Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (GAME OVER: SCUM WIN)

[NekoNekoRex]

Dormio doesn't like how he reads me in a Mafia game

Allow me to portray the full extent of my surprise with an image

[BT]

which means I'm sticking with BT, since I still think he's scum.

BT doesn't seem as scummy.

Mmm. Shed a little light on what changed?

I think it is. What did he do to change your mind?

Not much, actually. I'm still looking at him, but the second post seemed Dorian-ish.

Actually, I'm reading his ISO right now. I get twitches from the reasoning behind his Dan vote, specifically from this:

Have you ever considered that supposed buddies would help him establishing a newbtown impression? Isn't that not actually what you are doing right now?

I think he's accusing Dan of establishing a newbtown impression for scumbuddy Darkoda? That's completely out of left field and seems like bullshit rather than a thought from town.

Most of what I've been trying to do is figure out if this was above even Dorian as town and I'm not sure. However! One thing of note is that, along with him trailing behind the conversation, the only reads he's committed to so far have been Dan and PX. I don't see anything else on literally anyone else. I think this is what Shadoweh was saying about him saying more as town? Yeah, I'm seeing this now.

I haven't re-analyzed the current wagons like I said I would (yet) but I'm actually pretty confident in switching after this.

##Unvote NekoNekoRex
##Vote Dorian

Conq, what's your current read on Dan and what do you make of that early exchange with him now? I also want your read on Dorian.

[BT]

Darkoda, I see you posting in the other threads. Please grace us with your presence. No one online at this our will bite.

[BT]

EBWOP: "at this hour"

A little more on Dorian that I forgot to say: another reason why accusation that Dan is covering for scum Darkoda is likely bullshit is that he never mentions Darkoda being scum or anything of the sort.

[Darkoda]

Well since it's my first go at Mafia over a forum so I'm working off guesswork here but, so far all I have to go with are Dan's oddness at the beginning but I don't know if that's normal for him or not quite yet.

And Dormio speaking weird which seems like an attempt to annoy people too much to bother trying to read him.

[BT]

Dormio does this all the time, unfortunately.

Fact of the matter is that some players are scum so their reads are fake. Do you think there's anything that fits the bill?

[Amraphenson]

Mind pointing out what's bad about that, NNR? Would be helpful.

I'm going to stand by my guns and say that Dorian could go either way. The silence could mean anything imo, but it leads towards scumminess, and if people are meta'ing and saying it lends towards nottown!Dorian then sure.

[ActionDan]

I think Dorian is actually more townish after his last post.

Zakeri is still scum and his last post more or less gives it away.  I will explain later.

[BT]

Come on Dan, I think my point in #243 is actually pretty big.

Also compare his play right now to his entrance post in the recent game, when there was a similar quantity of content around (maybe even less).

[Serela]

Dorian needs to catch up for srs and spending half a post talking about a vote PX did in RVS is "why"
however d1 is ALSO not the time to lynch someone for having been unable to keep up with the game a bit due to IRL (If he doesn't improve though, then of course, full speed ahead d2, but)

I was trying to get something else to say here, but I kind of need to get ready for work

[BT]

however d1 is ALSO not the time to lynch someone for having been unable to keep up with the game a bit due to IRL (If he doesn't improve though, then of course, full speed ahead d2, but)

Actually, hmm, if him being behind is the reason for his limited reads then my vote isn't nearly as strong as I made it out to be. There's still the Dan vote, but I guess I'll wait for his post.

Amra, answer my question.

Reread of Zak yeilds nothing because he has 3 posts. The only reason behind his lynch that I back up is the whole "doesn't say anything about the rest of Dan's play" thing. Other than that, I dunno. I'd rather vote Dorian on the bad content front.

Next up are NNR and rawr, I guess.

[Shadoweh]

Neko: I'm not voting for you. :V And I'm not doing it out of spite. I don't hate anyone in mafia. 'Zakeri still only has one content post' or 'Shadoweh hasn't come back to say anything' are valid reasons to keep voting someone, I don't understand why you would think this meant you couldn't pursue someone anymore. I don't care if you're ignoring meta, don't unvote people for doing scummy things. Just in that post you gave more of your own reasoning for Zak then you had before. And no, it -really- wasn't clear that you thought BT was town.

booo Dorian's last post is good. But it doesn't address anything that's actually happened. :/ Unfortunately because I know he has reading problems sometimes I'm not sure if that's scummy or not. No longer 100% sure. Dorian needs to get to the part of the game where there's actually stuff happening. Cut by BT saying almost the same thing.

I thought Affinity was a little weird at first but I think he's okay now. Will not randomly lynch without claim >.> We're getting close to the 24 hour mark, so as soon as I get home in about 2-3 hours I'm gonna read over current wagons again and see if I want to switch/push hard until Dorian chokes.

[I have no name]

Votecount of Dali
ActionDan:    Dorian, Zakeri (2)
Affinity:     (0)
BT:     (0)
Conqueror:     (0)
Darkoda:     (0)
Dorian:    Shadoweh, BT (2)
Dormio:    Darkoda (1)
NekoNekoRex:    PX, rawr, SasAmra-san (3)
PX:    Dormio (1)
rawr:    Serela, Affinity (2)
SasAmra-san:     (0)
Serela:     (0)
Shadoweh:     (0)
Zakeri:    ActionDan, NekoNekoRex, Conqueror (3)


With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
You have  24  hours remaining.

