Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (GAME OVER: SCUM WIN)

[NekoNekoRex]

EBWOP: I recall Scum!Serela throwing around accusations a lot, not having baseless votes.

Granted my memory is probably fuzzy because I don't think much about meta.

[PX]

NNR, give me your own summary of why Zak is scum. None of this Dan said it first stuff

[BT]

I was more interested in what BT had to say about me.

Speaking of which, BT, when are you going to answer my question. I feel the need to point out now that your original reasons for the vote on me are based on meta. And meta is bad.

I thought I did? That I still banked on my original impression + your extended unhelpfulness pointing to you!scum.

Though I might switch to Zak (recently) or Conq. Dorian, maybe, but I'm not sure about that one now.

Again, you're going over why you were in the right but that is kind of irrelevant to me. I mean, your posts are nice and tidy and Dan already summed that up with his shock and awe. I'm not going to be able to catch you!scum on that front. Thankfully there's the motivational front, and I don't think townie motivation is the one that made you jump on Dan. Not strong enough for a wagon, but I've got my eye on you. B(

His read on Dan were contradictory for the reason I stated. He said Dan's town reads were fine because it was early game, but he failed to note Dan was still only townhunting after there was more players.

Actually, if you read carefully, I said his town reads were fine period. Dormio's accusation of "he's not hunting for scum" wouldn't hold up unless it was a running theme during a decent bulk of the game. Lo and behold, Dan has some scumreads now.

[BT]

By the way, Conq, these replies aren't changing my mind about that. I feel like you're aware of the fact I can't win content-wise and taking advantage of it.

[Conqueror]

By the way, Conq, these replies aren't changing my mind about that. I feel like you're aware of the fact I can't win content-wise and taking advantage of it.

What better townie motivation is there than pushing forward a serious vote to start some real discussion in the game? Honestly, sometimes I think the meta here favours doing nothing for the first 48 hours of D1 and then rushing at the end of the day to jump on anyone that sounds funny. Proactiveness ain't appreciated properly. Doesn't help that in recent games it was the scum being proactive.
As for what I'm doing, I'm just trying to push you in the right direction, since scumreading me will just be a waste of your time when the game progresses. So I'm saving you the trouble of paranoia.

Well he has had a nice few paragraphs on you, for one. A lot of his posts were critical of other people (Dorian, you, Dormio, Serela) while he stuck his vote on me for no clear reason (which is what I call Scum!Serela doing). His read on Dan were contradictory for the reason I stated. He said Dan's town reads were fine because it was early game, but he failed to note Dan was still only townhunting after there was more players.
BT's posts sound on the fence about me, having no clear scumread, which I don't like, yet his vote persists.

NNR: When you posted that blurb his reasoning for Conq/Serela/Dorian/Dormio scum was pretty minimal as well, and half of those were just pokes anyway. BT already addressed the townread thing. What's fencesitty about BT's posts on you given his explanation after the fact?
More importantly, what parts of Dan's Zak reasoning were you sheeping?

[NekoNekoRex]

On BT: He said I looked a bit better and didn't come up with a non-meta reason until the second time I poked him on it.

I had bad gut on Zak since Dan's reaction test since Zak jumped on Dakoda and believed Dan far too easily. His vote on Dan is kind of weak ("I have a contrary opinion on reads, and your "attack" (it's hardly even a poke) is bad) Dan didn't even have a vote down until voting Zak, so it seems like an awful stretch of an accusation.

Then he uses WIFOM to justify voting further.

[NekoNekoRex]

Note that I don't exactly have much to go on in terms of scumreads, unless everyone is expecting me to suddenly turn my read on BT around. Zak is my only scumread and Shadoweh is fuck-knows-where so I can't vote him either.

[Serela]

Rawr:You do realize me sheeping PX was a half-joke, right? If you look at my posts my vote on NNR was very telegraphed. I had been prodding him and commenting on him a lot beforehand and even said a couple of the points that PX said about him myself (Which I mentioned in the post where I voted NNR)

Rawr jumping on NNR without mentioning him in any posts beforehand is a thing too. Big frownface at him for jumping on the emerging wagon without even having mentoined NNR and for saying he wants me lynched for sheeping when I was barely even sheeping.

[Serela]

I'm considering vote-switching to rawr. It feels like a hit-and-run posting considering he's often pretty lurky, where he makes a baseless jump onto NNR's wagon and then, this seeming to go mostly unnoticed, doesn't come back to have attention drawn to him until he has to avoid the next prod.

I'm proooobably getting ahead of myself here though because it's only d1 and it hasn't been that long since he posted. But the incredibly blatant wagonhop is terrible. And it feels like he wasn't even reading my posts, rather then skimming then and saw "sheep", considering in the same or next sentence I explained why it wasn't reaaaally one.

