town atm. i could not really see scum drawing this much attention as they are now.
Zakeri vote on actiondan is incredibly odd right now.
@Zakeri, can you clarify your vote on actiondan abit more? what part of actiondans post following serela post was an actual attack?
Also still dont think dormio is town. i think the way hes posting is just making people draw attention away from him at this point.
Was referring to this post. Don't like or understand his dichotomy regarding 'attention', saying that dormio is attracting a 'different sort of attention' from others and therefore scummy while clearing bt and dan.. Throws doubts on his town clears and scum reads. Why doesn't rawr clear nnr as well for 'attracting attention', voting him instead?
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Also: Townies see masons as scum.
Therefore X sees townies as masons. Fill in the blank at home.
Cut: But Rawr is right, why are you banging on him for saying something that is true
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Was referring to this post. Don't like or understand his dichotomy regarding 'attention', saying that dormio is attracting a 'different sort of attention' from others and therefore scummy while clearing bt and dan.. Throws doubts on his town clears and scum reads. Why doesn't rawr clear nnr as well for 'attracting attention', voting him instead?
i cant really clarify it any more then i have really.
-actiondan has gained attention/bt by giving lots of clears(and each other) for town reads
-nnr is a wagon, of course he will gain attention. also prior all hes been doing is giving off heavy null reads on everyone pretty much. town should be voting who they think are scum not someone else.
-dormios weeaboo posts are pretty hard to read so im pretty sure people will be reluctant to give a form of read. in fact i dont think anyone thus far has given a read on him. <-dont feel like looking but im pretty sure
@shadoweh what do you think of serela? you seem to be able to get an actual read on serela most of the time :|.... thats also correct
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@conq: it is at least null. Why fret about a vote with reasoning when you can just make or backspace it, in favour of an unoriginal vote? Concern over choice of vote perhaps, which is shown more by town than scum.
Cut: shadoweh, how is that so true.
Rawr: first and second points contradict each other. Many people had a scum read on dormio. Tell me why you are voting nnr again?
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i dont think yelling at dormio for his weeaboo posts count as a scumtell
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Tell me why you are voting nnr again?
are you fucking kidding me?
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As for what I'm doing, I'm just trying to push you in the right direction, since scumreading me will just be a waste of your time when the game progresses. So I'm saving you the trouble of paranoia. :)
But this kind of response doesn't help at all. How... really, did you look at this post and say, "I'm helping him out here"? This conversation won't do anything but some scumhunting might. Dan --> NNR jump is pretty unimpressive so far.
Note that I don't exactly have much to go on in terms of scumreads, unless everyone is expecting me to suddenly turn my read on BT around. Zak is my only scumread and Shadoweh is fuck-knows-where so I can't vote him either.
Was this necessary?
NNR is still would-lynch and the next person I'd vote, if consolidation time comes around (Still almost 2 entire days left before deadline) rawr!voting hasn't caught on I'm more then happy to switch back.
Just saying, this is the reason why we fail at consolidation. Big wagons are always better than tiny wagons, not only close to deadlines.
Also I believe Serela to be town now
Wasn't he already town to you?
I certainly don't get NNR's vote priorities since he has been talking far more about BT than Zakeri. I don't think parroting is as bad as alleged, but he needs to clarify how Zakeri is worse. I still think him town however; after all, what was stopping him from voting BT in the first place?
... This line of reasoning really doesn't make much sense. -- Nevermind, he already answered this. So it's at least null. Is NNR at least null? I don't see how this makes you read him as town.
Affinity is probably town.
rawr might be scum but I'm not sure yet.
Shadoweh your reason for voting Dorian is my reason for ramming him early on but I don't think it's that solid, which is why I kind of backtracked since.
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A word to the new guys: If you're unsure, you could always listen to what others (with more experience!) are saying. If something looks off to you then you call someone out for it and bam! participation.
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We're at that pretty situation wherein everyone seems to agree on 2-3 wagons (NNR, rawr, Zak) but it could go either way. I'm going to read into these extensively when I get back so scum don't make the decision for us. :D
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But this kind of response doesn't help at all. How... really, did you look at this post and say, "I'm helping him out here"? This conversation won't do anything but some scumhunting might. Dan --> NNR jump is pretty unimpressive so far.
Yeah, I'm actually completely serious. You're just being nitpicky at this point. If you can tell me why I'm not scumhunting or my jump is unimpressive I'll try to explain; otherwise I'll just assume you're trying to justify bad feelings that are unjustified.
Also, BT, you're taking stuff out of context in your quote stripes. Like in the post right above me Dan is clearly responding to Serela.
Dorian's made one post and I don't think it's bad enough to condemn him yet; he said he was going to follow up, wasn't he?
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EBWOP: Responding to Zak, derp. Since that seems to be the entire basis of Zak's vote on Dan.
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are you fucking kidding me?
It's a fair point; your only stated reason is sheeping. Why did you choose to vote NNR over Serela?
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Like in the post right above me Dan is clearly responding
Oh. My bad.
Nah, you're right, I guess what I meant to say is that you haven't given me a reason to change my mind yet? The jump wasn't scummy but it wasn't town-ish either. Whatever.
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Shadoweh your reason for voting Dorian is my reason for ramming him early on but I don't think it's that solid, which is why I kind of backtracked since.
I think it is. What did he do to change your mind?
Rawr: Serela is probably town? I haven't seen him do anything wrong, but I'm too sleepy to give the question a 100% answer I think
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Well, that's fine. Hopefully it'll become clear soon!
I guess to put my NNR vote into more concrete terms, it feels like he's being overcautious and
Okay dammit, I'm wavering I guess because I kinda like his Zakeri vote and his recent responses are actually okay. I still don't like how NNR is being passive though. Be more proactive!
Actually I want to
##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri
His attack on Dan boils down to "I think Serela is town therefore" --> "Dan is scum for attacking Serela"
This alone isn't that scummy; what I think is scummy about it is that it basically ignores all of Dan's other activity; I feel like Zak!town would look at the attack in context of everything else.
I didn't like it because when I read it it seemed like he was attacking Serela because Serela made a case on BT- not for actually disagreeing with the case, but because it was on BT.
This also rubs me the wrong way when I realize that Zak is basically attacking Dan because Dan made a case on Serela; basically, the same thing Zak is voting Dan for.
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##Unvote
So after looking through things properly I guess I'll do this. BT doesn't seem as scummy. but Dorian is also not talking at all so maybe he's scum? Darkoda too. I don't know anyone's game history. And I know plenty of people who have silence as a towntell, so I'm split on where to vote for this.
on the other hand NNR does seem super wishy washy now that everyone else points it out (because hey I'm new and don't notice this stuff), and in my experience that's totally a scum tell.
#Vote NNR
I mean I really want to vote Dan, Dormio, PX, or Rawr simply to fuck with them but that's something I'll refrain from because they all seem pretty town right now.
I guess it's bad that I'm sorta tunnel visioning on the people I know.
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Serela that was a terrible terrible post, but I'm not sure that that is scum-you.
Not to mention this statement was in the original "Serela attack," which makes it a weird point of contention for Zak to attack Dan over as he didn't even call Serela scum. It's not even the meat of any of his posts; it's a passing remark.
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@Shadoweh: What makes you say Dorian is saying nothing?
Amra, just curious, who has silence as a towntell? (because it's usually not)
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because this is my first game of internet mafia, it hardly matters. People I know irl had silence as a town tell.
acting classes, once upon a time.
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Mkay, makes sense.
Also, BT, you're taking stuff out of context in your quote stripes. Like in the post right above me Dan is clearly responding to Serela.
Also, I was completely wrong here, so ignore me. :blush: Must have mixed up my tabs or something.
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Grumpy catchup go:
also, lurking is part of my scum meta, why on earth would you NOT vote me for not posting?
lurking is part of my scum meta
[quote[scum meta[/quote]meta
I believe that appropriately answers your question
More to come before I go off to bed.
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I haven't had any particularly aggravating Crawl games tonight but I think I can muster up some NekoRex-tier Critical Response Poststm
NNR: STOP MAKING THEORIES ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE MASONS. OH MY GOD THIS IS THE WORST THING TO BE THEORIZING ABOUT OUT LOUD IN A WAY THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO ANSWER YOU. Looking at your actual post here as an example I see: No actual read on BT stated in this post, constant flip flopping between townscum. No read on Dormio. 'I enjoy his typing quirk' tells me nothing about what you think of him. A vote on Zak 'because Dan said stuff'. You're still scum. also, lurking is part of my scum meta, why on earth would you NOT vote me for not posting?
I see here a block of text at the crux of yet another D1 NekoRex wagon and I sigh with annoyance.
I thought my read on BT was pretty clear. I think he's town, although horribly misguided. It's much unlike last game where he was just plain awful and his scumhunting was pitiful. The fact I haven't said anything readwise on Dormio says a lot actually. Dormio hasn't really contributed anything this game...
I justified the Zakeri vote with reasoning. What fucking more do you want? I can't do anything else about it, okay? He's not posting, and I've got no other good scumreads.
Yeah, it was a sheep on Dan. Big deal? Would you have liked me to come up with the reasoning before Dan so that his vote could be a sheep on mine? It's like asking Serela not to cark up LYLO, or everyone else not to make it a running gag. It's even more irksome you agree with the wagon, and not my vote.
Of course, you just take a lurker vote after all that just to spite me. Also why was my OP scummy? I have waited for you this entire day and I still do not see any reason why you thought that.
Finally, screw you and you and your anti-speculation. I think Dormio is the cop and I have no basis whatsoever on that theory.
Also: Townies see masons as scum.
Therefore X sees townies as masons. Fill in the blank at home.
this is a dumb theory and isn't actually credible.
I certainly don't get NNR's vote priorities since he has been talking far more about BT than Zakeri. I don't think parroting is as bad as alleged, but he needs to clarify how Zakeri is worse. I still think him town however; after all, what was stopping him from voting BT in the first place?
Here's a hint as to the reason behind this.
You ready to read it?
You sure?
Okay, here goes:
Zakeri
has
ONE FUCKING CONTENT POST
I have NOTHING ELSE TO COMMENT ON ABOUT HIM. BT has been posting ALL DAY LONG. It's natural I'm not going to be talking about Zakeri all day because HE ISN'T POSTING
Was this necessary?
Completely.
on the other hand NNR does seem super wishy washy now that everyone else points it out (because hey I'm new and don't notice this stuff), and in my experience that's totally a scum tell.
#Vote NNR
No. Stop.
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This Votecount was summoned by Black Waltz 1
ActionDan: Dormio, Dorian, Zakeri (3)
Affinity: (0)
BT: (0)
Conqueror: (0)
Darkoda: (0)
Dorian: Shadoweh (1)
Dormio: Darkoda (1)
NekoNekoRex: BT, PX, rawr, SasAmra-san (4)
PX: (0)
rawr: Serela, Affinity (2)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: (0)
Zakeri: ActionDan, NekoNekoRex, Conqueror (3)
With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
You have 36 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130130T21&p0=%3A&msg=End+of+D1) hours remaining.
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role speculation
can we please not do this; it's not helpful at all especially on day one
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I'm surprised this clarification is needed, but: my response to Affinity wasn't an accusation. Like, at all. <_< It means I felt his vote was for the wrong reasons, regardless to alignment.
Nor was it a accusation from my side, I would not call you town if it were.
Anyway, my Dan case:
First, the town read was unreasonable. I agree Conq that the OMGUS vote was a newbtell and seen in conxet a null tell, Dan already covered a possible newbtown interpretation but it could be also seen as a newbscum ?jump on the worst reason? counterattack. A fight-or-flight reaction that doesn't require help from a buddy. Which makes Dans level of confidence in this read quite questionable or rather forced.
Second, Darkoda reaction to the ?test revelation?, as Conq already pointed out there was no reaction at all. This lack of a reaction still really puzzled, and even when I have to say that I didn't had the time nor the material to get a read on Darkoda, so can I still say that Dan not addressing this point solidified the above mentioned forced impression.
About his recent posts can I say that I don't like the timing of his vote, two of the three points Dan brings up against Zakeri were already there before he voted Dan. Well at last it isn't PoE.^^;
?Also: Explain what's wrong with PX's vote. Refer to these posts:?
Well, there is the point that he ?would vote Shadoweh ... for always doing this stuff every game? instead of ?for being scummy? but what I found more interesting is the post you haven't Quoted.
10/10 post will sheep
##unvote
##Vote dormio
So he dropped whatever problem he had with Shadoweh to sheep someone, who isn't even in the game?, without further notation to jump straight on the biggest wagon. It's kind of an irony that the reason I haven't voted him at said point were because he ?always doing this stuff every game?.
So far so good, that took me longer than I intended, I'm still around three pages behind the game but also deathly tired. Fortunately I'm free tonight so I'll get some sleep and then use the first opportunity this game to actually think my through to the end before I have to post them.
Guten Tag
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@rawr: how insolent. And also three people had voted Dormio at some point in time today.
Why are you voting NNR for sheeping Dan when you are sheeping everyone voting NNR yourself? Gosh.
In any case, NNR saying that BT is now misguided town is a bit of a shock to me, but okay. In any case, from this people vs NNR thing, I'm getting nothing except the feeling that NNR has horrible PR in his insistence that there it is impossible to paraphrase his case on Zakeri in his own words. In general I don't agree with the NNR case. I think parroting other people is fine in the short-term and on day one, and I think the change on his read of BT mid-game and his copious explanations on it are town.
@NNR: Have you missed Zakeri's post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942006.html#msg942006)?
I would rather look at scum who are attempting to jump on the wagon for an easy coast, like rawr for example, who is being a borderline hypocrite. What's disturbing is that most people voting NNR have not chimed their opinion on Zakeri, which should be a related factor.
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On other people, I'm interpreting Zakeri's vote as voting someone for what he sees as bad play (e.g Dan's 'disjointed questioning' of Serela). Would like clarification on how it is scummy by Zakeri, and I can see why people are voting him (especially Dan, who raises a good point about Zakeri's votepark on Darkoda being stagnant).
Have to say that Dorian is being a bit outdated here; I don't like him missing out the main event of the day in NNR, especially when he is criticizing Dan's vote on Zakeri who is being voted by NNR as well. Him citing what PX did ages ago instead of his far more relevant NNR vote is silly as well. Would like to ask him his opinions on NNR. Dormio is also in the same boat more or less.
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the powerful Dormio wonderful I
So watakushi-sama's suteki vote on ActionDan isn't going anywhere that watashi wants to see it go.
therefore I the best
Dakara watashi will move watakushi-sama's vote to PX.
##Unvote
##Vote PX
I start real trouble
As watashi has said earlier, PX's play at the hajime is hontou mazuii.
it keeps
Kore has not improved, and tsuzukete involves jumping only onto large, established wagons.
the one and only Dormio I therefore results bad
Watakushi-sama thinks that PX's statement that watashi is unreadable and dakara to be ignored is a copout that kekka in being able to drop the warui vote on watashi
your beloved Dormio tomorrow now the celebrity that person
Watakushi-sama will post about NNR ashita but will say for ima that watakushi-sama doesn't like ano hito.
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@NNR: Have you missed Zakeri's post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942006.html#msg942006)?
Fine, you got me there. Allow me to summarize why that post only makes him look worse:
-It's still bent on the singular prod Dan made on Serela (which wasn't followed up with a vote or further discussion) and no other posts Dan have made (including the case on Zak himself)
-It contributes nothing else.
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Dormio doesn't like how he reads me in a Mafia game
Allow me to portray the full extent of my surprise with an image
(http://i.imgur.com/qIDrNS1.png)
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which means I'm sticking with BT, since I still think he's scum.
BT doesn't seem as scummy.
Mmm. Shed a little light on what changed?
I think it is. What did he do to change your mind?
Not much, actually. I'm still looking at him, but the second post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg941884.html#msg941884) seemed Dorian-ish.
Actually, I'm reading his ISO right now. I get twitches from the reasoning behind his Dan vote, specifically from this:
Have you ever considered that supposed buddies would help him establishing a newbtown impression? Isn't that not actually what you are doing right now?
I think he's accusing Dan of establishing a newbtown impression for scumbuddy Darkoda? That's completely out of left field and seems like bullshit rather than a thought from town.
Most of what I've been trying to do is figure out if this was above even Dorian as town and I'm not sure. However! One thing of note is that, along with him trailing behind the conversation, the only reads he's committed to so far have been Dan and PX. I don't see anything else on literally anyone else. I think this is what Shadoweh was saying about him saying more as town? Yeah, I'm seeing this now.
I haven't re-analyzed the current wagons like I said I would (yet) but I'm actually pretty confident in switching after this.
##Unvote NekoNekoRex
##Vote Dorian
Conq, what's your current read on Dan and what do you make of that early exchange with him now? I also want your read on Dorian.
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Darkoda, I see you posting in the other threads. Please grace us with your presence. No one online at this our will bite.
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EBWOP: "at this hour"
A little more on Dorian that I forgot to say: another reason why accusation that Dan is covering for scum Darkoda is likely bullshit is that he never mentions Darkoda being scum or anything of the sort.
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Well since it's my first go at Mafia over a forum so I'm working off guesswork here but, so far all I have to go with are Dan's oddness at the beginning but I don't know if that's normal for him or not quite yet.
And Dormio speaking weird which seems like an attempt to annoy people too much to bother trying to read him.
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Dormio does this all the time, unfortunately.
Fact of the matter is that some players are scum so their reads are fake. Do you think there's anything that fits the bill?
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Mind pointing out what's bad about that, NNR? Would be helpful.
I'm going to stand by my guns and say that Dorian could go either way. The silence could mean anything imo, but it leads towards scumminess, and if people are meta'ing and saying it lends towards nottown!Dorian then sure.
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I think Dorian is actually more townish after his last post.
Zakeri is still scum and his last post more or less gives it away. I will explain later.
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Come on Dan, I think my point in #243 is actually pretty big.
Also compare his play right now to his entrance post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14060.msg933676.html#msg933676) in the recent game, when there was a similar quantity of content around (maybe even less).
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Dorian needs to catch up for srs and spending half a post talking about a vote PX did in RVS is "why"
however d1 is ALSO not the time to lynch someone for having been unable to keep up with the game a bit due to IRL (If he doesn't improve though, then of course, full speed ahead d2, but)
I was trying to get something else to say here, but I kind of need to get ready for work
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however d1 is ALSO not the time to lynch someone for having been unable to keep up with the game a bit due to IRL (If he doesn't improve though, then of course, full speed ahead d2, but)
Actually, hmm, if him being behind is the reason for his limited reads then my vote isn't nearly as strong as I made it out to be. There's still the Dan vote, but I guess I'll wait for his post.
Amra, answer my question.
Reread of Zak yeilds nothing because he has 3 posts. The only reason behind his lynch that I back up is the whole "doesn't say anything about the rest of Dan's play" thing. Other than that, I dunno. I'd rather vote Dorian on the bad content front.
Next up are NNR and rawr, I guess.
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Neko: I'm not voting for you. :V And I'm not doing it out of spite. I don't hate anyone in mafia. 'Zakeri still only has one content post' or 'Shadoweh hasn't come back to say anything' are valid reasons to keep voting someone, I don't understand why you would think this meant you couldn't pursue someone anymore. I don't care if you're ignoring meta, don't unvote people for doing scummy things. Just in that post you gave more of your own reasoning for Zak then you had before. And no, it -really- wasn't clear that you thought BT was town.
booo Dorian's last post is good. But it doesn't address anything that's actually happened. :/ Unfortunately because I know he has reading problems sometimes I'm not sure if that's scummy or not. No longer 100% sure. Dorian needs to get to the part of the game where there's actually stuff happening. Cut by BT saying almost the same thing.
I thought Affinity was a little weird at first but I think he's okay now. Will not randomly lynch without claim >.> We're getting close to the 24 hour mark, so as soon as I get home in about 2-3 hours I'm gonna read over current wagons again and see if I want to switch/push hard until Dorian chokes.
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Votecount of Dali
ActionDan: Dorian, Zakeri (2)
Affinity: (0)
BT: (0)
Conqueror: (0)
Darkoda: (0)
Dorian: Shadoweh, BT (2)
Dormio: Darkoda (1)
NekoNekoRex: PX, rawr, SasAmra-san (3)
PX: Dormio (1)
rawr: Serela, Affinity (2)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: (0)
Zakeri: ActionDan, NekoNekoRex, Conqueror (3)
With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
You have 24 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130130T21&p0=%3A&msg=End+of+D1) hours remaining.
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I want Dormio to share his reads on the current wagons because he's currently as useless as Dorian, maybe even worse. (useless in the null sense)
Zak also needs to show up. I think it's an hour before prod.
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Dorian also said he'd work on this 'tonight' and if we share the same timezone that's probably not going to happen.
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After reading, I'd say the biggest issue I have with NNR now is his reads. The only one that follows a natural progression is the Zak read -- everything else is either waffly or nonexistent.
His me read is the big problem. It's kind of ~everywhere~:
BT reminds me, surprisingly, of Scum!Serela. He's pointing scum in all directions while his current vote is probably the dumbest one of all the choices he has. He Town!Dan read is contradictory, defending him for having a bunch of town reads before everyone is post-RVS, and not criticizing him after plenty of people have posted. Other irks are that BT calls Affinity uptight while also being a prude about Dormio's (now readable) posting quirk.
A bunch of things.
Anyway I guess BT's gambit paid off because I certainly think his suspicions look a bit better (although I'm still concerned with his weird buddying with Dan)
The buddying is weird.
Speaking of which, BT, when are you going to answer my question. I feel the need to point out now that your original reasons for the vote on me are based on meta. And meta is bad.
The vote is meta and meta is bad.
BT's posts sound on the fence about me, having no clear scumread, which I don't like, yet his vote persists.
I don't have a clear scumread.
I thought my read on BT was pretty clear. I think he's town, although horribly misguided. It's much unlike last game where he was just plain awful and his scumhunting was pitiful.
And the kicker: I'm town.
It seems like a collection of reasons that don't fit inside the same puzzle. No, it wasn't obvious that you read me as town, because none of your posts suggested that conclusion: they only added more nitpicks to the nitpick bucket without going anywhere with them. The fact that you do arrive at a conclusion, which seems detached from your earlier posts, seems unnatural.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the consolidation wagon ended up on rawr: he's lurking. Going through his posts right now but I just wanted to make sure that was clear. <_<
Speaking of which, consolidation happens overnight, hopefully. I don't want any deadline panic itg.
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Rawr is not a good wagon at all.
and if it consolidates there for some reason all the more reason to think Zak is scum ^_^
tbh I don't even want to bother going over his last post.
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We not lynching Rawr.
Anyways, I have time for 1 post and then school for the rest of the day.
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Most of rawr's posts are responses to Affinity / Serela. He pretty much never talks about NNR (his vote) and I'm pretty sure his vote is for 'sheeping'.
I don't agree with Affinity's dichotomy thing (rawr said Dormio was keeping attention away from him, actually), but, like, wow, rawr's pretty bad otherwise. What are you guys seeing in him?
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yeah yeah, I admit I overreacted to Dan's attack of Serela.
##Unvote
But meh, in all honesty, it was either that or I go "zomg Everyone is town, vote: nobody."
Also, people who are using the votepark on Darkoda thing against me really need to start paying attention. It's annoying when people try to cash in on buzzwords like that, no matter who they come from.
I'm going to make a list of people who use that for their reasoning and select one to shoot tonight.
At this point, though, I don't even have anywhere to vote park, but I might as well prodskirt.
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After this last reading session I'm actually more compelled to
##Unvote Dorian
##Vote NekoNekoRex
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I don't agree with Affinity's dichotomy thing (rawr said Dormio was keeping attention away from him, actually), but, like, wow, rawr's pretty bad otherwise. What are you guys seeing in him?
Have you tried looking into my eyes? Its like a fucking ocean of love and town in there.
Also my posts being bad is nothing new.
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It's nothing new but I think you not referring to your scumpick's posts is a different kind of bad. You just jumped on the wagon for "sheeping" and haven't talked about the vote since.
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Cool, so Zak is making an appeal unvote and not doing anything else.
Also he claimed Vig. Lovely.
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BT on my BT read
Okay, now you are starting to tick me off. I don't think you've been reading into my posts hard enough, because I've been heavily implying a non-scum read on you since you revealed your original impression on me. Between "BT looks better" a bunch of times and "Does town expect me to turn round my read on BT [and vote him]" I don't think you seem to notice the part where I don't think you're actually scum. If you can't infer obvious enough reads like that without me actually saying "X is <read>" you need to Stop Voting and find someone else.[/quote] Yeah, I lack a bunch of reads on other people but give me a break, it's D1 in a game full of newbies and regular unreadables (rawr, Dormio)
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In fact if anyone has hard to infer reads it's you. You've been saying I look better all day but your vote's been stuck on me regardless of the fact.
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Rawr needs to Post More because he's not exactly being cooperative and that bothers me a bit.
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In fact I think townies should stop sheeping me for being the loudest and easiest to vote player.
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So yeah now I have no time for post. However, the subtle and blatant AtE in NNR's post makes me want to vote him harder. And we're not lynching Rawr.
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I'll be back tonight for a post.
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So yeah now I have no time for post. However, the subtle and blatant AtE in NNR's post makes me want to vote him harder. And we're not lynching Rawr.
Posts like these set a ticking time bomb with your name on it, and the payload is rage. What a horrible and conniving way to brush off all my posts and tack on a stupid excuse to keep your vote on me.
PX, what have YOU done today? You made a vote on me for sheeping, stuck to it after sheeping stopped being a good singular reason to vote me, and you've told everyone to not kill rawr. That's it. You've done nothing else. That's dissapointing.
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Conq, what's your current read on Dan and what do you make of that early exchange with him now? I also want your read on Dorian.
My read on Dan right now is town. The early exchange was a misunderstanding imo.
Dorian's biggest problem is that he's still talking about page 3 in a ten page game. But I don't find his few posts scummy? He makes decent points on Dan and PX (even though I think the Dan case is misguided). I can't really say more until he posts more about the current state of the game. So, null read.
@Zak, a few things:
1) Is that a serious vig claim and are you willing to shoot someone tonight to prove it?
2) Do you have any scumreads, like, at all?
rawr's posting is really lazy and I don't like the way he ignored what I asked him. Look, I'll literally quote his reasoning for his NNR vote:
Serela/NNR sheeping is a thing and i would lynch them at this point.
Later you get gems like this:
still not completely convinced by serelas nnr vote. also no idea what affinity is doing with his vote either
Basically just sitting on NNR and poking at other things.
And the eventual reasoning for the vote:
-nnr is a wagon, of course he will gain attention. also prior all hes been doing is giving off heavy null reads on everyone pretty much. town should be voting who they think are scum not someone else.
Which doesn't make sense. Since when was NNR voting someone he doesn't think is scum?
While I don't agree with Affinity's dichotomy thing (it's pretty clear that Dan and BT are attracting a different type of attention than Dormio given, you know, their posts and how people are reacting to them), rawr's just coasting right now. I think someone already said this, but rawr's NNR votesheep is as bad or worse than NNR's Zak votesheep.
##Unvote
##Vote: rawr
And we're not lynching Rawr.
Okay, why not?
I had a problem with NNR BT's read before, but I feel better about him after all his responses. It looks like he tripped over himself trying to explain a read he's conflicted on (agree with the player, disagree with their reads etc). Really, the biggest problem I have with NNR is the overdefensiveness and the passive play, but iirc that was part of his play last game too. >_>
Darkoda's drive-by posting feels like he hasn't read any of the recent thread. Darkoda, what do you think about the major wagons like Dorian, NNR, rawr, and Zakeri? You say Dan is odd and Dormio is speaking weird; what do you think is scummy about them?
Lynch priorities right now are probably rawr>Zak>Dorian>NNR
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Actually, NNR, could you give like a summary of what your reads are (for instance, what you think about the "unreadables" because I think you're just being catty)? You said Zak claimed vig, what do you think about it?
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Zak claimed vig.
I think it needs to be directed at the least (I'm actually thinking Zak might be SK)
If the intended target isn't dead, we lynch Zak no questions asked.
##Unvote
Let me get my thoughts together.
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Also if anyone else (looking at you newbies) is actually a vigilante, please claim immediately Tyvm
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☢ CAUTION!! ☢
I died in Crawl, risk of rageposts is high
Actually, NNR, could you give like a summary of what your reads are (for instance, what you think about the "unreadables" because I think you're just being catty)? You said Zak claimed vig, what do you think about it?
I don't want to do a bullet list of reads here, so I guess I'll just give some summaries.
PX and Rawr both lean scum to me right now. Neither of them are contributing anything substantial, especially Rawr, who's being uncooperative with his reasoning. Don't know what PX sees in him that's town.
I haven't actually ~seen~ any Dorian posts in my read-throughs although apparently they exist and they're scummy, so I dunno.
The two newbies I can't really read, mostly because they seem pretty reliant on other players for reads.
Affinity is townish I guess, He's playing like last game, and I liked him last game, so I guess he should keep up the good work?
Surprisingly can't muster up read on you, Conq, despite the amount of posts you've had. My gut isn't giving me much to work with there either.
As far as the vig claim, I don't really know. Last time I dealt with one of those I got shot in broad daylight. His claim certainly doesn't affect my read, in any case. Might switch to PX or Rawr here in a minute since it looks like he's going to be spared today anyhow.
Fixed your tag for you :V -IHNN
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Also if anyone else (looking at you newbies) is actually a vigilante, please claim immediately Tyvm
actually don't, just shoot Zak
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Ugh, BBCode why do you hate me?
I hope that post is at least readable like that.
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I can't really make reads from all this because I'm still amazed at how complex being able to type and look back at records makes mafia, so I'm really just going with my gut here and sorta half-justifying it with reads from other people. Apologies.
what I do feel is Dormio's posting style is making it hard, for me at least, to say anything with concrete justification besides 'his posting style angers me in a way I've never been angered before'. Whether it's drawing attention to him or not is sorta irrelevant because I can't make heads or tails of his intent; is he just fucking with us because he knows this aggravates us or is he actually hiding some sort of agenda here? or is he just acting as bait?
PX is there a reason why you keep saying we're not going to lynch Rawr cause you guys seem closer than wisp sticks to ursa.
With all the stuff floating around, I relooked at Zak's stuff and I'm not seeing the vigilante claim.
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He said he was going to shoot someone tonight in his last post. It's a vig softclaim.
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either that or Zak claimed mafia goon and is telling us he's going to enjoy shooting someone tonight. Actually last time he claimed vig he was also scum? Seconding what Dan said about just shoot. Normally I would talk about how he should definitely shoot someone but I'm not sure who I would want unequivobly dead. Maybe PX so he could tell us why Rawr isn't dying (I think he did this exact same thing in Pictures of Birds Mafia).
PS PX if you have an actual reason not to kill Rawr that's role related it would be dumb to just say it like that, so instead you should tell us what the non-role related thing is.
I think rawr as a consolidation wagon is bad because frankly no one has been voting him before now and I'm getting sick of last second superwagons that no one gave reasons to vote for before now. (no offense Affinity, you're pretty much the only one). I very much get a vibe of it being because Rawr is there and some people said he was bad so GO GO GO.
Frankly I don't think he's screaming hard enough.
##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri
Either come out with a real vig claim and your probable targets or I'm going to assume Matsuda didn't do the backstroke well enough and you want to demonstrait again.
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I think rawr as a consolidation wagon is bad because frankly no one has been voting him before now and I'm getting sick of last second superwagons that no one gave reasons to vote for before now. (no offense Affinity, you're pretty much the only one). I very much get a vibe of it being because Rawr is there and some people said he was bad so GO GO GO.
Well, actually, the rawr wagon was just as big as the Zakeri wagon before now and about as many people have talked about the both of them. Do you have an actual read-based objection to the rawr wagon?
If the intended target isn't dead, we lynch Zak no questions asked.
if zak is actually a vig then this plan isn't going to work because of obvious potential complications. think about it
@amra: what do you think of zak irrespective of the vig claim?
