Author Topic: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (GAME OVER: SCUM WIN) (Read 83598 times)

PX · « **Reply #270 on:** January 29, 2013, 11:16:50 PM »

I'll be back tonight for a post.

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #271 on:** January 29, 2013, 11:24:51 PM »

Quote from: PX on January 29, 2013, 11:16:33 PM

So yeah now I have no time for post. However, the subtle and blatant AtE in NNR's post makes me want to vote him harder. And we're not lynching Rawr.

Posts like these set a ticking time bomb with your name on it, and the payload is rage. What a horrible and conniving way to brush off all my posts and tack on a stupid excuse to keep your vote on me.

PX, what have YOU done today? You made a vote on me for sheeping, stuck to it after sheeping stopped being a good singular reason to vote me, and you've told everyone to not kill rawr. That's it. You've done nothing else. That's dissapointing.

Conqueror · « **Reply #272 on:** January 30, 2013, 12:03:51 AM »

Quote from: BT on January 29, 2013, 02:42:38 PM

Conq, what's your current read on Dan and what do you make of that early exchange with him now? I also want your read on Dorian.

My read on Dan right now is town. The early exchange was a misunderstanding imo.

Dorian's biggest problem is that he's still talking about page 3 in a ten page game. But I don't find his few posts scummy? He makes decent points on Dan and PX (even though I think the Dan case is misguided). I can't really say more until he posts more about the current state of the game. So, null read.

@Zak, a few things:
1) Is that a serious vig claim and are you willing to shoot someone tonight to prove it?
2) Do you have any scumreads, like, at all?

rawr's posting is really lazy and I don't like the way he ignored what I asked him. Look, I'll literally quote his reasoning for his NNR vote:

Quote from: Dr Rawr on January 28, 2013, 09:28:59 PM

Serela/NNR sheeping is a thing and i would lynch them at this point.

Later you get gems like this:

Quote from: Dr Rawr on January 29, 2013, 05:20:57 AM

still not completely convinced by serelas nnr vote. also no idea what affinity is doing with his vote either

Basically just sitting on NNR and poking at other things.
And the eventual reasoning for the vote:

Quote from: Dr Rawr on January 29, 2013, 06:41:43 AM

-nnr is a wagon, of course he will gain attention. also prior all hes been doing is giving off heavy null reads on everyone pretty much. town should be voting who they think are scum not someone else.

Which doesn't make sense. Since when was NNR voting someone he doesn't think is scum?
While I don't agree with Affinity's dichotomy thing (it's pretty clear that Dan and BT are attracting a different type of attention than Dormio given, you know, their posts and how people are reacting to them), rawr's just coasting right now. I think someone already said this, but rawr's NNR votesheep is as bad or worse than NNR's Zak votesheep.
##Unvote
##Vote: rawr

Quote from: PX on January 29, 2013, 11:16:33 PM

And we're not lynching Rawr.

Okay, why not?

I had a problem with NNR BT's read before, but I feel better about him after all his responses. It looks like he tripped over himself trying to explain a read he's conflicted on (agree with the player, disagree with their reads etc). Really, the biggest problem I have with NNR is the overdefensiveness and the passive play, but iirc that was part of his play last game too. >_>

Darkoda's drive-by posting feels like he hasn't read any of the recent thread. Darkoda, what do you think about the major wagons like Dorian, NNR, rawr, and Zakeri? You say Dan is odd and Dormio is speaking weird; what do you think is scummy about them?

Lynch priorities right now are probably rawr>Zak>Dorian>NNR

Conqueror · « **Reply #273 on:** January 30, 2013, 12:06:38 AM »

Actually, NNR, could you give like a summary of what your reads are (for instance, what you think about the "unreadables" because I think you're just being catty)? You said Zak claimed vig, what do you think about it?

ActionDan · « **Reply #274 on:** January 30, 2013, 12:40:59 AM »

Zak claimed vig.

I think it needs to be directed at the least (I'm actually thinking Zak might be SK)

If the intended target isn't dead, we lynch Zak no questions asked.

##Unvote

Let me get my thoughts together.

ActionDan · « **Reply #275 on:** January 30, 2013, 12:42:37 AM »

Also if anyone else (looking at you newbies) is actually a vigilante, please claim immediately Tyvm

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #276 on:** January 30, 2013, 01:43:35 AM »

☢ CAUTION!! ☢
I died in Crawl, risk of rageposts is high

Quote from: Conqueror on January 30, 2013, 12:06:38 AM

Actually, NNR, could you give like a summary of what your reads are (for instance, what you think about the "unreadables" because I think you're just being catty)? You said Zak claimed vig, what do you think about it?

I don't want to do a bullet list of reads here, so I guess I'll just give some summaries.