Actually wait why am I worrying about consolidation when, wow, we've actually made this much progress only one RL day into d1! Hey, that's pretty cool. Somehow I was thinking we must have been a lot further into d1 and so it'd be better to stick on wagon because I like it. derp.

##unvote ##Vote Rawr

NNR is still would-lynch and the next person I'd vote, if consolidation time comes around (Still almost 2 entire days left before deadline) rawr!voting hasn't caught on I'm more then happy to switch back.

[ActionDan]

yeah no, NNR is probably not scum.

If I figure out concrete reasons for that I'll let you know

Also I believe Serela to be town now

[Dr Rawr]

Rawr jumping on NNR without mentioning him in any posts beforehand is a thing too.

yo dog that was my first actual post

I had been prodding him

your prods involved talking about his "crak theory", do you realize how bad that sounds?

even said a couple of the points that PX said about him myself

no you didnt prior to px post and why do i care if you parroted px post?

@BT, i read conq like a read huhwhat. town until i have actual reason to think hes scum. too many :words:

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[Dr Rawr]

then skimming then and saw "sheep", considering in the same or next sentence I explained why it wasn't reaaaally one.

if youd like i can break down what i saw for you

[Serela]

no you didnt prior to px post and why do i care if you parroted px post?

um... yes I did?

I need to go take the dog out, I'll elaborate on my "yes" here in a minute.

[Affinity]

I voted Dan because he was languishing around doing cute stuff without putting a vote, what else is there?  And if people were to vote for things solely on the basis that they don't understand it, death awaits at the end for all of us.  But lo, behold, his Zakeri case.

I certainly don't get NNR's vote priorities since he has been talking far more about BT than Zakeri.  I don't think parroting is as bad as alleged, but he needs to clarify how Zakeri is worse.  I still think him town however; after all, what was stopping him from voting BT in the first place? 

@rawr: How is Dormio's posting style drawing people away from him when it is plainly the opposite?

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In the meantime, let me do this.

##Unvote
##Vote: rawr

Explanations when I'm free after like 8 hours of consecutive lessons.  Basically NNR jump (he clears Dan and BT for attracting attention, but how is NNR not attracting attention at all?  Same goes for Dormio).

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I give Dormio 24 hours till he drops that PR on his own accord.

_{the greatest Dormio     refuse}
Watakushi-sama kotowaru!

[Serela]

/NNR sheeping

Oooooh right.

Okay, I retract my point that you didn't even mention him. It's still a barebones wagon hop though.

As for the other part

but he's not voting because of bullshit conspiracy theory reasons.

I poke NNR all >:C?-like in post 139 and 144 about the ridiculous theory and how he's not voting because of it. Since PX posted before NNR responded though I never got to get to the part where I talk about my conclusion with this though, he kinda beat me to it :/

There was about a second that I thought NNR was town but then I looked at his post again and saw the stuff that was horribly wrong with it (in my 139)

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also still dont think dormio is town. i think the way hes posting is just making people draw attention away from him at this point.

_{the supreme commander   very                        why                       I                                                                                the overlord                  the leader                              all}
Watakushi-sama is tottemo confused. Naze would watashi want to draw attention away from watakushi-sama? Watakushi-sama deserves zenbu attention.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

  _yaranaika?
Yaranaika?
    _{first    the beloved Dormio                                                                                                              all}
Hajime watakushi-sama will reiterate that ActionDan's rampant townreads are subete scummy.
                                 _{create                                                                                         reason}
It's very easy to tsukuru townreads, especially when you give as little riyuu that ActionDan does.
                                       _{bad                                                                                                     desu yo ne~☆}
By itself it's not so warui but these were all ActionDan had until much later desu yo ne~☆
_{and                                                                                think                                                                                                      reason                    desu}
To ActionDan stating in post #118 that he kangaeru that you need to commit to these reads for some riyuu is terrible desu.
                               _{finally                                      but                                                 what                                                                    why                                                 one}
ActionDan later yatto gets a scumread, demo it is only for bad logic? Nani makes having bad logic scummy? Naze is bad logic exclusive to ichi faction?

[Conqueror]

Gotta run out the door but:

And now I'm lost. Gonna take a bit figure this one out =_=

What are you confused about?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

  _{next        the chosen one                                                    totally}
Tsugi! Watakushi-sama still thinks that PX is still tottemo scummy.

[Dr Rawr]

no

@rawr: How is Dormio's posting style drawing people away from him when it is plainly the opposite?

mmmm i guess its more like, since people have  a hard time understanding him it would be pretty hard to follow up on any kind of logic he would use. so i think his posting style is kind of stopping people from getting a read on him.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

nommmm i guess its more like, since people have  a hard time understanding him it would be pretty hard to follow up on any kind of logic he would use. so i think his posting style is kind of stopping people from getting a read on him.