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ebwop: i guess im up for lynching zak if he continues his trend of posting by afking for the rest of the day
the reason why the vig claim gives me pause is that i can see why rolling a vig would make you play really lazily, confirmable role that can kill scum at night and all that
cough PoR cough
biggest issue with Zak is the lack of any scumreads at all and the handwaving of everyone as town. i kinda doubt he reads all the wagons as town b/c then he'd probably put more effort into derailing them a.la serela defense, but im not sure whether his behavior is stemming from apathy (ala f11) or being scum
he's being pretty brazen with his :care: attitude; im not sure if zak!scum is that bold
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ebwodp: in other words my lynching priorities are still the same as in the post above. nnr is on the list because he's a major wagon but i dont think he's that scummy right now so would prefer not to lynch him over the other options
just trying to explain my thought process a little
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I feel in my gut that he's doing the 'get into good graces of people and then backstab' routine, or something like that. Something seems off. No one's giving off any major scum vibes to me, which is weird in and of itself from my experience. Probably why I'm put off by Dan and Zakeri, I guess? Looking back there's just lots of town reads from them. Also PX just saying Rawr isn't getting lynched, but I suppose he has an explanation for that since he's been busy lately and said he would post. I'm willing to wait.
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Just got out of class, but I do have a reason for wanting Rawr alive that I will deign to not reveal as I believe that doing so will not be benefitial to town in the slightest. Currently.
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Finally caught up, better late than never.^^;
@BT: Thank you for pointing out my main problem here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942375.html#msg942375), it took me 6 hours to write this post alone and I had just around 8 to deal with this game so far, sorry that I used most of it to read.
Now to the matter at hand, as much as I would like to update my case on Dan there is not much I haven't already said. Zakeris vote on Darkoda was there already, even when I have to admit that Dans vote timing wasn't as bad as I thought. Mostly cause Zakeri really haven't said anything between his ?Dan isn't lying, vote: Darkoda? and ?that was a votepark, vote Dan?. But still haven't he voted him along with his question to give them more value and his initiating suspicion more clarity?
This doesn't get me anywhere, does it? ##Unvote
NNR: I recall that his ?null reads post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg941705.html#msg941705)? gave me a uncertain town impression. But now that I look into it again do I see that I have the same problem with his Zakeri vote that I have with Dans. He voiced suspicion on BT, Zakeri and to a much lesser degree Dan too but he left with an empty unvote (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg941855.html#msg941855). He kinda withdrawn his suspicion on BT as he voted Zakeri later, but he still keep on dancing around BT and it took him indeed quite some time to clarify this dance as town read. The problem I see here isn't the lack of clarity in his BT read but more that I have to wonder why he feels the need to talk that much about BT in the first place if he think he's town? He said ?... Zak is my only scumread and Shadoweh is fuck-knows-where so I can't vote him either. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942067.html#msg942067)? That's fine, but his efforts to find alternatives are quite limited, not to say vanishingly low compared to his BT ramblings.
I have to say that I'm not sure what he's doing but I'm quite sure that it's not scum hunting.
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
Also I'm missing an opinion about Dan in your last post, mind to add one?
That took me forever, I will address Zakeri, Rawr and likely PX again after I went for a walk to get some cigarettes. What a way to waste spend a night.
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I don't remember anyone doing that in Path of-HEY. There's still a difference you know. I was at least interested in hunting for victims even if I didn't care if I could prove it.
PX: A'ight but I'ma hold you to it. I don't really want Rawr dead either, I feel the same way I did about him last game before hypnotoad.
Dorian are you really not gonna say anything about me, not evven be mad or something? :/
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Dorian have you considered the fact that I've been on BT's case all day because of his vote on me and the fact we've both been taking potshots at each other throughout the day?
Compare and contrast to my scumreads all of which are low-content, low-frequency posters and you'll see why most of my content is directed towards BT.
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Been kind of busy. Going to continue being busy since I have to go to sleep immediately in order to wake up early enough since I have an appointment and then work. (I'm going to be gone like 6 hours before deadline)
But I'll totally try to get up early enough to make a decent post in mafiers. Anyway we're clearly not lynching Zak because Vig, we're clearly not lynching rawr because PX not popular wagon, Dorian I mentioned before, and so that leaves NNR who I've stated that I'm fine with anyway (granted I'm kind of behind at this point, only really managed to skim the recent pages)
Cut by Dorian catching up wooo. Hopping on the big wagon after being gone forever isn't particularly good but it's also certainly not just some lazy sheep, and he says he's going to post more so
Shadoweh's zak!vote is silly considering we kind of need votes on real targets (The call for more from Zak isn't silly, even if I'm not sure how important it is) but at this point I'm not sure we can vote NNR again without lynching him anyway. And IIRC Shadoweh's been clear about how she feels about the actual lynch candidates. So.
shadoweh just give him a minute I'm sure he'll :C at you when he makes his additional posts he's promising
bed I missed you
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Or I could just direct you to read post #232
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Dan is still town, since you asked for that read.
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/me throws up arms.
If that's the case PX, it had better be a good reason and not something like "I have a meta town read on him." But I'm guessing this will become clear eventually.
##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri
Dorian, what's your opinion on Dan now because I can't get it from your post, and why is NNR rambling about BT scummy when for the most part he's either answering questions about BT or in a back-and-forth with him?
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the almighty dislike
Watakushi-sama still kirais PX.
I
If need be, watashi will switch to Zakeri.
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your beloved Dormio tomorrow now the celebrity that person
Watakushi-sama will post about NNR ashita but will say for ima that watakushi-sama doesn't like ano hito.
dormio can you elaborate on this because you never did
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<inventive avoidance of a curse word> hell I am tired as <simile>. It's 2 AM and I'm going to bed. I expect to be back before deadline, assuming I don't somehow marathon sleep until <deadline in my timezone>.
Although that's like 14 hours from now so me sleeping that long is as likely as <another simile>.
Anyway I'm too <synonym for "really tired"> to think right now so I'll just let you <people whom I like or dislike depending on the time of day> to ad lib my post for me. See you in the morning, I guess. Try not to lynch me before I wake up, hm?
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So, I'm back and...
I have honestly no idea how I'm supposed to read Zakeri. I at last like to think that his points against Dan weren't completely baseless but his last post is just ? I mean has he really left an empty unvote not even 24 hours before deadline? Is his ?I'm going to make a list of people who use that for their reasoning and select one to shoot tonight (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942500.html#msg942500).? line really a vig claim?
As much as I hate to say it but the only conclusion I can get to at the moment is, I have no idea what he is.
About Rawr, not sure if it's bias from last game but I get the impression that he puts more thoughts in his post than last time. I never thought I would see the day but I'm not interested in his lynch right now.
Now to PX, I recall that Dan said about him ?I don't think I've ever seen PX this town in my life? and it makes me think that I must have missed something case all I see are his usual half reporting one liner opinion. Hardly my first priority at the moment but also not so impressive to reverse the impression of his wagon jump on Dormio.
@Shadoweh: If you talk about your vote on me then I'm not sure what to say about it. You observed a change in my behavior and that led you to the wrong conclusion. If you want me to get mad at you then call your vote an gambit and call me something like ?British governor scum? based on it, cause I'm not Schezo.
@Conqueror: I'm still not clearing Dan even when I'm less certain right now that he's scum, if I ever was certain about him, I mean we are talking about a ED1 case.
Also: I'll try to be here around deadline but knowing my bad timing is it not unlikely that this will be my last post for the day.
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Okay, now you are starting to tick me off. I don't think you've been reading into my posts hard enough, because I've been heavily implying a non-scum read on you since you revealed your original impression on me. Between "BT looks better" a bunch of times and "Does town expect me to turn round my read on BT [and vote him]" I don't think you seem to notice the part where I don't think you're actually scum. If you can't infer obvious enough reads like that without me actually saying "X is <read>" you need to Stop Voting and find someone else.
You're absolutely right and I was about to correct myself yesterday when I was violently ejected from my internet access. In any case, yeah, I actually did think it was fine when you said I was town originally but when I reread I completely forgot about those parts.
You're right when you say it's hard to infer what my read on you is, too -- because I'm still contemplating if your recent posts are coming from town or scum. It's why I was absorbed by my #255 because I thought it was solid when it wasn't.
ANYWAY,
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Aaand random premature 'Post'. More to come. <_<
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your highness like help your lord time
Watakushi-sama doesn't suki being called to tasukete other people. Watakushi-sama would rather spend jikan doing other things.
dormio can you elaborate on this because you never did
stupid desu all stupid desu
The mason thing is baka desu. In fact, zenbu is baka desu.
the mighty Dormio him
The only thing that keeps watakushi-sama from voting koto is PX and Zakeri.
the emperor
Zakeri because watakushi-sama thinks that Zakeri is contributing even less.
still die
PX mada needs to shine.
the great one sleep difficult desu yo ne~☆
Watakushi-sama needs to nemuru or something. Thinking is very muzukashii desu yo ne~☆
##Unvote
##Vote Zakeri
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ANYWAY, your reason for being frustrated with me is completely clear to me now, and those responses definitely aren't fake, but they could come from both alignments. I'm looking at you now and the best you can muster in your reads post is "PX and rawr lean scum bcause they aren't contributing anything". You don't seem to have a shortage of time to dedicate to the game and despite that you've barely hunted for scum, or weren't able to, whatever of the two happened.
##Unvote
At least you're posting. Gut is telling me your responses are town but fuuuck you gut. I don't remember the last time I was such a waffling wreck. Maybe it's the three scum games in a row.
I believe PX so no rawr lynch today.
Dorian's post + case is giving me mixed feelings but goddammit why am I this pathetic now
I literally can't decide on anything
I can't even decide if I want to just pick the third option and go with Zak for how pathetic he is
It's better than nothing. Let's see if I settle down in a few hours. <_<
(I literally sat down for 2 hours with this post)
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Uhhh ##Vote Zakeri, forgot.
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What I can say is that I currently don't think Dorian - NNR is town - town.
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Votecount of Get Someone to Post More Votecounts You Lurker Mod
ActionDan: (0)
Affinity: (0)
BT: (0)
Conqueror: (0)
Darkoda: (0)
Dorian: (0)
Dormio: Darkoda (1)
NekoNekoRex: PX, rawr, SasAmra-san, Dorian (4)
PX: (0)
rawr: Serela, Affinity (2)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: (0)
Zakeri: NekoNekoRex, Shadoweh, Conqueror, Dormio, BT (5)
Not Voting: Zakeri, ActionDan (2)
With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
You have 7 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130130T21&p0=%3A&msg=End+of+D1) hours and 22 minutes remaining.
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Dormio, elaborate on Zakeri > NNR. You said you'd be fine with NNR but I don't think you ever actually talked about him.
your beloved Dormio tomorrow now the celebrity that person
Watakushi-sama will post about NNR ashita but will say for ima that watakushi-sama doesn't like ano hito.
Yeah, it's this.
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No really, this is your only mention of him, you said you'd elaborate 'tomorrow' yet you didn't even mention him in your Zak vote 10 hours before deadline.
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Which points to NNR-Dormio scum but this is a retarded connection to make before NNR's flip.
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Both Zak and NNR should claim whenever they're here.
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Woah woah woah what why is Zak a leading wagon
And then request for... didn't Zak kind of already softclaim
Okay I guess he wasn't super firm about it but. It was pretty clear. And he wasn't even super at risk of being lynched in the face (He was a big wagon but there was others as well and plenty of time left in the day) so it'd be weird if he was scum -already- delegating himself to a vig claim, considering how likely that is to get scum lynched the next day since they, generally, are not actually vigs.
Also I like more flips so bring on the shooting please.
##unvote ##Vote NNR
Zak confirming he's actually a vig would still be good and all I suppose (Especially since apparently half the game doesn't believe he actually claimed it, so on second thought it would be a really good thing) but yeah we aren't lynching him today short of him coming in and saying "...oh, I'm not a vig whoops sorry" (Which would boggle my mind). You don't lynch claimed vigs before giving them a chance to shoot without a really good reason.
Is his ?I'm going to make a list of people who use that for their reasoning and select one to shoot tonight.? line really a vig claim?
The only way this is not clearly a vig claim is if he's joking, which it reaaaally doesn't seem like he is in this case given the context! :idonteven:
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My first reaction to that was actually "he's joking". He had absolutely nothing to post so something like that to fill in the void wasn't surprising (it's more of a scum move really but somehow I have lowered expectations for his play this game if town). I want to see an official claim.
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If nothing else the lack of post makes it seem even less like a joke. The main point of the post is getting the claim out and nothing else. As claim posts tend to be.
I don't really get how this is a "scum move" due to my explanation of why this would be REALLY TERRIBLE as scum in my post right up there.
I mean, Bard takes fake claiming rage too far because he gets mad even at very obvious not-serious's (Although I can understand), but this is a case where it'd be completely legitimate to WTF at someone if they weren't being serious. You don't just throw out something that looks exactly like a serious claim, when you're a big wagon, and the day is ticking down, and post it by itself because a claim post just needs a claim, if you're just kidding. And it's not rocket science to figure that out.
Anyway. Whatever. I need to shower before my haircut appointment. As long as Zak doesn't ACTUALLY GET LYNCHED out of this. And as a reminder from what I said last night, I won't be back before deadline after I leave, so past a possible short blurb post-shower, I'll see you guys d2 D:
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If he wanted to make a claim post the first thing on his mind would be to make the claim obvious. The claim wasn't obvious. Instead it came as a supplement to a lacking post which is a scummy move.
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And by not obvious I mean it's a softclaim that could be a joke that could be a bad reaction test et cetera. If he wanted to claim why not, you know, claim?
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And despite being online after I posted my question, Dormio decides to snooze without answering it.
I'm quite willing to swing a wagon his way instead.
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Darkoda, your vote is needed to get a majority of 8 (8!). Pick a leading wagon and tell us why you chose that wagon.
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Right now, yeah two wagons going, but as it is I'm really waiting for Zakeri to make that vigilante claim mentioned a bit more blatant; it seems kind of wishy-washy to me more than anything.
That said it would be pretty crazy to make that kind of claim even in jest at this point since it guarantees that you'll get voted off the next day if you don't prove it. I don't want to push him to L-1 without giving the chance to defend himself so;
##Unvote
##Vote NNR
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They were both at 5, actually, but yeah, that's fine.
NekoNekoRex is at L-2.
Zakeri is at L-3.
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South Gate Votecount
ActionDan: (0)
Affinity: (0)
BT: (0)
Conqueror: (0)
Darkoda: (0)
Dorian: (0)
Dormio: (0)
NekoNekoRex: PX, rawr, SasAmra-san, Dorian, Serela, Darkoda (6) [L-2]
PX: (0)
rawr: Affinity (1)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: (0)
Zakeri: NekoNekoRex, Shadoweh, Conqueror, Dormio, BT (5) [L-3]
Not Voting: ActionDan, Zakeri
NNR is at L-2
Zakeri is at L-3
Remember no majority=no lynch
With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
You have 6 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130130T21&p0=%3A&msg=End+of+D1) hours remaining.
Affinity has been prodded.
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I am very very tired today, and the turn of events has made me more tired. The choices today look really grim. In fact I doubt that I'll be around during deadline.
A quick recap on a few people; Dormio's Zakeri vote and Dorian's NNR vote are rather unimpressive and one-sided, based on 'less contribution' and 'bulk of content not on people NNR wants to lynch' respectively. Dorian is slightly better for telling us what he likes about Zakeri over NNR, however.
To be honest I would rather take rawr over any of NNR and Zakeri. I've already stated why I think NNR is town, and Zakeri, while utterly terrible, has a vig claim that seems too good to pass up. Compared to these, PX's pithy thing about having reasons to believe rawr town seem rather ambiguous and huh. But whatever. Between NNR and Zakeri I would definitely pick Zakeri. NNR's recent posts and reads only make him look better in my opinion, while Zakeri with his sparse manner has only gotten worse. Differences in their day games even overrides Zakeri's softclaim in my view. In short let me do this.
##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri
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Damn, all that defending myself and I'm going to be done in because I'm competing against a vig. Scumhunting is hard when the people you think are scummy barely post.
Do you people actually have non-claim related reasons to have a vote down? My role isn't exactly useful if I have to out it.
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There's four hours left too, we could always lynch Rawr or something instead of "having your vote on NekoRex because there's already votes on him"
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Ah fuck it, hiding my claim isn't going to earn me any brownie points with anyone.
I claim Freya, the Dragoon. At night I can commute to become impossible to target. I have helpfully crumbed this in my OP "I'm taking a bus to town today". Flavor is that like any Final Fantasy Dragoon I can use the Jump attack to stop existing for a turn.
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Hmm. If he's the Dragoon then that's definitely his action, but it could be a fakeclaim? Is there some kind of bad group in FF9? Even if he's the Dragoon, if there aren't any obvious bad guys, it could be either alignment.
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Actually drop the fakeclaim part, I believe the crumb.
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Actually no, that doesn't rule it out. Just... okay then.
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The scum were provided fakeclaims so boggling over whether or not mine is real is going to be an exercise in futility, you know.
Information over Analysis anyway. Go kill the guy who's scummy. Hint: It's not me.
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Me crumbing is just Standard Procedure anyway. If you want to waste your actions by trying to target me tonight so it can prove my role then be my guest.
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Why do you think they were provided fakeclaims? (mainly just curious here)
My vote's on Zak.
4 hours aren't enough to change wagons because plenty of people aren't going to post until deadline. (people left / people won't make it)
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Welcome to the world of Gaia.
Welcome, to
Final Fantasy 9 Mafia
Rules:
5. Scum have safeclaims.
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:derp:
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There is no one I'd rather see dead than Zak.
some of the NNR votes are not good imo.
##Vote: Zak
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Votecount of Lindblum
ActionDan: (0)
Affinity: (0)
BT: (0)
Conqueror: (0)
Darkoda: (0)
Dorian: (0)
Dormio: (0)
NekoNekoRex: PX, rawr, SasAmra-san, Dorian, Serela, Darkoda (6) [L-2]
PX: (0)
rawr: (0)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: (0)
Zakeri: NekoNekoRex, Shadoweh, Conqueror, Dormio, BT, Affinity, ActionDan (7) [L-1]
Not voting: Zakeri
With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
You have 3 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130130T21&p0=%3A&msg=End+of+D1) hours remaining.
Zakeri is at L-1!
NekoNekoRex is at L-2!
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##Unvote
##Vote Zakeri
In the interest of getting something done this day and rethinking my stance on NNR, let's go with this. Not much justification beyond that.
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I have nothing but future promises, and a vote.
##Vote; NekoNekoRex
I'm Regent Cid Fabool IX, of Lindblum.
I can invent three things and hand them off to other people one at a time, but I only have a vague idea of what each of the three things do.
I'm Town aligned.
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##Unvote
##Vote Zakeri
6. Votes must be bolded with the double octothorpes, as so: ##Vote: <player>. Same applies to unvotes.
Zakeri is at L-1!
NekoNekoRex is at L-1!
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##Unvote NNR
Pending future thoughts.
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I have nothing but future promises, and a vote.
##Vote; NekoNekoRex
I'm Regent Cid Fabool IX, of Lindblum.
I can invent three things and hand them off to other people one at a time, but I only have a vague idea of what each of the three things do.
I'm Town aligned.
so what was that about shooting someone in the night LOL
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#Unvote Zakeri
<_<
Can you describe the vagueness?
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##Unvote Zakeri
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yeah yeah, I admit I overreacted to Dan's attack of Serela.
##Unvote
But meh, in all honesty, it was either that or I go "zomg Everyone is town, vote: nobody."
Also, people who are using the votepark on Darkoda thing against me really need to start paying attention. It's annoying when people try to cash in on buzzwords like that, no matter who they come from.
I'm going to make a list of people who use that for their reasoning and select one to shoot tonight.
At this point, though, I don't even have anywhere to vote park, but I might as well prodskirt.
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Gizamaluke's Votecount
NekoNekoRex: PX, rawr, SasAmra-san, Dorian, Serela, Zakeri (6) [L-2]
Zakeri: NekoNekoRex, Shadoweh, Conqueror, Dormio, Affinity, ActionDan (6) [L-2]
Not voting: BT, Darkoda
You have 2.66 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130130T21&p0=%3A&msg=End+of+D1) hours remaining until the end of the day.
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The question was to Zak.
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p sure early vig claim was to get people away from him.
Once that failed he's trying to claim this inventor role to save his skin.
It's technically confirmable, but he's made himself into an obvious rb target so we'll never know
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Is anyone else even likely to post before deadline
Oh wait there's rawr
Get in here rawr
I'll re-vote after that.
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I'd post but I'm already voting Zak? I told you not to fakeclaim bro, I have kittens in my blood. As tempted as I am to vote NNR for BEING FREYA YOU BASTARD. Also are you really telling me you were an inventor and you forgot to crumb it in your first or confirmation posts? Zakeri never forgets to crumb even when he's scum. >8<
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Actually I'm kind of concerned by Amra's almost quicklynch attempt down there, Amra did you not realize he was at Level 1 or did you really want to lynch him that badly?
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UHHHH more importantly can we acctually get people in here voting because I have to go in like a half hour and someone needs to bring the hammer down on someone.
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I can send an offense based object, and defense based object, or a strategy based object.
The person I give it to can use it for whatever they want to.
Also, the vig was a blatant lie. If I do have one, I don't have enough direct control to actually use a list of targets.
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edit: there's no reason to crumb. Even if I were scum, my role would have stayed the same through the whole game.
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Why did you lie then?
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1 hour and 15 minutes remaining in the day
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<_<
This is such a crapshoot. Me and my vote is here but I'm really unhappy with this now.
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Good morning everyone.
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okay I gotta go. Votes down on -someone- please within the hour.
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Why did you lie then?
Because I could.
Morning, PX. o/
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Alright, for FFIX, there are a bunch of bad guys, but they're not a group. They're all fighting each other as well. As for how that relates to this game, it doesn't. Mods would be stupid to have flavor mixed in like that where the obvious bad guys are bad.
As for claims, Zak's more likely to be a fakeclaim. However, crumbing is dumb. I'll read some more and make my decision.
##Unvote
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Because I could.
That's.... a pretty terrible answer.
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Now my question here is what's crumbng?
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Fun questions:
Zak, what race are you
NNR, where are you from
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Now my question here is what's crumbng?
It's dropping hints in your post about you being a certain PR. Like having the first letter of every sentence in your first post spell "IM A VIG" or something. It's stupid.
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NNR, where are you from
I don't know, I didn't play FF9. Do you want me to go google my character or something?
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im here classes are over. upon skimming shit zakeris made a fake vig claim which is pretty lame
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This is why you don't get into role spekulashans
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huh didnt he mention shooting people at night at some point?
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I always have a list of people I want to shoot at night. Doesn't mean I roll vig all the time (wish I did)
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fair enough i guess so uhh yea back to reading
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Also, made my decision.
##Vote Zakeri
Based solely on who I want alive more on D2.
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A good idea would be to vote for the scummy person.
Zak didn't claim vig but he admitted the softclaim was a blatant lie, which I don't see any good reason why he would want to lie.
PX, you may have a list but you don't announce you're going to shoot someone at night if you're not a vig. Zak specifically said he was going to shoot someone, which heavily implied he had such a role.
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Also, made my decision.
##Vote Zakeri
Based solely on who I want alive more on D2.
This does not take roles into account, because fuckall.
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PX, you may have a list but you don't announce you're going to shoot someone at night if you're not a vig. Zak specifically said he was going to shoot someone, which heavily implied he had such a role.
Not gonna lie NNR, I want to change my mind and vote you instead specifically for pushing this now.
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Fun questions:
Zak, what race are you
NNR, where are you from
It doesn't specify, but I have to assume human since I can tinker around.
I think PX is saying he thinks we're either both or neither scum, but he should probably clarify before someone hammers one of us.
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If I even need to elaborate about this, there's nothing wrong with joking around and using the word 'shoot' doesn't automatically mean you're softclaiming a vig. Being dense about this right now reads desperate.
I think PX is saying he thinks we're either both or neither scum, but he should probably clarify before someone hammers one of us.
Seconded? Didn't notice anything like this.
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Not gonna lie NNR, I want to change my mind and vote you instead specifically for pushing this now.
I'm not pushing the role claim, I'm pushing the fact he lied.
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Lied about what? Claiming vig?
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I'm annoyed at myself for using the word 'desperate' because I don't know WHY he'd be desperate, Zak is the likely lynch, but it's a crap thing to pull right now either way.
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15 minutes left
Zakeri is at L-1
NNR is at L-3
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Are we at Zak L-1 NNR L-3 right now?
Are Amra and Darkoda around?
cuts *_*
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PX why do you want NNR alive for D2?
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Edit: Obviously, My race is fox. :V
I was responding to NNR pointing out to PX that he should be voting for the most scummy, not most aggravating to deal with.
Edit: Day one lynch isn't anything to act desperate about. If I get lynched, I don't feel bad going this early.
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Yes. Scum have safeclaims, they have no reason to lie about their role. Why would he do that unless it was to push people off his wagon?
I am probably overthinking this but my vote has been on Zak all day + my wagon is full of really bad votes so I am kind of determined to see this through.
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Rather, it'd be much worse if I make it to day 4 and get lynched, compared to this scenario.
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I don't think that's it because PX was all about how scum NNR looked today.
rawr I know you're around, I think you're still on NNR? How does Zak's lame fake claim relate to this?
Questions at Ten Minutes to Deadline
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Indeed, Zak has it correct
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NNR you are thinking through this.
Bleh I probably am going to end up voting Zak anyway.
No cookies if I don't get answers (from PX / rawr / Amra / everyone else in the game pretty much because no one answers my questions) in the next 5 minutes since I'm hammering then.
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Wait, you think Zak is scummier than NNR?
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*NNR you are overthinking this.
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rawr I know you're around, I think you're still on NNR? How does Zak's lame fake claim relate to this?
:| im still reading.
at this point i dont think it means anything since px brought up a good point about it.
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Which point?
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the one where i feel like shooting someone tonight but not really because im not a vig
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At this point, it's a coinflip. I think NNR is still scummier than Zak, but at this point I'd rather lynch Zak because I can get a better read on NNR D2 based on D1.
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Okay. I think IHNN's clock is a bit faster (gonna be before x:00) so I'm gonna hammer in a minute.
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##Vote Zakeri
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Okay. I think IHNN's clock is a bit faster (gonna be before x:00) so I'm gonna hammer in a minute.
w/e ill respond to affinity, conq, you? d2 then
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End of
Disc Day 1 Votecount
ActionDan: (0)
Affinity: (0)
BT: (0)
Conqueror: (0)
Darkoda: (0)
Dorian: (0)
Dormio: (0)
NekoNekoRex: rawr, SasAmra-san, Dorian, Serela, Zakeri (5)
PX: (0)
rawr: (0)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: (0)
Zakeri: NekoNekoRex, Shadoweh, Conqueror, Dormio, Affinity, ActionDan, PX, BT ( 8 ) LYNCH
Not voting: Darkoda
Zakeri has been lynched. He was playing as Cid Fabool IX, Town Inventor.
Each night you can choose to tinker in your workshop to try to create an offensive device, a defensive device or a strategic device to give to any other player. You only have the parts to create one of each device.
It is now Night 1. You have 25 hours (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130131T17&p0=911) to send in any night actions you have.
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One, I'm not even sure what all the levels mean and all these slang terms are really putting me off. two, now that I see the softclaim and sudden switcharoo, Zak seems even scummier. third, I jusr personally dislike no lynch days and Im probably ignorant to all the special tells I'm probably putting off. Zak seems scummy and Im not sure about nnr anymore, thats all.
##unvote nnr
##vote zakeri
edit: wonderful cockblocked out of my proper vote change.
I said no posting after hammer, please keep this in mind.
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The second day dawned, and 1 more was missing.
ActionDan, playing Mikoto, Vanilla Townie, rejoined the cycle of souls!
It is now DAY 2.
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
You have 72 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130203T18&p0=911&msg=End+of+D2) hours remaining.
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##Vote NNR
Lynch all liars is terrible. I'll make a bigger post after class and stuff.
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And I'm a cat ho!
and I'm a cat ah!
I've got a tail yeah!
want some tail hey?
Well I'm dead.
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I have a different bone to pick first.
##Vote: Conqueror
What the hell was Post #293? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942642.html#msg942642) It looked like you threw up your arms at arguing and then voted Zakeri just because? Lynching order aside, I fail to see how if you truly thought he was a vig you wouldn't consider Neko a better option (and Neko hadn't claimed yet so etc.) Basically I'm asking why PX going RAWR IS MY WAIFU would make you ignore your own reasoning about why Zak was a vig to go 'oh whatever let's lynch the townie'.
I just realized this is FF9 mafia and I have no idea who Dan was <.<
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I wish I had more votes so that I could put them all on the people who voted me yesterday
Except BT. He's fine.
PX had no case on me yesterday except for that ED1 sheeping thing, and then by the end of the day he upgraded it to "Ignoring all your post content, ##Vote because AtE".
Rawr didn't even make a clear reason past sheeping, and refused to explain the vote later on.
Serela can't sheep harder. That might be hypocritical since my first vote was a sheep, but at least I came up for non-roleclaim-related reasons later on. Serela just sheepvoted on me the whole time.
Also because the person I sheeped actually flipped town.
Doian's case was bad because read post #232, although he's not really scummy for it as much as "baseless accusations" PX and the Scum Voting Block.
##Vote: PX
Darkoda and Amra-san got a handhold on D1 but they need to start forming their own opinions and voting.
Dormio needs to start explaining things because he can't hide behind his post restriction forever.
The rest of you lot are off the hook because you're probably town.
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There is absolutely no reason any townie should make up bullshit lies. Yes, I realize there are gambits which can SOMETIMES help town (like a reaction test, or fakeclaiming to mislead scum, but just being confusing by pulling stunts like that isn't helpful for anyone.
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In fact I think Serela's #309 exemplifies perfectly why you shouldn't fuck around claiming roles you don't have.
Also it's a good reason to vote Serela in general, what with all the "I have no reason here why NekoRex is actually scummy"
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##Vote: PX
PX going full-on NNR hate mode without really considering much else (even NNR's own content!) is disheartening. In his first post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg941905.html#msg941905) he votes NNR for....
3)Sheep so people can't complain about lack of vote
While I thought this post was previously solid, this reason seems rather made up. Why wouldn't people complain about NNR sheeping in that case, if that was what happened?
His add-ons to his case, namely AtE and 'LaL is terrible' are also not too impressive., especially when NNR started giving reads on other people which PX did not acknowledge. I also noticed that he doesn't address NNR' changing reads on BT much at all. All these make me think that his vote has lost its original focus (lack of original scumreads on others), and that he's continuing to vote NNR just because he is a viable target. All this deserves a vote.
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Neko, I findd it much more likely that scum would happily push a 'claimed vig' over you, so looking at your own wagon for the entire scum team is probably a bad idea. Do you think you have a better case on Serela then on PX? Because your PX case is based around him hating you..
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Other things of note include Dormio's horrible mid and late-D1. In general, he never stated his opinion on NNR (major wagon) the entire D1 which I want to see soon. Dorian's lack of currency until the very end of D1 and his somewhat disappointing vote on NNR is a thing too. Would like him to clarify on his opinion on rawr:
About Rawr, not sure if it's bias from last game but I get the impression that he puts more thoughts in his post than last time. I never thought I would see the day but I'm not interested in his lynch right now.
which really sort of begs the question.
Also seconding Shadoweh's question on NNR about placing all his scum suspects on his wagon, which seems rather unlikely. Surely you are not saying that everyone who went for Zakeri were town, that just sounds selfish.
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Shadoweh re:Conq, I agree 293 is really weird, but I think everything -else- he did is pretty townie looking... hrm.
Would still love to lynch Rawr apart from PX being weird about him, but I'm not going to not like a lynch on rawr just because of that. Example of why: HW in Welcome to NHK mafia having an unexplained clear on someone for reasons contained in his role PM, and it turned out the guy was actually scum after all.
Rawr literally hasn't posted since the last time I commented on him unless I'm forgetting something (if I did it was probably a near-deadline tiny blurb that doesn't matter) so moving on.
