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Re: Stuff you wish to see in fandom more
« Reply #330 on: September 23, 2012, 09:05:33 PM »
TouhouWiki has ya covered. (Actually, let me add a link to Koishi the Loving Gourmet too...)

Ah, thanks.  :toot:

E: That was great. It might be a minor thing but, I wanna see more of Koishi with hearts as her pupils.
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« Reply #331 on: September 23, 2012, 09:09:15 PM »
The cold, lonely one? The happy one without a care in the world? The mind-rapist?

All of the above combined. Subconsciously cold and lonely on the inside, but appears happy and carefree on the outside, even fooling herself; she might become a mind-rapist if something or someone pushes her far enough~

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« Reply #332 on: September 23, 2012, 09:14:14 PM »
All of the above combined. Subconsciously cold and lonely on the inside, but appears happy and carefree on the outside, even fooling herself; she might become a mind-rapist if something or someone pushes her far enough~

Yay for amazing Koishi :3  I'm currently reading Koish the Loving Gourmet, and that's pretty much how she is. Next on my list, Pure Jade Anthocyanin!

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« Reply #333 on: September 23, 2012, 09:29:28 PM »
Speaking of Koishi, which ''kind'' of Koishi do you guys prefer? The cold, lonely one? The happy one without a care in the world? The mind-rapist?

I prefer the happy go-lucky Koishi. That isn't to say I don't like the other ones though. I read I Don't Understand My Sister a long while back, and it was pretty great. I used to not like the crazy/yandere Koishi, however, that changed my mind. I tried reading Koishi the Loving Gourmet but couldn't downlaod it due to a 404 error. ANy chance you could direct me to some place I can get it or read it?

More on topic, otherwise this may as well be the Koishi thread or something, I'd also like to see more hard working Komachi. Similar to the WaHH Komachi, but in fanon. Seriously, she's always sleeping when she shows up. It makes me sad ;-; Though, if implemented nicely, it can be pretty great.
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« Reply #334 on: September 23, 2012, 09:50:31 PM »
I prefer the happy go-lucky Koishi. That isn't to say I don't like the other ones though. I read I Don't Understand My Sister a long while back, and it was pretty great. I used to not like the crazy/yandere Koishi, however, that changed my mind. I tried reading Koishi the Loving Gourmet but couldn't downlaod it due to a 404 error. ANy chance you could direct me to some place I can get it or read it?

More on topic, otherwise this may as well be the Koishi thread or something, I'd also like to see more hard working Komachi. Similar to the WaHH Komachi, but in fanon. Seriously, she's always sleeping when she shows up. It makes me sad ;-; Though, if implemented nicely, it can be pretty great.

Here you go for Koishi's gourmet adventure~ http://danbooru.donmai.us/pool/show/2157 Usual danbooru NSFW warning and all that.

I'd like to see more hard-working Komachi too. I can't remember where, but I once read a doujin about Reimu growing old and dying, and had a deep, meaningful conversation with Komachi (who did not like being called ''nice to humans'') and it was a relief, compared to the usual Lazy Komachi. (which can be good if well done, like most fanon interpretations in general.)

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« Reply #335 on: September 23, 2012, 09:56:58 PM »
I kinda wanna see a laid back Eiki or a SANE Flan. I'm tired of seeing the same psychopathic Flan in pretty much every doujin I've read.

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« Reply #336 on: September 23, 2012, 10:00:53 PM »
I kinda wanna see a laid back Eiki or a SANE Flan. I'm tired of seeing the same psychopathic Flan in pretty much every doujin I've read.

I like psycho-flan if it's well inserted. Like, a happy cheerful Flandre that's really just a child wanting to play... but hurt her or those around her (Sakuya, Remilia, Meiling, Patchouli) and it's guaranteed you won't ever do it again.

As for laid back Eiki, yeah, the fandom needs more of that. Better yet (In my opinion), a serious Eiki who tries very hard not to be laid back, but accidentally (or willingly) shows her more relaxed side once in a while.

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« Reply #337 on: September 23, 2012, 11:09:05 PM »
Flan is difficult because she is honestly a pretty flat character even though I love her. Little social interaction means she won't know how to act, and she's basically a kid running around with nukes in her hand so it's really hard to write Flan between batshit and innocent. Most of the time, writers are going to have to throw in a dozen more character traits in order to do anything. A "sane" Flan actually makes the most sense, but you can't really leave out the dangerous side in any not-short piece of writing.