PX and Rawr both lean scum to me right now. Neither of them are contributing anything substantial, especially Rawr, who's being uncooperative with his reasoning. Don't know what PX sees in him that's town.

I haven't actually ~seen~ any Dorian posts in my read-throughs although apparently they exist and they're scummy, so I dunno.

The two newbies I can't really read, mostly because they seem pretty reliant on other players for reads.

Affinity is townish I guess, He's playing like last game, and I liked him last game, so I guess he should keep up the good work?

Surprisingly can't muster up read on you, Conq, despite the amount of posts you've had. My gut isn't giving me much to work with there either.

As far as the vig claim, I don't really know. Last time I dealt with one of those I got shot in broad daylight. His claim certainly doesn't affect my read, in any case. Might switch to PX or Rawr here in a minute since it looks like he's going to be spared today anyhow.

Fixed your tag for you :V -IHNN

ActionDan · « **Reply #277 on:** January 30, 2013, 01:52:30 AM »

Quote from: ActionDan on January 30, 2013, 12:42:37 AM

Also if anyone else (looking at you newbies) is actually a vigilante, please claim immediately Tyvm

actually don't, just shoot Zak

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #278 on:** January 30, 2013, 01:55:18 AM »

Ugh, BBCode why do you hate me?

I hope that post is at least readable like that.

Amraphenson · « **Reply #279 on:** January 30, 2013, 02:14:06 AM »

I can't really make reads from all this because I'm still amazed at how complex being able to type and look back at records makes mafia, so I'm really just going with my gut here and sorta half-justifying it with reads from other people. Apologies.

what I do feel is Dormio's posting style is making it hard, for me at least, to say anything with concrete justification besides 'his posting style angers me in a way I've never been angered before'. Whether it's drawing attention to him or not is sorta irrelevant because I can't make heads or tails of his intent; is he just fucking with us because he knows this aggravates us or is he actually hiding some sort of agenda here? or is he just acting as bait?

PX is there a reason why you keep saying we're not going to lynch Rawr cause you guys seem closer than wisp sticks to ursa.

With all the stuff floating around, I relooked at Zak's stuff and I'm not seeing the vigilante claim.

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #280 on:** January 30, 2013, 02:20:45 AM »

He said he was going to shoot someone tonight in his last post. It's a vig softclaim.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #281 on:** January 30, 2013, 02:37:39 AM »

either that or Zak claimed mafia goon and is telling us he's going to enjoy shooting someone tonight. Actually last time he claimed vig he was also scum? Seconding what Dan said about just shoot. Normally I would talk about how he should definitely shoot someone but I'm not sure who I would want unequivobly dead. Maybe PX so he could tell us why Rawr isn't dying (I think he did this exact same thing in Pictures of Birds Mafia).

PS PX if you have an actual reason not to kill Rawr that's role related it would be dumb to just say it like that, so instead you should tell us what the non-role related thing is.

I think rawr as a consolidation wagon is bad because frankly no one has been voting him before now and I'm getting sick of last second superwagons that no one gave reasons to vote for before now. (no offense Affinity, you're pretty much the only one). I very much get a vibe of it being because Rawr is there and some people said he was bad so GO GO GO.

Frankly I don't think he's screaming hard enough.
##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri
Either come out with a real vig claim and your probable targets or I'm going to assume Matsuda didn't do the backstroke well enough and you want to demonstrait again.

Conqueror · « **Reply #282 on:** January 30, 2013, 04:03:19 AM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on January 30, 2013, 02:37:39 AM

I think rawr as a consolidation wagon is bad because frankly no one has been voting him before now and I'm getting sick of last second superwagons that no one gave reasons to vote for before now. (no offense Affinity, you're pretty much the only one). I very much get a vibe of it being because Rawr is there and some people said he was bad so GO GO GO.

Well, actually, the rawr wagon was just as big as the Zakeri wagon before now and about as many people have talked about the both of them. Do you have an actual read-based objection to the rawr wagon?

Quote from: ActionDan on January 30, 2013, 12:40:59 AM

If the intended target isn't dead, we lynch Zak no questions asked.

if zak is actually a vig then this plan isn't going to work because of obvious potential complications. think about it

@amra: what do you think of zak irrespective of the vig claim?