I think PX is town because scum doesn't commit to having weird unexplained and most likely role-related clears of someone who isn't even a big wagon, on d1 , when they themselves aren't even being suspected either. I mean I used too many reasons right here, but tl;dr it seems really unscummy. As for the rest of the stuff, I think PX's first contentpost was pretty townie+ at the time too, and... that... PX tends to be kind of questionable as town anyway so the rest of his play doesn't really surprise me. Yes that means this is partially a bluh meta clear, but I have non-meta reasons too D:
I thought Dormio was town ED1, but later in the day, his posting seems really lackluster. He makes vague easy comments like "X isn't contributing much" and votes big wagons without talking about any specific details, and jumps on the Zak wagon post-not-actually-vig-claim without commenting on that either. Yes, it turned out it wasn't a claim, but it doesn't change that it really looked like one at the time and at least deserved a mention even if you didn't think it was serious :C (tl;dr I think Dormio is scummy. A lot of the time people imply/say that I'm really unclear whether I actually mean I think someone is scummy or not)
BT/Affinity are fine although Affinity if you could explain how you feel about people who aren't PX that would be p.cool
Shadoweh's targets seem kind of strange but I think it'd be weirder for that to come from scum then town. Then again one of them was also the claimed vig (...kinda) :T I'unno. she doesn't look particularly scummy though either? I guess what I'm saying here is that she's null and I don't really have many thoughts on her.
NNR: oh wait a second
I'm being cut by affinity beating me to dormio I'm posting now waaaaaaah I wanted to be the first to say Dormio looks scummy D:
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Neko, I findd it much more likely that scum would happily push a 'claimed vig' over you, so looking at your own wagon for the entire scum team is probably a bad idea. Do you think you have a better case on Serela then on PX? Because your PX case is based around him hating you..
There was a wagon on two townies at the end of D1. I don't play scum so I don't know how they prioritize claims. imo vigs are just as likely to miss and shoot town anyway.
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Forgot to mention the obvious part of that post that "the scum were free to try and get either of us lynched, it was a town/town wagon"
Besides I was confident in that wagon and I'm confident in the town reads on most of the people on that wagon. Zak played like scum, and he got lynched.
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Now my thoughts have been interrupted. Uh. Who's left in a list. Newbies are new, Zak and Dan are dead, oh yeah Dorian and NNR
Also because the person I sheeped actually flipped town.
I don't know why you're mentioning this when
A.Scum don't really sheep other scum often (at least not blatantly in public) for a variety of reasons, in any case sheeping a townie doesn't make sheeping stop having any of the bad qualities of, well, being sheep-y
B.The person your sheepvote was for flipped town as well so uh
but I digress
Serela can't sheep harder. That might be hypocritical since my first vote was a sheep, but at least I came up for non-roleclaim-related reasons later on. Serela just sheepvoted on me the whole time.
This sure is weird considering I never sheep voted you. Are you still on about the "YOU WERE SHEEPING PX" thing that I wasn't even serious about when I said it? Because it wasn't actually true? As I said in the same sentence where I mentioned sheeping PX so that it'd be obvious yet multiple people still frown-faced at me for it why :C
I already explained in previous posts when this was brought up before, that it wasn't what was going on, so I'll move onto the more likely reason you're saying this. The end of day thing, which seems likely considering you reference it!
"I hate the other choice" is a pretty legitimate way to choose between two end of day wagons. Suggesting last minute quickwagons instead is generally ew. Granted, you should have an opinion on the person you do vote, for sure, but; I had already given reasons I thought you were scum before, anyway, so it's not as if me wanting you lynched was a new revelation. Although, at that point I was more just being lazy because I hated the other lynch option, though :T I almost say "why did zak get lynched again" but then I remember the part where he wasn't actually a vig.
As for my actual current opinion on NNR, it sure isn't improved by his current D2 stuff. I disagree with the bullet on PX, on myself, and already explained why I think bullet 4 is weird. Passing off the entire Zak wagon as town (see post 409 for yes he is doing this) is :idonteven: If Zakeri is playing like scum and got lynched for it, why would it be unlikely for actual scum to be voting him too?
And then Dorian and I'm done oh god I'm tired of reading mafia and thinking now. Well... he was behind for almost the entirety of D1. When he finally caught up, it was end-day, so understandably he only paid attention to the two end day wagons. I'd like to see what he thinks about everyone else now because we all have ~*~no idea~*~ and it's good to always know what people think about other people! ...in mafia, not in real life. tl;dr information is power etc
Okay so let's see. Summary. Would lynch Rawr, Dormio, NNR. Not sure about priority because I'm really tired right now and just got off work.
And for NNR's latest post, unless you're REALLY SURE the vig does NOT want to shoot any of the scum, the small benefit of a townie getting offed (Maybe not even a benefit as it's quite likely one who would have been pretty mislynchable) is not worth the risk of the really terrible event of a scum getting shot and it didn't even take up a lynch slot and give them another nk in exchange for the loss, plus it invents a new townie (The vig) who is not very likely to get lynched, and having more of those around is annoying.
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Ooh my god. How can you possibly be so arrogant.
The fact that he was 'playing like scum' just means it was easier for scum to try to lynch him. Easier to justify and easier to push in order to hide behind words like 'he deserved it'. He didn't, he was town trying to buy himself a day to either get killed or fire off an invention which would confirm his role. Trying to wave away the wagon is extremely scummy because you're basically telling people to ignore the flips.
This is also why I think a wagon on PX is badd, PX is being really town and NNR definitely deserves it for first acting like he was screwed going up against a power role, then claiming a power role himself (BP lol).
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So wait, let me get this straight. You think Serela is scum because he's sheeping. You said you were sheeping your first post, BUT it's okay because the person flipped town. And you think Serela is scum because he's sheeping someone on your wagon, because the entire wagon is scum. ???
Cut Serela phone post yay post later see ya
Cut Shadoweh gdi
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oh wait I didn't vote
Hi PX :D
##Vote NNR
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So wait, let me get this straight. You think Serela is scum because he's sheeping. You said you were sheeping your first post, BUT it's okay because the person flipped town. And you think Serela is scum because he's sheeping someone on your wagon, because the entire wagon is scum. ???
Serela never made any original reasons why I'm scum, and got off scot free for sheeping, yet when I start off the day sheeping it gets me nearly lynched?
The same goes for rawr here.
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How the fuck is PX town, Shadoweh? He didn't do anything useful up until the very end of D1.
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Also you guys are twisting my words. The people I have town reads on are town. Hell, I even think a couple people that were on my wagon most of the day are town. Quit taking the broad statements literally here as if it's the only thing I said
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He didn't, he was town trying to buy himself a day to either get killed or fire off an invention which would confirm his role.
Zak could have avoided a lynch by actually playing the game, making reads, contributing, and finding scum to lynch.
Instead what he did was vote dan for two whole days for a poke Dan made on Serela, then spent the last one doing a Me Over Not Me.
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*Not Me Over Me
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Also you guys are twisting my words. The people I have town reads on are town. Hell, I even think a couple people that were on my wagon most of the day are town. Quit taking the broad statements literally here as if it's the only thing I said
Read your first line of the day. I'm just saiyan.
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I have a different bone to pick first.
##Vote: Conqueror
What the hell was Post #293? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942642.html#msg942642) It looked like you threw up your arms at arguing and then voted Zakeri just because? Lynching order aside, I fail to see how if you truly thought he was a vig you wouldn't consider Neko a better option (and Neko hadn't claimed yet so etc.) Basically I'm asking why PX going RAWR IS MY WAIFU would make you ignore your own reasoning about why Zak was a vig to go 'oh whatever let's lynch the townie'.
ebwodp: in other words my lynching priorities are still the same as in the post above. nnr is on the list because he's a major wagon but i dont think he's that scummy right now so would prefer not to lynch him over the other options
just trying to explain my thought process a little
Gosh, read my posts Shadoweh. Zakeri read scummier than NNR by far and by that point I didn't really want to lynch NNR anymore. I switched off of Zak in the first place only because I wanted to lynch rawr instead.
At this point, it's a coinflip. I think NNR is still scummier than Zak, but at this point I'd rather lynch Zak because I can get a better read on NNR D2 based on D1.
Would like PX to explain this though, given how he opened D2.
Will catch up on this game later, but I probably need to replace out tomorrow because I'll be having sporadic access.
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Ooh my god. How can you possibly be so arrogant.
The fact that he was 'playing like scum' just means it was easier for scum to try to lynch him. Easier to justify and easier to push in order to hide behind words like 'he deserved it'. He didn't, he was town trying to buy himself a day to either get killed or fire off an invention which would confirm his role. Trying to wave away the wagon is extremely scummy because you're basically telling people to ignore the flips.
(It's NNR, he's an arrogant jerkass. Do you think he's scum or do you just hate his attitude?)
(I remember PX getting lynched for doing the exact same thing in NotV)
This is also why I think a wagon on PX is badd, PX is being really town and NNR definitely deserves it for first acting like he was screwed going up against a power role, then claiming a power role himself (BP lol).
What does this even mean? NNR "deserves it"? wtf?
That said, I'm not really inclined to lynch PX today. Will look at NNR again I suppose, but I think I'd want to lynch Dorian over both.
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Read your first line of the day. I'm just saiyan.
It's followed by a list of scum reads
Just "saiyan".
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EBWOP:
To expand on my response to Shadoweh, if Zak was a vig his confirmability was shot once he claimed, so then we're dealing with play. Given that Zak literally had zero scumspects when he softclaimed and his claim wasn't even a proper claim, yes, that supersedes my guesswork about Zak being a lazy power role who could prove himself because then he could just be lazy scum trying to get people off his back. As you said, even you had scumspects in PoR.
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Passing off the entire Zak wagon as town (see post 409 for yes he is doing this) is :idonteven: If Zakeri is playing like scum and got lynched for it, why would it be unlikely for actual scum to be voting him too?
Forgot to mention the obvious part of that post that "the scum were free to try and get either of us lynched, it was a town/town wagon"
Besides I was confident in that wagon and I'm confident in the town reads on most of the people on that wagon. Zak played like scum, and he got lynched.
I wish I had more votes so that I could put them all on the people who voted me yesterday
Except BT. He's fine.
PX had no case on me yesterday except for that ED1 sheeping thing, and then by the end of the day he upgraded it to "Ignoring all your post content, ##Vote because AtE".
Rawr didn't even make a clear reason past sheeping, and refused to explain the vote later on.
Serela can't sheep harder. That might be hypocritical since my first vote was a sheep, but at least I came up for non-roleclaim-related reasons later on. Serela just sheepvoted on me the whole time.
Also because the person I sheeped actually flipped town.
Doian's case was bad because read post #232, although he's not really scummy for it as much as "baseless accusations" PX and the Scum Voting Block.
##Vote: PX
Darkoda and Amra-san got a handhold on D1 but they need to start forming their own opinions and voting.
Dormio needs to start explaining things because he can't hide behind his post restriction forever.
The rest of you lot are off the hook because you're probably town.
NekoNekoRex: rawr, SasAmra-san, Dorian, Serela, Zakeri (5)
Zakeri: NekoNekoRex, Shadoweh, Conqueror, Dormio, Affinity, ActionDan, PX, BT ( 8 ) LYNCH
Serela can't read.
PX is probably being a dick on purpose.
Actually, ##Vote: Dorian for now.
I'll make a proper post later.
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Darkoda, please post in this thread. A penny for your thoughts!
Seriously, man. You haven't had a serious scumspect all game. Who do you think is scum? :3
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Right since most of the reads so far have been based on what people know of others normal behaviour, I haven't been getting much and can just judge on what the posts feel like to me.
Anyway, right now reading over everything, the only person who really sticks out as odd is Dormio. Ignoring the crazy japanese posting, he kept posting about PX but in the end didn't give much reasoning and just kind of...dropped off.
I'm not sure but something seems a bit off and I don't think it's just his posts being inherently a pain to read (which I think is suspicious in of itself, making his posts that much harder to get a read off of.)
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I was GOING to post this straight away but a certain mod decided to move deadine by 2 hours, causing me to snooze in anticipation. At least it won't be a ghost town this time. <_<
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##Vote NekoNekoRex
Still angry at my NNR flipflop. I feel as though if it weren't for Zak being an easy vote NNR would've continued flailing around, because like I said, he hasn't scumhunted, like, at all. Looking back his Zak vote was pretty much a votepark for the entirety of D1. I'm also angry at the already stated random desperation at the end of the day, pushing Zak's "gonna shoot" comment like some terrible lie that can't be forgiven. Wanting to see the Zak vote through is one thing but I think this is a little too much, hence my choice of words. To top it all off, one-night untargetable is a fucking stupid role for a townie -- it's a staple of the Dragoon so I could see scum automatically choosing to claim that ability without thinking it through.
What I said earlier about Dormio is still pretty bad -- he neglected to comment on the NNR wagon despite promising to and instead jumped on the other wagon which he did not comment on AT ALL prior, not even once. I was going to say that NNR's flip would help a lot here but it's terrible both if NNR is scum and if NNR is town so :whatever:. I'd be happy to see this guy go too.
Honestly Dormio. Share your glorious thought process with me here:
your beloved Dormio tomorrow now the celebrity that person
Watakushi-sama will post about NNR ashita but will say for ima that watakushi-sama doesn't like ano hito.
Votecount of Dali
NekoNekoRex: PX, rawr, SasAmra-san (3)
Zakeri: ActionDan, NekoNekoRex, Conqueror (3)
You have 24 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130130T21&p0=%3A&msg=End+of+D1) hours remaining.
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I had to make my own votecount. Just before the quote below:
NekoNekoRex: PX, rawr, SasAmra-san, Dorian (4)
Zakeri: NekoNekoRex, Shadoweh, Conqueror (3)
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If need be, watashi will switch to Zakeri.
ctrl+f magic says this is your first mention of Zakeri itg. It also tells me the other quote is your first mention of NNR but let's take one thing at a time.
Thou Shall Not Lynch From This List
Serela
Amra
PX
Dan
Shadoweh
Shadoweh probably the weakest read (among super strong town reads) but her reads (especially the gut reads) were almost identical to mine so far. Amra mostly for that last post after deadline. Actually I think Shadoweh is the stronger read. Anyway, Serela, PX and Dan are 100% town.
I tried reading Conq again. Read him as town one half of the time, read him as scum the other half. His vote went from NNR to Zak to rawr to Zak and some of his posts near the end give me Futo vibes. ... I don't really have anything to say here. I'm just realy annoyed.
Question for Affinity:
Dormio voted ActionDan for not having a vote. Why are people voting him for being incomprehensible when that much is obvious? This question is particularly aimed at Darkoda who was voting Dan in the first place.
@rawr: How is Dormio's posting style drawing people away from him when it is plainly the opposite?
Where does this Dormio defense stem from?
Also want rawr to get off his couch and post more because I don't want PX to be forced to share his reasoning.
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As for recent posts:
:D I like your Conq vote Shadoweh. I don't think it was impossible for Conq to do that but he needs to explain ...
NNR how exactly how you reading 'everyone else town' while reading PX and Serela as scum. It looks more like you're STILL not scumhunting and instead looking at your wagon like some kind of all-scum wagon. Why would it be an all-scum wagon? What would compell you to look there after a D1 with, in your perspective, two town wagons? Going 'everyone else is probably town' as a result is really yuck.
As for your reply to the LAL thing, yes, there's no reason for a townie to do it, only they do it all the time. It's not like you never played mafia or anything. <_< You still had no reason to stand up and say "no, fuck that, he shall be lynched for it". This and the other things you do like what I pointed out above probably aren't coming from a townie thinking things through so vote stays.
Oh whatever. I stopped reading at Serela's posts, I think? I'll be back in 8 hours. Just want people to respond to this for now.
In addition I've only skimmed through Affinity's posts so I may be discrediting here but you are currently voting PX.
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Early Day 1 Dormio did post a good (for that time) case on ActionDan, and yet people didn't acknowledge this when they voted for Dormio solely due to the posting style. Was pretty much questioning people for their one-sided assessment on Dormio. When I came back attention shifted elsewhere however, and Amra and Darkoda pretty much receded into the background while the others changed their votes. Now, Dormio seems rather lackluster so I guess those points are moot now.
How is PX town?
Darkoda is not adapting well to internet mafia and is pretty much not bothering to assess anyone's arguments, which is infuriating. I want to know; what do you think of the various votes being thrown around? You can't possibly agree with every stance being put forward out there (for and against NNR for example) without becoming inconsistent. Dormio being tough to read due to posting style is old, stale by now. Relying on your own personal ideas of what is scummy and not without considering or countering other people's ideas is really narrow-minded.
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I was GOING to post this straight away but a certain mod decided to move deadine by 2 hours, causing me to snooze in anticipation. At least it won't be a ghost town this time. <_<
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##Vote NekoNekoRex
Still angry at my NNR flipflop. I feel as though if it weren't for Zak being an easy vote NNR would've continued flailing around, because like I said, he hasn't scumhunted, like, at all. Looking back his Zak vote was pretty much a votepark for the entirety of D1. Right, because I definitely had SO MUCH content of Zakeri's to criticize throughout all of D1. I'm also angry at the already stated random desperation at the end of the day, You should put yourself on the receiving end of the Voting Train and say that again. pushing Zak's "gonna shoot" comment like some terrible lie that can't be forgiven. Wanting to see the Zak vote through is one thing but I think this is a little too much, hence my choice of words. It is kind of a hard transition to go from being forced to twiddle my thumbs for him all day to suddenly having a bunch of content to criticize. Dan brought up the same points and nobody is giving him shit, either (because he's dead and flopped town) To top it all off, one-night untargetable is a fucking stupid role for a townie -- it's a staple of the Dragoon so I could see scum automatically choosing to claim that ability without thinking it through. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL when the fuck did I say it was one-shot?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Scum have safeclaims anyways so even if I were scum I wouldn't be that idiotic to fake it. I assume they have completely believable claims and that remark only shows how ignorant you are right now.
NNR how exactly how you reading 'everyone else town' while reading PX and Serela as scum. Because Serela and PX and Rawr are useless jerkoffs with no good reason to be voting me. PX and Rawr have barely contributed anything either. It looks more like you're STILL not scumhunting and instead looking at your wagon like some kind of all-scum wagon. Wasn't the first time my wagon was scum-funded. Why would it be an all-scum wagon? Clearly because I am an easy target for my natural noise-making abilities and controversial replies. But fuck if I really know. Also please reread my reads, thanks. What would compell you to look there after a D1 with, in your perspective, two town wagons? Why wouldn't it? I was a still perfectly viable lynch target by the end of D1 Going 'everyone else is probably town' as a result is really yuck. Just for you I will retract that statement but only in the case of Shadoweh. Everyone else still reads town to me.i
As for your reply to the LAL thing, yes, there's no reason for a townie to do it, only they do it all the time. Unless I am pulling a bullshit gambit like claiming Doctor when I am really the BP, no, there is not really any good reason to lie to town. It's not like you never played mafia or anything. This will be my 9th month on the forums here. I have still only had one Scum game not counting Best Idea. <_< You still had no reason to stand up and say "no, fuck that, he shall be lynched for it". The claim was clearly causing confusion among the players as to the voting response and validity of the claim. As a townie, do you want players to do that, and then watch their negative response as you retract the claim? Fuck no. Gambits are not just pranks you can pull on townies.This and the other things you do like what I pointed out above probably aren't coming from a townie thinking things through so vote stays.
In addition I've only skimmed through Affinity's posts so I may be discrediting here but you are currently voting PX. PX is beta-tier obvscum so I don't see a problem with that imo. You should really adjust those reading glasses.
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... Cereal question here. Are you a JOB alt?
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No, but I can tell you this:
I am currently having an awful day.
Perfect for playing Mafia
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what the strongest I now
Nani did watakushi-sama miss? Watashi is reading ima.
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NNR, shut up about PX for a moment because "LOLOLOL PX IS OBVSCUM" is not going to cut it when half the game wants to lynch you instead. Stop complaining about the wagon on you yesterday and start ANALYZING the players, and not just the ones on your wagon. Why is PX "obvscum?"
PX stop goading him ffs.
Right since most of the reads so far have been based on what people know of others normal behaviour, I haven't been getting much and can just judge on what the posts feel like to me.
Anyway, right now reading over everything, the only person who really sticks out as odd is Dormio. Ignoring the crazy japanese posting, he kept posting about PX but in the end didn't give much reasoning and just kind of...dropped off.
I'm not sure but something seems a bit off and I don't think it's just his posts being inherently a pain to read (which I think is suspicious in of itself, making his posts that much harder to get a read off of.)
You don't need to know what people's "normal" behaviour is to get a read on then. That's called meta and it's not the basis of good scumhunting, only a tool that people resort to because it's easy. You say that Dormio is odd, but do you think he's scum? As it is now you're not putting forward effort we can see. Post stream of thought in the thread for all I care, but the point is we have to see who you think is scum, and preferably why. If you're town, it'll be hard but not impossible, unless you're newbscum that doesn't know how to fake reads. So if you're town, show us.
@People voting NNR
Give me a good reason why NNR is scum beyond "complains like a bitch" and "overdefends himself."
Look, say you're a townie on the end of a D1 wagon, and the person you've been voting all day and think is scum is the other wagon. You're going to push that wagon by any means necessary. So how is this different from what NNR did?
Making more posts.
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EBWOP: Also, the green bolded text inside quoted blocks of text is disgusting and impossible to read. Don't do it.
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PX are you just going to screw around like you did during D1 and the short time you were alive during the last game or are you actually going to read the thread / provide reasons for your vote / answer questions directed at you
Note that I can also direct that at Rawr and Dormio, alebit bar the "short-lived time alive D1"
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Would orange be a better color Conq?
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Dorian, what's your opinion on Dan now because I can't get it from your post, and why is NNR rambling about BT scummy when for the most part he's either answering questions about BT or in a back-and-forth with him?
NNR: I recall that his ?null reads post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg941705.html#msg941705)? gave me a uncertain town impression. But now that I look into it again do I see that I have the same problem with his Zakeri vote that I have with Dans. He voiced suspicion on BT, Zakeri and to a much lesser degree Dan too but he left with an empty unvote (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg941855.html#msg941855). He kinda withdrawn his suspicion on BT as he voted Zakeri later, but he still keep on dancing around BT and it took him indeed quite some time to clarify this dance as town read. The problem I see here isn't the lack of clarity in his BT read but more that I have to wonder why he feels the need to talk that much about BT in the first place if he think he's town? He said ?... Zak is my only scumread and Shadoweh is fuck-knows-where so I can't vote him either. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942067.html#msg942067)? That's fine, but his efforts to find alternatives are quite limited, not to say vanishingly low compared to his BT ramblings.
I have to say that I'm not sure what he's doing but I'm quite sure that it's not scum hunting.
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
Requoting my relevant part of my query to Dorian yesterday which he didn't answer.
Because if you look at Dorian's NNR vote, that's really all he's saying. NNR talks a lot about BT only for him to conclude BT is town. But how is that scummy, like, at all? Seems like a contrived way to jump on the wagon where there are reasons to find NNR scummy that make a lot more sense. There's no oomph behind the vote, and it feels like he's jumping on NNR only because he's a major wagon, while using an empty argument to fluff up the vote.
Dorian's followup post on Zak and the others is completely uninspiring, and there's this too:
@Conqueror: I'm still not clearing Dan even when I'm less certain right now that he's scum, if I ever was certain about him, I mean we are talking about a ED1 case.
Which feels like a weird way to backtrack from an "ED1 case" which he was holding on to for most of the day and even expanded on once. Rewriting history?
NNR: No, just stop answering inside quote blocks because it's just a pain to read and I guarantee most people will just skim them. And stop being sassy. Attitude is only bearable when it comes from tsunderes. :V
So cool, you dislike PX and rawr and Dormio. So distinguish between them beyond "man all these players suck."
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Points against rawr made yesterday still stand. A review of PX shows that he never says rawr is town, only that he wants him alive, which could be possible under a variety of circumstances. rawr's posting is still scummy.
Dormio's posting at the end of D1 degraded into a park on PX with minor pokes at NNR and Zakeri around wagon consolidation time. I want to see more from him because he's pretty much coasting atm by focusing on a few targets. Leaning scum.
PX can answer my question to him whenever he wants to stop trolling.
I'm reading Darkoda as confused. You gotta post, mate, otherwise your slot is unreadable. So follow what I said earlier and just freely share your thoughts about the players. Don't worry about past games and all that nonsense. All you have to worry about is this game.
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I prefer text inside a single quote block to a huge string of quote blocks with a response after each of them though. I hate scrolling through the latter.
PX is the worst because he acts like he doesn't read all the content of my posts. His comments on me have been lazy at best, calling me scum for having no vote down while I waited for BT's response, and calling my sheep vote based on someone else's ideas using my own baseless suspicion.
While it's a somewhat valid reason for a vote, it quickly got old after I actually DID back it up with reasons (At PX's request even!!!!), even with me responding to another post of Zakeri's with more criticizm of my own. PX failed to comment on said reasons, instead prod-dodging and telling people not to lynch Rawr, until way later in the day when he finally DOES make another contributory post.
...which basically ignores all my content and labels me as "using AtE".
When he finally comes back around yet again, he quickly retracts his vote, and comments that Zak's new claim might be fake (in a game where it's been pointed out multiple times that scum have safeclaims). After a pointless debate on the value of his lie, he votes Zak over me for no clear reason (possibly implying he doesn't care, as long as there's a flip). Also he throws in a comment which he later confirms meant "either it's a double scum or double town wagon", very contradictory to his current stance on these events.
Also his current line of voting is for the reason that I'm asspained over Zak's lie, which doesn't actually explain why I'm scum.
I'll do an essay on Rawr and Dormio shortly, although not as much to say about them.
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tldr PX voteparks all day erry day only switches to ensure a lynch happens on Zak.
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Note I am probably butchering rawr's gender since it slipped my mind and it's kind of ambiguous
Rawr starts off the game slightly better, actually contributing some reads before jumping on the NNR boat for the tried and true reason of "sheeping". He did voice suspicion on Zakeri, although I don't think he ever followed up when it became a wagon.
He actually also has some back and forth with Serela on her sheeping issue. Nothing came out of it though.
Later he brings up the odd comment "still not completely convinced by serelas nnr vote.", which considering his lacking stance on me, is rather hypocritical.
Rawr shares a conversation on whether avoiding or grabbing for attention is scummy, and the WIFOM behind it (although it doesn't say anything about him as a read).
He is then questioned to clarify why he is still voting me (despite never mentioning my posts), which he responds to, and I quote, "are you fucking kidding me?"
He never answers this query, referring to his own self-meta of being a shitposter.
He then proceeds to do nothing for the rest of the day (with a notable buddying up with PX at deadline)
Pretty bad, and it's hard to decide between him and PX for my vote actually. I'll definitely switch if he becomes more viable then a PX lynch. How the fuck does Serela see PX!Town and not Rawr!Town?
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Dan was town. Huzzah.
My eyes hurt just from trying to read that quote insert thing, and the amount of mad there amuses me to no end. Alas.
NNR: There's a lot of anal anguish here. Lots. And it's showing, so much that I'm tempted to vote him just to get some peace and quiet. Until he stops whining and being calmer, I really can't make a read either way. It wouldn't be fair to him to let his bitching color what could otherwise be some intelligent reads, so I'll wait. He's sure as hell not making any friends with all the insults. Being an annoying asshole isn't nor will it ever be the pettiest reason for someone getting lynched. Your aggression towards PX is downright silly in scope, even if PX looks scum.
PX: Your continued defense of Rawr confuses me and is breeding suspicion of all the bad sorts, but you're making NNR rage like a teenager which is amusing. I mean, I'd really like to know why exactly you want Rawr alive, since I could interpret your protection in a lot of ways.
the issue right now is that I can't really say anything without it being rehash, but hey let's just train of thought.. Dormio hasn't really done anything useful. Darkoda is having it worse than I am. NNR is extremely butthurt sounding. I'd like someone to explain why Zakeri isn't dead. I'm not quite sure why last minute switching to ensure a lynch goes on is so taboo. Rawr has also not really done anything useful, but knowing Rawr it could just be apathy. PX pissing NNR is hilarious and has novel value for a new player like me. Conq points out the amount of empty words in Dorian's post. I don't understand the inherent wrongness of sheeping, especially when your suspicions are shared. I'm not quite sure why a townie has to be useful and scumhunt on d1, especially if they want to just see what's going on first. But apparently that's not PX's playstyle?
I think it's fairly obvious Rawr just wants you out of the game because you're annoying NNR. It's entirely in character and wouldn't surprise me at all.
And could someone please explain the mind boggling concept of safeclaims to me? I'm not sure what it is, but as far as I can tell it's stopping us from lynching an extremely suspicious person.
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##Vote PX
the almighty Dormio why
Watakushi-sama is still wondering naze PX is being read as town.
I what anyone
To be honest, watashi has pretty much been ignoring NNR. Nani is kimi-tachi going to do about it?
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And could someone please explain the mind boggling concept of safeclaims to me? I'm not sure what it is, but as far as I can tell it's stopping us from lynching an extremely suspicious person.
amazing scary
A safeclaim is a fake role that the sugoi moderators give to the kowaii scum that they know is safe to claim.
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After I ask nicely, Dormio finally decides to post in a manner that's not totally indecipherable to our community, most of which cannot actually read and write Japanese or Latin variations of it.
Honestly it's still hard to read Dormio Teaches Romaji and he battles people's complaints on it but doesn't let up, which is slightly irritating. He also contributes stuff and actually scumhunts.
Halfway through the day Dormio switches off Dan to PX for... pretty good reasons actually. Then he votes Zakeri, also a good choice.
Why do I dislike Dormio again? He seemed to be bent out of shape on the"BT/Dan Masons Theory" which I never brought up again but that's not really a big deal to me since "NNR Dormio rivalry" isn't a new concept anyway.
I think the main problem is that (like everyone else) his posts are hard to read. But other then that Dormio isn't actually all that scummy, really.
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I honestly want to keep PX alive just to see him make NNR angrier. Consequences and actual allegiances be damned, even if PX is scum.
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NNR: There's a lot of anal anguish here. Lots. And it's showing, so much that I'm tempted to vote him just to get some peace and quiet. Until he stops whining and being calmer, I really can't make a read either way. It wouldn't be fair to him to let his bitching color what could otherwise be some intelligent reads, so I'll wait. He's sure as hell not making any friends with all the insults. Being an annoying asshole isn't nor will it ever be the pettiest reason for someone getting lynched. Your aggression towards PX is downright silly in scope, even if PX looks scum.
The Raging Fires Of Ten Thousand Burning Suns are quenched for nobody, and I shall see to it that no scum escapes it's fiery wrath.
Also that comment is rather rude. I may be an arrogant asshole in Mafia (I have an admittedly huge ego after all), but I don't think I'm offending anyone over a few passionate posts in petty social game. Lighten up.
I am not actually angry at anyone here as members of the community, the anger is directed towards players in a semi-cooperative game. I enjoy the company of everyone here and am confident the same is mutual towards me.
(but if anyone is actually offended by me feel free to speak up)
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Glad to have some clarification, and apologies, but I was just dumbfounded at how mad you sounded. Mafia continues to surprise me.
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First off NNR, mafia games don't get special treatment anymore. So don't go insulting people like a 10y old on newgrounds.
Would like PX to explain this though, given how he opened D2.
Looking at the stance that it's a 50/50 of which one flips scum, at that point I would have rather have NNR live to D2 than Zak because HE ACTUALLY POSTS. Of course, seeing how NNR posted at the end made me want him dead more, but at that point I figured it was too late to change votes because there wasn't enough people to lynch NNR.
Now, NNR. So yeah. First this.
Serela can't sheep harder. That might be hypocritical since my first vote was a sheep, but at least I came up for non-roleclaim-related reasons later on. Serela just sheepvoted on me the whole time.
Also because the person I sheeped actually flipped town.
So yeah, let's see NNR's last mention of Serela before this.
Serela is fine today, like her BT vote
What happened in the middle? Serela voted NNR after multiple pokes showing suspicion. Look at Serela's posts D1, there's constant mention of NNR. And sheepvoted? Really? It's like you didn't even look at Serela's post, considering he was VOTING RAWR. I also love this quote by NNR.
Why is sheeping automatically bad? I can't gut someone and then follow it up with a vote later? I even said "I may vote him later if I have nobody else" and I even have good reasons to vote him (alebit it's reasons Dan made, but still)
Yeah. Except you didn't have a vote down. You waited until someone else posted reasons to vote the same person you had gut on, then vote saying that his reasons are good enough. After bitching about people voting him about it, he finally provides reasons here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942361.html#msg942361), after multiple people ask for reasons, which simply looks like an attempt to get people off his back.
As for his posts at the end of D1, they simply read as if he's trying to play the victim and garner sympathy. This I do not like. At all. And D2, he basically goes full blown "My wagon is scum. Everybody else is town." Look at his reasons on his first post of D2. It just looks like "They're picking on me, I'm right they're wrong."