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« Reply #338 on: September 23, 2012, 11:13:26 PM »
I think the easiest way around that would be Future Flan. Older, wiser, going outside more and more, having undergone interactions outside of SDM. Maybe still grappling with issues from her childhood, but coming to terms with them. Could be a bit on the grim side, and would involve including how others, and maybe Gensokyo itself, have changed in the intervening time.

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« Reply #339 on: September 23, 2012, 11:21:27 PM »
ammy stop suggesting good things because eventually i will spend a bunch of time writing them

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« Reply #340 on: September 23, 2012, 11:22:16 PM »
I think the easiest way around that would be Future Flan. Older, wiser, going outside more and more, having undergone interactions outside of SDM. Maybe still grappling with issues from her childhood, but coming to terms with them. Could be a bit on the grim side, and would involve including how others, and maybe Gensokyo itself, have changed in the intervening time.

This... is pure genius. Has this been used in a doujin before?

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« Reply #341 on: September 23, 2012, 11:25:52 PM »
I tried reading Koishi the Loving Gourmet but couldn't downlaod it due to a 404 error. ANy chance you could direct me to some place I can get it or read it?
Did the links in here somehow not work for you? They work fine for me.

I think I'd like to see more troubled Byakuren. No, not "Nazi Byakuren" or whatever the name is for the Byakuren who goes around splattered in guts and gore. I'll take canonically "nice person" Byakuren over that. But she strikes me as the sort of person who will take the time out to think about things, and I'd like to see her possibly re-evaluate her stances on youkai and human equality and peace now that she's been released and has had time to see the world Gensokyo has become, and how her ideas might need updating.

I'll read doujins about pointlessly violent Byakuren, sure. I'll read doujins where she's the smiling face who takes in the main characters and is cheerfully oblivious to the bad things her disciples do. I'll read those, because they're around, and I have room for other people's wildly varying interpretations of her. But what I haven't seen is a Byakuren who is wondering how she'll make her way in this world, so different from the one she knew a thousand years ago. I want to see a thinking Byakuren.

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« Reply #342 on: September 23, 2012, 11:54:57 PM »
This... is pure genius. Has this been used in a doujin before?

Not to my knowledge, nor was the David Lynch Touhou idea.

But she strikes me as the sort of person who will take the time out to think about things, and I'd like to see her possibly re-evaluate her stances on youkai and human equality and peace now that she's been released and has had time to see the world Gensokyo has become, and how her ideas might need updating. ... But what I haven't seen is a Byakuren who is wondering how she'll make her way in this world, so different from the one she knew a thousand years ago. I want to see a thinking Byakuren.

That would be really nice. I'd like to see how this re-evaluation of her affects her relationships with Shou and Murasa especially.

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« Reply #343 on: September 24, 2012, 12:11:24 AM »
Read Post-Mysticism, if you haven't already. She's clearly the least of all sides in the three-way discussion.

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« Reply #344 on: September 24, 2012, 12:23:59 AM »
Read Post-Mysticism, if you haven't already. She's clearly the least of all sides in the three-way discussion.

Off-topic: Where's that picture of Nazrin in your sig from? This is important.

On topic: I'd like to see carefree but kind of melancholy presentation Koishi. Basically The Loving Gourmet's version. The idea behind her character is that she's incapable of even realizing how lonely she is, which is obviously dramatic. Insane Koishi is just weird. Also, I like serious Komachi, but I wouldn't exactly call that "hardworking". She's just serious about things that aren't her job.  :3

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« Reply #345 on: September 24, 2012, 01:43:57 AM »
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« Reply #346 on: September 24, 2012, 02:26:48 AM »
Thank you.

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« Reply #347 on: September 24, 2012, 08:53:46 AM »
I want more Eirin and Reisen yuri, dammit.

Also, I desire less SOPM-as-gospel. People seemed to have forgotten that Akyuu fabricates things on a whim/when paid/can't be bothered to research, and her research partners are Marisa, who is the worst liar to come to the Liar Village since Liar McLiarson ran for Head Liar, and Aya, who is Liar McLiarson.