Conqueror · « **Reply #283 on:** January 30, 2013, 04:10:51 AM »

ebwop: i guess im up for lynching zak if he continues his trend of posting by afking for the rest of the day
the reason why the vig claim gives me pause is that i can see why rolling a vig would make you play really lazily, confirmable role that can kill scum at night and all that
cough PoR cough
biggest issue with Zak is the lack of any scumreads at all and the handwaving of everyone as town. i kinda doubt he reads all the wagons as town b/c then he'd probably put more effort into derailing them a.la serela defense, but im not sure whether his behavior is stemming from apathy (ala f11) or being scum
he's being pretty brazen with his :care: attitude; im not sure if zak!scum is that bold

Conqueror · « **Reply #284 on:** January 30, 2013, 04:21:08 AM »

ebwodp: in other words my lynching priorities are still the same as in the post above. nnr is on the list because he's a major wagon but i dont think he's that scummy right now so would prefer not to lynch him over the other options
just trying to explain my thought process a little

Amraphenson · « **Reply #285 on:** January 30, 2013, 05:07:38 AM »

I feel in my gut that he's doing the 'get into good graces of people and then backstab' routine, or something like that. Something seems off. No one's giving off any major scum vibes to me, which is weird in and of itself from my experience. Probably why I'm put off by Dan and Zakeri, I guess? Looking back there's just lots of town reads from them. Also PX just saying Rawr isn't getting lynched, but I suppose he has an explanation for that since he's been busy lately and said he would post. I'm willing to wait.

PX · « **Reply #286 on:** January 30, 2013, 05:10:46 AM »

Just got out of class, but I do have a reason for wanting Rawr alive that I will deign to not reveal as I believe that doing so will not be benefitial to town in the slightest. Currently.

Dorian White · « **Reply #287 on:** January 30, 2013, 05:16:22 AM »

Finally caught up, better late than never.^^;

@BT: Thank you for pointing out my main problem here, it took me 6 hours to write this post alone and I had just around 8 to deal with this game so far, sorry that I used most of it to read.

Now to the matter at hand, as much as I would like to update my case on Dan there is not much I haven't already said. Zakeris vote on Darkoda was there already, even when I have to admit that Dans vote timing wasn't as bad as I thought. Mostly cause Zakeri really haven't said anything between his ?Dan isn't lying, vote: Darkoda? and ?that was a votepark, vote Dan?. But still haven't he voted him along with his question to give them more value and his initiating suspicion more clarity?

This doesn't get me anywhere, does it? ##Unvote

NNR: I recall that his ?null reads post? gave me a uncertain town impression. But now that I look into it again do I see that I have the same problem with his Zakeri vote that I have with Dans. He voiced suspicion on BT, Zakeri and to a much lesser degree Dan too but he left with an empty unvote. He kinda withdrawn his suspicion on BT as he voted Zakeri later, but he still keep on dancing around BT and it took him indeed quite some time to clarify this dance as town read. The problem I see here isn't the lack of clarity in his BT read but more that I have to wonder why he feels the need to talk that much about BT in the first place if he think he's town? He said ?... Zak is my only scumread and Shadoweh is fuck-knows-where so I can't vote him either.? That's fine, but his efforts to find alternatives are quite limited, not to say vanishingly low compared to his BT ramblings.
I have to say that I'm not sure what he's doing but I'm quite sure that it's not scum hunting.

##Vote: NekoNekoRex

Also I'm missing an opinion about Dan in your last post, mind to add one?

That took me forever, I will address Zakeri, Rawr and likely PX again after I went for a walk to get some cigarettes. What a way to ~~waste~~ spend a night.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #288 on:** January 30, 2013, 05:20:32 AM »

I don't remember anyone doing that in Path of-HEY. There's still a difference you know. I was at least interested in hunting for victims even if I didn't care if I could prove it.
PX: A'ight but I'ma hold you to it. I don't really want Rawr dead either, I feel the same way I did about him last game before hypnotoad.

Dorian are you really not gonna say anything about me, not evven be mad or something? :/

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #289 on:** January 30, 2013, 05:26:00 AM »

Dorian have you considered the fact that I've been on BT's case all day because of his vote on me and the fact we've both been taking potshots at each other throughout the day?

Compare and contrast to my scumreads all of which are low-content, low-frequency posters and you'll see why most of my content is directed towards BT.

Serela · « **Reply #290 on:** January 30, 2013, 05:27:33 AM »

Been kind of busy. Going to continue being busy since I have to go to sleep immediately in order to wake up early enough since I have an appointment and then work. (I'm going to be gone like 6 hours before deadline)

But I'll totally try to get up early enough to make a decent post in mafiers. Anyway we're clearly not lynching Zak because Vig, we're clearly not lynching rawr because PX not popular wagon, Dorian I mentioned before, and so that leaves NNR who I've stated that I'm fine with anyway (granted I'm kind of behind at this point, only really managed to skim the recent pages)

Cut by Dorian catching up wooo. Hopping on the big wagon after being gone forever isn't particularly good but it's also certainly not just some lazy sheep, and he says he's going to post more so

Shadoweh's zak!vote is silly considering we kind of need votes on real targets (The call for more from Zak isn't silly, even if I'm not sure how important it is) but at this point I'm not sure we can vote NNR again without lynching him anyway. And IIRC Shadoweh's been clear about how she feels about the actual lynch candidates. So.

shadoweh just give him a minute I'm sure he'll :C at you when he makes his additional posts he's promising

bed I missed you

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #291 on:** January 30, 2013, 05:28:28 AM »

Or I could just direct you to read post #232

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #292 on:** January 30, 2013, 05:30:41 AM »

Dan is still town, since you asked for that read.