As for his D2 vote, out of all 4 people he put up as scumspects, who does he vote? The most vocal of them all. This, I can see from a scum point a view as simply getting rid of the loudest one will get rid of the entire wagon. Oh, and as for your "content posts." What's in there? "I had gut on Zak! Dan's reasons are my reasons too! Look, Zak's not posting! Look at X, s/he's not posting! Stop picking on me!"
All right, this post is already a mess SLEEP
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i went to write a reply and then a book ate my brain and it was gone
Conq: I'm well aware what you said. I'm questioning the level of ignorance it would take you to want to push the vig that you seemed to believe in over someone, anyone else. On my word? You've never been afraid to call me an idiot before. Even if I were convincing wouldn't it have been worth it to let him try? Also I can't believe you used 'gosh'. Are you practicing your British Governor Scum?
I'm honestly not sure if NNR is playing it up or not. I half-suspect that he is just because this line of thought he's pushing is so unreal. I'm also not reading that green text thing at 5am.
PX is for once not being useless and he's always townie to me as scum I refuse to let people lynch him for being scummy when the random person that died thought he was obvtown. Also Dan wasn't a PR so PX can't be scum.
Serela. You are being a terrible scumbuddy. Can you give a short, brief list of your reads please because your posts are huge and I'm not quite getting them from reading you anywhere.
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Oh right, one thing I forgot to add the to "content posts" list. "BT looks scum. Look, he looks like scum Serela. Oh wait, nvm he's not scum anymore. Back to Zak."
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Conq: I'm well aware what you said. I'm questioning the level of ignorance it would take you to want to push the vig that you seemed to believe in over someone, anyone else. On my word? You've never been afraid to call me an idiot before. Even if I were convincing wouldn't it have been worth it to let him try? Also I can't believe you used 'gosh'. Are you practicing your British Governor Scum?
ebwop: i guess im up for lynching zak if he continues his trend of posting by afking for the rest of the day
the reason why the vig claim gives me pause is that i can see why rolling a vig would make you play really lazily, confirmable role that can kill scum at night and all that
cough PoR cough
biggest issue with Zak is the lack of any scumreads at all and the handwaving of everyone as town. i kinda doubt he reads all the wagons as town b/c then he'd probably put more effort into derailing them a.la serela defense, but im not sure whether his behavior is stemming from apathy (ala f11) or being scum
he's being pretty brazen with his :care: attitude; im not sure if zak!scum is that bold
Are you referring to this? If I had believed in the vig I wouldn't have switched back to voting for him, that's what I've been saying this entire time. I only switched away from the first place to vote for rawr because I thought rawr was worse. >:< The "vig claim" wasn't even a proper claim so he didn't even lock himself into anything.
Also iirc the only times I've called you an idiot were when I was scum, so no idea what you're talking about. Gosh.
I'm honestly not sure if NNR is playing it up or not. I half-suspect that he is just because this line of thought he's pushing is so unreal. I'm also not reading that green text thing at 5am.
Which line of thought are you talking about?
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PX is for once not being useless and he's always townie to me as scum I refuse to let people lynch him for being scummy when the random person that died thought he was obvtown. Also Dan wasn't a PR so PX can't be scum.
Also, there are reasons for PX town but this is pretty bad, seriously. PX being not!useless is more a isPXplayingtell than anything given his perfectly competent scumplay in PoB.
Suggesting that Dan got killed because he thought PX was town is just terrible logic on so many levels. C'mon Shadoweh.
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Hey Shadoweh, hey Shadoweh. What do you think of Dorian?
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I what anyone
To be honest, watashi has pretty much been ignoring NNR. Nani is kimi-tachi going to do about it?
You weren't ignoring him yesterday. What do you think about him?
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Serela. You are being a terrible scumbuddy. Can you give a short, brief list of your reads please because your posts are huge and I'm not quite getting them from reading you anywhere.
also serela's posts are actually pretty clear this time i dont know what you're talking about. seriously he even had a lynching list at the end and he actually labeled people clearly as town or scum.
jeez shadoweh >:<
read the game shadoweh >:<
gosh shadoweh >:<
(sorry, im having too much fun)
(but for real, i don't know what you're talking about shadoweh)
(hopefully ill be able to get another back and forth with you before i have to replace)
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First off NNR, mafia games don't get special treatment anymore. So don't go insulting people like a 10y old on newgrounds.
I am not insulting anyone. If anything I'm taking a brutal dose of personality summation here from people calling me an huge jerk (which you may notice I am not actually giving a damn about)
What happened in the middle? Serela voted NNR after multiple pokes showing suspicion. Look at Serela's posts D1, there's constant mention of NNR.
Serela was getting bothered over my weird theory that BT and Dan were masons. That's not a reason to find me scummy. Serela never comes up with an original reason why I am actually a scummy player after that. When he votes me the only legitimate reason he has to actually accuse me of being scum is YOUR reason, PX. Yes, he does switch votes midway through...And sheepvoted? Really? It's like you didn't even look at Serela's post, considering he was VOTING RAWR
but when he returned his vote back to me he never actually came up with another valid reason to vote me, simply priortizing the (FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) claim Zakeri made.
I also love this quote by NNR. Yeah. Except you didn't have a vote down. You waited until someone else posted reasons to vote the same person you had gut on, then vote saying that his reasons are good enough.
I didn't have a vote down because I wanted BT to put down his reason first. I even said I wanted to vote him if it hadn't been for his mysterious vote and the mason thing (which I dropped later)
After bitching about people voting him about it, he finally provides reasons here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942361.html#msg942361), after multiple people ask for reasons, which simply looks like an attempt to get people off his back.
What would you do in that situation? Let the vote sit there gathering dust with no reason to keep it there?
....Oh wait, you DID do that.
As for his posts at the end of D1, they simply read as if he's trying to play the victim and garner sympathy. This I do not like. At all. And D2, he basically goes full blown "My wagon is scum. Everybody else is town." Look at his reasons on his first post of D2. It just looks like "They're picking on me, I'm right they're wrong."
I'm just going to call bullshit on you for oversimplifying all my posts and simply using tone as a reason to vote me.
As for his D2 vote, out of all 4 people he put up as scumspects, who does he vote? The most vocal of them all. This, I can see from a scum point a view as simply getting rid of the loudest one will get rid of the entire wagon. Oh, and as for your "content posts." What's in there? "I had gut on Zak! Dan's reasons are my reasons too! Look, Zak's not posting! Look at X, s/he's not posting! Stop picking on me!"
Oh? Ohhhh.... I'll play your little game.
NekoRex discusses PX's posting from D2 so far:
"As for his D2 vote, out of all 1 people he put up as scumspects, who does he vote? The most vocal of them all. This, I can see from a scum point a view as simply getting rid of the loudest one will get rid of the entire wagon. Oh, and as for your "content posts." What's in there? "But NekoRex Sheeped! My summary is NekoRex AtEs too! Look, NekoRex keeps whining! Don't lynch rawr, s/he's posting! Stop raging on me!"
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Oh right, one thing I forgot to add the to "content posts" list. "BT looks scum. Look, he looks like scum Serela. Oh wait, nvm he's not scum anymore. Back to Zak."
Oh shit was this the Mafia forum where I spammed "DIDN'T READ THREAD!" in all caps?
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I am also pretty sure BT is the loudest one on my wagon and he's pretty low in my voting priority right now so I think you're just talking out of your ass there PX.
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your favorite Dormio yesterday I
In regards to PX, on top of what watakushi-sama said kinou, basically watashi read his end of day comments as something akin to:
I I tomorrow
"Atai is going to support the Zakeri lynch so atai can keep tunnelling on NNR ashita".
you(PX) anyway
Which kimi is kind of doing today. Tonikaku.
You weren't ignoring him yesterday. What do you think about him?
your holiness that person that person probably
Basically, watakushi-sama thinks ano hito is bad but formed the opinion that ano hito was tabun town somewhere along the way.
I that person
Therefore watashi is just ignoring ano hito.
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Geez, it's day two and I'm already late again, IHNNs deadlines are nothing less than sabotage.
However, I don't see NNR as my main concern right now. I actually see his point about his exchange with BT, cause I know from my own recent experience how distracting and wearing such steady pressure can be. There is also no risk for town by ?giving that guy a break?, if he's scum with token scum hunting as approach then it will get quite evident over the course of day anyway.
Now to what I see as my main concern, ##Vote: PX
PX end of day behavior is clearly scummy, he said ?At this point, it's a coinflip. I think NNR is still scummier than Zak, but at this point I'd rather lynch Zak because I can get a better read on NNR D2 based on D1.? I mean, even if it was a close call, why would anyone who thinks one is more likely to flip scum vote the other? He want even one step further and defended Zakeris fake (soft)claim here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942904.html#msg942904) and here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942909.html#msg942909) . I have to say that it's hardly a accurate comparison because Zakeris line was certainly mean to give a claim impression.
Cut, oh dear, you guys love to make my posts outdated before I even finished it, don't you
Anyway, I having trouble believing that. ?Looking at the stance that it's a 50/50 of which one flips scum, at that point I would have rather have NNR live to D2 than Zak because HE ACTUALLY POSTS. Of course, seeing how NNR posted at the end made me want him dead more, but at that point I figured it was too late to change votes because there wasn't enough people to lynch NNR.? Mostly because the first point that you give about Zakeri was ?As for claims, Zak's more likely to be a fakeclaim. ? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942896.html#msg942896) ? but later you said about your decision ?This does not take roles into account, because fuckall. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942914.html#msg942914)? and I really have to wonder what you actually took into account that put the guy you never mentioned before on the same level as your first scum pick.
@Conq: I address your points in my next post, I just need to get this out before the coating of dust gets even bigger.
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Cleyran Votecount
Affinity: (0)
BT: (0)
Conqueror: Shadoweh (1)
Darkoda: (0)
Dorian: Conqueror (1)
Dormio: (0)
NekoNekoRex: PX, Serela, BT (3)
PX: NekoNekoRex, Affinity, Dorian (3)
rawr: (0)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: (0)
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
You have 59 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130203T18&p0=911&msg=End+of+D2) hours remaining.
I was GOING to post this straight away but a certain mod decided to move deadine by 2 hours, causing me to snooze in anticipation. At least it won't be a ghost town this time. <_<
Hey I had class from 3-5 and then didn't get back until 6ish, it's not like I wanted to have a 26 hour night. >_>
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Dormio, why are you so insistent that PX is scum? I don't really understand your reasoning on him.
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Dormio, why are you so insistent that PX is scum? I don't really understand your reasoning on him.
Odd sole thing to post for your first post of the phase. What are your opinions on the PX case? Why ask just Dormio? Did you not understand his last post (which had reasoning) or are you looking for more from Dormio? Who are your scumreads? Where's your vote?
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@Conq: Good I really missed half of your question there but I still have to wonder come to such a (mis)interpretation of my case. Maybe I wasn't clear, the point of my case was that he put more time and effort in answering questions and his back-and-forth with BT than he used to find alternative scum picks, needless to say that this would fit better into a ?try to look town? scum agenda than into a ?try to find scum? town agenda, don't you think so? And yes, I jumped on his wagon but that was having the consolidation already in the back of my mind.
Also, I have to admit that ?ED1 case? wasn't the right word but do you seriously expect me to be still super confide in my already half deflated case?
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Odd sole thing to post for your first post of the phase. What are your opinions on the PX case? Why ask just Dormio? Did you not understand his last post (which had reasoning) or are you looking for more from Dormio? Who are your scumreads? Where's your vote?
I find PX suspicious in relation to rawr really. Throughout day 1 he's really just been going with the flow, effectively sheeping and doing his very best to post absolutely nothing and give not much of an answer.
That by itself isn't all that much but there is his interactions with px. Whenever he's considered for a vote PX pops in saying no but gives no reasons at all and ignores others asking for said reasons; it seems like an attempt to try to protect him with no basis. Rawr did the same, pretty much going with something because PX said it and not giving any real reasons. To me both of them seem very suspicious right now and I'm reading it as an attempt to keep antagonizing NNR to deflect attention from the both of them.
##Vote rawr.
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And on Dormio I mean that I don't understand his reasoning is all. I do still believe that PX is scum regardless.
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Why do I dislike Dormio again? He seemed to be bent out of shape on the"BT/Dan Masons Theory" which I never brought up again but that's not really a big deal to me since "NNR Dormio rivalry" isn't a new concept anyway.
I think the main problem is that (like everyone else) his posts are hard to read. But other then that Dormio isn't actually all that scummy, really.
When have you stopped reading the thread altogether? You replied to my post so you've practically got to be making this up.
I what anyone
To be honest, watashi has pretty much been ignoring NNR. Nani is kimi-tachi going to do about it?
ihavenowords
You've ignored a wagon on a guy you said you disliked? To jump on the other wagon which you hadn't addressed until that point?
Why do I not have two votes to lynch you jokers together.
DORIAN: Your whole point about PX choosing to lynch Zak before NNR becomes moot when you realize, if we assume PX/NNR aren't scumbuddies (which hoo boy they aren't), that Scum PX wouldn't have a reason to make a fuss over jumping from one town wagon to another.
I'm making another post about PX/NNR.
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By the way NNR in your claim you said "for a turn" so one-shot was kind of the assumption there.
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You've ignored a wagon on a guy you said you disliked? To jump on the other wagon which you hadn't addressed until that point?
You may notice he changed his read on me though, BT.
By the way NNR in your claim you said "for a turn" so one-shot was kind of the assumption there.
Well the Dragoon has to land at some point, yeah?
But no, I can jump more then once.
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You may notice he changed his read on me though, BT.
You may notice he neglected to ever explain his reasons for disliking you, then the reasons that made him change his mind and now he's ignoring you when you're a very likely wagon.
Dormio you may as well answer this. Along with the other gazillion things you've left unanswered.
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Dammit Shadoweh. Whatever.
@mod: Replace me please
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Conq can you at least post what you think about the incoming post, thanks
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Since it's somehow necessary: PX/NNR Edition I
PX is town because: Well first there's the initial NNR vote (link) (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg941905.html#msg941905) which is a strong direct post. He doesn't seem afraid or hasty to push whatever. He made it clear he didn't want rawr lynched pretty much when it was first relevant so that strengthens the likelihood that, yes, he does have something on rawr, and if you'd notice he doesn't want him lynched because keeping him alive is beneficial to the town, which seems like a town reason. I don't see how this can be scum because 1) first off it's really dumb because you're assuming either two scum pre-flipped or one scum citing role knowledge on town for questionable reasons and 2) it's a really unnecessary early link to make; Dan and possibly others were reading him town but others were sure to call him out for it (a thing which is happening now) and if the scumteam's plan was to off Dan, the guy that insta-read PX as town, then this is extremely super dumb. It's not like PX made an effort to get a scope of reads to make himself less lynchable. Competent Scum PX wouldn't have pulled such useless shit when the rest of his content was visually lacking and open for all out assault. It just makes no sense.
I would really like it if people claiming this is from scum could explain WHAT besides THE ACTION ITSELF makes them think it scum because holy shit. Nothing is scummy about the execution, at all. Considering the ample reason to distrust PX scum BASED on these actions, you'd have to be getting an extremely confident scumread on him elsewhere and that elsewhere doesn't exist. The whole Zak/NNR end-of-day thing he pulled didn't read scum at all because his reasons were a-ok. He, JUST LIKE ME, realized that the Zak lynch was a crapshoot and Amra/Darkoda unvoted NNR so we WERE lacking NNR votes. Zak had a fucking terrible and lurker D1 and he would have continued the trend on D2, UNLIKE NNR, who was at the very least posting and had THINGS TO REREAD during his D1. Which is why PX said he'd rather leave NNR alive and that's exactly what he's saying now.
If this part of the post is unreadable / hard to understand let me know because I'm mostly speedtyping this and still kind of in shock at PX being an actual wagon.
NNR is scum because: He had a mediocre entrance that seemed hesitant and didn't provide *any* solid reads (pretty much the polar opposite of PX), later posts a bunch of random inaccurate reasons for suspecting me but doesn't vote me because UHH MASONS, which again reads hesitant more than anything else (hesitant to place a vote on me, that is), and I'd give scum the luxury of being more likely to give weight to such a crap theory. I think I finally figured out what I didn't like about his me-read -- ever since the masons thing, later replaced with "his suspicions don't look like last game's bullshit", he always had a reason to NOT think me scum yet he constantly voiced perfectly logical concerns. Later he says I'm misguided town but this isn't how I'd expect someone to treat misguided town - his concerns before that seemed more like suspicions than pointers / queries. Like, he literally says "BT's posts sound on the fence about me, having no clear scumread, which I don't like, yet his vote persists" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942027.html#msg942027) at one point -- he sounds like he's trying to keep his options open while not voting me because he's scared. For this reason, this isn't town waffling about his BT read at all -- it's scum, mentlegen.
Anyway at that point he jumped on Zakeri because Zakeri and it didn't look like he tried scumhunting from any other direction. Cool, Zak doesn't have enough content posts for you to rightfully rip apart. That doesn't excuse you from scumhunting. You used WAAH WAAH ZAK ISN'T POSTING as an excuse.
A nice little tidbid: he mentions that Shadoweh might be a scumread (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942067.html#msg942067) but the next time he mentions her is today, when I ask him about clearing everyone else and he goes "actually take Shadoweh off that list". (it's in the green font reply post so fuck you too) If he thought she might be scum for reading him scum early, and if he didn't have anything to analyze because Zak wasn't posting, WHY did he not analyze ANY of Shadoweh's posts after that? Because he wasn't hunting for scum, that's why.
Notice how all of his "my reads" posts don't actually analyze any of the posters, at all. (link) (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942574.html#msg942574) (link) (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943406.html#msg943406)
I absolutely hate that his PX vote today is AGAIN based off of "he is doing a bunch of very bad shit". Why is his very bad shit very scummy shit? There's nothing differentiating his reads despite claiming a certain order to them because all he did was list actions that are just "bad" but tell you shit all about alignment.
Alternatively, (link) (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943576.html#msg943576) (link) (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943583.html#msg943583). This is NARRATIVE, he doesn't actually explain why these things are coming from scum. Because he isn't scumhunting, just pointing out shaky play (I can't even bring myself to call this bad play because it's only visually bad but whatever the fuck).
!!! You may all sheep to me now. And if NNR replies to this with green font I will break is neck as well as the internet will allow me to.
I want an answer from every person voting PX for why they aren't voting Dormio on the This Person is Bad in General front. (because that's what people seem to be voting PX for?? it's really dumb either way and the way Dormio treated the wagons is leagues worse)
and
I want an answer from every person citing "NNR's BT read shuffle was town" for how exactly does that read town. Refer to what I pointed out here. (people saying his behavior is town are worse and deserve to be spanked)
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Could only skim but:
I agree PX is town. I think the way he chose to draw unnecessary attention to himself with his play starting today is more likely to come from asshole town than asshole scum.
PX and rawr are p much not scum together from how rawr and PX play scum and I think rawr is scummier by far. Also a lot of the people I think are scum are voting PX.
Mixed feelings on NNR. I still think he's getting more flak from his attitude than anything, but I'll agree I don't like the way he's approaching the game. He should be forced to not use his commuter power because he's not getting NK'd anytime soon, and if he is then great. I'll let my replacement deal.
Shadoweh is leaning town but my replacement needs to make sure she stays accountable.
Gotta scram now,
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ebwop: px needs to talk about not~nnr though; feeels like he's tunneing for the sake of tunnling.
k bye yuno's calling me
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zzzzzzz posting
@Affinity
Tell me why you are voting nnr again?
I was voting NNR at the time because sheeping while providing no reason to be voting people or having no actual reads on anyone is scummy. also for nnr to be sheeping actiondan who was a really strong town read for most people makes it seem incredibly scummy to me
@rawr: how insolent. And also three people had voted Dormio at some point in time today.
people had voted him because nobody understood him. not because they thought he was scum.
Why are you voting NNR for sheeping Dan when you are sheeping everyone voting NNR yourself? Gosh.
i dont understand i never replied to the earlier one so you only assumed this?
There's a lot of anal
stoppped reading here
Rawr starts off the game slightly better
wut, if i combined the 3 consecutive posts i made where i voted you, there wasnt much else before that. in fact there wasnt anything
currently i would have to vote dormio nnr dorian and affinity for voting px
Whenever he's considered for a vote PX pops in saying no but gives no reasons at all and ignores others asking for said reasons;
because he doesnt need to give a reason if he doesnt want too and you shouldnt be trying to force a reason out of him.
currently
town - px bt shadoweh conq
scum - people voting px
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That by itself isn't all that much but there is his interactions with px. Whenever he's considered for a vote PX pops in saying no but gives no reasons at all and ignores others asking for said reasons; it seems like an attempt to try to protect him with no basis. Rawr did the same, pretty much going with something because PX said it and not giving any real reasons. To me both of them seem very suspicious right now and I'm reading it as an attempt to keep antagonizing NNR to deflect attention from the both of them.
##Vote rawr.
also why me over px?
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You have a vote rawr, might as well use it
Votecount omits Dormio's PX vote btw
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By the way Darkoda yeah I don't think rawr's getting lynched today and if he's ever getting lynched it's after PX flips / after PX reveals his reasoning
And PX won't be getting lynched >.<
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wow i forgot to vote this happens way to much
currently
town - px bt shadoweh conq
scum - people voting px
to be more clear i think scum would be pretty obvious to try and fish for a reason out of px
##Vote: NNR
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I wouldn't hurry to bench Conq as town, like, at all
He's probably on my list after Dormio (and Dorian if NNR is somehow town)
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replacing out is totally a town tell
i also had to go pretty far back to see dormios mentioned reasons for voting PX. would like to know if dormio still feels the same as he did since then
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Sounds like he had to go somewhere, he didn't replace out because of :game:
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i also had to go pretty far back to see dormios mentioned reasons for voting PX. would like to know if dormio still feels the same as he did since then
and would actually like you to clarify what parts of his posts were trouble?
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Sounds like he had to go somewhere, he didn't replace out because of :game:
im not his mom idk :derp:
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BT: Quick question, if scum is scared of voting you, then why would they include an opinion on you they can't back up in the first place? Why voice 'logical concerns' one can't follow through when it grabs attention nonetheless? This is why I don't agree with your NNR case; his read on you is unnecessarily multi-faceted when he could simply brushed you off and went for easier things, or just all out voted you.
It simply does not make sense from a scum perspective, while town could be seen more likely as being honest about their reads. It is not keeping your options open when no one is feasibly voting for your option that day.
As for the strength of his reads, they seem consistent and concise enough to me. PX shifting from 'you are sheeping' to 'whatever, now you are AtEing' is surely something to point out. Far better than Dormio and the like; I at least know what he's thinking about players and he has the reasons to back them up, though I may not necessarily agree with them.
Competent Scum PX wouldn't have pulled such useless shit when the rest of his content was visually lacking and open for all out assault. It just makes no sense.
This is rather subjective WIFOM given that everyone thought well of PX's starting post into the middle of the day, and there was not much flak on him towards the end. I could argue that scum!PX thought that his start of the day was strong enough for him to maintain his conduct. I've given reasons why I disliked him here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943416.html#msg943416).
Also, scum can clear anyone they want for whatever reason they want, whether they be town or not. I wouldn't town-clear anyone just for such a link alone.
I'll read PX's latest post later however.
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BT:I love you. Thank you for explaining PX is town in a way that is more likely to convince people then my explanation that basically is only good enough to justify why I have the opinion myself.
NNR's essay on Rawr is kind of funny because Rawr is the one person that pretty much everyone can agree is terrible, it doesn't need any touch-up because he hadn't posted since mid-d1 with questionable content, and the main reason he isn't a wagon is due to PX having assumably role-related reasons he isn't. (That's supposed to be relevant by implying we'd be lynching rawr otherwise) It's like, the easiest scumread content you can make while simultaneously also being useless because everyone knows already.
Sas-amra's post is coolbeans.
Conq's question:Given that he's gone I'm not sure there's as much merit in answering it, especially now that I'm about to say... does my d2 start post cover answering this? >_> <_<
Seeing rawr existing is cool but he hasn't done anything but make responses to things directly asked of him (None of which resulted in any actual notable content like scumhunting). Posting a list of his reads with no explanation is not helpful, especially when the scum list is "people voting PX". Still scummy as eff
Dormio is also still barely giving any reasoning for his votes. He uses vague terms like "doesn't contribute much" to easily throw his vote around without actually having to lay down anything for people to scrutinize. Unlike Rawr he doesn't have a reason that people are wary of lynching him, either, so if a wagon sprouted up on him I'd be happy to end the day with Dormio-lynchings.
Well, no, NNR is better for the lynch just because he's going to be a huuge distraction to everyone at this point until he's lynched (And also that he's scummy, of course, but)
PX end of day behavior is clearly scummy, he said ?At this point, it's a coinflip. I think NNR is still scummier than Zak, but at this point I'd rather lynch Zak because I can get a better read on NNR D2 based on D1.? I mean, even if it was a close call, why would anyone who thinks one is more likely to flip scum vote the other? He want even one step further and defended Zakeris fake (soft)claim here and here . I have to say that it's hardly a accurate comparison because Zakeris line was certainly mean to give a claim impression.
This paragraph oh god why. I mean, I can see why it's kind of off, but I don't really agree that it's scummy weird. Like, what's scummy about the claim-related shenanigans? It's weird, but, that's all. The reasoning on the actual vote part makes sense. Aaaand... what about the rest of PX's content? You've only mentioned his end-of-day stuff unless I missed something. Kind of weird considering you're voting him. I also still want to see what you think of the people in general so I can see what you think about the guys you aren't voting.
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@rawr:
too late
I was voting NNR at the time because sheeping while providing no reason to be voting people or having no actual reads on anyone is scummy. also for nnr to be sheeping actiondan who was a really strong town read for most people makes it seem incredibly scummy to me
do you realize that you are sheeping at least PX (exact same thing) without acknowledging it by giving this generic reason? actiondan part seems tacked on; as if there's this misconception that townie points can be diffused solely by the act of sheeping someone town.
people had voted him because nobody understood him. not because they thought he was scum
if im not wrong people made the link that those who can't be understood are scummy because they may be hiding behind their posting style.
i assume the worst if nothing is given to me.
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don't know lol
Wakaranai www.
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Watashi means, what is watashi what to do if nobody mitte things watashi's way?
therefore
Dakara whatever.
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I means, what is I to do if nobody look things I's way?
WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN.
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(http://i48.tinypic.com/vpkvue.jpg)
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WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN.
it you ability
Sore means that kimi lacks the nouryoku to apply reading comprehension.
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I don't think it's a matter of me being unable to comprehend your posts.
..err, except for this time.
It's more that you're saying very little, and it's rather vague throwaway one-liners.
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you I again
Does kimi want watashi to reiterate my thoughts on PX mata?
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Actually that sounds very good! :3
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BT: Quick question, if scum is scared of voting you, then why would they include an opinion on you they can't back up in the first place? Why voice 'logical concerns' one can't follow through when it grabs attention nonetheless? This is why I don't agree with your NNR case; his read on you is unnecessarily multi-faceted when he could simply brushed you off and went for easier things, or just all out voted you.
It simply does not make sense from a scum perspective, while town could be seen more likely as being honest about their reads. It is not keeping your options open when no one is feasibly voting for your option that day.
Hmm. It was wrong on my end to say that it was to keep his options open. However, consider scum's motivation for posting ~*~suspicions~*~. The problem here is that he chose to combine [reading me as town] and [churning out posts that read like :good scumhunting:]. Those posts didn't match the fact that he was, in fact, town-reading me.
This is rather subjective WIFOM given that everyone thought well of PX's starting post into the middle of the day, and there was not much flak on him towards the end. I could argue that scum!PX thought that his start of the day was strong enough for him to maintain his conduct. I've given reasons why I disliked him here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943416.html#msg943416).
Also, scum can clear anyone they want for whatever reason they want, whether they be town or not. I wouldn't town-clear anyone just for such a link alone.
Since Mafia is a game of likelihoods, all of this together is hard to deny.
Regardless, let's assume that PX believed that he wasn't in danger. Why link himself to rawr as early as he did?
Dormio feel free to answer my questions during this millennium
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Polaris replaces Conq as soon as I send him his PM
Don't mind me, just euphoric about getting the Ape Escape 1 100% WR.
Votecount incoming within the next 20 minutes
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Hi :V
For everyone's convenience I am using Conq's avatar to signify that I am taking his player slot!
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or maybe youre conq indisguise as polaris
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"I just got a world record" Votecount
Affinity: (0)
BT: (0)
Polaris: Shadoweh (1)
Darkoda: (0)
Dorian: Polaris (1)
Dormio: (0)
NekoNekoRex: PX, Serela, BT, rawr (4)
PX: NekoNekoRex, Affinity, Dormio, Dorian (4)
rawr: Darkoda (1)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: (0)
Not voting: SasAmra-san
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
You have 45 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130203T18&p0=911&msg=End+of+D2) hours remaining.
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or maybe youre conq indisguise as polaris
(http://s19.postimage.org/xt15w4dqn/char_maizono4.png) ...!
(http://s19.postimage.org/3n2rhc6tr/char_maizono5.png) Uh oh, it looks like I've been discovered. And I thought it would be the perfect disguise...
(http://s19.postimage.org/gv25aa4cv/char_maizono2.png) Well, now that you've figured out my secret, I just have to kill you, right?
(http://s19.postimage.org/6z12amykv/char_maizono1.png) Just kidding!
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:S Damn my case must be good. I was not expecting that to be the replacement when I saw Polly. Darkoda you are not putting your attention where I want it and it it irritating me, get in here or I will start to froth. (Also rereading)
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(http://s19.postimage.org/i7f8yfcen/char_maizono14.png) reading this game i feel very :| now and i kind of don't feel like putting in effort `_` so to show my lack of care i am going to not use capital letters! yay
(http://s19.postimage.org/8uj981y1b/char_maizono8.png) also maizono faces add spice so i think i'll keep doing it, tell me if it becomes an issue
(http://s19.postimage.org/3n2rhc6tr/char_maizono5.png) i don't like nnr because it doesn't seem like he's acting towards town's best interest, just working for his own best interest. like, it looks like he's pushing his suspects because he has strong angry feelings about them but not because they're scum `_` i don't like dorian because he's just been really lurky and going after easy targets i.e. reacting to actiondan with a vote and then sticking to it because he had nothing else, and then wagoning on px on d2. is dorian really trying to hunt scum? i guess i have to be considerate of his real life problems but /shrug
(http://s19.postimage.org/p87u4y3kf/char_maizono6.png) i don't like shadoweh because she claimed scum and you shouldn't do that if you're town `_` she's also been lurky and i don't really get why shadoweh voted past me. shadoweh who do you think is scum?
##Unvote ##Vote Shadoweh
(http://s19.postimage.org/xza9lgxhr/char_maizono9.png) shadoweh vote takes priority over others because my feelings for her are the strongest
(http://s19.postimage.org/gts7gv2j3/char_maizono3.png) nnr scum supports shadoweh scum and vice versa but i don't think dorian fits into the puzzle ?_? also grey areas are affinity, dr rawr, darkoda and i might look into them more
(http://s19.postimage.org/6z12amykv/char_maizono1.png) i don't care enough about anyone else enough to lynch them today
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(http://s19.postimage.org/xt15w4dqn/char_maizono4.png) oh wait px is also sort of a grey area, though i don't see what scummy thing he's done other than be generally a lamer, but being a lamer is relatable to being a scum so ?_?
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Woah watashi got distracted.
anyway everyone see he reason
Tonikaku. Firstly, minna-san can mitte PX's first post in which aitsu refuses to vote for Shadoweh for riyuu unexplained.
why
Asking naze yielded no results whatsoever.
he he the glorious Dormio I I time
Aitsu later changes aitsu's vote to watakushi-sama for no reason other than watashi's way of posting. Watashi also happened to be a leading wagon at this jikan.
he I I simple the masterful Dormio
Aitsu then completely ignores watashi, under the pretence that watashi is completely unreadable. Seems like an kantan way to avoid responsibility to watakushi-sama.
he that person
PX then states aitsu's absolute hatred for NNR, voting ano hito for most of the day.
however reason
Dakedo, when it comes down to it, PX votes for Zakeri's lynch while giving the riyuu that it was "Based solely on who I want alive more on D2."
meaning
PX clarifies this as imi that "I'd rather lynch Zak because I can get a better read on NNR D2 based on D1."
the wonderful Dormio
This reads strangely to watakushi-sama. Didn't PX already have a clear read on NNR D1?
