Author Topic: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (GAME OVER: SCUM WIN)  (Read 83614 times)

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #150 on: January 28, 2013, 08:15:14 PM »
Oh, and please don't kill Rawr

BT

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #151 on: January 28, 2013, 08:27:02 PM »
I was just going to comment about throwing rawr down the well in the meantime.

NNR: Slightly better, yes. That's about it, though, and my first impression is still a first impression.

I feel like PX was tryhard like this in AGoM D1 too, but that's kind of stupid to fling around now. His post is good.

ActionDan

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #152 on: January 28, 2013, 08:28:42 PM »
I don't think I've ever seen PX this town in my life

Don't lynch me.

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #153 on: January 28, 2013, 08:38:01 PM »
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Serela: Anything else you'd like to share on? After you giving up on BT all I see are a bunch of nullreads.
My continuous poking at NNR was supposed to imply I think he's really suspicious but I wasn't terribly clear about it maybe

I wasn't voting him just yet because he was probably going to be responding to pretty important things within a very short time from my post so I figured I should wait for that rather then fling my vote all over the place.

Sheep-jumping onto Zak really isn't a flattering way for him to follow up.

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Also yeah PX is +++ would sheep again, except I already said a decent bit of what he said about NNR myself, so I can still feel good about my vote :D
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BT

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #154 on: January 28, 2013, 08:41:54 PM »
I don't think PX is as overwhelmingly town as you make him out to be, but if NNR flips scum it's definitely to his favor.

Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #155 on: January 28, 2013, 09:04:43 PM »
And now I'm lost. Gonna take a bit figure this one out =_=

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #156 on: January 28, 2013, 09:18:50 PM »
We're going to lynch rawr instead if he doesn't make up for this lurking.

It's cool Darkoda, just remember that you're looking for shady individuals that have their sights set on survival. Reading some guides might help if you haven't. If all else fails, sheep to us!

Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #157 on: January 28, 2013, 09:28:59 PM »
Serela/NNR sheeping is a thing and i would lynch them at this point.

@Actiondan, why the reaction-test on darkoda over amra? im just curious about it really

and dodged making next post now

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #158 on: January 28, 2013, 09:31:40 PM »
Votecount incoming in like an hour when I get home.

Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #159 on: January 28, 2013, 09:35:26 PM »
Im going to assume BT/Actiondan are town atm. i could not really see scum drawing this much attention as they are now.

Zakeri vote on actiondan is incredibly odd right now.
@Zakeri, can you clarify your vote on actiondan abit more? what part of actiondans post following serela post was an actual attack?

Also still dont think dormio is town. i think the way hes posting is just making people draw attention away from him at this point.

Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #160 on: January 28, 2013, 09:38:32 PM »
im also thinking zakeris post against actiondan is also some kind of soft attack on BT since he did agree with serelas post or something

Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #161 on: January 28, 2013, 09:39:55 PM »
##Unvote
##Vote: NNR

Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #162 on: January 28, 2013, 09:40:34 PM »
i have no idea how many votes nnr has. i hope that wasnt a hammer

BT

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #163 on: January 28, 2013, 09:49:18 PM »
Uhhh all that talk about Zak and you vote NNR?

(Majority is 8 votes and you're #4 so not even close.)

What do you think of Conq?

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #164 on: January 28, 2013, 09:50:21 PM »
Actually nevermind, you're not really accusing Zak too much. Just the second question please.

Conqueror

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #165 on: January 28, 2013, 09:55:45 PM »
Don't particularly care for the Darkoda discussion, but he's voting Dan in #77 for not thinking it through. My Town!Conq isn't an illogical conspirator.
The last part reads like he accepts the fact that he deduced it that way (disagreement), but he voted Dan for faking the deduction. It's inconsistent.

Conq made some good points... that were irrelevant to his vote on Dan. The vote is the problem. I doubt he'd have stuck his vote there as town.
Uh, what? Not sure what you're saying here at all even after rereading. The point about Dan is that he was using bad reasoning to arrive at a town read. I can usually follow Dan's logic pretty well, so I know the general gist of what he's saying. I just think it's bad logic (and it's still a bad clear even now). Dan's not the kind of person who fakes a read using asspulls without backup as scum; he pulls up info to back it up that falls apart when you look closely at it. It's the difference between competent scum and lolscum.