Granted, I'm a bad fan who was reared on fluffy yuri and gag manga.

fake edit: Regarding Flan, I always viewed her as strangely innocent. All her kyuuing and 'madness' comes from repeated temper tantrums as a toddler (a toddler than suddenly makes things violently explode) and Remilia and friends/family/vampires treating her as THE THING IN THE BASEMENT. 500 years has given her SOME adult handling on the world, but for all intents and purposes, she's a scared 12-year-old.
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« Reply #348 on: September 24, 2012, 12:00:52 PM »
Wasn't it implied, though, that Flan is in the basement voluntarily, or at least has little interest in venturing out? Because that's why I want Future Flan.

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« Reply #349 on: September 24, 2012, 12:09:54 PM »
The way I understand it, she has some interest in it, but stays down below out of respect for, and loyalty to, big sis Remi.
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« Reply #350 on: September 24, 2012, 12:59:43 PM »
I want more Eirin and Reisen yuri, dammit.

Also, I desire less SOPM-as-gospel. People seemed to have forgotten that Akyuu fabricates things on a whim/when paid/can't be bothered to research, and her research partners are Marisa, who is the worst liar to come to the Liar Village since Liar McLiarson ran for Head Liar, and Aya, who is Liar McLiarson.

Granted, I'm a bad fan who was reared on fluffy yuri and gag manga.

You have to remember though that half of SoPM is actually a transcription of a discussion between Miko, Byakuren and Kanako. Presumably that's more reliable than the articles.

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« Reply #351 on: September 24, 2012, 01:40:36 PM »
You have to remember though that half of SoPM is actually a transcription of a discussion between Miko, Byakuren and Kanako. Presumably that's more reliable than the articles.

Pfffft, like those three have the whole picture. And who wrote down all that, hmmmmmm?

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« Reply #352 on: September 24, 2012, 02:25:37 PM »
Pfffft, like those three have the whole picture. And who wrote down all that, hmmmmmm?

Of course they don't have the whole picture. They can't even agree with each other. But it still provides a more balanced viewpoint. And if, say, Kanako tells us why she chose Utsuho to be Yatagarasu's vessel then we suddenly have a more informed viewpoint on the matter. Is she 100% factually correct on every issue? Probably not, but no one is, not even in real life. As for Akyuu being the secretary, why would she go out of her way to include stuff that contradicts what she writes in the other sections? Not to mention the fact that there are at least 4 (5?) people who would be able to instantly call her out on it.

Basically, I'm tired of this whole "Akyuu is a lying liar so I can claim that whatever random thing I make up is just as true as the canon side materials". Yes, Akyuu is biased and often ill-informed. However, that's usually made extremely obvious in the text. That doesn't mean that everything she says is completely wrong, or that we should just completely ignore the book. People are imperfect, even historians. Question everything you hear, look at any fact from multiple angles. Sure, those are good habits. But honestly that kind of thing is symposium's specialty anyway. It does show multiple perspectives on things, by presenting a dialog between multiple opposing parties. What was that term... dialectic? The truth is revealed by disagreement.

Edit: Of course, I have nothing against people telling stories that directly contradict canon. Heck, most of them do in some way or another, and I'm certainly guilty of thinking of characters in non-canon ways. I just don't like it when people try to dismiss what little canon we have as meaningless. Or worse, never read it in the first place. It's one of those "you have to know the rules before you can choose to break them" things. That's a pet peeve of mine.
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« Reply #353 on: September 24, 2012, 03:56:18 PM »
Of course they don't have the whole picture. They can't even agree with each other. But it still provides a more balanced viewpoint. And if, say, Kanako tells us why she chose Utsuho to be Yatagarasu's vessel then we suddenly have a more informed viewpoint on the matter. Is she 100% factually correct on every issue? Probably not, but no one is, not even in real life. As for Akyuu being the secretary, why would she go out of her way to include stuff that contradicts what she writes in the other sections? Not to mention the fact that there are at least 4 (5?) people who would be able to instantly call her out on it.