I he he
What watashi thinks it boils down to was that PX was looking for an excuse to keep someone that aitsu could tunnel on alive so that aitsu can waste more time doing nothing.
the fabulous Dormio look the best Dormio
Watakushi-sama believes that the fact that PX refuses to mitte at anything other than NNR during D2 proves watakushi-sama's point.
now question
Ima, to answer BT's shitsumon whatever they were.
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Competent Scum PX wouldn't have pulled such useless shit when the rest of his content was visually lacking and open for all out assault. It just makes no sense.
just bad
Dake saying, too scummy to be scum is warui.
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I've certainly claimed something.
Worst Oh My God You Suck vote ever. How am I scummier then the people you actually cited reasons for? Your reasoning on me is based on 'claimed scum' instead of reading posts. Also I am quite clearly not scum with Dorian as I tried to lynch him yesterday. If you had actually read me when you voted you would know that instead of guessing. Is that the advice Conq left you in the scum QT?
People that haven't convinced me they're not scum? Conqlaris, Dorian
People that might be scum: NNR, Affinity? Anyone voting PX because stop it.
People that aren't scum: BT, PX, Dormio, Amra, Darkoda maybe
Exists: Rawr
Reading Serela for expert opinion because I do not believe in Conq. >8<
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Town to me: Serela, Shadoweh, BT
Affinity, no problem with
NNR: Scum
Dormio voting me for tunneling on NNR sounds cute, considering what he's been doing all of D2 as well. And what happened to NNR is basically scum to you (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942724.html#msg942724), except now you're ignoring him. Can we throw him under a 18 wheeler?
I liked Conq's posts, but Polaris' vote on Shadoweh gives me a ???
Dorian, need to read more in depth
Amra and Darkoda who?
Night
Oyasumi
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Apparently I am not being loud enough VOTE POLARIS AND STOP BOTHERING WITH THE LOUD AND THE PX.
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And what happened to NNR is basically scum to you (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942724.html#msg942724), except now you're ignoring him.
caring that person why future
Stopped omoiyari about ano hito. Was supposed to tell BT naze sometime in the near mirai maybe.
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Obviously I can't change up my game and be a little more cautious, especially when I start the game off without any good leads. Nope, Overly Agressive is the only way I can play NekoRex without getting lynched as town (even though I get wagoned on D1 and D2 in every game anyway)
BT, consider the following: I think you're town because you're actually scum hunting competently. Obviously you're wrong on your opinion of me being scum, but I cant have a perfect batting average either. Your last game's scumhunting was clearly fake and badly done, while this game your scumhunting looks more genuine and well thought out. That's why I'm not voting you and why I think you're town.
Your "PX is town" argument looks clearly awful, however. Here's why:
He doesn't seem afraid or hasty to push whatever.
How does this make him town?
He made it clear he didn't want rawr lynched pretty much when it was first relevant so that strengthens the likelihood that, yes, he does have something on rawr, and if you'd notice he doesn't want him lynched because keeping him alive is beneficial to the town, which seems like a town reason.
If it's so obvious, then why doesn't PX reveal exactly why rawr can't be lynched? Making that link only makes it obvious rawr would have some kind of power role, and only puts a big target on rawr's head.
Dan and possibly others were reading him town but others were sure to call him out for it (a thing which is happening now) and if the scumteam's plan was to off Dan, the guy that insta-read PX as town, then this is extremely super dumb.
Dan read me as town too, your argument is invalid.
It's not like PX made an effort to get a scope of reads to make himself less lynchable. Competent Scum PX wouldn't have pulled such useless shit when the rest of his content was visually lacking and open for all out assault. It just makes no sense.
metametametametametametametameta
anyways I'm just going to go poof because my internet is limited and I'm kind of sick of this game now anyway. Obviously the only winning move here is to tunnel on one person the whole game and never make any reads or comments about any other player bar some barebones "X is town" reads, because doing anything else otherwise will get your integrity questioned because some of your reads might be less complete, and you may have forgotten reads on certain players, because of course it's either "all or nothing" with Mafia amirite? Clearly PX is the best player here and everyone should unvote him right now and vote me.
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Also congrats IHNN, having a world record in something is pretty cool indeed.
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##Unvote ##Vote Shadoweh
(http://s19.postimage.org/xza9lgxhr/char_maizono9.png) shadoweh vote takes priority over others because my feelings for her are the strongest
(http://s19.postimage.org/gts7gv2j3/char_maizono3.png) nnr scum supports shadoweh scum and vice versa
1) Why are the feelings stronger
2) How does that support one another
BT, consider the following: I think you're town because you're actually scum hunting competently. Obviously you're wrong on your opinion of me being scum, but I cant have a perfect batting average either. Your last game's scumhunting was clearly fake and badly done, while this game your scumhunting looks more genuine and well thought out. That's why I'm not voting you and why I think you're town.
Duh, I know you read me as town and your reason for that is sound. At the same time though you've made that "like Scum-Serela" argument and the one line I quoted that are just out-of-place and disappear later on.
On PX: Same thing I told Affinity. His strong start raises the likelihood of him being town. The risky link to rawr early on raises the likelihood of him being town. Killing Dan despite PX's shaky play raises the likelihood of him being town. Yes, meta also raises the likelihood of him being town. None of this makes him town alone but all of them together make up a case, similar in nature to my current case on you which points to you!scum.
If you truly want PX to get lynched, show me why he's more likely to be scum in light of his actions and behavior overall. You're trying to deny specific points and that's a fruitless endeavor and is more like denial than anything else.
Also, regarding that point concerning rawr, PX made it clear that revealing the reason would not be good for the town. Sure, it makes rawr a potential target by leaving it as is it, but perhaps revealing the reason would make things even worse. Fact of the matter is that we don't know yet and we WILL know eventually because PX will either flip or claim before the game ends, and this shouldn't and can't be a point against him until that happens.
Congrats noname :toot:
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I want this matter to be settled BEFORE these 24 hours are over. Everyone should read my posts despite :words: and
sheep make their opinion clear.
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Wait hold on Shadoweh
Why don't you just vote NNR? And why is Dormio town?
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DORIAN: Your whole point about PX choosing to lynch Zak before NNR becomes moot when you realize, if we assume PX/NNR aren't scumbuddies (which hoo boy they aren't), that Scum PX wouldn't have a reason to make a fuss over jumping from one town wagon to another.
Is that so? Dormio already pointed out why he couldn't just go and clear NNR and I think ?getting rid of the Town Inventor? would be actually a good reason to prefer an Zakeri lynch. The point that he didn't took roles into account fits quite well into the picture, NNRs claim could be a safe claim and the role wouldn't be too much of a lose for town if he said the truth while Zakeris claim were provable and actually worthy to at last consider a try, cause that would point into the other direction. Sure he said that he thought it were a fake claim but seriously, ?softclaiming vig is just wishfulness? but ?claiming an exotic role like Inventor is a trick to get people off of him?? I don't think so.
Do you still think that my points are moot?
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Not entirely, but different question. Who are your townreads?
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Dormio, you exist. Same question: who are your townreads?
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Not entirely, but different question. Who are your townreads?
Quick answer, case I'm about to collapse.
My Town reads are:
Affinity, because I see no reason to think that he's scum.
You (BT), I doubt that you would take the leader role as scum.
Conq/Polaris, same as Affinity.
Dormio, great town minds think alike.
So if you excuse me now, I really need some sleep.
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Going "I see no reason to think that Affinity/Conq is scum" when you haven't addressed everyone (you haven't addressed Serela all game and you haven't laid down a read on Shadoweh at all, for example) is kind of what. Are they better than the rest? Because you haven't laid a reason for that.
I'd also like to know what your current stance on NNR is. How much from your D1 case have you retracted? Do you agree or disagree with my case?
(Answer whenever you're back?)
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@BT:
However, consider scum's motivation for posting ~*~suspicions~*~. The problem here is that he chose to combine [reading me as town] and [churning out posts that read like :good scumhunting:]. Those posts didn't match the fact that he was, in fact, town-reading me.
You're right that scum post suspicions to look as if they are doing something. But NNR is a special case because he was certainly not making any such pretences about his Zakeri vote, which counters your point about him trying to look as if he's really scumhunting, because that's a rather easily attackable thing. Again I have to say, this incongruence between his scumhunting and his vote was not at all needed and does not lead to the impression you suggest.
Same thing I told Affinity. His strong start raises the likelihood of him being town. The risky link to rawr early on raises the likelihood of him being town. Killing Dan despite PX's shaky play raises the likelihood of him being town.
I don't agree with any of these. How is the link to rawr 'risky'', when scum could link to town or scum with impunity? And how does the NK thing work if scum can kill anyone they want? Yes a strong start is good at all, but it petered out till today without redemption so how does it count?
In general, I find your ideas of what scum/town are likely to do and not questionable, You are asking far too much of people to explain a reasonable vote, expressing your view of what is by itself WIFOM without flipping it around. In fact I don't know why you are complaining about people not seeing the bigger picture regarding PX when PX himself is merely picking up random nitpicks in his crusade against NNR.
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PX latest post against NNR is not impressive, given that it is mostly a simplification. Him defined by only his drifting case on NNR, stretched far beyond feasibility over a period of two days through a variety of reasons, is reason enough to cement my vote on him. I would also like him to answer my question here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943416.html#msg943416), because he seems prone to these sorts of conclusion-jumping
Upon reading Dorian's posts and his switch to PX today I find his sudden waving off of NNR rather jarring and unbelievable. Compare this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942635.html#msg942635) and this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943643.html#msg943643), and there is a great lacuna as to where all his issues with NNR went. Especially when he says that he 'understood what he felt like to be under such pressure', but why didn't he come to this understanding in day one? Would like Dorian to explain. Granted I don't see scum really doing this unless NNR is scum as well (which I don't believe), but it does seem questionable.
Also Shadoweh had might as well be in an echo chamber with those reads. Whatever she's saying I can't see as having much impression on the movement of things here. Two exchanges with Conq on some extremely minor point regarding vig choices that don't really go anywhere, and then when Polaris replaces in, boom omgus lynch this guy plz. I'm like really whatever.
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Bandersnatch Infested Votecount
Affinity: (0)
BT: (0)
Polaris: Shadoweh (1)
Darkoda: (0)
Dorian: (0)
Dormio: (0)
NekoNekoRex: PX, Serela, BT, rawr (4)
PX: NekoNekoRex, Affinity, Dormio, Dorian (4)
rawr: Darkoda (1)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: Polaris (1)
Not voting: SasAmra-san
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
You have 32 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130203T18&p0=911&msg=End+of+D2) hours remaining.
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You're right that scum post suspicions to look as if they are doing something. But NNR is a special case because he was certainly not making any such pretences about his Zakeri vote, which counters your point about him trying to look as if he's really scumhunting, because that's a rather easily attackable thing. Again I have to say, this incongruence between his scumhunting and his vote was not at all needed and does not lead to the impression you suggest.
I... don't understand what you're trying to say here. Like he said himself countless times, it's easier to find things to talk about if the guy you're talking about is posting more. Focusing mostly on other things while his vote was standing there isn't necessarily something he chose to do.
My reason for discussing this point was that you say his read on me was natural and town-ish when in reality it... just... isn't, and at worst null. Why do you disbelieve that NNR is scum?
I don't agree with any of these. How is the link to rawr 'risky'', when scum could link to town or scum with impunity? And how does the NK thing work if scum can kill anyone they want? Yes a strong start is good at all, but it petered out till today without redemption so how does it count?
Let's look at it differently: PX told everyone not to lynch rawr without elaborating at first, which could very well have been him expressing a townread, but later he explained that it was role-related. Do you claim that it is fake? In that case, why would PX choose to fake it? Is it a scum-scum gambit? Unless it IS a scum-scum gambit it's unecessary and risky because... do I really need to explain the risks? It makes people eye him instead of rawr, it locks him into a claim (and unless he has info on rawr this is a shot in the dark during claimtime)... It realy does make no sense. The only acceptable option remaining in the case of scum-town is that PX decided to gambit early (because he told everyone not to lynch rawr early on), which doesn't fit the fact that he seemed :srsbsns: about this game.
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Shadoweh you tell me I'm being the worst scumbuddy but Affinity is pretty much hitting the nail on the head here. Nobody is going to listen to you on Polly because your insistence on voting him is starting to become kind of weird, and really it's just a weak case on an otherwise very townie person whose replacement actually has kind of a legit reason to vote you back due to the strange way you're acting.
Please join us in everything else that's going on! :C
Dorian I keep asking you stuff but you never respond to me! It doesn't help that some of the stuff I'm asking you is stuff you -should- be doing anyway, like providing general reads on the players as you haven't yet! Your answer to BT on why you're voting PX makes it look better, but there's a reason I've asked you multiple for more reads on people. Are you just skimming my posts because they're huge (either since you're scum or since you're town who thinks I'm town and therefore uninteresting, I can feel you there because I'm skimming most of bt's posts for the latter reason, he is super townie 5000), and missing them or something :c
Okay, actually, it turns out as a followup to BT's question he asked for your townreads so you DID actually go give those. But aksdfjafkljak
Re:Dormio
First half of your post (The part before PX votes NNR most of the day) happened during RVS. PX is even blatantly predispositioned to voting for whoever is a big wagon in RVS because it's part of his beliefs that it helps break the game out of that stage. While it's true that inbetween there and his NNR there should have been something since the game started going somewhere, him not being around isn't explicitly scummy (it wasn't -that- long) and I don't think there's significant dissonance between voting NNR and then lynching Zak instead since NNR actually posts and should be easier to read d2. Because, well, IT WAS D1. D1 doesn't tend to give particularly firm fabulous reads.
You've managed to explain your position enough that I don't think you need to ~*~die immediately~*~ but as seen here I think the former half of your response is pointless because rvs phase and the latter half is mostly based on stuff I think is pretty explainable from a townie point of view, so, well. Tunneling on PX today doesn't help, even going so far as to say "I don't care" about the person who's going to be competing with PX for being lynched.
People who aren't voting NNR/PX need to weigh in on which wagon they like more. Waiting to the last minute to lynch just because is boring when it's pretty much gonna be one of the two. Even if you don't vote switch just yet, start formulating a solid opinion because you're gonna have to decide soon.
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People voting me: Why do you care so much about my reads when PX Your Lord And Savior doesn't provide any himself? Nitpicking on my flimsier reads and not caring about the lack of explained reads in general on PX The Prognosticator is really annoying.
In fact, PX Soothsayer Of Scumminess, when I flip town, who's going to be your next target? You haven't even come up with another scumread this game. There's three scum in this game you know, and that's only made worse when you realize I'm not one of them.
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BT would you rather I came off as tunneling on Zak by plugging him in literally every single post? There are only so many things you can talk about when the player you're voting refuses to post more then once a day.
Telling me I'm scum for sitting on a lurker vote is WIFOM because I'm not going to have much to say about him either way.
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Meh, since PX has the votes, him first.
##Unvote
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No it isn't; you didn't say anything about him but you didn't say anything about anyone else either. When one "sits" on a lurker vote it's usually the scum-motivated "I'll put my vote here and not do much else" kind.
cut Actually it's a tie and Shadoweh would put her vote on NNR making it 5-4. ?_?
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@BT - If your reasoning for why PX is town is based on previous game behaviour, that's not going to sway me at all. Don't know you guys previous behaviour so I'm ignoring anything about that and focusing on what I see here.
And no matter how it's spun, PX's behaviour towards rawr is suspicious and so far has no real explanation.
Seriously, when stuff like:
because he doesnt need to give a reason if he doesnt want too and you shouldnt be trying to force a reason out of him.
currently
town - px bt shadoweh conq
scum - people voting px
Is the best reason you can give, that's sounds very scummy to me. I stand by my opinion that both PX and rawr are scummy. If one ends up flipping town the other would likely be town too but again, I haven't seen anything to really convince me.
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Darkoda, there are plenty of circumstances in which this is perfectly normal behavior from townies. This is one of those times.
Trust me. It's not scummy. In fact scum usually refrain from being blatant about connections like that so if that's what you're thinking then it's not it.
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Yes, everyone is generally pretty cagey about revealing role-related info until either LyLo, or if they're about to be lynched. It's stuff that generally doesn't help the town much to know yet, but benefits the scum.
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Also I am quite clearly not scum with Dorian as I tried to lynch him yesterday. If you had actually read me when you voted you would know that instead of guessing.
(http://s19.postimage.org/gts7gv2j3/char_maizono3.png) nnr scum supports shadoweh scum and vice versa but i don't think dorian fits into the puzzle ?_?
(http://s19.postimage.org/6z12amykv/char_maizono1.png) you see i already covered that by saying "dorian doesn't fit into the puzzle" and you should know what i mean by that.
(http://s19.postimage.org/gts7gv2j3/char_maizono3.png) also your post is more of an omgus though because you were just like 'la-dee-dah let's vote conq' and then you react to my post and vote on you with 'omg die the death sentence to death great equalizer is the death'
1) Why are the feelings stronger
2) How does that support one another
(http://s19.postimage.org/xza9lgxhr/char_maizono9.png) i can't explain these feelings that come from the bottom of my heart
(http://s19.postimage.org/gv25aa4cv/char_maizono2.png) also maybe i should have said "nnr scum does not contradict shadoweh scum, and vice versa" while dorian is, like i said, sort of out there.
(http://s19.postimage.org/p87u4y3kf/char_maizono6.png) honestly as much as I'd like to feel strongly about either nnr or px i feel like they're not worth my time, they're objectively both lamers but they're always lamers so i can't decide whether they're town lamers or scum lamers >_> it's like i want them dead but i don't want to waste a lynch on them, this must be what zakeri felt when he made a list of people to shoot overnight `_`
(http://s19.postimage.org/5er4yi0sv/char_maizono15.png) leaning towards lynching nnr though but uuuuugh. i kind of want px to roleclaim just for my own convenience but i don't suppose anyone else thinks it's a good idea
(http://s19.postimage.org/8uj981y1b/char_maizono8.png) of course we can always lynch shadoweh, we don't have to restrict ourselves to lynching between nnr and px
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No it isn't; you didn't say anything about him but you didn't say anything about anyone else either. When one "sits" on a lurker vote it's usually the scum-motivated "I'll put my vote here and not do much else" kind.
you didn't say anything about him
Clearly I had to say stuff about him because I voted him and I made multiple posts discussing why I thought he was scum. The original vote was a sheep, but I came up with my own reasons and didn't end up parroting Dan either.
you didn't say anything about anyone else either
This is a complete crock of crap, and you know it.
People I read D1: BT, Dormio, Dan, PX, Affinity, Darkoda, Amra, Rawr, Shadoweh
Townjesus PX made one readpost at the very start of D1 and then neglected to read anyone else for the rest of the day.
Where's the discrepancy?
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Darkoda, there are plenty of circumstances in which this is perfectly normal behavior from townies. This is one of those times.
Trust me. It's not scummy. In fact scum usually refrain from being blatant about connections like that so if that's what you're thinking then it's not it.
This is why you don't get into role spekulashans
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I'm about to turn around my town read on BT for his fictional postings
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(http://s19.postimage.org/p1pjo451r/char_maizono11.png) semi-conspiracy post: bt is hard defending px because they're both scum ??? i suddenly find it odd that bt and shadoweh are both being very vocal about px being town. i was kind of iffy about scum!px because I thought general opinion of him was not scum, but then I realized bt/shadoweh does not constitute general opinion `_` kind of interested in px now
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(http://s19.postimage.org/k1s3g5zf3/char_maizono12.png) guys i am not getting anywhere just from mindlessly rereading this game, where is everyone
(http://s19.postimage.org/5er4yi0sv/char_maizono15.png) also just to make sure, i don't really think bt is that scummy, i just don't get why bt needs to defend px so much ?_? i kind of think px is sort of scummy tho
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I really have nothing to say :/
Of the four people voting me, 3 have dropped everything and gone to absolutely talking about me. Can't really add anything to NNR other than he's acting like a bitch. And most of the day has basically devolved to me vs him, and I don't think people are changing their opinions no matter what is said. I can say that with NNR, he has officially moved to everybody voting him is scum, and his thoughts of Dormio have moved from "probably scummy" to totally town. Because he's not voting him.
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Polly you forgot me, I actively think PX is town too D:
BT is vocally defending PX because PX is a big wagon, but PX is also town and shouldn't get lynched, especially not lynched over NNR (Or Dormio/Rawr but)
of course we can always lynch shadoweh, we don't have to restrict ourselves to lynching between nnr and px
Quite honestly Shadoweh is looking pretty iffy this game (normally I find her obvtown really fast, but this time... >_>) but at the same time, A.There's higher priorities and B.Not enough people want to lynch Shadoweh for a shadoweh lynch to actually occur today, and it's late enough in the day for that to mean It's Time To Work On Something That Will Happen
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I really have nothing to say :/
Pro-tier posting
Of the four people voting me, 3 have dropped everything and gone to absolutely talking about me.
Maeb it's bcuz............. ur scum
can't really add anything to NNR other than he's acting like a bitch.
son i don't like your attitude on my attitude
I can say that with NNR, he has officially moved to everybody voting him is scum
I am not seeing a problem with this, clearly it's because Your Case Is Bad And You Should Feel Badtm.
and his thoughts of Dormio have moved from "probably scummy" to totally town. Because he's not voting him.
I thought Dormio was Not Posting but then I reread him and it turns out he Was Posting so now he's cool
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For people who want to vote PX, I'll take another, new approach. let's look at the PX wagon.
NNR, Affinity, Dormio, Dorian, Darkoda.
Affinity is the only person on this wagon who does not explicitly look weird. In fact, I would be okay with every single other person on this wagon getting shot during the night. (I'm sorry Darkoda it's nothing personal!)
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Serela why are you buddying PX so hard? You're pushing "PX Town" harder then you're pushing "NNR Scum"
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Buddying? I explained in logic why I thought he was town, and then later BT went and expanded upon my reasons with much more detail to cover basically anything else that could possibly be covered. At this point I'm just trying to do what I can to make sure a townie isn't lynched over someone who A.Looks scummy and B.Is going to distract everyone the whole game even if he's town
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Just about everyone on the PX wagon looking not-very-town is also legit a bad sign, just saying.
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(http://s19.postimage.org/5er4yi0sv/char_maizono15.png) uuugh i kind of want to get this day over with so that we can move on to more important things like serela's true gender and shadoweh's love life
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shadoweh's love life
I'm sure that it's filled with kittens~
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(http://s19.postimage.org/5er4yi0sv/char_maizono15.png) uuugh i kind of want to get this day over with so that we can move on to more important things like serela's true gender and shadoweh's love life
You can vote someone then :V
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Buddying? I explained in logic why I thought he was town, and then later BT went and expanded upon my reasons with much more detail to cover basically anything else that could possibly be covered. At this point I'm just trying to do what I can to make sure a townie isn't lynched over someone who A.Looks scummy and B.Is going to distract everyone the whole game even if he's town
Wow that really supports the claim that PX is out to lynch the loudest and most annoying person on his wagon to deflate it.
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For people who want to vote PX, I'll take another, new approach. let's look at the PX wagon.
NNR, Affinity, Dormio, Dorian, Darkoda.
Affinity is the only person on this wagon who does not explicitly look weird. In fact, I would be okay with every single other person on this wagon getting shot during the night. (I'm sorry Darkoda it's nothing personal!)
serela gets it =/
The fact that NNR posts have devolved into nitpicking every posts makes me want to lynch him harder. Id also probably roleclaim just to help confirm his death
Darkoda - votes and posts doesnt really read as town at all. Hes only voting me/px for not releasing information. He also doesnt seem to really care who dies atm. @darkoda if me and px were to release this info would you automatically stop voting us?
@Polaris I dont understand, are you suspecting both NNR and PX as scum? your earlier post suggest that you think hes not town.
Leaning pretty null on polaris atm, seeing that hes leaning scum on both nnr and px is abit weird
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Wow that really supports the claim that PX is out to lynch the loudest and most annoying person on his wagon to deflate it.
> On the wagon
> When I voted you with the first post of the day
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Also, you just admitted you're being annoying. And probably on purpose. Would lynch.
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(http://s19.postimage.org/p87u4y3kf/char_maizono6.png) rawr it's not that they're both scum, but i think everyone can agree that they're both sort of lamers and it's just a pain to try and choose one of them ugh. i just feel really apathetic about it all, and i'm not exactly confident that either of them will actually be scum
(http://s19.postimage.org/3n2rhc6tr/char_maizono5.png) like i feel like i've been forced to choose between one of them since you guys are railroading me towards those two instead of having interesting conversations ?_?
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(http://s19.postimage.org/k1s3g5zf3/char_maizono12.png) it's like starting a visual novel and realizing you're forced to clear routes for two totally insufferable love interests before moving on to the true end
(http://s19.postimage.org/gv25aa4cv/char_maizono2.png) but enough whining since i really don't care anymore
##Unvote
##Vote NekoNekoRex
(http://s19.postimage.org/i7f8yfcen/char_maizono14.png) i guess instinctively i felt worse about nnr than i did about px, and i always trust my instincts
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the wonderful Dormio
RE: Why watakushi-sama is ignoring NNR
that person
Basically, ano hito reminds of town!NNR in games such as micro31.
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(http://s19.postimage.org/gts7gv2j3/char_maizono3.png) pretty sure i tied the votes now, both px and nnr have 5 votes each at l-2
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We can have interesting conversations tomorrow Polly! Sorry, but you kind of joined in around consolidation time with two clear wagons D:
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the wonderful Dormio
RE: Why watakushi-sama is ignoring NNR
that person
Basically, ano hito reminds of town!NNR in games such as micro31.
therefore I look that person
Append: Dakara watashi doesn't want to bother to mitte at ano hito.
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Also, you just admitted you're being annoying. And probably on purpose. Would lynch.
PX confirmed for voting based on attitudes, not actual scum content
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rawr: it's not hard to devolve your posting when the person who's voting you was voting for petty bullshit to begin with
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you kind of joined in around consolidation time with two clear wagons D:
(http://s19.postimage.org/5er4yi0sv/char_maizono15.png) if both nnr and px end up town then i kind of want someone to take responsibility for this waste of a d2 (although it's not really anyone's fault, so i'll just have to blame the mafia fairy or something)
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(http://s19.postimage.org/5er4yi0sv/char_maizono15.png) if both nnr and px end up town then i kind of want someone to take responsibility for this waste of a d2 (although it's not really anyone's fault, so i'll just have to blame the mafia fairy or something)
There's always Dormio. Please lynch him after.
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Amra, GO POST IN MAFIA. I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE, AND I HAVE YOUR VOICE AND FACE.
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Going "I see no reason to think that Affinity/Conq is scum" when you haven't addressed everyone (you haven't addressed Serela all game and you haven't laid down a read on Shadoweh at all, for example) is kind of what. Are they better than the rest? Because you haven't laid a reason for that.
I'd also like to know what your current stance on NNR is. How much from your D1 case have you retracted? Do you agree or disagree with my case?
(Answer whenever you're back?)
And I would like to know the lottery number for the next draw, but I guess you wouldn?t tell me even if you know them.I thought that calling them town reads were already enough to imply that ?I've seen things that make me think they are town? but I was already half asleep at that point. So let me fill in the blanks:
Serela is uninteresting, as in I've only glanced through his post so far.
Shadoweh is a lingering something.
SasAmra-san and Darkoda are both new and have both only rudiments of original content.
Rawr is as easy to read as a brick that fall on the keyboard.
Now back to the topics where I have actually something to say about. My approach on NNR was mostly putting him aside for a while, to get time to ?explore that Terra incognita? that are the above-mentioned player, and then ISO read him again to see if the impression still stands. So I hope you don't mind it when I update my opinion on him as soon as I actually did that.
But about your case (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943791.html#msg943791) I can say that I have to disagree with the first part, town needs time and reasons to get to solid reads while scum can give solid reads early, when they can't be that strong anyway, and vanish into vagueness later, when it comes to decide on a lynch for an instance.
The rest are valued points and I at last like to think that some goes into the same direction as my case did, particularly the question why he was so focused on Zakeri never looked into other direction.
When I think about it, the wagons today looks like they are set into stone already, so I shift the Terra incognita exploration into the night and ISO-reread NNR now.
PS: And with now I mean after I got myself some cigarettes.
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Also, I have work tomorrow morning, but I'll be back before deadline.
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Votecount Sponsored by: Ralvuh-wormthing
Affinity: (0)
BT: (0)
Polaris: Shadoweh (1)
Darkoda: (0)
Dorian: (0)
Dormio: (0)
NekoNekoRex: PX, Serela, BT, rawr, Polaris (5) [L-2]
PX: NekoNekoRex, Affinity, Dormio, Dorian, Darkoda (5) [L-2]
rawr: (0)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: (0)
Not voting: SasAmra-san
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
You have 16.5 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130203T18&p0=911&msg=End+of+D2) hours remaining.
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Does PX even respond to my posts? Most of his posts are just summations of why I'm scummy (and most of them not really valid scumtells), but he doesn't actually respond to anything I say to him
That's pretty terrible. It's also kind of aggravating because he's basically ignoring me while piledriving the scumread into the ground.
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In fact I think everyone on the Scum Voting Block has been avoiding some of my more hard-hitting questions
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Because it's not worth it if you keep responding with sarcastic remarks like this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943994.html#msg943994) and this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg944172.html#msg944172). Honestly, just a big headache and I seriously don't mind dying right now.
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Fact of the matter is that both of you at this point aren't doing much other than being lame (and I'm angry at PX for this).
People should just realize that NNR has never put any effort into his reads.
And that he currently prefers addressing his wagon as scum instead of actually identifying any scum on his wagon.
"OMG the SCUM VOTING BLOCK"
"I MIGHT change that BT read OMG" // By the way, you don't have a good reason for doing that -- you thought I was misguided on D1 too. Nothing changed.
PX deserves scrutiny for his D2 but it's a lot better when you realize that PX's push on NNR ever since it happened reads like he ACTUALLY FINDS HIM TO BE SCUM. On the other hand NNR resorted to pushing Zakeri which somehow excused him from putting effort because "but but there's no content there" and I already went over what he's doing now.
Let's not forget the fact that PX claimed role info on rawr. And that NNR claimed untargetable.
I'm still shocked that this is a thing.
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For people who want to vote PX, I'll take another, new approach. let's look at the PX wagon.
NNR, Affinity, Dormio, Dorian, Darkoda.
Affinity is the only person on this wagon who does not explicitly look weird. In fact, I would be okay with every single other person on this wagon getting shot during the night. (I'm sorry Darkoda it's nothing personal!)
This is what I was going for when I asked people for their townreads.
I think Dormio hasn't responded yet. <_< Dormio, who are your townreads?
At this point I'm just trying to do what I can to make sure a townie isn't lynched over someone who A.Looks scummy and B.Is going to distract everyone the whole game even if he's town
+1
There's also flip value to consider.
the wonderful Dormio
RE: Why watakushi-sama is ignoring NNR
that person
Basically, ano hito reminds of town!NNR in games such as micro31.
You are totally his scumbuddy.
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Sorry BT, all my effort towards this game disappeared shortly after D2 started. Honestly I didn't even want to post last night. I'm also willing to role claim, though I doubt it'll get anyone off of me.
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Actually, people who want me dead would probably LOVE my claim. And d-don't get the wrong impression of me and Rawr. I-it's not like I like him or anything.
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Crumbing it won't make it any more obvious
>.<
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i thought i crumbed it earlier?
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Welcome to NNR vs PX, the event of the day! No, really.
honestly I sorta feel the same about this situation as Polaris does.
Amra, GO POST IN MAFIA. I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE, AND I HAVE YOUR VOICE AND FACE.
go fuck yourself with a daedalus.
but let's elaborate. (not on the daedalus fucking)
People voting me: Why do you care so much about my reads when PX Your Lord And Savior doesn't provide any himself? Nitpicking on my flimsier reads and not caring about the lack of explained reads in general on PX The Prognosticator is really annoying.
In fact, PX Soothsayer Of Scumminess, when I flip town, who's going to be your next target? You haven't even come up with another scumread this game. There's three scum in this game you know, and that's only made worse when you realize I'm not one of them.
to be completely honest I prefer having someone mediocre compared to someone who's loud and making both shoddy and decent statements. in addition, the whole 'what are you going to do when I end up being town' ploy is one of the oldest tricks in the book and just screams scum. just from personal experience.