               _{the beautiful Dormio                                                I                             start                           still                                                                            nothing}
Maybe if watakushi-sama was still posting like watashi did at the hajime but if you mada have trouble understanding then nandemonai can help you.
_{the prettiest Dormio                                                                         I                time}
Watakushi-sama will post about PX-kun later when watashi has jikan.

[Amraphenson]

Beyond gut feelings the reads I mentioned earlier, I can't really say anyone's really scummy or towny looking right now. I don't think PX or Dormio is scummy, since my preconceptions of them are sorta clouding my proper judgement. Until I sort the meta out of my head, I can only really make calls on who I don't really know.

which means I'm sticking with BT, since I still think he's scum.

[ActionDan]

pro-tip

It's not BT :3.

Where is shadoweh

rabble rabble.  I am surprised by her missing-ness

[Dr Rawr]

@more affinity

NNR not attracting attention

hes wagon now at this point, how can you not get attention? also the attention that actiondan was attracting is completely different.

@serela

@Serela: It's not really a crack theory, I'm genuinely irked by how buddy-buddy they publicly are.

he followed up with your prodding but you seemed to have ignored it in your next post.

@dormio i hate all weeaboos now

[Dr Rawr]

still not completely convinced by serelas nnr vote. also no idea what affinity is doing with his vote either

[Conqueror]

yeah no, NNR is probably not scum.

If I figure out concrete reasons for that I'll let you know

I wanna hear the non-concrete reasons.  :3

Affinity: You think that NNR is town because if he were scum he could have voted BT anyway; is that what you're saying?

Reread Zak again: Zak is the crux of your Dan case "bad reaction to Serela's post?" What do you think about other people, like say NNR?

Darkoda, where are you? We won't bite. Tell us what you think, anything. Really. We can't get a read on you if you don't post, so don't be afraid.

[Shadoweh]

I was busy. I'm looking at what my scumbuddies are saying and a little saddened they aren't feeding me enough to make a case without reading. :<
Kinda half asleep so forgive me when the following rant makes absolutely no sense

[Serela]

I was thinking "where is shadoweh" earlier too but it didn't really warrant a post so

Rawr: That's because his response didn't really clarify anything at all

Oh hey it's shadoweh!

[Shadoweh]

I guess I could see how BT would be suspicious . At that point [#89] I didn't have any definitive scumreads, which is what I usually go for in a vote. I was going to / may still vote Shadoweh if I didn't like his response however..
On the case of "not voting BT right away" I guess I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt his reasoning would be actually worthwhile.

Also enjoy Dormio and his mafia quirks (they amuse me) even though I constantly want to lynch him for trying to lynch me. It's not like my posts have any clear reads on him. That a problem?

Anyway I guess BT's gambit paid off because I certainly think his suspicions look a bit better (although I'm still concerned with his weird buddying with Dan)
BT where are your voting priorities right now? You said I look better and then you went to write a post on Conq but your vote hasn't changed.

Anyways Dan put my suspicions on Zak into words better then I ever could have had I actually decided to write them out, so I think I'm going to sheep his reasoning and ##Vote: Zakeri

@Serela: It's not really a crack theory, I'm genuinely irked by how buddy-buddy they publicly are.

Grumpy catchup go:
NNR: STOP MAKING THEORIES ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE MASONS. OH MY GOD THIS IS THE WORST THING TO BE THEORIZING ABOUT OUT LOUD IN A WAY THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO ANSWER YOU. Looking at your actual post here as an example I see: No actual read on BT stated in this post, constant flip flopping between townscum. No read on Dormio. 'I enjoy his typing quirk' tells me nothing about what you think of him. A vote on Zak 'because Dan said stuff'. You're still scum. also, lurking is part of my scum meta, why on earth would you NOT vote me for not posting?

Dorian is also probably scum because he is saying nothing. This is your first time being scum alone right? I'm really sorry. I saw someone mentioning killing people earlier? If you could kill Dorian right now we could get a Day 1 scum flip. He is saying nothing when he normally tries for something. I am not even sure of how to word this better but kill it with fire.

Everyone voting for either Dan or BT, especially BT, should consider voting themselves in order to end the pain.

##Vote: Dorian <-- I am 100000000% sure of this and my sleep addled brain says LET'S GO GUNDAM FORCE.

Good wagons: NNR, Dorian, Zak, PX? (I'm not sure on PX)
Bad Wagons: Everything I see in the last votecount. Stop it. I will get really angry with all of you.