Just curious, if I'm not town now, what would I have done with my vote as town? Keep voteparked on Shadoweh?

Anyway that's irrelevant now because he looks pretty town atm. Making another post but getting this out first so you can respond while you're here.


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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #166 on: January 28, 2013, 10:03:38 PM »
I'm not arguing with your reasons for thinking it was a bad clear. I'm thinking you gave his act of pushing that townread too much weight -- you seemed quite confident that Dan was bullshitting that read when the reasons for that confidence weren't there.

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #167 on: January 28, 2013, 10:05:53 PM »
I also thought your tone in the second post backed up the fact that it wasn't that severe. So it felt odd that you left the vote as it was without some comment on how it's just a hunch or how it could just be a bad clear from town or ~anything~.

Conqueror

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #168 on: January 28, 2013, 10:19:20 PM »
This post is somewhat of a tangent but:

Well, given that Dan instantly caved in to my superior reasoning I'd like to think that my confidence wasn't misplaced.  8)

Pedit: Actually that's just my normal conversational tone when I'm not overexcited. As for commenting when I'm not sure on my scumreads, I usually don't comment on the possibility of my cases being wrong because that's pretty self-explanatory? It was something that piqued my interest at the time so I pursued it.

Anyone could be bad town; if I comment after every suspicion about how the person could just be bad town I'd sound like Serela.  :3


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #169 on: January 28, 2013, 10:20:25 PM »
ebwop: especially not that early in the game
anyway back to my real post


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #170 on: January 28, 2013, 10:21:47 PM »
And frankly Serela's reasonings were bad ones to lay down a vote on BT.
I'll quote the parts which are bad.
no
ok but that isn't scummy
unrelated but bad
for bad logic

Thanks for the helpful explanations.
The first one can be used to supplement a case but not start it.
For the Second, even though it's stepped in meta, it's a decent case to make, and was actually the part of the post that won me over to Serela's side.

Seeing BT's come clean post; BT isn't scum, Serela still isn't scum for pinging BT as scum when he did
Actiondan overreacting to Serela still has chance of being scum.

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@Zakeri, can you clarify your vote on actiondan abit more? what part of actiondans post following serela post was an actual attack?
im also thinking zakeris post against actiondan is also some kind of soft attack on BT since he did agree with serelas post or something

I quoted his post 124 for a reason. I didn't like it because when I read it it seemed like he was attacking Serela because Serela made a case on BT- not for actually disagreeing with the case, but because it was on BT. Right now, I want to see more of his reasoning for what he said.

of course, now that I've reread it, I see that he said in the quote he wasn't actually thinking Serela was scum for it, but the fact that he didn't have a vote down at the time makes it harder to actually pin responsibility for the attack to him. That makes him scummy.

Also, yes it was a soft attack against BT, but I've retracted that as of this post.

BT

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #171 on: January 28, 2013, 10:32:34 PM »
How do I put this to words?

I don't think the manner in which you voted Dan is proportionate to the severity of what he actually did, conversational tone or not. Things like
Not to mention you haven't done anything with your vote.
and
So explain what you mean by this statement. Sounds like more posturing.
are kind of tacked on here. You were trying to build a something from nothing.

Actiondan overreacting to Serela still has chance of being scum.

I quoted his post 124 for a reason. I didn't like it because when I read it it seemed like he was attacking Serela because Serela made a case on BT- not for actually disagreeing with the case, but because it was on BT. Right now, I want to see more of his reasoning for what he said.

of course, now that I've reread it, I see that he said in the quote he wasn't actually thinking Serela was scum for it, but the fact that he didn't have a vote down at the time makes it harder to actually pin responsibility for the attack to him. That makes him scummy.
I think you're kind of grasping here. Criticizing because the vote was on me isn't scummy and he was ~present~ enough that a vote didn't really matter. And you just said he didn't want to vote Serela so where would that vote be?