Wow that really supports the claim that PX is out to lynch the loudest and most annoying person on his wagon to deflate it.
kettle, meet pot. pot, I'm sure you're very familiar with kettle. from what I see both of you are just focusing on each other for the brunt of things. I'm also not entirely sure how something Serela said relates to how PX's lynching habits. I'm just going to side with PX because, like someone said, the entire game will just revolve around NOISE NOISE NOISE if this isn't done.
@Rawr: I'd honestly appreciate that info too, no lie. would clear my residual doubts about doing this.
conspiracy: they're both scum and they're hoping that getting one lynched will take heat off the other?
##Vote NekoNekoRex
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no-one else has really done anything blaringly obvious to a total newb like me so I can't comment on anything else.
the whole rawr+px buddy buddy stuff still creeps me out though.
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I think Dormio hasn't responded yet. <_< Dormio, who are your townreads?
I I time time various the mighty Dormio trash
Watashi does believe that watashi has said jikan and Jikan again in samazama games that watakushi-sama thinks that the concept of townreads is absolute gomi.
the bravest Dormio people I I
However, Watakushi-sama will provide a list of hito watashi is not paying attention to. That is to say, people watashi wouldn't want lynched.
- Watakushi-sama
- Shadoweh
- Dorian
- Serela
ConqPolaris- NNR
- Affinity
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the whole rawr+px buddy buddy stuff still creeps me out though.
you wonderful the wonderful Dormio
Kimi should totally join the subarashii wagon with watakushi-sama on it then.
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Because it's not worth it if you keep responding with sarcastic remarks like this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943994.html#msg943994) and this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg944172.html#msg944172). Honestly, just a big headache and I seriously don't mind dying right now.
Your posts aren't exactly friendly either
And that he currently prefers addressing his wagon as scum instead of actually identifying any scum on his wagon.
What... wait... what? Are you trashing my scumreads or something? Get real.
"I MIGHT change that BT read OMG" // By the way, you don't have a good reason for doing that -- you thought I was misguided on D1 too. Nothing changed.
It's because your posts have gone from "rational" to "completely made up"
PX deserves scrutiny for his D2 but it's a lot better when you realize that PX's push on NNR ever since it happened reads like he ACTUALLY FINDS HIM TO BE SCUM.
PX's D1 NNR case:
Post 1: NNR's sheep is awful, he is bad and lazy
Post 2 (a day later): dat AtE
PX can't even respond to my posts, all he's been doing is nitpicking and making broad statments.
On the other hand NNR resorted to pushing Zakeri which somehow excused him from putting effort because "but but there's no content there" and I already went over what he's doing now.
Meanwhile I took the time to openly analyze Zakeri's posts and explain why they are scummy. When he posted. Again, just because I don't plug him in every post doesn't mean I'm sitting on the vote and being lazy about it. I was also spending the day making reads and interacting with other players.
It's called "being productive".
Let's not forget the fact that PX claimed role info on rawr. And that NNR claimed untargetable.
...and?
You are totally his scumbuddy.
You are totally PX's scumbuddy.
Actually no maybe not but you're being hella hypocritical.
Actually, people who want me dead would probably LOVE my claim. And d-don't get the wrong impression of me and Rawr. I-it's not like I like him or anything.
TheProblemWithEarlySoftclaims.jpeg
Why would you announce something like that so early in the game if not to put a giant target on your head? If you're claiming the role I think you're claiming, making it so obvious is about the most retarded thing you can do. I considered the fact you had such a role when you went "don't lynch rawr" the first time, but now you're not even believable because nobody would telegraph a role like that so hard.
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to be completely honest I prefer having someone mediocre compared to someone who's loud and making both shoddy and decent statements. in addition, the whole 'what are you going to do when I end up being town' ploy is one of the oldest tricks in the book and just screams scum. just from personal experience.
Attitude/Posting Style > Scumtells does not a proper vote validate
in addition, the whole 'what are you going to do when I end up being town' ploy is one of the oldest tricks in the book and just screams scum. just from personal experience.
I am asking PX this question because he has no other scumreads. If I'm the scum he's made no indication as to who I could be scum with, bar Dormio as he implied later.
He's mindlessly tunneling on me and not even coming up with a good case.
kettle, meet pot. pot, I'm sure you're very familiar with kettle.
I don't think you got the joke there, I'm simply referencing a comment he made about me (that I'm out to kill the loudest player on my wagon) It's also there to criticize the scum logic Serela has been posting all day.
PX because, like someone said, the entire game will just revolve around NOISE NOISE NOISE if this isn't done.
Get used to it? Some players are louder then others. I happen to be exceptionally loud and intense in my scumhunting efforts.
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You guys might as well actually lynch Dormio for having hard-to-read posts.
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see, his posts aren't really that hard to read anymore. That really hasn't been an issue for a while.
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and regardless of reason, you've still painted a 'HEY GUYS I'M SCUM' on your face with that statement
the both of you are tunneling each other at this point.
and instead of actually posting useful you throw out references and vague criticisms that I have to ask for clarification for; you've been complaining about bad scumhunts but right now you're taking up all the attention, so much that others can't be bothered to read or post anything, and that's just a bit counterproductive. I mean, I was joking about the whole conspiracy theory, but I'm starting to think there's some sort of sacrificial-lamb-to-buy-time thing going on here.
no one's really done anything useful this day and it's pretty annoying. it's like staring at the two kids in the yard screaming 'he started it!', so let's get them off the playground and actually start something.
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and regardless of reason, you've still painted a 'HEY GUYS I'M SCUM' on your face with that statement
the both of you are tunneling each other at this point.
and instead of actually posting useful you throw out references and vague criticisms that I have to ask for clarification for; you've been complaining about bad scumhunts but right now you're taking up all the attention, so much that others can't be bothered to read or post anything, and that's just a bit counterproductive. I mean, I was joking about the whole conspiracy theory, but I'm starting to think there's some sort of sacrificial-lamb-to-buy-time thing going on here.
no one's really done anything useful this day and it's pretty annoying. it's like staring at the two kids in the yard screaming 'he started it!', so let's get them off the playground and actually start something.
If you feel that no one is doing anything, then why don't you do or start something yourself? Why is today, which has mostly been deliberating about PX vs NNR and who to lynch among them, not 'useful'? Given that the range of people you have been talking about is awfully small compared to the player pool, I don't think your criticism holds any weight.
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and regardless of reason, you've still painted a 'HEY GUYS I'M SCUM' on your face with that statement
Clearly you don't get it. You're trying to lynch me because I'm loud and annoying, which is a problem you are having with my attitude and frequency of posts.
That is NOT a valid reason to find someone scummy. My posts are going to be loud and frequent regardless of my alignment, and that's something you're going to have get fucking used to because that's how I get things done in Mafia
the both of you are tunneling each other at this point.
I've been providing frequent reads on other players. Obviously I'm not going to switch off PX though.
and instead of actually posting useful you throw out references and vague criticisms that I have to ask for clarification for;
Would you care to actually provide proof? That seems to be a running theme with the people on my wagon. Stop throwing out baseless accusations and back up some convictions for a change.
you've been complaining about bad scumhunts but right now you're taking up all the attention, so much that others can't be bothered to read or post anything, and that's just a bit counterproductive.
That is not my fault and players are free to discuss and vote anyone else. I mean, I was joking about the whole conspiracy theory, but I'm starting to think there's some sort of sacrificial-lamb-to-buy-time thing going on here.
Has anyone even commented on that?
no one's really done anything useful this day and it's pretty annoying. it's like staring at the two kids in the yard screaming 'he started it!', so let's get them off the playground and actually start something.
I've been pushing one case all day. I've been trying to get my scumread lynched by any means necessary. As town, that's what it takes to find and lynch scum.
But tell me, what have you done today? This post is just a bunch of noisy whining that your posts, which contain no original thought or attempts to get somebody else but me or PX lynched. Look at me and PX today. We've (or at least I have) been actually working here trying to get the other one lynched. It's effort and it's not easy. Stop being a bitch and actually go scumhunt if you want to get something done.
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Anyways PX is obviously not putting any real effort into actually getting me lynched, as evidence to the fact he's never responded to my posts and refuses to answer critical questions from other players.
His reasoning has been lazy and not well explained since D1 ("terrible sheep", "AtE", "LaL is terrible", etc), he basically ignores me while trying to call for a lynch, and even his (soft)claim has been so telegraphed that nobody who actually has that role would make it that obvious. PX doesn't provide more then barebones reads either and makes no effort to seek additional choices that also are viable for lynch, which matters when we likely have a scumteam of more then one (two if Dormio is a scumread) players.
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@BT:
I... don't understand what you're trying to say here. Like he said himself countless times, it's easier to find things to talk about if the guy you're talking about is posting more. Focusing mostly on other things while his vote was standing there isn't necessarily something he chose to do.
My reason for discussing this point was that you say his read on me was natural and town-ish when in reality it... just... isn't, and at worst null. Why do you disbelieve that NNR is scum?
My point is that he could have chosen to vote you instead since he had more content on you. He had no reason to withhold judgement on you and then vote on Zakeri with a borrowed case unless he really believed it in my opinion. Your point on why his changing read on you is scummy was that he was trying to give the impression that he was scumhunting. Why not give that impression with a vote to back it up, instead of a vote somewhere else? Because NNR really believed it more, that seems to be the explanation here.
I think he's town because I don't believe the rather nonsensical (in my view) assertions that he is not scumhunting and that he's voting PX without looking at the 'bigger picture' (a collection of 50-50 things without consideration of his content) much. I certainly agree with most of his PX case today quite strongly, for one, and I believe the vote on him is justified. While I find his lumping of all scumspects to people who were all his wagon yesterday weird and not well-thought out, and that he's being a general ass and a minor nuisance to this game, I think his exchanges with others were rather strong. For example, when looking at PX-NNR, PX has been repeatedly trying to find reasons to justify his vote on NNR, and when NNR counters them, PX can do nothing but to disregard and try another set of reasons. The fact that he finds this scummy is pretty justified.
The only acceptable option remaining in the case of scum-town is that PX decided to gambit early (because he told everyone not to lynch rawr early on), which doesn't fit the fact that he seemed :srsbsns: about this game.
This sentence in favour of PX!town is rather weak (appearances can be faked, and evil deeds born under guiltless guise). In general there's nothing stopping PX!scum from being actually role-related to town!rawr in some way, or town!PX being related to scum!rawr; and it's impossible to tell the difference.
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With that, I won't be around for the deadline. I will deal with other players like Dorian tomorrow. Vote stays.
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just noting that I won't be back for deadline because I'm leaving for work in a few minutes
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The summary of my NNR reread:
His scum hunting at last improved a bit, he followed his day one suspicion on PX and Rawr with cases(PX (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943576.html#msg943576), Rawr (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943583.html#msg943583)), he even picked up suspicion on Dormio just to dismiss them later (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943589.html#msg943589). But there are also several moments of suspicion against Shadoweh and his exchange with Serela that lead him actually nowhere, at last I haven't seen an conclusions on them. I start to see a pattern here, ?Compare and contrast to my scumreads all of which are low-content, low-frequency posters ... (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942638.html#msg942638)? and that has not changed at all. I even have to agree with him about PX but his mostly inconclusive way to handle his other ?scum picks? make me think that he's more going for easy targets than actual scum hunting. I still think he could be scum.
Actually, people who want me dead would probably LOVE my claim. And d-don't get the wrong impression of me and Rawr. I-it's not like I like him or anything.
Does that really mean what I think it means? That's just hilarious. And I have to say that I was stunned for a good while, mostly cause it would be indeed a bold gambit for scum to pull off, but to crumb it like said you did is nothing less than suicidal as town. Vote stays.
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Ummm...sooo...uhhhh...NNR probated at L-1, assuming my count is right...
Fossil Roo Votecount
Affinity: (0)
BT: (0)
Polaris: Shadoweh (1)
Darkoda: (0)
Dorian: (0)
Dormio: (0)
NekoNekoRex: PX, Serela, BT, rawr, Polaris, SasAmra-san (6) [L-1]
PX: NekoNekoRex, Affinity, Dormio, Dorian, Darkoda (5) [L-2]
rawr: (0)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: (0)
Not voting: no one
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
You have 5 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130203T18&p0=911&msg=End+of+D2) hours remaining to decide on a lynch.
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I'm choking
How is it suicidal
He first pulled it when people were talking about consolidating on rawr
So that they won't go through with it (and won't waste time too)
It is THE reason to out the connection
(Compare that with what happened in a certain other trainwreck game)
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I just want the bullshit to end at this point
Shadoweh, please?
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Seeing NNR pull WIFOM after his anti-bullshit campaign is probably what broke the camel's back
Fuck this, I'm not reading
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affinity: thatsall well and good to say that I should be doing somethimg productive, but there's the glaring issue that I'm not sure where to start beyond the obvious, and if there's ANYTHING that's obvious right now it's NNR.
I was under the assumption that nothing I did carried weight anyway because of how new and inexperienced I am? I can really only comment on the people I know personally and the loud ones. Which would be PX/rawr/dormio. And NNR.
from my perspective, mafia is and continues to be an acting exercise. and, as I've stated before, being annoying is not the pettiest reason I've seen to lynch someone. When one actor is being extremely large and is taking away from the rest of the cast, you get rid of them. I sincerely apologize if that's not how we do things here, but as someone who wants to contribute whatever measly reads I can I'm simply trying to get rid of the number one person who's distracting me.
its amusing seeing nnr tell me to dwi his attitude, because the #1 way to deal with actors with that sort of attitude is firing them.
@probation: pfahaha does this happen often?
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@probation: pfahaha does this happen often?
No it does not >_>
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You're doing fine
For someone who hasn't played internet mafia before you're doing more than fine
Probation doesn't happen often but people getting pissed off isn't anything new
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In general there's nothing stopping PX!scum from being actually role-related to town!rawr in some way, or town!PX being related to scum!rawr; and it's impossible to tell the difference.
my role confirms px to be town. this also isnt angelbeats mafia 2.0 either so were not scumbuddies together either. Im also pretty sure this isnt a bastard mod game either... right?
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actually affinity isnt coming back so w/e
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Dorian you should switch to NNR if you're still here, Shadoweh may have drowned in quicksand for all we know and you're wrong about the claim being a scum gambit soooo
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(http://s19.postimage.org/gts7gv2j3/char_maizono3.png) technically it's been over 24 hours since shadoweh last posted hmm
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(http://s19.postimage.org/8uj981y1b/char_maizono8.png) i'm bored so let's pretend d3 started
(http://s19.postimage.org/gv25aa4cv/char_maizono2.png) shadoweh has still been lurky and it feels like she didn't bother to regard the nnr vs. px thing at all. like she lists a bunch of people she thinks are scum/not scum (see end of page 17) but it doesn't look like she wants to lynch any of them until I vote her and she practically does an omgus on me `_` it's like she's just sort of cheerleading the nnr wagon. so shadoweh is pretty scummy irrespective of nnr's alignment and is even more scummy assuming nnr turns up scum.
(http://s19.postimage.org/gts7gv2j3/char_maizono3.png) also we should stop ignoring darkoda the lurky lurkface, his d2 reads are pretty inconsistent since he at first thinks dormio is weird for insisting that px is scum and then he thinks that px and rawr are scum while randomly dropping the dormio line of thought, and i can't really follow that transition. well i guess he moved to px/rawr after prompting from nnr, but why just randomly drop dormio as a result?
(http://s19.postimage.org/gv25aa4cv/char_maizono2.png) so yes frownyfaces for shadoweh and darkoda. i'm going to put my faith in px/rawr town claim but if you two turn out to be scum i am never playing mafia again >:(
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the mighty Dormio
NNR getting probated amuses watakushi-sama to no end.
I
Well, it's not like it changes how watashi is viewing the game at all.
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quicksand is one way to put it
stupid probated idiot. Am I the only one around the hammer since I assume the mason claim isn't getting lynched?
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(http://s19.postimage.org/gts7gv2j3/char_maizono3.png) i want to frownyface dorian too, but i can't frownyface both dorian and shadoweh because i don't think it makes that much sense?? like i said i have stronger feelings for shadoweh so she is higher priority than dorian. (i don't really know why people are putting shadoweh on the town list anyway, she's been doing nothing)
(http://s19.postimage.org/gts7gv2j3/char_maizono3.png) i guess if i want to keep my options open then i'll have to look closely at dormio and maybe affinity, too, but they don't immediately raise any red flags so hmmm? well i can't exactly say that affinity is the townest of towns like he was in the previous game i played with him, so i guess it's still up for consideration.
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(http://s19.postimage.org/8uj981y1b/char_maizono8.png) feel free to hammer because honestly we're not going to miss two hours of doing absolutely nothing ?_? unless someone objects for whatever reason
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From NNR's thoughts QuickTopic which he was nice enough to link me to:
If notobdy actually switches to me I want to declare a ##Unvote and ##Vote: NekoNekoRex
I'll count that.
End of Disc Day 2 Votecount
Polaris: Shadoweh (1)
NekoNekoRex: PX, Serela, BT, rawr, Polaris, SasAmra-san, NekoNekoRex (7) LYNCH
PX: Affinity, Dormio, Dorian, Darkoda (4)
NekoNekoRex was lynched. He was playing as Freya Crescent, Town 2-shot Commuter.
Twice at night you can jump into the air to render yourself untargetable by night actions.
Night 2 has now begun. You have 25 hours (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130204T17&p0=911&msg=End+of+N2) until the next day starts.
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The third day dawned, and 1 more was missing.
BT, playing Eiko Carol, Town Doctor, entered Trance, became an angel and ascended!
Once per night you may select one player to protect from being killed that night. You will not be informed if your protection was successful.
It is now DAY 3.
With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
You have 72 hours remaining.
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Bah busy weekend. Least I'm here for the start of d3.
Darkoda, there are plenty of circumstances in which this is perfectly normal behavior from townies. This is one of those times.
Trust me. It's not scummy. In fact scum usually refrain from being blatant about connections like that so if that's what you're thinking then it's not it.
When it comes from the same person who back in Day 1 was going on about crumbing, that sounds a bit iffy. And it is entirely possible that he did it because it's something not usually done by scum.
serela gets it =/
The fact that NNR posts have devolved into nitpicking every posts makes me want to lynch him harder. Id also probably roleclaim just to help confirm his death
Darkoda - votes and posts doesnt really read as town at all. Hes only voting me/px for not releasing information. He also doesnt seem to really care who dies atm. @darkoda if me and px were to release this info would you automatically stop voting us?
@Polaris I dont understand, are you suspecting both NNR and PX as scum? your earlier post suggest that you think hes not town.
Leaning pretty null on polaris atm, seeing that hes leaning scum on both nnr and px is abit weird
Depends on how convincing it is. Given that scum have safe claims in this game, it would need to be pretty good. Given that nnr was town and you and px were effectively riding on him since day 1, yeah my opinion really hasn't changed on you and PX.
##Vote PX
I'm pretty sure that Serela, Affinity and Dorian are town, not sure on the rest.
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Darkoda, PX has claimed to be a mason, why are you voting him on the basis that scum might have fake claims?
Serela shutup I don't care if you think it's weird
##Vote: Polaris
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lovers not masons
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told you shadoweh
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Would lynch:Shadoweh, Dorian, Darkoda, Dormio
Dormio is same as I said yesterday. Shadoweh is nowhere near the normal super townie PUSH AND SHOVE let's go that she normally is plus has been kind of almost-tunnelling on Conq/Polly for awhile with a case that wasn't all that great in the first place.
As for the rest, and possibly some elaboration on what I said here, uhm... I'm sleepy and debating how to go about this. Will talk more later, including about the people on my list I haven't really said I wanted dead before now.
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my role confirms px to be town. this also isnt angelbeats mafia 2.0 either so were not scumbuddies together either. Im also pretty sure this isnt a bastard mod game either... right?
This is mason and lovers, you can be one and the other you know.
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also since I realized it I'll just throw out that at this point everyone who I didn't put on my lynching list is a town read (albeit Rawr only due to role shens), affinity probably being the weakest
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Okay we've been talking about this and it seems like anything short of outright saying it is going over your head.
DARKODA. WE HAVE A QUICKTOPIC. IT IS MADE FOR TALKING. WE WANT YOU TO ACTUALLY TALK IN IT SO WE CAN HELP YOU/DECIDE IF YOU ARE SCUM. ACTUALLY OPEN IT BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T USED IT SINCE DAY 1.
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(http://s19.postimage.org/gv25aa4cv/char_maizono2.png) what.
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^I am also in this QT
Part of the reason I needed to think about what to say (e.g. whether or not to claim it)
Like seriously, we were talking about the px/rawr stuff in it overnight, and if he was even reading it at all (He definitely hasn't posted) I highly doubt he'd have that vote right now
On second thought I'm not sure whether or not ignoring the QT is scummy or not (Wouldn't scumbuddies remind him to?) but there's scum reasons to do it as well since he's new so it goes either way and I don't want to get in a WIFOM circle. It's kind of ;_; either way when stuff like -this- starts occurring though.
In other quicktopic news Shadoweh comments on my big wall of reads post early D2 in the QT (She jokingly comments on what I said about her in it), but then numerous ours later posts in the mafia thread saying she can't understand it at all, etc. I think that's some weird dissonance, and it was the first time I started actually realizing Shadoweh looked kinda weird. And then she never did anything after except tunnel on Conq/Polly :T
(http://s19.postimage.org/gv25aa4cv/char_maizono2.png) what.
HI POLLY :D
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(http://s19.postimage.org/gts7gv2j3/char_maizono3.png) for the record the only players in this quicktopic are shadoweh, darkoda, and serela right, or are there more people
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You'd like to know wouldn't you? :3
I think I'll just leave that a secret.
Partially because it's more amusing this way.
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11. Players may not contact any other player by any means other than in the game thread unless their role permits them to do so.
11a. Unless the role says otherwise, the other means may be used at all times.
(http://s19.postimage.org/xt15w4dqn/char_maizono4.png) also gdi this rule suddenly makes sense, at least I can actually believe the existence of quicktopics outside the scum one thanks to this rule `_`
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(http://s19.postimage.org/gts7gv2j3/char_maizono3.png) i only asked because the most plausible reason why someone isn't talking in a quicktopic is because they have another quicktopic to talk in, i.e. yes this could possibly imply that darkoda is scum
(http://s19.postimage.org/gv25aa4cv/char_maizono2.png) i mean i already expressed my suspicions d2 so i can vote him based on that alone, really
##Vote: Darkoda
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(http://s19.postimage.org/9lgkrkpsf/char_maizono7.png) er i meant to say that this implies that he has a scumbuddy in your little neighborhood, too
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That is plausable but I'd prefer that he explains it himself instead of us giving him reasons.
I told you guys I had buddies I was talking to in my QT after all :3
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I'm really glad huh what didn't join instead of Darkoda actually because I would never be able to trust myself @_@
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Psycho Prophecy proved that HW+QTs=The strongest, universal agreement townread in the game is actually scum
You never would have won even though one scum got SK shot n1 and then lynched d2 if it wasn't that there was extenuating circumstances D:
But I digress.
##Vote Dormio
I think part of the reason I'm not jumping to vote Shadoweh is admittedly because she's one of my buddies and I like having company. I think my read on Dormio is stronger anyway. His d2 was... a thing. Didn't he like, tunnel on PX all day? While blowing off the other wagon entirely. Sure, he had reasons for both of these, but I don't really like the ones for either, as shown by my response to his PX case. :T
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Didn't he like, tunnel on PX all day? While blowing off the other wagon entirely.
so what
Dakara nani?
##Vote PX
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silence is bliss.
except when Darkoda is silent in the QT
that's not bliss.
that's sketchy.
then again sketchy and bliss are not mutually exclusive.
but yes serela and shadoweh have been fun and helpful.
and again, because someone brings it up, I notice it. thanks serela for pointing out shadoweh weirdness.
but yet again I have nothing constructive to add besides 'yeah I'll go with that'
hmmm
gonna hold vote for now.
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So uhhhh, Shadoweh has been kind of weird and stuff and completely invisible Day 2. Yeah....
##Vote Shadoweh
We're not masons! We don't even have a quicktopic!
Anyways, I'll get better opinions tomorrow (busy most of the day with school :\) Wednesday
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I would explain the weirdness but I dislike complaining about it and it's scummy. PX, do you have a guarentee that Rawr is town? You not having a QT makes more sense since we already have half the game in a QT of bliss and cupcakes.
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Wait what? I mean earnestly ? what? That's a conspiracy! A bloody conspiracy! Are you seriously telling me that there are at last three player, if not even more, that can plot and scheme behind the behind the scenes while I'm sitting here bound to deal with this superficial skirmish? And the two I expected to have private talk doesn't even have a QT?
I need some more time to think about it, or even better I consult this matter with my pillow.
But for now I will pick up where I left the last day.
##Vote: PX
When did Shadoweh stopped being town to you? Cause that (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943905.html#msg943905) was the last time I recall that you mentioned her. What had she done that was so weird that she surpass Dormio? And what happened to your suspicion on Dormio anyway?
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I would explain the weirdness but I dislike complaining about it and it's scummy. PX, do you have a guarentee that Rawr is town? You not having a QT makes more sense since we already have half the game in a QT of bliss and cupcakes.
Seconding this. I really don't know what to say when rawr says he has *town role confirmation* on PX all of a sudden yesterday.
In light of this, since this isn't a bastard mod game, if rawr is town and says PX is town, then PX must be town; if rawr is scum then PX may be scum or town. Would like to ask everyone why they are voting PX in this case and not rawr.
Currently my mind is in a pleasant fizz so I'm in no mood to play mafia. Will get around to elaborating more on players tomorrow morning. In short I find Dorian better though I still find his explanation for changing his read on NNR extremely weird . Shadoweh is still a mysterious outlier. Dormio had an original reason to vote PX so he's cool. Serela is cool too, and I find Amra to be rather town-seeming in his responses. Darkoda, PX, and rawr are still really irritating however.
I'll just do this today and explain tomorrow.
##Vote: rawr
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Seconding this. I really don't know what to say when rawr says he has *town role confirmation* on PX all of a sudden yesterday.
what was sudden about it? px was in danger of being lynched which would cause me to die
In light of this, since this isn't a bastard mod game, if rawr is town and says PX is town, then PX must be town; if rawr is scum then PX may be scum or town. Would like to ask everyone why they are voting PX in this case and not rawr.
I feel as though there are too many ways for this sort of logic to turn out.
Anyways making thought post soon
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Stupid mod. Rawr is town.
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thanks captain obvious
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B-b-b-b-baka! Kirai! Shine! Shine! Kirai! ...Baka...
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Votecount in PLOT CITY
Affinity: (0)
Polaris: Shadoweh (1)
Darkoda: Polaris (1)
Dorian: (0)
Dormio: Serela (1)
PX: Darkoda, Dormio, Dorian (3) [L-3]
rawr: Affinity (1)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: PX (1)
Not voting: rawr, SasAmra-san
With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
You have 50 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130207T18&p0=911&msg=End+of+D3) hours remaining.
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Considering the lover masons started soft-outing it d1 when not in terrible danger, and that it falling through means losing -two- scum if they were lying, and the last couple of posts that just happened, I'm pretty goddamn sure they're town and why are half of the voting players voting them?
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One scum one town lover in not-bastard mafia would be ridiculously horrible by the way so Affinity what the hell.
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Like, you even base your reasoning off this not being a bastard mod game, yet what you suggest is very much bastard mod tactics :V
(For those who don't see why, it's because it PUNISHES town for lynching scum. Admittedly, it's possible to balance the numbers in the setup to make it less evil, but...)
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Serela
Shadoweh
Affinity
Dormio
Dorian
Polaris
Amra
PX
rawr
Darkoda
well if you guys really are masons, this makes it much easier
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You bunch of goofballs. How is it that even when I'm half asleep I can tell what you're claiming better then you can?
I don't think scum/town lovers would be unbalanced really, but they're both claiming mason too so no need to worry about it.
Rawr: No, YOU are the masons. We're just a neighbourhood. It would be really weird for there to be a four person all town neighbourhood actually @_@
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Rawr: No, YOU are the masons. We're just a neighbourhood. It would be really weird for there to be a four person all town neighbourhood actually @_
fuck, everyone should just quit using the word mason its making me confused
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(http://puu.sh/1Y44a)
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Do I look like a mason to you? I defend walls, not build them.
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How are scum town lovers bastard mod? Town get punished all the time. Silly serela.
So just to clarify both of px and rawr are claiming masons?
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...wait they aren't? :C
I thought I was discussion on how they were in the past,
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reverse was
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(http://s19.postimage.org/9lgkrkpsf/char_maizono7.png) i retract my statement that scumbuddies are in the neighborhood; it is most likely that there is only one scum in your quartet and that is our favorite lurker
(http://s19.postimage.org/gts7gv2j3/char_maizono3.png) in light of this new information i will have to reconsider my doubts on shadoweh and rekindle my embers of love for dorian instead (in other words darkoda/dorian new scumpicks)
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QUIT SAYING MASONS OR ILL PUNCH PEOPLE IN THE FACES
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Rawr the only time it was said after your last post was in reference to my joke image from Moriya Shrine Revolution, calm down and tell us who you think is scum D: (You aren't voting)
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Rawr, I propose we form a ~ * ~ Townie Voting Block ~ * ~
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I'M SHARPENING MY KNIFE KUPO
ftfy
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(http://s19.postimage.org/gv25aa4cv/char_maizono2.png) guys we should lynch darkoda, what do you think
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Rawr, I propose we form a ~ * ~ Townie Voting Block ~ * ~
i would but i dont think shadoweh is scum atm =/
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i am experiencing technical difficulties and have not been able to read
Tthis isn't related to why I've been eh the past few days this happened just now
also I'd maybe lynch Darkoda. Will think about it more when not AAAAAAAAAAA
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i would but i dont think shadoweh is scum atm =/
tell us who you think is scum D: (You aren't voting)
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Lol favorite lurker. I lurked here for a year before even signing up I'm lurker god <_<
Anyways now Serela has me questioning if PX and rawr were just being really damn silly with vague references to each other in D1 mainly because I actually trust her. Sheesh.
Back to bitching in the message board. But given that I'd rather not end up potentially lynching two town at once, for now:
##Unvote PX
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the humble Dormio
Watakushi-sama's opinion of PX is not changing.
even so I probably
Dakedo, Watashi should tabun talk about other things.
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(http://s19.postimage.org/gv25aa4cv/char_maizono2.png) kimi (you) better be hanashiteiru (talking) about hoka no (other) koto (things)
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(http://s19.postimage.org/gv25aa4cv/char_maizono2.png) kimi better be hanashiteiru about hoka no koto
you talking other things
(http://s19.postimage.org/6z12amykv/char_maizono1.png) there since i actually went and bothered to make it work, dormio now has an obligation to talk about things, in particular things related to darkoda or dorian
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Awh. Maybe you are town. At least you have the motivation part down pat. Dormio is still my waifu though.
That leaves me with a conundrum though because if I take you off this becomes my shortlist:
6. Affinity
9. Dorian
(one of Serela/Darkoda/Amra)
Yes, I still haven't given Serela a pass despite him being my most active and happy QT friend. Maybe it's because he's happy and keeps making that nice face at me. Darkoda's lack of anything is difficult to figure out at all, I really can't decide if he's the worst townie or just blank. At least Amra has made some terribly hilarious slipups in the QT that would make him being scum unbelievable.
Affinity always ends up on my short list somehow for existing <.< Maybe I should get those kittens checked.
I'm still pretty sure Dorian hasn't contributed anything real this entire game. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this is true and vote him now because none of you have any other plans.
##Vote: Dorian
We aren't lynching one of the lovers because whether or not they are town or scum is going to be obvious when we get towards LYLO. If there's a LYLO warning when we hit 8 players? Well there you go. In light of this Dormio you're going to have to adjust your tunnelvision.