Basically, I'm tired of this whole "Akyuu is a lying liar so I can claim that whatever random thing I make up is just as true as the canon side materials". Yes, Akyuu is biased and often ill-informed. However, that's usually made extremely obvious in the text. That doesn't mean that everything she says is completely wrong, or that we should just completely ignore the book. People are imperfect, even historians. Question everything you hear, look at any fact from multiple angles. Sure, those are good habits. But honestly that kind of thing is symposium's specialty anyway. It does show multiple perspectives on things, by presenting a dialog between multiple opposing parties. What was that term... dialectic? The truth is revealed by disagreement.

Edit: Of course, I have nothing against people telling stories that directly contradict canon. Heck, most of them do in some way or another, and I'm certainly guilty of thinking of characters in non-canon ways. I just don't like it when people try to dismiss what little canon we have as meaningless. Or worse, never read it in the first place. It's one of those "you have to know the rules before you can choose to break them" things. That's a pet peeve of mine.
I feel like I really should thank you for saying out all that.  Right, it does get tiring and annoying when someone points to canon sources for clarification, but then other people would claim that such sources are not reliable.  They either want even better clarification or only want to believe what they think is right.

I wouldn't be surprise if ZUN confirms something outright, and people don't believe him, saying he is drunk when he said that and therefore cannot be trusted.

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« Reply #354 on: September 24, 2012, 04:03:00 PM »
I feel like I really should thank you for saying out all that.  Right, it does get tiring and annoying when someone points to canon sources for clarification, but then other people would claim that such sources are not reliable.  They either want even better clarification or only want to believe what they think is right.

I wouldn't be surprise if ZUN confirms something outright, and people don't believe him, saying he is drunk when he said that and therefore cannot be trusted.

Yeah, I really hate when people just completely dismiss Akyuu's articles, but I don't think one should take them literally; ZUN did something few people manage to do, and it's to give radically different mindsets for different races. Akyuu's point of view is that of a human, so is ours. That's why she's the one making the SOPM, and it doesn't mean it's unreliable. It means it shouldn't be considered absolute, especially when it comes to personal opinions she expresses; She doesn't lie, she just sees things differently. For example, I doubt anyone here could hold a serious conversation with Yukari for more than 5 minutes.

Then again, saying ''Byakuren said this, but Akyuu totally changed it so it's a lie.'' is incredibly wrong. Oh so very wrong.

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« Reply #355 on: September 24, 2012, 04:26:42 PM »
I like Akyuu's articles because they amuse me, she seems to have a sense of humour compatable with my own ie: her footnotes have me in stitches. I like to keep reference to her articles but I always take them with a grain of salt.
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« Reply #356 on: September 24, 2012, 05:05:37 PM »
I like Akyuu's articles because they amuse me, she seems to have a sense of humour compatable with my own ie: her footnotes have me in stitches. I like to keep reference to her articles but I always take them with a grain of salt.

Yeah, I really like Akyuu's articles too; It's a wonderful mix between interesting info, funny dialogues and a few hilarious jokes. I hope Akyuu will appear in a game someday, if only for the hilarious dialogues it'll bring.

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« Reply #357 on: September 24, 2012, 06:06:37 PM »
Alright, fine fine.

I just get sore whenever people sometimes go into YOUR TOHOS ARE BAD PEOPLE CAUSE CANON SAYS SO mode.

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« Reply #358 on: September 24, 2012, 06:17:37 PM »
TOHOS ARE BAD PEOPLE

To be fair, this alone is pretty much a true statement almost universally.  :V That's okay though, I still love them.

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« Reply #359 on: September 24, 2012, 06:51:38 PM »
TOHOS ARE BAD PEOPLE
To be fair, this alone is pretty much a true statement almost universally.

Well, considering that many of them are youkai, which have made a fearful habit out of scaring, killing and eating humans, I think someone like Akyuu may very well have every right to paint a lot of them in a negative light. The point of Perfect Memento and Symposium in ZUN's canon is to inform and warn humans as to the dangers that liter Gensoukyou from another human's perspective--and a trustworthy human at that, in the eyes of the villagers; her judgments may be biased, but looking at where she's coming from, I can understand completely~

Does that make her absolutely correct? Of course not~! In fact, there are several youkai who don't desire to hurt humans whatsoever, including some that actually wish to interact with and help humans altruistically; however, they are youkai, regardless of their deeds and will, and so, Akyuu must add them, too, and judge how potentially harmful they may or may not be~
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