[BT]

I want Dormio to share his reads on the current wagons because he's currently as useless as Dorian, maybe even worse. (useless in the null sense)

Zak also needs to show up. I think it's an hour before prod.

[BT]

Dorian also said he'd work on this 'tonight' and if we share the same timezone that's probably not going to happen.

[BT]

After reading, I'd say the biggest issue I have with NNR now is his reads. The only one that follows a natural progression is the Zak read -- everything else is either waffly or nonexistent.

His me read is the big problem. It's kind of ~everywhere~:

BT reminds me, surprisingly, of Scum!Serela. He's pointing scum in all directions while his current vote is probably the dumbest one of all the choices he has. He Town!Dan read is contradictory, defending him for having a bunch of town reads before everyone is post-RVS, and not criticizing him after plenty of people have posted. Other irks are that BT calls Affinity uptight while also being a prude about Dormio's (now readable) posting quirk.

A bunch of things.

Anyway I guess BT's gambit paid off because I certainly think his suspicions look a bit better (although I'm still concerned with his weird buddying with Dan)

The buddying is weird.

Speaking of which, BT, when are you going to answer my question. I feel the need to point out now that your original reasons for the vote on me are based on meta. And meta is bad.

The vote is meta and meta is bad.

BT's posts sound on the fence about me, having no clear scumread, which I don't like, yet his vote persists.

I don't have a clear scumread.

I thought my read on BT was pretty clear. I think he's town, although horribly misguided. It's much unlike last game where he was just plain awful and his scumhunting was pitiful.

And the kicker: I'm town.

It seems like a collection of reasons that don't fit inside the same puzzle. No, it wasn't obvious that you read me as town, because none of your posts suggested that conclusion: they only added more nitpicks to the nitpick bucket without going anywhere with them. The fact that you do arrive at a conclusion, which seems detached from your earlier posts, seems unnatural.

[BT]

I wouldn't be surprised if the consolidation wagon ended up on rawr: he's lurking. Going through his posts right now but I just wanted to make sure that was clear. <_<

Speaking of which, consolidation happens overnight, hopefully. I don't want any deadline panic itg.

[ActionDan]

Rawr is not a good wagon at all. 

and if it consolidates there for some reason all the more reason to think Zak is scum ^_^

tbh I don't even want to bother going over his last post.

[PX]

We not lynching Rawr.

Anyways, I have time for 1 post and then school for the rest of the day.

[BT]

Most of rawr's posts are responses to Affinity / Serela. He pretty much never talks about NNR (his vote) and I'm pretty sure his vote is for 'sheeping'.

I don't agree with Affinity's dichotomy thing (rawr said Dormio was keeping attention away from him, actually), but, like, wow, rawr's pretty bad otherwise. What are you guys seeing in him?

[WHMZakeri]

yeah yeah, I admit I overreacted to Dan's attack of Serela.
##Unvote
But meh, in all honesty, it was either that or I go "zomg Everyone is town, vote: nobody."

Also, people who are using the votepark on Darkoda thing against me really need to start paying attention. It's annoying when people try to cash in on buzzwords like that, no matter who they come from.
I'm going to make a list of people who use that for their reasoning and select one to shoot tonight.

At this point, though, I don't even have anywhere to vote park, but I might as well prodskirt.

[BT]

After this last reading session I'm actually more compelled to

##Unvote Dorian
##Vote NekoNekoRex

[Dr Rawr]

I don't agree with Affinity's dichotomy thing (rawr said Dormio was keeping attention away from him, actually), but, like, wow, rawr's pretty bad otherwise. What are you guys seeing in him?

Have you tried looking into my eyes? Its like a fucking ocean of love and town in there.

Also my posts being bad is nothing new.

[BT]

It's nothing new but I think you not referring to your scumpick's posts is a different kind of bad. You just jumped on the wagon for "sheeping" and haven't talked about the vote since.

[NekoNekoRex]

Cool, so Zak is making an appeal unvote and not doing anything else.

Also he claimed Vig. Lovely.

[NekoNekoRex]

BT on my BT read

Okay, now you are starting to tick me off. I don't think you've been reading into my posts hard enough, because I've been heavily implying a non-scum read on you since you revealed your original impression on me. Between "BT looks better" a bunch of times and "Does town expect me to turn round my read on BT [and vote him]" I don't think you seem to notice the part where I don't think you're actually scum. If you can't infer obvious enough reads like that without me actually saying "X is <read>" you need to Stop Voting and find someone else.[/quote] Yeah, I lack a bunch of reads on other people but give me a break, it's D1 in a game full of newbies and regular unreadables (rawr, Dormio)

[NekoNekoRex]

In fact if anyone has hard to infer reads it's you. You've been saying I look better all day but your vote's been stuck on me regardless of the fact.

[NekoNekoRex]

Rawr needs to Post More because he's not exactly being cooperative and that bothers me a bit.

[NekoNekoRex]

In fact I think townies should stop sheeping me for being the loudest and easiest to vote player.

[PX]

So yeah now I have no time for post. However, the subtle and blatant AtE in NNR's post makes me want to vote him harder. And we're not lynching Rawr.