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(http://s19.postimage.org/3n2rhc6tr/char_maizono5.png) not sure how strict ihnn is about this but you should probably unvote before voting dorian, like this:
##Unvote
##Vote Dorian
(http://s19.postimage.org/gv25aa4cv/char_maizono2.png) well seeing as literally everyone including darkoda himself ignored my request to lynch darkoda (except shadoweh! shadoweh gets points for that) i'm fine with lynching dorian first. i'm not too picky as long as it's someone who i think is scum
(http://s19.postimage.org/9lgkrkpsf/char_maizono7.png) p.s. shadoweh our shortlists overlap so i guess that means we're somewhat on the same wavelength `_`
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We aren't lynching one of the lovers because whether or not they are town or scum is going to be obvious when we get towards LYLO. If there's a LYLO warning when we hit 8 players? Well there you go. In light of this Dormio you're going to have to adjust your tunnelvision.
why and
And if there isn't? Naze can't we just lynch PX to be done with it?
I I
Anyway, watashi dunno, watashi guesses Darkoda's inconsistencies look pretty scummy.
I people
But watashi is more suspicious of the hito attacking Darkoda while leaving their options open.
I this
Watashi will expand on kono later.
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Don't know what to say. I think I'll do a 180 and say that I won't be pursuing PX and rawr for today given this terribly explicit mason whatever.
##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
I don't know you anymore Shadoweh. You are too floaty and you drift from one ghetto vote to another with ghetto reasoning without many past posts to back you up. Can you explain your Dorian vote a bit more?
Dormio is a good alternative vote because of his NNR drop, though I was okay with this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943901.html#msg943901). What makes me prefer Shadoweh is the sneaking feeling that I don't think scum or town had much reason to drop NNR all of a sudden as well (since it was easy to be for or against him). Perhaps it is a... nulltell? Whatever, given this game. He really needs to talk about someone else. Like Shadoweh. Or Dorian. Or whoever.
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On rereading Dorian, I think his D2 was improved after his explanation as to why he thought NNR was townier than PX. I suppose his posting was barely functional (random town reads on people, PX vote, little else of interest) but well, I would like to see what he does with his vote.
Serela is solid; the most solid I've seen him ever in like 4 years. Polaris seems rather flexible and town-thinking as well, though I don't get why he is voting for Dorian either.
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?I'm still pretty sure Dorian hasn't contributed anything real this entire game. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg945462.html#msg945462)? < Geez Shadoweh, you are really the last person I want to hear that from. I'm only too aware that my contribution wasn't that great so far but that's just silly.
Earnestly, if you are scum that tries to paint me red then stop skiving, go back, read my posts and then come back with something that is better than this lukewarm throw away accusation that lacks any sign of effort or consideration.
And if you are town then answer my one question: What make you think that PX is town?
And no, I wouldn't accept a ?because Rawr said so? as an answer cause I still remember how long it took me to convince Bard that I were town back then, and it should be clear by now that I don't believe this confirmed town nonsense. And if you say that crumbing it like he did comes from a town mind set, then could you tell me where I can get one, cause preventing a lynch, that wasn't even likely to happen, by putting up a ?hey scum, two kills for the price of one? flag is beyond my understanding.
@Affinity: I think ?changing? isn't the right word, I was questioning my day one read on him so I went with PX as first priority to see if my day two read would come to a different conclusion on him, that's all.
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Card Tournament Votecount
Affinity: (0)
Polaris: (0)
Darkoda: (0)
Dorian: Shadoweh, Polaris (2)
Dormio: Serela (1)
PX: Dormio, Dorian (2)
rawr: (0)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: PX, Affinity (2)
Not voting: Darkoda, rawr, SasAmra-san
With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
You have 29.5 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130207T18&p0=911&msg=End+of+D3) hours remaining.
SasAmra-san has been prodded!
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oops.
I suppose the mindset right now would be 'okay we can kill two at once later, let's handle the more important things first'. it took us this long to realize what they were, so it wasn't exactly the way you put it Dorian. Now they're probably a big target since they've confirmed it, unless they have some other roles?
in any case I'm sketchier about Darkoda because of the QT than I am Dorian, so let's go.
##Vote Darkoda
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Dorian: I see you typing words but I don't see you unvoting PX.
Affinity: I don't have anything better then 'something has felt off from the start' unfortunately. I will possibly be able to elaborate later but I'm not going to be home again for a few hours. Do you think lynching the mason lovers is helpful?
Verdict on computer: Piece of shit. So I bought a new one while that thing is getting wiped. You have no idea how happy I am that it works.
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(http://s19.postimage.org/myf4gg58v/char_maizono10.png) i'm glad affinity and dorian both decided to say absolutely nothing about darkoda `_`
(http://s19.postimage.org/xt15w4dqn/char_maizono4.png) also wow has serela really played mafia for 4 years
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It'll have been 3 years in april that I've /inned or on an occasion co-modded for every single game save for the ones where I was Lynched (which was like 3~6 months, I don't remember)
You played in a game only a couple months after I started!
But I guess it's a lot different because you've only played in a few since then.
You're a lot better then back then, Polly! :3 Just being older makes things easier. (When we're talking in before-adult terms of age, that is.)
I've kind of been all over and am still trying to figure things out all the way. :T But, I'm getting somewhere...! After all, my play this game isn't all weird and serela-ey, right? :D
Oh, wait, we're playing a game, not having cool sentimental talk about your feelings time. Okay lesse. I... I don't have much to add, apart from that Dormio and Dorian need to move their votes already.
The fact that Dorian posted pretty recently and didn't do so doesn't help my opinion of him :T It's hard for me to sympathize with his continued rejection of the confirmed-to-eachother lovers claim with how it's played out in this situation. It'd be so dumb for scum to do it because if PX or Rawr got lynched and flipped scum at any point in the game, the other would likely get lynched immediately afterwords due to the large amount of scrutiny that would result on them. The danger that was present at the time it was softclaimed was so insignificant that it'd be a suicidal scum move with how terrible the repercussions are. It might not have been ideal for town either but it did nip a very possible growing rawr wagon in the bud, and I don't think scum would be jumping to nk rawr or PX even if they DID think it meant lovers, which would, in any case, be a pretty big jumping-to-conclusion.
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?I'm still pretty sure Dorian hasn't contributed anything real this entire game. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg945462.html#msg945462)? < Geez Shadoweh, you are really the last person I want to hear that from. I'm only too aware that my contribution wasn't that great so far but that's just silly.
Saying that I look horrible is a good way to mask your own dirt. It doesn't make your flailing any less obvious. Why are you voting PX.
Earnestly, if you are scum that tries to paint me red then stop skiving, go back, read my posts and then come back with something that is better than this lukewarm throw away accusation that lacks any sign of effort or consideration.
You mean if I'm town right? Frudean slips from the scummy Herr Dorian.
And if you are town then answer my one question: What make you think that PX is town?
Besides that I've thought he was town the entire game, the crux of my argument is that it doesn't matter. The issue will become obvious tomorrow if they're both still alive. There is no reason to deal with the WIFOM today when tomorrow we will be able to know.
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I've kind of been all over and am still trying to figure things out all the way. :T But, I'm getting somewhere...! After all, my play this game isn't all weird and serela-ey, right? :D
Maybe that's why I keep calling you scum >.>
Serela it's not Day 5 yet, come lynch Dorian instead. Hey, maybe IHNN secretly picked the scum team as a joke, Dorian Dormio Darkoda wouldn't that be hilarious? (I'm kidding I still wuv you Dormu)
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(http://s19.postimage.org/8uj981y1b/char_maizono8.png) surprise surprise, it's actually less than 24 hours to deadline. personally i think consolidation of votes should start now, so if we can get on that.
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I agree. And not on me. Tally ho! Polaris have I complimented you lately on how much creepier you make those Maizono faces look and seem like a crazy person?
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(http://s19.postimage.org/8uj981y1b/char_maizono8.png) (http://s19.postimage.org/8uj981y1b/char_maizono8.png) (http://s19.postimage.org/8uj981y1b/char_maizono8.png)
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Honestly, I believe scum are split up on the wagons, so one scum amongst Dorian, Affinity, and Dormio, one scum amongst Serela, Polaris, Shadoweh, and one scum somewhere. With a 4 man neighbourhood, there is definitely a medium-high chance of at least one scum in there. I'd say definitely only one, but then Pony Mafia :/
General consensus seems to be Darkoda, so I shall move off Shadoweh.
##Unvote
Vote: Dormio
Can we agree on lynching Dormio?
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Well one way or another, next day's going to be pretty interesting.
There is no chance in hell that I'll be able to log in before tomorrow night so when all else fails, default to original suspicion.
##Vote: Dormio
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Can we agree on lynching Dormio?
no
Ya.
anyway your one and only Dormio
Tonikaku. Watakushi-sama still sees PX as the best choice.
the lovely Dormio
Watakushi-sama still isn't really seeing scum!Shadoweh.
your highness thoughts
Watakushi-sama is having second kansou about Serela though.
hard
Whatever. Thinking is too muzukashii.
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(http://s19.postimage.org/p87u4y3kf/char_maizono6.png) le sigh
(http://s19.postimage.org/3n2rhc6tr/char_maizono5.png) i have to go to bed and i'm disappointed that nobody else voted dorian but maybe we can still get a wagon on him going in the hours we have left *casually glares at px, rawr, serela, amra, dormio* and also lynching darkoda is fine, too *casually glares at everyone mentioned except amra*
(http://s19.postimage.org/5er4yi0sv/char_maizono15.png) you guys leave me no choice but to phonepost at school in order to get something else in before deadline although i really didn't want to have to resort to that because it means i can't use my maizonofaces
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Honestly, I believe scum are split up on the wagons, so one scum amongst Dorian, Affinity, and Dormio, one scum amongst Serela, Polaris, Shadoweh, and one scum somewhere. With a 4 man neighbourhood, there is definitely a medium-high chance of at least one scum in there. I'd say definitely only one, but then Pony Mafia :/
General consensus seems to be Darkoda, so I shall move off Shadoweh.
##Unvote
Vote: Dormio
Can we agree on lynching Dormio?
Absolutely not. Vote Darkoda or Dorian, but not Dormio, because he is the greatest. Darkoda listen to your LEADER and vote for my scumpick damnit. Dormio we aren't lynching PX so come vote Dorian.
It would be weird for more then one just because it would mean both Serela and Darkoda I guess?
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Dorian: I see you typing words but I don't see you unvoting PX. ...
Well, maybe it has something to do with the fact that I haven't seen any reason to do so.
Saying that I look horrible is a good way to mask your own dirt. It doesn't make your flailing any less obvious. Why are you voting PX.
Is that a confession? Scum accusing other to use there own modus operandi is quite a common thing. By the way, I vote PX cause I think he is still the player who's most likely to flip scum, that's were a town vote belongs, isn't it?
You mean if I'm town right? Frudean slips from the scummy Herr Dorian.
No, I didn't. It's Scum that needs to find reason to convince other, town starts with convincing them self so they have the reason already. It's a obvious leading question, still a nice try Fr?ulein Shadoweh.
Besides that I've thought he was town the entire game, the crux of my argument is that it doesn't matter. The issue will become obvious tomorrow if they're both still alive. There is no reason to deal with the WIFOM today when tomorrow we will be able to know.
Stop telling me what I already know, I have seen you calling him town all the time, what I want to know is why you still think that he's town.
But you have a point there, honestly that's the first reasonable line about the Lover/Masons that I have seen so far. ##Unvote
It's would be actually amusing to see how much your subjects seem to ?care? about your opinion but I really don't like that outcome of this, and it even forces me to go against my own principles.
##Vote: Darkoda
Not me over Dormio.
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Getting ready for work gotta hurry
WILL be back before deadline actually this time, if you still haven't hammered when there's only an hour left of time
##unvote Dormio ##Vote Dorian
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Ipsen's Votecount
Affinity: (0)
Polaris: (0)
Darkoda: Dorian (1)
Dorian: Shadoweh, Polaris, Serela (3) [L-3]
Dormio: PX, Darkoda (2)
PX: Dormio (1)
rawr: (0)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: Affinity (1)
Not voting: rawr, SasAmra-san
With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
You have 8 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130207T18&p0=911&msg=End+of+D3) hours remaining.
Affinity has been prodded! 3rd time this game I see if someone needs a prod and then they post in the span of time between sending the prod and posting that I prodded in thread.
rawr has been prodded!
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##Unvote
... whatever. Both Dormio and Dorian are similar for voting PX through a mason lover claim, but I'd prefer a Dormio lynch to a Dorian one; at least Dorian has a bit more content today than Dormio for one in responding against Shadoweh criticism. Dormio has been promising more but not giving anything today except px px. I also like Dorian's D2 more than Dormio's. So yeah.
##Vote: Dormio
For all the lame 'what do you think about Darkoda', I don't think anything because he hasn't done anything; neither has he showed townie-looking stuff like Amra has. Good alternative lynch, but there are better people to pick on; those making a presence but not really saying anything with their votes or content.
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.Is that a confession? Scum accusing other to use there own modus operandi is quite a common thing. By the way, I vote PX cause I think he is still the player who's most likely to flip scum, that's were a town vote belongs, isn't it?
I'm accusing you of being the scum doing that you realize. And I find it funny you want me to say something besides him being town because he's town but your argument is he's scum because he's scum :) You know, you should claim, when I put my mind to being convincing votes appear out of nowhere. I said the thing about the lover/masons earlier when you weren't reading my posts and voting me.
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I don't see why you guys don't want to vote Dormio. All I've seen from him are Vote: PX and nothing else. And you guys aren't even providing reasons why he's town. The best I've seen is "He has the same reads as me", which is silly and not a concrete reason for someone to be town. Scum could easily provide fake reads by just copying someone's post.
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Looking at the timer this is actually more disorganized then I thought. It's 2 hours till deadline and we have no claims from either of them. It has nothing to do with reads and alot to do with how Dormio Dormio is. I would prefer not to have to, but unless people get in here he'll be the only thing viable. >:T GET IN HERE.
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what you and now
And nani has kimi done? Rawr is town to vote NNR, until NNR died so ima it's vote Dormio.
I I
Will vote Dorian as not watashi over watashi if need be.
I like
Watashi would not suki to claim if possible.
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Oh wait I switched to Dorian because I thought Dormio had no real support for being lynched? And then when I get back I see that actually Dorian and Dormio were both 2 votes (without me) and the leading wagons.
Oh whatever they're both scummy+the leading wagons anyway. :T Would like to see their claims.
Wait wasn't I only supposed to get back an hour-ish before deadline and that votecou- DUDE WHAT THE FUCK THERE IS AN HOUR AND 20 MINUTES LEFT AND THE LEADING WAGON(S) ARE L-3 STILL?
##Unvote ##Vote Dormio
We are not friggin no lynching when lover deaths overnight would make it lylo tomorrow even without a lynch today >_> No lynching is horrible -anyway-, outside of like, mylo.
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##Unvote
##Vote Dorian
Garnet, Tracker.
N1: PX - Nobody
N2: BT - BT
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N2: BT - BT
...I don't even
Also this sets Dormio/Dorian at a tie if my vote is considered for being on either. Dorian are you here to claim
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The doctor targetted themselves and died? >_>
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The main problem here being that Rawr isn't answering his prod and Amra seems to be a little absent too, so we're kind of having problems with vote moval. And the only people here are people voting for Dormio >_> I'M SURE THAT IS AN INDICATOR OF HIS SCUMINESS. REALLY.
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IHNN I keep getting confused while trying to mentally sort who is voting who (because at this point it's practically going to be "Lynching X because Y is impossible") and I'm too busy/lazy to make a votecount myself
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Volcanic Votecount
Affinity: (0)
Polaris: (0)
Darkoda: Dorian (1)
Dorian: Shadoweh, Polaris, Dormio (3) [L-3]
Dormio: PX, Darkoda, Affinity, Serela (4) [L-2]
PX: (0)
rawr: (0)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: (0)
Not voting: rawr, SasAmra-san
Dormio is at L-2!
Dorian is at L-3!
With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
You have 47 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130207T18&p0=911&msg=End+of+D3) minutes remaining.
IHNN I keep getting confused while trying to mentally sort who is voting who (because at this point it's practically going to be "Lynching X because Y is impossible") and I'm too busy/lazy to make a votecount myself
I made the votecount as soon as I got back from class so >____________<
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Much appreciated!
If no one other then me/shadoweh/dormio is here/shows up soon though we can't lynch -anyone- >_>;; Unless Dormio voted himself, but, uh.
Please post, at the least, a little note that you're here, if you are, anyone else.
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25 minutes left
I am -not- happy with the activity level today >_>
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Dormio are you a good enough hubby to hammer yourself for me?
no lynching would be pretty bad because the lovers would still be a ?
Me either but whatcha gonna do beyond prodding everyone >_>
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;~;
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Honk
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PX being here still means the only option is Dormio deciding to hammer himself :/
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15 minutes
no majority=no lynch
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Well someone betta show up if they don't want to be blamed for this. I would rather no lynch then lynch my waifu, just saying.
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nyansuka............
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nyandarou........
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lol actually I just realized Dormio really did claim my waifu. DORMIO COME WITH ME FOR ADVENTURE AND WE WILL ESCAPE THESE DRIVELING NPC'S AND SECOND RATE CHARACTERS TOGETHER!
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I WANT YOU
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/1359913560814_zps030560cd.png) I WANT YOU
I WANT YOU
I WANT YOU (http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/1359919511983_zps9682aa44.png)
I NEED YOU
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/1359913560814_zps030560cd.png) I NEED YOU
I NEED YOU
I NEED YOU (http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/1359919511983_zps9682aa44.png)
I LOVE YOU
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/1359913560814_zps030560cd.png) I LOVE YOU
I LOVE YOU
I LOVE YOU (http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/1359919511983_zps9682aa44.png)
Inside my head
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/1359913560814_zps030560cd.png) atama no naka
Music keeps playing
GANGAN natteru MUSIC(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/1359919511983_zps9682aa44.png)
HEAVY ROTATION (http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/1359922085478_zpse308a2f0.png)
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HAMMER ON NO-LYNCH-TAN
YOU JERKS
No one dies, it is now Night 3. 24 hours (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130208T18&p0=911&msg=End+of+N3) to send in any night actions.
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DON'T
FUCKING
BULLY
NO LYNCH-TAN
>:|
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The night was not as kind as the day.
rawr, playing Adelbert Steiner, Town Lover used the Blood Sword on a Whale Zombie!
PX, playing THE FEARED GENERAL BEATRIX WHO ONCE KILLED ONE HUNDRED KNIGHTS SINGLE-HANDEDLY, CAPTAIN OF THE ALEXANDRIA GUARD and Town Lover has suicided got the wrong end of a Climhazzard!
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
You have 72 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130211T18&p0=911&msg=End+of+D4) hours remaining.
It is now MYLO
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Oh dear. They're dead. That's an issue.
I'm going to go out on a limb and throw suspicion at everyone else in my QT, though I'm not particularly sure on how to word it. Serela and Shadoweh are apparently acting super OOC, which if I believe it, is a pretty big tell, and Darkoda sort of ignored the QT for the longest while. I sense a scum here but I'm not entirely sure who it is.
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guys
I'm scared
you guys scare me.
alleviate my concerns because I'm scared.
:C
This is not how you react to us all claiming in the QT overnight Sas-amra
(I checked with IHNN and no this will not get me modkilled)
Also, yeah, massclaim, uh.
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I'd say I was acting alot more Shadoweh yesterday really. I am so beyond mad at people. We wasted a lynch. Dormio, results.
I am the main character and leader of everything. You will all kiss my monkey butt in worship. Also I'm a part of the Tantalus Theater Troop and have definitely been enjoying my QT more then you guys.
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Marcus, Tantalus Theatre Troop, no other notable abilities, etc.
Shadoweh and Darkoda claimed about the same last night.
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N3: Affinity -> Rawr
the benevolent Dormio head
Watakushi-sama wants to see Affinity's atama rolling.
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Welp.
Anyone got any objections? I'm expecting Affinity to have one if nothing else >_>
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I guess that might be a little bit of an overreaction. He could realistically be a P-no not really, I don't see why a PR would target Rawr last night >_> Dormio truthing and Affinity being town seems way too unlikely. (Dormio being scum, on the other hand...)
Bluhhhh.
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Why does the supposed scum-catching PR have to be really scummy looking ;_;
Affinity/Dorian/Polly/Sas-amra please tell me you're a cop.
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Yeah I bet he was a flower vendor who just wanted to give him a hug. Why did you pick Affinity, Dormio? This is pretty much a 1 vs 1 now.
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the wise Dormio
Because watakushi-sama felt like it.
reason
No particular riyuu other than a gut feeling.
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I think Dormio targetting Affinity isn't weird because it's Affinity.
Affinity is scary.
Plus the scum probably wouldn't send an explicitly scummy member (e.g. dorian) to make the kill anyway.
Said it in here because I don't want to give Dormio excuses.
from neighbor qt me a few seconds ago but then dormio posted
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STOP QUOTING OUR SECRET PLAYHOUSE EVERYWHERE SERELA
YOU AR MAKING ME NAKED AAAAAA
Okay, and why did you pick your first two choices?
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the kind Dormio and
Because watakushi-sama was curious about BT. To PX was scum.
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I like how PX was confirmed town actually playing and people still treated him like scum :V
I supose I'm more curious about the why nots.
Why not Affinity earlier?
Why not Darkoda? Why not Dorian who I would have been so happy if you told me he NK'd someone?
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(http://s19.postimage.org/gts7gv2j3/char_maizono3.png) soooooo what do we do now, do we just lynch the scum to death and win the game
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Why not Darkoda?
the jealous Dormio
Watakushi-sama believes in the newbs.
Why not Dorian who I would have been so happy if you told me he NK'd someone?
the spiteful Dormio feel good
Watakushi-sama didn't really kibun like it. Affinity seemed ii.
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I think Affinity over Dorian makes sense because scum probably would be less likely to send a really scummy looking team member when they know there's a tracker, but Dormio himself didn't make that, so
At this point basically just waiting on the rest of the claims to hope they make the decision a little easier. I can't find Dormio to be the most trustworthy right now :T
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I can't find Dormio to be the most trustworthy right now :T
( ͡? ͜ʖ ͡?)
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Cinna, Tantalus theater troupe, no notable powers )ry.
I think our choice boils down to Darkoda, Dorian, or Affinity. Will try to comment later when I have words.
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I think our choice boils down to Darkoda, Dorian, and Affinity.
(http://s19.postimage.org/6z12amykv/char_maizono1.png) fixed
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Polly claim
Sasamra unless there's more claim shenanigans it's pretty much Dormio or Affinity
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(http://s19.postimage.org/gv25aa4cv/char_maizono2.png) *flips long maizono hair in serela's face* iunno if i claim then it takes all the fun away from the game, so i'll hold off for now. it's not like my role is that high priority anyway
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iunno if i claim then it takes all the fun away from the game
EXCUSE ME NOW I WANT YOU TO CLAIM EVEN MORE D:
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Polly, if it helps, all we're doing is waiting for people's claims right now >_> Nothing else will happen until we hear from Dorian/Affinity or you claim.
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There's a possibility of losing, so claim now or never, is what Serela is saying :V If you're bp lie about it or something I don't care
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(http://s19.postimage.org/p87u4y3kf/char_maizono6.png) ok then i'll just say that i'm vanilla townie
(http://s19.postimage.org/gv25aa4cv/char_maizono2.png) *flips hair in serela's face again*
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;_;
/me flails at hair awkwardly
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Wow red text is painful on that shade of blue.
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(http://s19.postimage.org/gv25aa4cv/char_maizono2.png) ok well i'm just going to put a vote down now, since there won't be a risk of quicklynch with one vote down
##Unvote
##Vote Affinity
(http://s19.postimage.org/6z12amykv/char_maizono1.png) may as well lynch affinity first
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I'm going to wait for Affinity to show up and speak before
lynching Dorian anyways
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(http://s19.postimage.org/9lgkrkpsf/char_maizono7.png) man i'm so bored
(http://s19.postimage.org/gts7gv2j3/char_maizono3.png) maybe the scum think that if they stall posting for long enough we're not going to get around to lynching them?
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It's more likely that Dorian and Affinity aren't here due to time zones. Also that Darkoda needs more kicks in the butt =.=
AT LEAST RAWR IS DEAD SO WE GOT RID OF ONE LURKER :mad:
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Lani, Town Tracker, due to my skill at being a bounty hunter.
N1: Targeted Conq -> no result
N2: Targeted Dorian -> no result
N3: Targeted Shadoweh -> no result
##Vote: Dormio
Was not around to counterclaim Dormio yesterday. In general targeted Conq N1 because he's a person the day game was not likely to touch, and was pretty much a gut decision. Went for Dorian N2 due to his suspiciousness D2, but lack of result made me reluctant to go after him over Dormio on D3. Decided not to go after PX because I thought the day game and role shens would sort him out soon enough.
In general Dormio's claim doesn't make any sense; why did he keep having PX as his only scumread even though he already had no result on him on N1? You would expect a townie to think twice and expand his range beyond PX on D2 and D3 in that case, but his suspicions don't fit. His claim merely makes his day game look worse.
In view of this, I would think the scumteam to be Serela/Dormio/Darkoda or something like that, though any of my three results may just be me being unlucky. But yeah 1v1, Dormio is scum, and the first priority.
Sporadic internet access lately by the way, and Chinese New Year has arrived, so many not be around much the next few days.
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(・ー・)
##Vote Affinity
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(http://puu.sh/1ZE99)
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Man something's wrong when Dormio seems to the most trustworthy.
Now either Dormio or Affinity are obviously lying. Question is who.
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Well I was not expecting you to try and counterclaim him. I like how you avoided tracking Dormio despite you having a scum read on him forever. And that after yesterday you tracked me of all people after I CLAIMED MY NEIGHBOUR POWERS. You didn't bother giving a reason to target me last night either. >_>
##Vote: Affinity
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Affinity, if that's your real power why didn't you track either rawr or PX at any point since you were after them since D1?
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(http://s19.postimage.org/gts7gv2j3/char_maizono3.png) i'm more interested in why affinity didn't track dormio n3 if he knew that dormio was scum by the time dormio claimed on d3
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Polaris: That isn't really a question. There's no reason to track someone you know is confirmed scum, they're already scum to you.
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(http://s19.postimage.org/6z12amykv/char_maizono1.png) that is to say i'm not all that interested because the reason behind it is obvious
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(http://s19.postimage.org/gts7gv2j3/char_maizono3.png) oh well i guess i never thought about it that way ?_? but still.
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the wonderful Dormio now
Watakushi-sama is curious about Dorian ima though.
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I dunno, I'd be suspicious either way
##Vote Affinity
will try and post stuff, honest.
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(http://s19.postimage.org/9lgkrkpsf/char_maizono7.png) well that's l-1, just thought you guys should know
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##Unvote
Okay I guess we should probably wait for Dorian to post before lynching >_>
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Votecount of the Silver Dragons
Affinity: Polaris, Dormio, SasAmra-san (3)
Polaris: (0)
Darkoda: (0)
Dorian: (0)
Dormio: Affinity (1)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: (0)
Not voting: Darkoda, Dorian, Serela, Shadoweh
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
You have 66.5 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130211T18&p0=911&msg=End+of+D4) hours remaining.
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Not voting: Dormio
##Vote Affinity
＼(゜ロ＼)
You saw nothing and on my spreadsheet the "Dor" is all I can see and I keep forgetting who's where
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he mixed you up with Dorian because you are totes the same
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he mixed you up with Dorian because you are totes the same
That's the point, we agreed on all significant matters yet he's so town that you rather go with a no-lynch than lynching him while I'm scum beyond redemption, could you explain that double standard?
Anyway, time for my claim, I'm Quina the TOWN MIMIC.
I can eat the lynch to get a one-shoot version of his ability, unfortunately do I have to decide if I use this or not at the night before the lynch happen, so I didn't had the opportunity day one.
N2 NNR > jumped
N3 No lynch = no ability
Any questions?
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@Darkoda: Already answered the question.
@Shadoweh: Why isn't it possible for neighbours to be scum? I did forget to post the reasoning on you, but weren't you like suspicious for not doing much D2?
Why call me out on not tracking Dormio, especially? I track whoever I want, and I gave the reasons for doing so.
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Unlike Dormio at least.
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That's the point, we agreed on all significant matters yet he's so town that you rather go with a no-lynch than lynching him while I'm scum beyond redemption, could you explain that double standard?
You seem to be confused. The mod is the one that mixed up you and Dormio, not me. I think dormio is tiown and you are scum. What do you think of the current situation? And that is admittedly a really cool claim, I love mimics.
@Shadoweh: Why isn't it possible for neighbours to be scum? I did forget to post the reasoning on you, but weren't you like suspicious for not doing much D2?
Why call me out on not tracking Dormio, especially? I track whoever I want, and I gave the reasons for doing so.
I don't know, was I? You sound confused about it. Neighbours can be scum but they're also not going to have a night power and not be doing the killing. I never send myself to do a man's job. :) Also your answer to why not Dormio is terrible because you didn't think about the reasons why not to do it.
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聞てください, 大声ダイヤムンド
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/1359913560814_zps030560cd.png)Daisuki da kimi ga daisuki da
Love you so, I need you so
Boku wa zenryoku de hashiru (http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/1359919511983_zps9682aa44.png)
Say the word I'll never let you go
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/1359913560814_zps030560cd.png)Daisuki da zutto daisuki da
Glad for you, I wanna make with you
Koe no kagiri sakebou(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/1359919511983_zps9682aa44.png)
Tell the world the tale of me and you
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/1359913560814_zps030560cd.png)Daisuki da kimi ga daisuki da
Love you so, I need you so
Iki ga kurushiku naru yo(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/1359919511983_zps9682aa44.png)
Don't wanna hold back like I did before
Shimatte okenai(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/1359922085478_zpse308a2f0.png)
Listen hear me, as you should know
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/1359913560814_zps030560cd.png)Oogoe DAIYAMUNDO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qbsG7iVxPk)(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/PX_Timefordeath/1359919511983_zps9682aa44.png)
SHOUTING DIAMOND
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PX go away you're dead. I'm questioning the living people. :|
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Well I did vote you on D3 so I would know best. Why I tracked you was the same as the reasons I had in that vote, plus your constant clearing of Dormio as town.
Don't see why such scum neighbours wouldn't be doing the killing at all, that's information no one should hold privy to. I planned to track Conq N1 as soon as possible because I believed he was impossible to discuss as being scummy, so I only had N2 to decide on. Decided tracking Dorian as being more important than Dormio due to gut; clearing Dormio for that and implicating me for it is certainly not good.
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@Dorian: Do you target anyone when doing such an action?
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Are you trying to convince me I'm scum or that my reasoning is wrong? You realize I'm the only one discussing voting with you right now. I would also like to know if Dorian's action targets though. It doesn't sound like it does?
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I'm trying to convince people not to lynch me obviously. Win condition and all.
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You seem to be confused. The mod is the one that mixed up you and Dormio, not me. I think dormio is tiown and you are scum. What do you think of the current situation? And that is admittedly a really cool claim, I love mimics. ...
It's actually quite a hard decision, how should I choice between two town reads that counter claim each other? Dormio is the more solid town read but ?because I felt like it? is a reason I can only guess about. Affinity gave more reason, good you were able to point out a supposed flaw in it but you were only able to do so cause he revealed is thoughts instead of hiding them behind ?feelings?.
So any further explanation from Dormios side would really help here.
On the other side, why should I bother with this pest or cholera dilemma? Even when I make the right decision now than it will still end the next day when you and your ?new buddies? quick lynch me before I even get the chance to post something.
@Affinity: No it doesn't targets anyone. I can only decide if I want to eat the lynch or not. By the way the two attempts were all I had.
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If you're town you should bother. If you don't want to bother vote yourself and we can end you now.
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Why are you in such a hurry Shadoweh? Are you lacking faith in your overall town read Dormio to provide a good reason? If Affinity is indeed scum then nothing could prove that better then the lack of a quick hammer. If I wouldn't already suspecting you then this eagerness to cut the day short would be a good reason to start.
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You just answered your own question.
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What do you mean with that?
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So any further explanation from Dormios side would really help here.
none
Nai.
the mysterious Dormio
Watakushi-sama is subject to many whims and fancies.
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Then it's ?time will tell? I guess. Then can you tell me then what you currently think about Shadoweh?
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If I were trying to cut the day short I wouldn't have unvoted. What I want out of you is an answer instead of stalling on an opinion while hiding it behind accusations at me.
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What was the question again? If you were talking about me trying to convince you that you are scum than of course not. That would be absurd.
That comment was addresses to shadoweh.
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The question is to Dorian, which is for him to pick a side in your incompatible claims instead of doing the equivalent of wait and see.