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #172 on: January 28, 2013, 10:34:55 PM »
Why is sheeping automatically bad? I can't gut someone and then follow it up with a vote later?  I even said "I may vote him later if I have nobody else" and I even have good reasons to vote him (alebit it's reasons Dan made, but still)
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

Conqueror

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #173 on: January 28, 2013, 10:35:11 PM »
##Unvote
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A lot of what he's doing feels like fluff.
BT reminds me, surprisingly, of Scum!Serela. He's pointing scum in all directions while his current vote is probably the dumbest one of all the choices he has. He Town!Dan read is contradictory, defending him for having a bunch of town reads before everyone is post-RVS, and not criticizing him after plenty of people have posted. Other irks are that BT calls Affinity uptight while also being a prude about Dormio's (now readable) posting quirk.
Like this paragraph is just a mess. How is BT similar to scum!Serela? Which directions is BT pointing scum in, and what are his better choices in your opinion? What's contradictory about BT's town!Dan read?

The rest of his posting feels like passive lurker hunting, especially given his latest vote on Zak.

I think Zak is kinda silly but not really scummy atm.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #174 on: January 28, 2013, 10:35:45 PM »
Why is sheeping automatically bad? I can't gut someone and then follow it up with a vote later?  I even said "I may vote him later if I have nobody else" and I even have good reasons to vote him (alebit it's reasons Dan made, but still)
What was stopping you from voting him before Dan made a case you could jump onto?


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Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #175 on: January 28, 2013, 10:38:43 PM »
I was more interested in what BT had to say about me.

Speaking of which, BT, when are you going to answer my question. I feel the need to point out now that your original reasons for the vote on me are based on meta. And meta is bad.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #176 on: January 28, 2013, 10:40:21 PM »
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Not to mention you haven't done anything with your vote.
He pulled a gambit with Darkoda, unvoted halfway through, and then when it was over left himself hanging without a vote while he softly pressed Zakeri. Sounds pretty accurate to me.  :V But I guess me and Dan probably have a theory disagreement here. I happen to believe that hanging votes are useless because all town has is votes, and therefore it's scummy to leave your vote around doing nothing when it could be doing something.

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So explain what you mean by this statement. Sounds like more posturing.
That was referring to this:
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Also Conq if you believe I'm scum then you could have been able to deduce Darkoda's alignment from that connection to me immediately.
Which I tore apart with this.
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Why would scum!you imply anything about Darkoda's alignment? He could be newbtown that you're white knighting for town points, or newbscum in which case you two are trying to pull off a weird gambit in an attempt to get both of you read as town.
So I dunno, I still agree with my previous assessment.  8)


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #177 on: January 28, 2013, 10:40:51 PM »
NNR, could you address my #173? It's not meta.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #178 on: January 28, 2013, 10:43:59 PM »
##Unvote
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A lot of what he's doing feels like fluff.Like this paragraph is just a mess. How is BT similar to scum!Serela? Which directions is BT pointing scum in, and what are his better choices in your opinion? What's contradictory about BT's town!Dan read?
Well he has had a nice few paragraphs on you, for one. A lot of his posts were critical of other people (Dorian, you, Dormio, Serela) while he stuck his vote on me for no clear reason (which is what I call Scum!Serela doing). His read on Dan were contradictory for the reason I stated. He said Dan's town reads were fine because it was early game, but he failed to note Dan was still only townhunting after there was more players.
BT's posts sound on the fence about me, having no clear scumread, which I don't like, yet his vote persists.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

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Re: Final Fantasy 9 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #179 on: January 28, 2013, 10:45:05 PM »
Petrified Votecount
ActionDan:    Dormio, Affinity, Dorian, Zakeri (4)
Affinity:     (0)
BT:    SasAmra-san (1)
Conqueror:     (0)
Darkoda:     (0)
Dorian:     (0)
Dormio:    Shadoweh, Darkoda (2)
NekoNekoRex:    BT, PX, Serela, rawr, Conqueror (5) [L-3]
PX:     (0)
rawr:     (0)
SasAmra-san:     (0)
Serela:     (0)
Shadoweh:     (0)
Zakeri:    ActionDan, NekoNekoRex (2)


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