Conqueror · « **Reply #293 on:** January 30, 2013, 05:33:43 AM »

* Conqueror throws up arms.

If that's the case PX, it had better be a good reason and not something like "I have a meta town read on him." But I'm guessing this will become clear eventually.
##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri

Dorian, what's your opinion on Dan now because I can't get it from your post, and why is NNR rambling about BT scummy when for the most part he's either answering questions about BT or in a back-and-forth with him?

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #294 on:** January 30, 2013, 05:50:53 AM »

_{the almighty} _dislike
Watakushi-sama still kirais PX.
_I
If need be, watashi will switch to Zakeri.

Conqueror · « **Reply #295 on:** January 30, 2013, 06:05:10 AM »

Quote from: Ran Yakumo on January 29, 2013, 11:52:33 AM

_{your beloved Dormio} _tomorrow _now _{the celebrity} _that _person
Watakushi-sama will post about NNR ashita but will say for ima that watakushi-sama doesn't like ano hito.

dormio can you elaborate on this because you never did

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #296 on:** January 30, 2013, 07:07:43 AM »

<inventive avoidance of a curse word> hell I am tired as <simile>. It's 2 AM and I'm going to bed. I expect to be back before deadline, assuming I don't somehow marathon sleep until <deadline in my timezone>.
Although that's like 14 hours from now so me sleeping that long is as likely as <another simile>.

Anyway I'm too <synonym for "really tired"> to think right now so I'll just let you <people whom I like or dislike depending on the time of day> to ad lib my post for me. See you in the morning, I guess. Try not to lynch me before I wake up, hm?

Dorian White · « **Reply #297 on:** January 30, 2013, 10:54:52 AM »

So, I'm back and...
I have honestly no idea how I'm supposed to read Zakeri. I at last like to think that his points against Dan weren't completely baseless but his last post is just ? I mean has he really left an empty unvote not even 24 hours before deadline? Is his ?I'm going to make a list of people who use that for their reasoning and select one to shoot tonight.? line really a vig claim?
As much as I hate to say it but the only conclusion I can get to at the moment is, I have no idea what he is.

About Rawr, not sure if it's bias from last game but I get the impression that he puts more thoughts in his post than last time. I never thought I would see the day but I'm not interested in his lynch right now.

Now to PX, I recall that Dan said about him ?I don't think I've ever seen PX this town in my life? and it makes me think that I must have missed something case all I see are his usual half reporting one liner opinion. Hardly my first priority at the moment but also not so impressive to reverse the impression of his wagon jump on Dormio.

@Shadoweh: If you talk about your vote on me then I'm not sure what to say about it. You observed a change in my behavior and that led you to the wrong conclusion. If you want me to get mad at you then call your vote an gambit and call me something like ?British governor scum? based on it, cause I'm not Schezo.

@Conqueror: I'm still not clearing Dan even when I'm less certain right now that he's scum, if I ever was certain about him, I mean we are talking about a ED1 case.

Also: I'll try to be here around deadline but knowing my bad timing is it not unlikely that this will be my last post for the day.

BT · « **Reply #298 on:** January 30, 2013, 11:15:45 AM »

Quote from: NekoNekoRex on January 29, 2013, 10:51:48 PM

Okay, now you are starting to tick me off. I don't think you've been reading into my posts hard enough, because I've been heavily implying a non-scum read on you since you revealed your original impression on me. Between "BT looks better" a bunch of times and "Does town expect me to turn round my read on BT [and vote him]" I don't think you seem to notice the part where I don't think you're actually scum. If you can't infer obvious enough reads like that without me actually saying "X is <read>" you need to Stop Voting and find someone else.

You're absolutely right and I was about to correct myself yesterday when I was violently ejected from my internet access. In any case, yeah, I actually did think it was fine when you said I was town originally but when I reread I completely forgot about those parts.

You're right when you say it's hard to infer what my read on you is, too -- because I'm still contemplating if your recent posts are coming from town or scum. It's why I was absorbed by my #255 because I thought it was solid when it wasn't.

ANYWAY,

BT · « **Reply #299 on:** January 30, 2013, 11:17:54 AM »

Aaand random premature 'Post'. More to come. <_<