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I come in and see Affinity's claim and I'm all "Oh huh. Well with that in mind I think I'll vote Do-" and then everyone is voting Affinity instantly and I'm like "huh?"
...but if he was town I'd have to assume Dormio's scumbuddies were afk/already voting Affinity and Polly/Sas are people I think are town :/
Well I guess if he continues to not get quicklynched then >_> <_<
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Also didn't no-lynch-tan have the bad breath power?! Just look at the opening post!
Awwwwwh. I guess smelling bad isn't a special power today.
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Let me repeat the points which I find Dormio to be scummy, outside of the counterclaim.
1. Dormio claims to have no result on PX on N1. Let's say, given a three scum setup, you would think you would have one person conducting an NK, and at least one person doing some role-related stuff. Having a no result on your major scumread can and should make one question it, given the improbability of him being scum (1/3 maybe). One should try looking elsewhere at least. Yet he chases after PX as his major and only scumread nonetheless for the next two days, even after the mason/lover claim. This forms the entire bulk of his content along with some random townreads he does not act on at all. As to how anyone with a townie conscience, no matter how lazy or apathetic can act like this is beyond me.
2. Dormio has mostly avoided commenting on the major disputes and decisions for each day, at best giving unexplained town reads (like that on NNR) His only two meaningful scum stances were that on ActionDan at the beginning of D1 (which he initiated), and on PX throughout the entire game, even when he had a no result on him N1 and when PX and rawr claimed lover masons. Yes he voted Zakeri and Dorian, but the first was due to a meaningless observation that Zakeri had little content and the latter was a not me over me.
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The votes on me not by Dormio are currently unexplained; not borne out of any meaningful comparison between claims or assessment of past history, but rather kneejerk reactions, probably based on chronology. Shadoweh is a little better, but why she posits such specific demands on me while discounting Dormio's gut choices is beyond me. Her point about scum neighbours most likely not conducting the kill due or having a role is fallacious, the Dormio nonsense myopic (unlike Dormio I have more than one scumread). In general I'm wary of this preferential treatment, and would ask to everyone to explain or change their votes, with the help of, you know, actual reasons.
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though any of my three results may just be me being unlucky.
Having a no result on your major scumread can and should make one question it
who the whimsical Dormio
Dare is saying that it didn't? Watakushi-sama simply decided that PX was scum anyway.
I you everyone you I what you now
Watashi also has a question to ask. Didn't kimi tell minna-san that kimi liked watashi's thoughts about PX? Nani does kimi think about them ima?
this you the innocent Dormio
In fact, let's take kore further. Isn't kimi's opinion of PX far more suspicious than watakushi-sama's?
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Affinity has been at L-2, probably without more then one scum on his wagon as I realllly doubt Polly/Sas-amra are, for like 16 hours. Affinity came back and talked more and no one except Dormio seems to feel like responding, either. I'unno, it seems like this is kind of said and done >_>
16 hours without getting quicklynched is kind of incriminating plus this is getting really boring and I doubt all these people will get off Affinity anyway.
##Vote Affinity
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Watakushi-sama tunnelled, dakara what?
you I the detective
As kimi that found watashi's sudden drop of NNR suspicious, watakushi-sama finds the same in regards to Affinity's PX drop.
why someone
Naze is a simple role claim good enough for dare that was paranoid about tracker results?
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I everyone I days
In addition, watashi doesn't know about minna-san, but watashi gets the impression that Affinity has been leaving himself too many options over the past few bi.
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18* hours, because I can't count.
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Watashi also has a question to ask. Didn't kimi tell minna-san that kimi liked watashi's thoughts about PX?
Not after your claim where you got no results on PX obviously, since that is my major point against you. The fortune teller tells you that you have merely 1/3 chance that some card contains your destiny and yet you take it and hoard it so greedily, apart from all the other cards you could pick! Any self-reflection you did over PX obviously didn't transfer well to the topic imo.
As kimi that found watashi's sudden drop of NNR suspicious, watakushi-sama finds the same in regards to Affinity's PX drop.
Previously people were entertaining themselves with the 'hidden connections' between PX and rawr, which I did not entertain in my assessment of him. A mason and lover claim was too explicit; it implied that rawr and PX were scum together if PX was scum which I was not ready to believe. This is regardless of PX's content. I gave my reasons you did not.
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Not only is Serela's vote on me terrible, it is stupid. Taking his townreads to be stronger than his scumreads (Dormio) as his first proposition and therefore lynching me out of boredom is laughable, and in fact hard to stomach. I don't feel like any of the votes on me are based on any solid grounding. Life is tough.
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It's not as if I didn't want you lynched anyway. I do think Dormio is a little scummier but you're scummy as well, so if everyone's going to ##Vote Affinity then ah well, it's not like I have anything enlightening to say to change their minds >_> If they do based on what you've said, that's great, but it's been a long time and no one other then Dormio has responded, so my hope on that level is ~*~incredibly low~*~.
Plus when you go for fricken ever without getting quicklynched, uuuuuh. I'm pretty much positive Sas-amra is town (and everyone else has pretty much agreed so she's not getting lynched anytime soon) and Polly is pretty town and similarly very unlikely to get lynched because only Shadoweh thinks she's bad iirc. If they're scum, we've probably already lost anyway. And if they're town, then you not being dead right now looks reaaaaally bad on you.
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EBWOP
If they do based on what you've said, that's great,
in light of remembering that my second paragraph exists, yeah, this is a Not ACtually What I think
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As I said, relying on your townreads more than the strength of your scumreads; while having a defeatist attitude regarding their alignment instead of relying on good old scumhunting. You have not even given an opinion on how I am scummy in the preceding posts, and yet you state that nonchalantly; don't you seem a little strange?
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while having a defeatist attitude regarding their alignment instead of relying on good old scumhunting.
Uh, I'm really confident they're town, how is that defeatist? I mean, it's possible to paint my logic in that light, but it's also, as said, just painting it that way>_>
Isn't having townreads a form of scumhunting, anyway?
I don't see much point in continuing to debate this, in any case. In lylo, stuff often comes down to arguably "lame" logic like this (Ahaha that vanilla mafia were we turbolynched on the last 2~3 days in a row and won) but I think it's pretty solid all the same.
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On one hand Affinity's reasons for not simply tracking any of the people he claimed suspicions on sound iffy to me.
On the other I don't know if that's just Mafia meta there =_=
Anyways why is relying on who you think is town a bad thing?
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Votecount of Memoria
Affinity: Polaris, Dormio, SasAmra-san, Serela (4) [L-1]
Polaris: (0)
Darkoda: (0)
Dorian: (0)
Dormio: Affinity (1)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: (0)
Not voting: Darkoda, Dorian, Shadoweh
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
You have 46 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130211T18&p0=911&msg=End+of+D4) hours remaining.
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@Darkoda:
It's best to rely on who is scum and vote them accordingly. I did track Dorian, who I found suspicious, so your thing doesn't hold much water. I gave reasons for why I did not go for PX or Dormio. You don't seem to be getting the full story of this thing.
@Serela:
'if they are scum no one is going to lynch them and we are going to lose boohoohoo. therefore lets lynch affinity' -> defeatist.
Also townreads suck, they give one a good guideline as to what to choose, but no one should be cleared from suspicion except through roles because expectations are easily subverted. Scumhunting starts with scum, so if you find me scummy then relate it to how my actions are such so that I can answer you to the best of my ability, don't give the 'but amra/polly are probably town' stuff. Given that you found my claim immediately more convincing than Dormio's, I doubt the sincerity of what you are saying.
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Given that you found my claim immediately more convincing than Dormio's
the curious Dormio
Watakushi-sama wonders where Darkoda said that.
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@Serela:
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I
Hmm. Watashi thought it was directed at both of them. Oh well.
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(http://s19.postimage.org/9lgkrkpsf/char_maizono7.png) is there anything anyone wants me to do or should i just sit here
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So I'm not a person now. Woe is me.
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I'm still cool with lynching Dorian, just so people know. :)
But if he'd like to come prove me wrong that would be excellent.
Sorry Affinity, I thought you made a good defense for yourself, but counterclaiming Dormio like that is just too suspicious. :< Also you failed to recognize my townie obvtowny town townness. Don't worry, we're still pretty clueless about who your third buddy is besides Dorian.
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I'm still cool with lynching Dorian, just so people know. :)
But if he'd like to come prove me wrong that would be excellent.
That feeling is mutual Shadoweh.
I actually have to wonder why you even talk about things at all. All the ?reasons? you gave since day two can be summarized as ?because I say so? and if you don't give me a reason then I have to see if I can find one myself. Guess what I have found one, it's called scum bias!
You voted Zakeri cause you had no reason to doubt his claim, inventor or vig doesn't even matter for you here. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942862.html#msg942862)
Your day two votes are even worse, picking up a slap fight with Conq (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943401.html#msg943401) and later with Polaris (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943903.html#msg943903) just to stay away from the inevitable town lynch that was NNR but not without using you chance to cheerlead his wagon.
?... Easier to justify and easier to push in order to hide behind words like 'he deserved it'. ? NNR definitely deserves it ... (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943444.html#msg943444)? is it even possible to be more blunt then this?
?... PX is for once not being useless and *he's always townie to me as scum* I refuse to let people lynch him ... (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943615.html#msg943615)? Yes, yes it is!
What brings me to your day three, where it wasn't enough to just stay away from the lynch you actually defended him. I still have to wonder how you actually managed to defended this vote parking, prod dodging, super tunneling, low one liner contend something that was PX without giving even a single reason why he's town!
But you also needed a new target, so you picked you half forgotten ED1 vote (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg942246.html#msg942246) to get Polaris on your side. You were ?soooooooo sure?, in fact so sure that you dropped me and never mentioned me again till day three after two good looking posts. You even called this a "serious attempt to get me lynched (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14192.msg943903.html#msg943903)" to prove that we aren't buddies. Of course, every ED1 case implies a serious intention to lynch, particularly if you are so sure [/sarcasm].
You can tell me that after the Lone Star Security Officer that arrested you informed you about your rights and gave you your free phone call to get a lawyer. Also, don't forget your pink-plush-toaster.
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Are you seriously going to keep trying to get through this day while never differentiating between the lynches? I am not on the menu. Affinity or Dormio. This is not rocket science.
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Don't worry, we're still pretty clueless about who your third buddy is besides Dorian.
(http://s19.postimage.org/gv25aa4cv/char_maizono2.png) my intuition says it's darkoda
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(http://s19.postimage.org/xt15w4dqn/char_maizono4.png) i just realized intuition is just a more sophisticated term for gut
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Are you seriously going to keep trying to get through this day while never differentiating between the lynches? I am not on the menu. Affinity or Dormio. This is not rocket science.
Are you seriously going to hand wave my case away? Fine, I'll go with the more solid town read here! As if you guys haven't made the decision already irrevocable, so I take the liberty to end this bloody waste of time right now.
##Vote: Affinity
Satisfied?
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End of Day 4 Votecount
Affinity: Polaris, Dormio, SasAmra-san, Serela, Dorian (5)
Polaris: (0)
Darkoda: (0)
Dorian: (0)
Dormio: Affinity (1)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Shadoweh: (0)
Not voting: Darkoda, Shadoweh
Affinity, playing Lani, Town Watcher has been lynched. Scum win!
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Actually no.
He was playing Kuja, Scum Watcher and Sore Loser.
Every night you may choose one player to watch, learning who, if anyone, targeted them last night.
Being a sore loser, when killed you cast Ultima in at any one person on your wagon when you were lynched, killing them instantly. However, being a good sport you will not do this if it would result in a a win before the next day starts (i.e. LYLO or MYLO)
Night 4, 24 hours (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130210T23&p0=911&msg=End+of+N4), go.
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Hey look now it's Day 5
Shadoweh, playing Zidane Tribal, Town Tantalus Member fought Ark without equipping Clear Headed!
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
You have 72 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130213T235959&p0=911&msg=End+of+D5) hours remaining.
Still MYLO
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(http://s19.postimage.org/gts7gv2j3/char_maizono3.png) so who do you think we should lynch today
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(http://s19.postimage.org/6z12amykv/char_maizono1.png) oh yeah dormio's tracker results
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##Vote Dorian
N4: Dorian -> Shadoweh
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let's quote the dead person from our handy dandy qt
Day 3
Darkoda: Dorian (1)
Dorian: Shadoweh, Polaris, Dormio (3) [L-3]
Dormio: PX, Darkoda, Affinity, Serela (4) [L-2]
Not voting: rawr, SasAmra-san
I think dorian/darkoda is the scumteam and this votecount super encourages this conclusion
Considering I think the scumteam is Dorian/Darkoda, that d3 analysis is preeeeetty... yeah
it's very pretty
anyway
more shadoweh
Zakeri wagon: last minute construct. I find it unlikely Conq is scum just because he was there for it. Also I like Polaris's play now that I've read it over. I think.
both BT and Dan died screaming Dorian and Affinity's names and trying to get people off of PX. (Dormio and NNR's too but they're both going to be dead so) Dorian should have died should be dead dead dead dead NO ONE'S GONNA STOP ME NOW AHAHAHAHAHAAH
And that just leaves me with you all. Yes, you know I'm coming for one of you. Whatcha gonna do about it? You can't kill me with Dormio poking around.
so yeahhhh.
Dorian lynch go?
Shadoweh nk kinda fits with that too since she probably would've thrown Dorian off a cliff today and it would have been obvious. But nk speculation is a thing, so. Shadoweh was kind of the last person still making cases and helping herd stuff around too but.
Waiting on Dormio/Dorian for obvious reasons etc
cut by rofl
even easier!
##Vote Dorian
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##Vote Dorian
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(http://s19.postimage.org/gts7gv2j3/char_maizono3.png) i'm actually surprised shadoweh was the nk considering powerrole!dormio but oh well
##Vote Dorian
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pretty obvious what must be done.
##Vote Dormio
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##Unvote Dormio
##Vote Dorian
oops dormio was trolling me in teamspeak that's why.
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and TURBO HAMMER
Dorian: Dormio, Serela, Polaris, Amra (4) LYNCH
Dorian has been lynched. He was playing Quina Quen, Town Mimic. Scum win again!
No screw this, he was playing Quina Quen, Scum 2-shot Mimic.
Twice over the course of the game you can gain 'eat' the lynched player to gain their ability. This must be decided by 24 hours into the day.
Night 5, 24 hours or until I get all actions.
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Day 6.
Dormio, playing Garnet til Alexandros XVII, Town Tracker got the wrong end of a Zantetsuken overnight!
4 alive, 3 to lynch,
72 hours (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130214T20&p0=911&msg=End+of+D6), no items, Final Destination, MYLO.
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So, uh. If anyone has worse memory then me, I'll just reinstate that it's incredibly unlikely I'm voting Polly or Sas-amra >_>
There is one thing, that Polly is the only one to claim total vanilla in the entire game (including flipped people), which is kind of weird, but he's not an SK (unless he+conq are REALLY WEIRD) and survivors are sure why not. So long as we don't lynch the scum and then CULT WINS GAME OVER OH GOD.
I'm just being silly here and babbling, though. I don't have much of anything else to say. I have strong town reads on Polly/Sas and have thought Darkoda is pretty scummy since D3. :T Would have been scary if Dormio didn't get nk'd because then I'd have to actually worry whether he was gambitting scum or not.
notreallyanedit:OH WAIT DAN FLIPPED VANILLA TOWN OH YEAH nevermind about Polly!fear. rofl. I forgot he was in this game, kinda.
Not just automatically voting Darkoda because everyone should talk first, obviously.
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the dead Dormio goodbye
Watakushi-sama will say sayonara~
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(http://s19.postimage.org/p87u4y3kf/char_maizono6.png) meh
##Vote: Darkoda
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(http://s19.postimage.org/9lgkrkpsf/char_maizono7.png) serela while you're online can you say the word "wind" for me
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POLLY STOP SCARING ME D:
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(http://s19.postimage.org/gv25aa4cv/char_maizono2.png) it's ok i won't hurt anyone, i promise
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oh my god I don't have the heart for this
sas-amra get in here I'm not going to be able to sleep if the game doesn't end in the next few hours because Polly is a jerk
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Hey, don't you think that you guys overreacted?
Good, I admit there were some boxing matches that were not exactly fair and I know that smuggling isn't really legal nor is protection racket actually nice, but to lynch me for such trivialitys?
I mean earnestly, what is just one assassination among friends?^^
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(http://s19.postimage.org/8uj981y1b/char_maizono8.png) well i can still make it work if serela uses "heart" instead, so thanks
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why on earth would you NOT vote me for not posting?
The Raging Fires Of Ten Thousand Burning Suns are quenched for nobody
serela while you're online can you say the word "wind" for me
so your thing doesn't hold much water.
oh my god I don't have the heart for this
(http://s18.postimage.org/40sz2qzvt/11_idols.png)
GO PLANET
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(http://s19.postimage.org/6z12amykv/char_maizono1.png) by the way that's not an actual day action, notice the lack of double octothorpes, but i can do this instead
##INNOCENT
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...wait what
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Also it took me this long to remember that Polly was the original Planeteer, Sana Spice.
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##INNOCENT
Polaris is now mod-confirmed town.
You may continue with your normal everyday lynching.
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Okay uh.
##Vote Darkoda
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##Vote Darkoda
I don't even know anymore.
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HAMMER
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End of
Disc 4 Day 6 Votecount
Polaris: (0)
Darkoda: Polaris, Serela, SasAmra-san (3)
SasAmra-san: (0)
Serela: (0)
Not voting: Darkoda
Darkoda has been lynched. He was playing Baku, Scum... actually wait that was Serela.
Darkoda was actually playing Blank, Town Tantalus Member.
Amra, playing Cinna, Town Tantalus Member was endgamed by Serela!
Polaris, playing Vivi Orunitia, Town Innocent Child was endgamed by Serela!
Serela, playing Baku, Scum One-Shot Strongman and Leader of the Tantalus Theater Troupe has won!
Scum win! Town lose! Serela wins a LYLO for the first time in forever, if ever!
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Me and Polly having a COMPLETELY NORMAL AND UNRELATED TO MAFIA CONVERSATION (http://pastebin.com/78FFbVs5)
Also, this is my scum QT. http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/aP8KBAEQA9i
Also, this is my neighbor QT. http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/nxpV62jFEXxM6
Also oh my god oh my god oh my god I've never won in lylo before even though I almost always get there! I AM SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW.
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Serela wins a LYLO for the first time in forever, if ever!
It was MYLO not LYLO, doesn't count.
gg
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I don't care Dormio I am having my moment! The pizza is even coming out of the oven in like 10 seconds, it is so just in time.
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Most useless character from FF9
most useless mafia player.
it makes sense!
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Graveyard: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/QjXS2jKApRsEB
Since Serela handled the other 2 QTs.
Role PMs:
You are KUJA, SCUM WATCHER and SORE LOSER along with Serela and Dorian. You may communicate with them in this quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/aP8KBAEQA9i) at any time. One night you were approached by a mysterious man who asked you if you wanted to take revenge on those who defeated you. Obviously you agreed, but you didn't expect a game to be made of it. Ah well, best let the show start! Every night you may either commit the factional kill or choose one player to watch, learning who, if anyone, targeted them last night. You may not do both the same night unless you are the last Mafia alive. Being a sore loser, when killed you cast Ultima in at any one person on your wagon when you were lynched, killing them instantly. However, being a good sport you will not do this if it would result in a a win before the next day starts (i.e. LYLO or MYLO) You win if at least one member of the Mafia is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).
Action syntax:
##Kill [player]
##Watch [player]
##ULTIMA [player]
Safeclaim:
You are LANI, TOWN WATCHER. As a bounty hunter, when you heard about the chocobo idol recently found in Madain Sari, you had to get it to sell for profit. Every night you may choose one player to watch, learning who, if anyone, targeted them last night. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Happy hunting!
You are BAKU, SCUM ONE-SHOT STRONGMAN alongside Affinity and Dorian(scumbuddies). You may communicate with them in this quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/aP8KBAEQA9i) at any time. You are also the LEADER OF THE TANTALUS THEATER TROUPE. One day you grew tired of thieving and wanted to retire, but couldn't afford to leave your crew knowing about your identity, so you dropped a line to 2 of the people known to hold a vendetta against anyone who knew you. Every night you may commit the factional kill, or use your most powerful attack in battle, the ##BWAHAHA to get a guaranteed kill on your target at night, if you can reach them. You may also communicate with your troupe, consisting of Shadoweh, Darkoda and SasAmra-san in this quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/nxpV62jFEXxM6) at any time. You win if at least one member of the Mafia is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).
Action syntax:
##Kill [player]
##BWAHAHA [player]
Safeclaim:
You are MARCUS, TOWN MEMBER OF THE TANTALUS THEATER TROUPE. Zidane told you he found a letter outlining a feast to celebrate the discovery of a Chocobo Idol. Now Tantalus has planned to steal it. You may communicate with your troupe, consisting of Shadoweh, Darkoda and SasAmra-san in this url=http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/nxpV62jFEXxM6]quicktopic[/url] at any time. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Happy hunting!
You are QUINA QUEN, SCUM TWO-SHOT MIMIC alongside Serela and Affinity. You may communicate with them in this quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/aP8KBAEQA9i) at any time. You went to Madain Sari because, like Cleyra, it had yummy sand. Many other yummy-yummies were found there due to the feast. A man approached you and asked if you'd "dispose" of some "garbage", and you agreed. Twice over the course of the game you can gain 'eat' the lynched player to gain their ability. This must be decided by 24 hours into the day. You win if at least one member of the Mafia is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).
Action syntax:
##Kill [player]
##Eat
Safeclaim:
You are Quina, TOWN MIMIC. You gain one use of the power of each lynch after their flip, but you must choose to do so the night before. You went to Madain Sari because, like Cleyra, it had yummy sand. Many other yummy-yummies were found there due to the feast. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Happy hunting!
I very much liked this role.
You are ZIDANE TRIBAL, TOWN MEMBER OF THE TANTALUS THEATER TROUPE. While wandering around Lindblum Castle you found a letter probably not meant for you outlining a feast to celebrate the discovery of a Chocobo Idol. Naturally you told Tantalus about it and now you've planned to steal it. You may communicate with your troupe, consisting of Darkoda, SasAmra-san and Serela in this quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/nxpV62jFEXxM6) at any time. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Happy hunting!
You are GARNET TIL ALEXANDROS XVII, also known as DAGGER, the TOWN TRACKER. You received an official invitation to a party to celebrate a lost treasure being recovered, which you told the castle guard about so they know you've left. Once per night you can cast Scan on another player to see who, if anyone, they targeted that night. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Happy hunting!
Action syntax:
##Track [player] or ##Scan [player]
You are EIKO CAROL, TOWN DOCTOR. You're not quite sure why everyone started coming to Madain Sari, but you don't mind the company. Something feels a little off about some of the people though. Looks like some will need your protection, whether they want it or not! Once per night you may select one player to protect from being killed that night. You will not be informed if your protection was successful. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Happy hunting!
Action syntax:
##Doc [player] or ##Protect [player]
You are ADELBERT STEINER, Captain of the Knights of Pluto and PX's TOWN LOVER. Upon the death of PX you will commit suicide. You decided to investigate the party that the Queen mentioned, and found yourself surprised at how many people you knew were there. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Happy hunting!
You are THE FEARED GENERAL BEATRIX WHO ONCE KILLED ONE HUNDRED KNIGHTS SINGLE-HANDEDLY, CAPTAIN OF THE ALEXANDRIA GUARD AND rawr's TOWN LOVER. Upon the death of rawr you will commit suicide. You decided to investigate the party that the Queen mentioned, and found yourself surprised at how many people you knew were there. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Happy hunting!
You are CID FABOOL IX, TOWN Regent of Lindblum. You are also quite the INVENTOR. You had decided to visit Eiko in Madain Sari only to find the place packed. Immediately you feel something is wrong and decide to get to the bottom of it for the good of Gaia. Each night you can choose to tinker in your workshop to try to create an offensive device, a defensive device or a strategic device to give to any other player. You only have the parts to create one of each device. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Happy hunting!
Action syntax:
##Invent [offense, defense, strategy] [player]
Offense was a nightvig, defense was a bulletproof, strategy was a roleblock.
You are MIKOTO. You left the Black Mage Village to visit the Moogles in Madain Sari only to find the place packed. Immediately you feel something is wrong and decide to get to the bottom of it for the good of Terra. Despite this being role madness, you are a VANILLA TOWNIE. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Happy hunting!
Every night however, the soul of the NK would 'pass through' Mikoto as sort of a conduit towards the Iifa Tree or something. ActionDan would gain the use of the NKed players' power, once, during the next day/night cycle only. That jerk Serela had to go kill the role before it could be used though, I would have liked to see how it played. Same for the inventor actually.
You are BLANK, TOWN MEMBER OF THE TANTALUS THEATER TROUPE. Zidane told you he found a letter outlining a feast to celebrate the discovery of a Chocobo Idol. Now Tantalus has planned to steal it. You may communicate with your troupe, consisting of SasAmra-san, Serela and Shadoweh in this quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/nxpV62jFEXxM6) at any time. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Happy hunting!
You are VIVI ORUNITIA, TOWN INNOCENT BLACK MAGE. You've been hanging out with Eiko lately and you woke up this morning to a bunch of familiar faces in Madain Sari. Something was amiss though, so you decide to investigate. At any point during the game should you feel you need to prove your innocence send the mods a PM and post "##INNOCENT" in the thread. Once seen the mod will confirm you as town. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Happy hunting!
You are CINNA, TOWN MEMBER OF THE TANTALUS THEATER TROUPE. Zidane told you he found a letter outlining a feast to celebrate the discovery of a Chocobo Idol. Now Tantalus has planned to steal it. You may communicate with your troupe, consisting of Shadoweh, Serela and Darkoda in this quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/nxpV62jFEXxM6) at any time. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Happy hunting!
You are FREYA CRESCENT, TOWN 2-SHOT COMMUTER. You went to Madain Sari while checking over Gaia again to see if you could find Fratley. You didn't find Fratley, but you did find you old traveling buddies. Something doesn't seem right though. Twice at night you can jump into the air to render yourself untargetable by night actions. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Happy hunting!
Action syntax:
##Jump / ##Commute
Night Actions:
N1:
Kuja/Affinity Watch Conqueror- no visits
Baku/Serela Kill ActionDan- SUCCESS
Garnet/Dormio Tracks PX- went nowhere
Eiko/BT Protect BT
Mikoto/ActionDan Nothing!
Freya/NNR YES, Jump/Commute/whatever
N2:
Kuja/Affinity Watch BT- Was visited by BT, Dormio
Baku/Serela Kill BT w/ BWAHAHA-SUCCESS
Quina/Dorian Eat Freya D2-Jumps N2
Garnet/Dormio Track BT- Vistied BT
Eiko/BT Protect BT- pierced
N3:
Kuja/Affinity Kills rawr-SUCCESS
Quina/Dorian Eat D3-"I NO CAN EAT"/no act N3
Garnet/Dormio Track Affinity- result, visited rawr
N4:
Quina/Dorian Kill Shadoweh
Garnet/Dormio Track Dorian-visited Shadoweh
N5:
Baku/Serela Kill Dormio
Garnet/Dormio Track Darkoda -DEAD
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Night actions/Role PMs?
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When I was walking back with my pizza I walked by the fire alarm and it went off right in my ear oh my god
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I was about to post with maizono faces but I realized the game was over and I didn't need to anymore
No regrets because I was able to ##GoPlanet :V
Serela was actually really town-looking so good job! At least I got to lynch two scum beforehand, I think it was my first time I actually did lynch scum `_`
I guess I confirmation-bias'd way too much in the end `_` although I probably wouldn't have thought Serela in the end, it was really a toss-up between Amra/Darkoda the newbies. Having the mod-confirmed town role made me not care about looking scummy as much, but I ended up looking town to everyone??? so I didn't get any good opportunity to use my role >:(
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town is a bunch of scrubs, i bet i could have called 2/3 the scumteam in my sleep
oh wait (http://puu.sh/21dPF) :smug:
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good job Serela! You were the coolest person this game regardless of alignment.
I wish I had just claimed vanilla townie and tried my best. Oh well. Darkoda needs to have a better idea of how to play mafia.
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Night actions/Role PMs?
#843.
town is a bunch of scrubs, i bet i could have called 2/3 the scumteam in my sleep
oh wait (http://puu.sh/21dPF) :smug:
This was hilarious. Actually this whole game was hilarious EXCEPT THE D3 ACTIVITY LEVEL >:(
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Having the mod-confirmed town role made me not care about looking scummy as much, but I ended up looking town to everyone??? so I didn't get any good opportunity to use my role >:(
honestly giving conq innocent child is just redundant
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Debating posting the link to my thoughts QT since it isn't exactly the nicest string of texts on the internet.
I probably won't though since people might get offended by it or something. Personally I wouldn't say it's offensive but it does throw a few choice words at a few people from the game.
I guess people who really want to read it can PM me I guess
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quick votes.
bad.
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other maizono images i never got around to using:
(http://puu.sh/1YegB)
(http://puu.sh/10fiE) <- I should've used this one when Shadoweh posted that I made Maizono look creepy but it slipped my mind and I did the three happy faces instead. darn!
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Oh my god Polly you are the best.
Me and HW had a PM happiness exchange when you replaced in.
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actually that wasn't because of polly (though it can be retroactively) i just was bored and felt like sending you a pm with 200 :toot: s
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quick votes.
bad.
Mad 'cause bad
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Mad 'cause bad
Go update monopoly
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Overall, how did I do for first time modding?
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Probably would have been better to get someone for votecounts since the earlier part of the game needed it. I can't really say anything about the setup itself but it was a fun setup!
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ggwp
dreaming about mafia
i'm so sorry, i really am :ohdear:
(http://puu.sh/1YegB)
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Also oh my god oh my god oh my god I've never won in lylo before even though I almost always get there! I AM SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW.
Magical Madness 2 as a recent example, among others i cant be bothered to dig up right now, just to deflate your victory. 8) (well played though)
also, polaris was a great impersonator
related:
[22:29:01] <Conq> did you think polaris was me the last half of the game or something :v
[22:29:11] <Hero999> Yes
[22:29:23] <Hero999> I mean I only figured out it was polaris about....5 days ago
[22:29:36] <Hero999> and only just realized the reason he was using that avatar
[22:29:54] <Hero999> because the whole time I seriously thought it you the whole damn time.
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How to get a town read as scum or ...
[08:23] <Dorian> Also: "On another side note: Based on our avatars are we now the ?Komeiji sisters scum team?, if that isn't a good omen then I don't know.^^"
[08:24] <Shadowmeh> Should have known komeji's were scum
[08:25] <Shadowmeh> can read minds and didn't know who the scum were
[08:29] <Dorian> It was actually more the other way around, the point that Dormio posted half of my conclusion about PX as I was still busy phrasing the questions to get me there was kinda scary.^^;;
Damn it Dormio, get out of my head!
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did serela forget about imp
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GOOD JOB Serela
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Magical Madness 2 and IMP didn't end in lylo
MM2 I think was in lylo the day -before- the last day, but :V
Anyway now I have to go to work
edit:Actually IMP was lylo, huh. WELL NO ONE NOTICED.
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edit:Actually IMP was lylo, huh. WELL NO ONE NOTICED.
i have a 100% winrate when in LYLO with shadoweh :)
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Looking at IMP, endgame was 4p but it was declared LYLO and not MYLO so ???
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Chaore doesn't let town No Lynch, iirc
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i have a 100% winrate when in LYLO with shadoweh :)
MY EVERLASTING HATE
ALSO GOD DAMNIT SERELA. I will remember next time. "Maybe I'm just improving! :D" NO IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE SCUM
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Don't worry he'll definitely revert back to the roleclop if I ever need to rely on him as a buddy
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Actually I want to give IHNN a hug of approval for making a 100% power role game that didn't devolve into either side being screwed because of power roles! ..Possibly because they kept getting murdered, but still.
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Actually I want to give IHNN a hug of approval for making a 100% power role game that didn't devolve into either side being screwed because of power roles! ..Possibly because they kept getting murdered, but still.
I didn't even know I was one and I still died!
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Actually I want to give IHNN a hug of approval for making a 100% power role game that didn't devolve into either side being screwed because of power roles! ..Possibly because they kept getting murdered, but still.
=D